Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

[The 24th Letter]

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This clip shows the ultimate issue to the problem. The defender in the right corner steps in to help. YOU DON’T DO THIS. Even Czar said help defense should come from the weakside. But it doesn’t. THAT is what needs to be fixed. It’s been an issue since the 360/PS3 days.

It's being ignored that he has a fair point tbh..I guess because he's an online player..

but I know all bets were off when Czar mentioned comp

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[Reddcheese]

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Damn I was wondering why I was scoring so easily now. Very disheartening. 2k is so smart…gives us a month of fantastic gameplay so all us simheads pay up and then patch our asses back to the dreary days of 2k21. I hope hope hope they patch in defensive settings adjustments as it seems the obvious fix to appease both warring factions.

[xCoachDx]

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It's being ignored that he has a fair point tbh..I guess because he's an online player..

but I know all bets were off when Czar mentioned comp

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I don’t get what comp has to do with anything. The rotations aren’t being implemented correctly to begin with. It’s not a play now or a comp issue, it’s a basketball issue. I don’t know how correct implementation is bad for anyone.

Is comp the MyTeam crowd I assume?

[jclazaris84]

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can it be confirmed that my park online complaints led to a change in the defensive ai that did indeed negatively affected the offline sim experience?

[kwabalicious]

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A shame they took away the help defense. I was beginning to think 2k22 was gonna be in my gaming rotation for the long haul, rather than just a game I put down when the nba games start, like it has been the last several years. It felt like every play-now game had an authentic feel and that’s not the case anymore with the reversion of the help defense.

[vannwolfhawk]

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Defensive awareness slider gets cpu better on ball awareness (not biting on as many moves) and super fast closeouts and rotations. Be careful not to put too high though as it will eliminate the extra pass for open shots out of doubles on rotations. It Doesn’t fix the bad logic but it helps on these 2 things 100%.

Just posting as I saw a few guys touch on rotations and scrambling..

[strosdood]

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When sim guys like us on OS continually make the complaint threads about the defense at launch even though it was really good…… this is inevitably what happens……the arcade guys were already saying D was to tough so when we do it too this is sadly what we get which is why I said at the beginning to leave it alone cause gameplay is really good right now


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[vannwolfhawk]

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When sim guys like us on OS continually make the complaint threads about the defense at launch even though it was really good…… this is inevitably what happens……the arcade guys were already saying D was to tough so when we do it too this is sadly what we get which is why I said at the beginning to leave it alone cause gameplay is really good right now


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The logic was good at launch. The defense was tough but not realistic. But that could be fixed in sliders so no need to complain. Except if you are an online player. The unfortunate part is bad logic can’t be fixed unless they patch it and it can ruin a game and experience. Smh

The problem is that there are so many modes with different complaints but changes made effect everyone but not everyone needs the changes that are implemented sadly.

[jclazaris84]

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i genuinely don't understand how people remain so lenient and liberal about these kind of things that happen year after year. we're given a $60 and up to something like a $100 (if you want the 'lamborghini edition') product on release day with apparently 'good', 'acceptable' and according to some even 'great' help defense. cool, that's great (seriously). with that being said, the defensive settings menu doesn't work at all, or maybe very little but that's okay (no sarcasm) because the help defense is improved this year. fine. fair trade off i suppose considering 2k's track record... gotta pick your battles with this company. BUT THEN that's taken away in a silent update and we're probably going to be left in the dark about it without an explanation. not that we're necessarily entitled to one, but you'd think we would get one considering the history of this happening... every year.

my two cents anyway, we'll see what happens.

[Smirkin Dirk]

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Go to scrimmage. Keep spamming manual pick and roll. Rarely does help come. The roller waltzes through the lane.

There may be some logic recognising I’m not actually making the pass so need to send help, but I wish I did this at launch to compare.

[vannwolfhawk]

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Question for everyone. I haven’t been able to play much since the last patch. But I do know ever since ACE was added that Vs the cpu to start a game there would never be any help and wide open drives with no help on ISO’s or PNR. But after the CPU 1st timeout help would then come as ACE made defensive changes. So my question is this happening all game long? Or are people just hopping into a game and seeing this early or playing without ACE on?

[strosdood]

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Question for everyone. I haven’t been able to play much since the last patch. But I do know ever since ACE was added that Vs the cpu to start a game there would never be any help and wide open drives with no help on ISO’s or PNR. But after the CPU 1st timeout help would then come as ACE made defensive changes. So my question is this happening all game long? Or are people just hopping into a game and seeing this early or playing without ACE on?

That’s a good question, I too haven’t played many actual games yet (mainly scrimmages) so I wonder if ACE affects the help D and other defensive adjustments


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[vannwolfhawk]

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That’s a good question, I too haven’t played many actual games yet (mainly scrimmages) so I wonder if ACE affects the help D and other defensive adjustments


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Ya, I mean it doesn’t help the user with settings not working correctly but at least the cpu could adjust properly I’m hoping?!

[AIRJ23]

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Remember when Wang said to enjoy the game and that no nerfing of defense would come at least anytime soon? Remember when they claimed in the initial patches there were no gameplay adjustments even though clearly there were? Or when they said this game would fix the defense 2K21 faltered on? Or when Czar (who I feel bad for as clearly some bean counters are screwing up his vision and work) said truly nerfing the defense wouldn’t be possible as much of it is hard structured into the gameplay?

I’d say 2K is one of the most dishonest companies I’ve ever encountered. But it seems more so that they’re just terrified of their own community. They won’t stick to their vision and culture us into formatting to their vision of the game. They cave and make the game a mess to try and appease parties shouting the loudest. And it shoots them in the foot. Because the parties who shout the loudest will go back to saying this game sucks because defense is too easy now (even though their complaints led to it becoming easy) like they did with 21.

And then sim heads who previously worshipped the game now also will say it sucks. So 2K’s back to putting out a product nobody seems happy with (even if they play it).

And worst part is, they advocate this culture of complaints leading to them bending to your will. So if you respond to their game with constant hysteria and disrespect, they’ll tell you they notice you and maybe will apply your wishes. Otherwise act cordially and respectfully (like MyNBA players) and they’ll ignore you until the one day they dedicate to your mode in the next year’s edition.

[AIRJ23]

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I tried every slider combo I can do to help the computer stop me on Pick & Roll or Iso. I put my speed down, I put the CPU speed up to 100. Everything 100: Speed, Accel, Lat Quickness, Help D Strength, Def Awareness, Def Consistency, 100 Inside and Driving Frequency slider, 100 Layup Gather and Release ... I went to the CPU Coaching Settings and set everyone to double in the post and double on any drives. I think I was onto something, but I am not sure, I got stopped a few times - it felt like the out of box game, but then other times, it was easy. Then again, I was using my team (the Nets) and James Harden and Kyrie are dominant. I will try again with an average player like Collin Sexton or D'Aaron Fox (fastest player) to see if I have the same success.

When you went into CPU coaching settings to double your players, did it at least work AT ALL? Any of the time? That’s an important factor in determining whether this game can even match 2K21. Because in 21 I was able to double my own players using the CPU settings and it did make the game feel more alive and competitive.

Question for everyone. I haven’t been able to play much since the last patch. But I do know ever since ACE was added that Vs the cpu to start a game there would never be any help and wide open drives with no help on ISO’s or PNR. But after the CPU 1st timeout help would then come as ACE made defensive changes. So my question is this happening all game long? Or are people just hopping into a game and seeing this early or playing without ACE on?

So to be sure. You’re saying that ACE (on) may be the best to get CPU to double us?