Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Well post patch the defense is much amped up.

I used to could be Duncan Robinson off the dribble with anyone. Now he will make players like Bogi, Hunter, and Huerter pick up their dribble. Also seeing more help defense on drives, and more kick out 3’s. More chase down blocks though. So the game is more similar to release imo. I think the weaker on ball defense was more realistic, but I welcome the rotations. Anyone else seeing this?

The band aids are back but I will take this 100% over where it was pre this patch! I like the more aggressive d, stabs at ball on drives, in the paint, and blocks. On ball is back but can be tweaked. They must not be able to fix the rotations this year or won’t bite on the tag man? Too bad!

But the rotations are the exact same from the games I played earlier. I’d actually say I’ve seen less rotations now actually. I used to see the rotation on the pop but now there hasn’t been any rotation and they just leave the pop open instead of scrambling. I didn’t see any sagging off anymore though either which is good and bad. Wish we had it on non shooters.

But again I’ll take this over pre patch. Games felt much better and cpu defense tougher which I’m all for. I was just hoping it would be properly fixed and they would add a tag or proper drop coverage. Maybe it’s still in the works but I’m not holding my breath. Overall much better patch though. Almost back to day 1…

[jrose57]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Yeah I posted an example of Luka being doubled in the post and then again on the perimeter about a month ago.

Bam got doubled in the 4th last night as the cpu continuously left him open as the role man in the pnr so no fixed there.

I think on average the help in the pnr works maybe 12% of the time.

Other then that I can routinely blow by defenders in iso now too (for the record, I was able to at launch but the help would force me into a situation of pass? Mid range? Floater?)

Now it's just a routine straight line drive to the basket.

I'm yawning my way to victory on HOF. This isn't the way.

Anyone knows if next gen PNR has been fixed in the patch pls?

[vannwolfhawk]

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Anyone knows if next gen PNR has been fixed in the patch pls?

It’s basically how it was at launch but without help on the roll. Tougher on ball d, steals, and blocks like at launch. But rotation logic is the same with no changes. Not sure about d settings. I did test help d sliders and saw no difference at stock, 100, 0, 99, or 1. But it’s definitely better than it was pre patch IMO.

[el jimmy]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

It’s basically how it was at launch but without help on the roll. Tougher on ball d, steals, and blocks like at launch. But rotation logic is the same with no changes. Not sure about d settings. I did test help d sliders and saw no difference at stock, 100, 0, 99, or 1. But it’s definitely better than it was pre patch IMO.

I feel like I'm going insane. I played three games last night one with the heat, one with the kings and one with the hornets.

Didn't notice any difference and could constantly get to the paint with the pnr.

(This is especially bad with the hornets because with Melo, rozier and ish are all speedy guards )

Is it my timezone? Because I downloaded the update last night and saw no changes 😐

[mascherano222]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I feel like I'm going insane. I played three games last night one with the heat, one with the kings and one with the hornets.



Didn't notice any difference and could constantly get to the paint with the pnr.



(This is especially bad with the hornets because with Melo, rozier and ish are all speedy guards )



Is it my timezone? Because I downloaded the update last night and saw no changes [emoji52]

I didn't notice anything different either.

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[AIRJ23]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

No difference here. If anything the defense felt a bit easier for me.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I feel like I'm going insane. I played three games last night one with the heat, one with the kings and one with the hornets.

Didn't notice any difference and could constantly get to the paint with the pnr.

(This is especially bad with the hornets because with Melo, rozier and ish are all speedy guards )

Is it my timezone? Because I downloaded the update last night and saw no changes 😐

I didn't notice anything different either.

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No difference here. If anything the defense felt a bit easier for me.

No, I didn’t mean PNR was better. It’s still bad and rotations or lack there of are bad. I was just saying defense in general was toned up which is better. I had like 4-5 straight rolls to Ayton with no rotations at all. PNR gate is still strong and alive. Lol

[Becanes]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

There is a difference like I said earlier. It's close to launch defense.

[el jimmy]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I feel like they are concentrating on the wrong area of defence though. The iso seems tougher again but the help is more or less non existent.

I played with the warriors just now and the amount of wide open layups I got with curry because the defender stayed glued to draymond in the corner (not a good 3 point shooter) while I drove into the paint was stupid.

On that note I had 30 with curry going INTO the 4th and didn't see any doubles.

This game is like a Rubik's cube inside a riddle, I've got no idea what's going on inside it.

#pnrgate

[jeebs9]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I feel like they are concentrating on the wrong area of defence though. The iso seems tougher again but the help is more or less non existent.



I played with the warriors just now and the amount of wide open layups I got with curry because the defender stayed glued to draymond in the corner (not a good 3 point shooter) while I drove into the paint was stupid.



On that note I had 30 with curry going INTO the 4th and didn't see any doubles.



This game is like a Rubik's cube inside a riddle, I've got no idea what's going on inside it.



#pnrgate

Yeah it's the bad logic of the rotations that kill me inside. I watched as I kicked it out to my center in the corner with Luka to WCS wide open. I think he's 3 rating is 60's. RJ Barrett leaves Reggie Bullock to contest him like I was Klay Thompson. I just swing the ball to Reggie for a wide open 3.

It even happen to me a few plays later. It's literally punches to my gut when I see this kind of ****. My opponent and I can't control our defense from doing dumb ****. That's sad

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I feel like they are concentrating on the wrong area of defence though. The iso seems tougher again but the help is more or less non existent.

I played with the warriors just now and the amount of wide open layups I got with curry because the defender stayed glued to draymond in the corner (not a good 3 point shooter) while I drove into the paint was stupid.

On that note I had 30 with curry going INTO the 4th and didn't see any doubles.

This game is like a Rubik's cube inside a riddle, I've got no idea what's going on inside it.

#pnrgate

Do you play with stock rosters and sliders?

I have a highly edited cpu AI defense, lateral quickness, perimeter defense, help d IQ, plus sliders tweaked up for cpu in d awareness so for me it’s probably way better. But again the help d slider in coach settings seems to do nothing as I’ve tested all ranges as well as stock. The help defense is just coded in.

But I could immediately tell they tweaked on ball, steals, and blocks back to launch slots as well as some stunting and swiping more at ball on drives and while in the paint. That I did like. Again, they just reverted back to their band aid fixes at launch. But like I said I’ll take it compared to where it was pre patch. Although still issues that probably won’t be addressed til 23 sadly.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Man, I watched like 8 games last night (had 4 on all at same time) and tons of great defense and rotations on all games, but specifically 1 that stood out and that I was watching was the Blazers Kings game. I wish 2k would watch the Kings defense in that game. Tags everywhere, rotations everywhere, scrambling! It was great team defense for game 1 of the season! The Blazers had to short roll the pnr and after the pocket short roll pass they had to swing and make the extra pass it to either corner or wing to get an open shot with the kings chasing off the line in a scramble. It was textbook of how to play both defensively and offensively.

[VictorMG]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Do you play with stock rosters and sliders?

I have a highly edited cpu AI defense, lateral quickness, perimeter defense, help d IQ, plus sliders tweaked up for cpu in d awareness so for me it’s probably way better. But again the help d slider in coach settings seems to do nothing as I’ve tested all ranges as well as stock. The help defense is just coded in.

But I could immediately tell they tweaked on ball, steals, and blocks back to launch slots as well as some stunting and swiping more at ball on drives and while in the paint. That I did like. Again, they just reverted back to their band aid fixes at launch. But like I said I’ll take it compared to where it was pre patch. Although still issues that probably won’t be addressed til 23 sadly.

I used your roster for a quarter against the Warriors. I didn't notice a lot of help until Iguodala came in the game. He made me pass out of a Westbrook layup off the pick-and-roll while guarding LeBron in the corner. I don't know if that was because of your edit or something in the patch, but I guess it's something.

I'd have thought Draymond would have similar defensive ratings though, so why he never helped in the quarter I played, I'm not sure.

[stillfeelme]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Vann,

Can you send a link to your roster and sliders XBox next gen?

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I used your roster for a quarter against the Warriors. I didn't notice a lot of help until Iguodala came in the game. He made me pass out of a Westbrook layup off the pick-and-roll while guarding LeBron in the corner. I don't know if that was because of your edit or something in the patch, but I guess it's something.

I'd have thought Draymond would have similar defensive ratings though, so why he never helped in the quarter I played, I'm not sure.

Ya I think it’s hard coded. I was saying more on ball with my roster is significantly higher. I tried all players at 99 help d iq as a test and there was no difference. Has to be hard coded. Because of where I put sliders for more freedom of movement I had to up the cpu AI on ball d higher with higher lateral quickness ratings as well. But my sliders still allow small ball even with overall higher on ball d. But as far as help d it’s hard coded in. No editing or sliders will change how they rotate from my testing and tweaking. Hence the band aids is the best they and we can do at the moment IMO.