It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

[ggsimmonds]

I disagree that rookies come in rated too high. I certainly would not argue if 2k decides to lower the rookie scale, but I do not think it is the primary culprit.

It is potential. Without spending too much time with the game, it is my guess that there are too many players with good potential.

Having said that, I do believe that the highest rated rookies should typically fall between 74-78, not above 80. There should be a few exceptions, (Lebron and KD come to mind) but any one draft class should not contain numerous guys rated 78+

Lower potential and make more of the 2nd round guys be complete busts.

And on a related note, I did notice that just because a player had 91 potential did not guarantee that he would develop into a 91 player. I am unsure of the parameters involved, but is this still the case? Or do players always reach their potential?

[Jukeman]

Quote: Originally Posted by Freak123

Only thing wrong with it to me is the trading logic. Why is DeMarcus Cousins rated 5 stars in trade value while players like Andre Igoudala and Stephen Curry are rated 4 and a half stars? Cousins has a B in potential and is only rated a 70, yet he is impossible to trade for. It is much easier to trade for Stephen Curry (who is rated an 80 with A+ potential) or Andre Igoudala (who is rated an 80 with a B+ potential). That makes no sense to me. And also some teams seem to make trades that don't exactly fit into the roster they currently have. It seems to be just like last year when it comes to trade logic unfortunately, which is a bummer. At least my Miami Heat (the team I currently play with in an Association) won't need to make many trades.

I wanna quote the bolded part...

This right here tells us something important and may be the reason why people are seeing lack of trades and FA signings

If they value a rookie rated this way (which basically what everyone in a generate draft class looks like) the draft class may be the problem, its worth testing out

In my draft classes in 2k10 a 70 rated player would be a top 5 pick...

2k's draft class, a 70 is low first rounder...

[ggsimmonds]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jukeman

and the thing is, there are multiple rookies coming in as 77... Im not even going to talk about John Wall's 81...I mean if Jordan is a 79 I think no player should be higher than that...

That is not really the problem per se. As far as measuring a players worth we should know that overall is not the perfect representation of that worth. What I meant to say is I don't have a problem with Wall's rating compared to Jordan's when I am pretty sure I could do more with Jordan.

I think a pg will always have a skewed overall because of the awareness rating. Maybe 2k needs to change the way overall is calculated.

However, that does not mean that every draft class's best player should be
rated in the low 80's. That should be exceedingly rare.

[TooTall]

Yeah, going in and editing the rookie classes, some rookies were coming in as high as 85. I lowered the potential for just a few years but didn't really see a difference. It was a quick test though. Didn't end up conclusive either way.

Although it would suck to manually change the rookie classes, if that ends up being the problem, I'll just man up and fix it.

A patch would be much more preferable of course.

[Jukeman]

Quote: Originally Posted by ggsimmonds

That is not really the problem per se. As far as measuring a players worth we should know that overall is not the perfect representation of that worth. What I meant to say is I don't have a problem with Wall's rating compared to Jordan's when I am pretty sure I could do more with Jordan. I think a pg will always have a skewed overall because of the awareness rating. Maybe 2k needs to change the way overall is calculated. However, that does not mean that every draft class's best player should be rated in the low 80's. That should be exceedingly rare.

If you look at Walls attributes, it vastly overrated....a 79 Jordan is base off of ATH...His skills wasnt overrated like Evan turner and John Wall's.

[ggsimmonds]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jukeman

I wanna quote the bolded part... This right here tells us something important and may be the reason why people are seeing lack of trades and FA signings If they value a rookie rated this way (which basically what everyone in a generate draft class looks like) the draft class may be the problem, its worth testing out

I think this is due to the AI placing a worth bonus on rookies. However the formula for trade value is designed, there is probably a variable for rookies. Like a multiplier or something. Something under the hood that discourages the AI from trading their rookies.

Here is a possible test. Attempt to offer numerous (fair) trades in exchange for a rookie. You don't want them to accept, that is key. Then sim to the next year and make the same trades. My guess is that in year 2 the same trade they declined the previous year they will now accept.

It may be easier to do it in reverse. Have 2 save files. Sim to season 2, make for Cousins. Load season 1 file attempt same trade. check results.

[statum71]

I started a quick Association and the home teams seem to be winning by blowouts nearly every game.

Hope it gets fixed. Still love the game though.

[Primerica]

Quote: Originally Posted by ggsimmonds

That is not really the problem per se. As far as measuring a players worth we should know that overall is not the perfect representation of that worth. What I meant to say is I don't have a problem with Wall's rating compared to Jordan's when I am pretty sure I could do more with Jordan. I think a pg will always have a skewed overall because of the awareness rating. Maybe 2k needs to change the way overall is calculated. However, that does not mean that every draft class's best player should be rated in the low 80's. That should be exceedingly rare.

Melo was a 81 in NBA 2k4. I hate crying threads. The only issue I see is the playoff sim. That's it and it's still better than last year where bum make the playoffs like the the 76ers and the Lakers with healthy Kobe miss it.