Something that I really want to see in Madden 12.

[kjcheezhead]

Quote: Originally Posted by TNT713

Sad to see this... It reminds me of when I still lived in NC and saw people flying the flag of the confederate states ,that only lasted 4 years, 150 years after they lost the Civil War. SMH... 2K lost the war. Why are we still flying the flag? Later

There are just some things 2k did better (and some things they did worse). The 4 topics being covered by the op are just a few examples of things EA doesn't do as well as it's competition once did. If you stopped flying the EA flag long enough to try another football game, you might find a few things you would like EA to incorporate.

Here is great one--the defensive audible system. As someone who enjoys the competition and strategy of head to head games, I think you would love APFs controls. Here is a video created by maddensimplayers.com describing it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFGwKm4eU6Y

[Lexicon]

This thread isn't about bringing 2K back, it's about the things that Madden continues to screw up, and 2K just happens to be the example of how not to screw those things up.

[trent11189]

Quote: Originally Posted by TNT713

Whenever I hear people say the LB or DB has superman leaps - it's ALWAYS because they didn't throw properly. Defenders in Madden don't really jump that high. But tons of Madden players throw too low by pressing the button too hard in panic situations - especially when flushed out of the pocket. In real football players that can't make those plays are said to lack poise. In Madden it's called an AI defect. SMH. Later

he's right you know. In the NAtional Football Leaugue, the truely poised athletes can not only jump straight into the air, but also hover horizontally or diagonally at the same time. Not only that, but I've seen champ baily jump and swat with his left hand, then, without ever coming down, jump again to swat with his right.

Poise.... ALWAYS.

[red-and-gold]

Quote: Originally Posted by Lexicon

This thread isn't about bringing 2K back, it's about the things that Madden continues to screw up, and 2K just happens to be the example of how not to screw those things up.

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[TNT713]

Quote: Originally Posted by trent11189

he's right you know. In the NAtional Football Leaugue, the truely poised athletes can not only jump straight into the air, but also hover horizontally or diagonally at the same time. Not only that, but I've seen champ baily jump and swat with his left hand, then, without ever coming down, jump again to swat with his right. Poise.... ALWAYS.

20 years of Madden. 8 years playing 12 months a year. And I have yet to see anything remotely resembling what you just mentioned in a Madden game.

I've seen players merge into the ground, merge together, freeze in place, speed burst faster than they can sprint, start plays from out of bounds without penalty, run through walls, and a host of other kooky items...

But NEVER have I seen any player defy gravity. This includes Madden 2000 where there were codes that made players jump 50 yards in the air and electrified sidelines...

NEVER... in 20 years. Not saying I've seen everything wrong with Madden, but you would think that someone that plays Madden primarily for almost a decade would at least know what you're referring to.

Got any film to say show us what you mean? I'd really love to see that.

Later

[Lexicon]

Here are just a few of the problems EA has with their coverage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaEhfa_7QOQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5R7qxUDacU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ey6MNiiEwo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqjb6ldmv3g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-3pDeZH0bM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j07NA33mJ-k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhC1xNiTfU0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6fFWJ3wGMo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5J879KGv1c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXg5M2gTXNM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioNyl7l6P7E
Watch on this one how the CB just turns around without looking back to see if the QB actually threw the ball: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpg92kEC1JU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DyDS...el_video_title

Players sliding or transporting to the ball. The ball going through receivers bodies. Jumping routes without knowing the QB even threw the ball. Balls being deflected by invisible limbs. EA's fundamentals are broken. How you've been playing Madden for that long and haven't noticed these things is questionable.

[trent11189]

No I don't have any way of posting videos atm. But if you're honestly gonna tell me that you've played madden for a week, let alone 20 years and never seen a defender slide/hover/warp/teleport to a spot to make a pick or deflection, then I'm gonna call you a liar.

now the double jump I was referring to is an animation that happens when throwing fade routes. the db will jump in the air with one arm extended trying to tip the ball, then the reciever catches the ball, then the db jumps again and tries to knock the ball out with the other arm. now if you go to practice mode on m11 and throw fade routes for 10 mins or so I guarantee you'll see it.

Quote: Originally Posted by TNT713

20 years of Madden. 8 years playing 12 months a year. And I have yet to see anything remotely resembling what you just mentioned in a Madden game. I've seen players merge into the ground, merge together, freeze in place, speed burst faster than they can sprint, start plays from out of bounds without penalty, run through walls, and a host of other kooky items... But NEVER have I seen any player defy gravity. This includes Madden 2000 where there were codes that made players jump 50 yards in the air and electrified sidelines... NEVER... in 20 years. Not saying I've seen everything wrong with Madden, but you would think that someone that plays Madden primarily for almost a decade would at least know what you're referring to. Got any film to say show us what you mean? I'd really love to see that. Later

[TNT713]

Quote: Originally Posted by RazzBerry80

We are not going to turn this thread into a 2k vs Madden war. The point of this thread, and why many people still "fly the 2k flag" is because there are alot of elements of 2k football that would improve the quality of Madden. And thats all any of us want. The best quality football game possible.

No doubt. We don't need it to be a game war. The games are both great in their own right - Each has it's strengths and weaknesses. I'm very familiar with Madden's weaknesses, but not so with APF. Since I don't play, I don't get nearly the exposure I'd need to point out it's issues.

I have to state for the record:

For anyone that wants to learn to use the Route Based mechanic in Madden - I'll do whatever I can to show you how. I'm intimately familiar with simulating real football mechanics using the stick and buttons in the Madden environment.

For anyone that wants to compare the two games Route Based mechanics - I'm not the guy to talk to. I have no clue as to the first thing about playing APF/2K.

This particular issue - Route Based Passing - is one that is near and dear to my heart. I often see fans of APF discussing Route Based mechanics as if they don't exist in Madden. My point to responding to the OP wasn't to make this a comparison thread - it was to present the idea that a Route Based Mechanic does exist in Madden.

I'll have to assume that the implementation is different on the games, but it exists on both. By the nature of the assertion, it leads to a comparison of the two mechanics.

I'll end by saying that a Route Based mechanic exist in Madden - but it is different than how they exist in APF (according to my APF sources...lol).

Later