MLB Off-Topic

[kehlis]

Quote: Originally Posted by Blzer

Yup. I always described it as a complete game where no one reaches base on a hit, walk, or error (within this I'm including hit batsmen and drop-third strikes... catcher's obstruction is an error, by the way). I can't say 27 up and 27 down, because there are too many holes in that. What if there are pick-offs, caught stealing's, double plays, and hits that players attempted to stretch extra bases with? What if the game goes into extra innings? Easier to say the other. Speaking of which, I'd like to know if it's a perfect game if a batter reaches base on a drop-third strike, and on that exact same play he attempts to make it to second base and is thrown out. I am guessing that it's not. Anyway, in the scorebook, you're supposed to refer to foul instances with a preceding F. So if a catcher snags a foul fly, you would write FF2. If he commits an error, in the corner you would write FE2. This way it is still an error in the box score and should he reach base this would be an unearned run credited to the pitcher. It would still be a perfect game if they get him out, though.

You're really over complicating it.

A perfect game means no one reached base.


It is as simple as 27 up, 27 down. If someone reaches base, it's not a perfect game. You're confusing a perfect game with a no hitter.

Also, no, if a batter is thrown out at second trying to stretch a single into a double, the perfect game is gone because he got a single.

If a batter reaches first on a passed ball, third strike, no perfect game.

And no. No perfect game could ever include an unearned run, literally is not even possible.

[l3ulvl]

Quote: Originally Posted by kehlis

You're really over complicating it.

Blzer, put this in your sig lol, it should be a prerequisite but sig is the best we have

[Blzer]

Quote: Originally Posted by kehlis

You're really over complicating it. A perfect game means no one reached base. It is as simple as 27 up, 27 down. If someone reaches base, it's not a perfect game. You're confusing a perfect game with a no hitter. Also, no, if a batter is thrown out at second trying to stretch a single into a double, the perfect game is gone because he got a single. If a batter reaches first on a passed ball, third strike, no perfect game. And no. No perfect game could ever include an unearned run, literally is not even possible.

I don't know how this post has anything to do with what I said. Read my post again.

If a pitcher faces the minimum of 27 hitters, he could have literally given up 27 hits in the process. So no, I can't say "27 up, 27 down." People would describe a scenario where somebody hits a double and is thrown out trying to stretch the hit into a triple as a part of a "three up, three down" inning. If you don't believe that to be the case, then I guess I see where the line is drawn here, and that's why there is confusion.

I know what a perfect game and no-hitter are. I differentiate between the two on here all of the time. I've never been confused between the two.

Quote: Originally Posted by Jr.

There's no error when a ball drops in between guys

Mental errors do not appear in the scorebook.

Nobody on, ground ball to short, shortstop throws to third base... base hit. Not a throwing error. Not a fielder's choice.

We can't presume that we know what the fielder was thinking at the time of the play to cause the physical action that occurred. The best physicality that we can look at is how a play best matches what is intended to be made, and how much "ordinary effort" was involved within the play itself.

[Redacted01]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jr.

There's no error when a ball drops in between guys

Which is why errors are dumb, as plain as you can put it. If the catcher flubs an easy pop up behind home plate and the next pitch is sent over the outfield fence, it's hard not to blame the catcher. But between two players, now we get into scorer's interpretation which makes the stat as dumb as it is. We are really going to leave it up to interpretation when something goes wrong? Thankfully sabermetric defensive stats are catching up, but I don't pay enough attention any more.

At least in basketball, an assist is pretty well-defined, but you still have official scorer bias when you see higher assist rates at home than on the road. As someone that is very logical and mathematical, open-ended interpreted stats grind my gears. Wait, that's another thread.

[Sportsforever]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jr.

There's no error when a ball drops in between guys

True (I'll get to that in a minute), but what we're talking about here is a guy settling under a foul pop and completely flubbing/dropping it. That's an error...always has been, always should be.

Now, as for pop ups that drop due to miscommunication, etc, I've always felt there should be a TEAM error category. It resulted from multiple people not doing their jobs, so mark it down as a team error instead of an individual error. Baseball hasn't been doing it since day 1, so it won't change, but that's what I'd do in those cases.

[kehlis]

Quote: Originally Posted by Blzer

I don't know how this post has anything to do with what I said. Read my post again. If a pitcher faces the minimum of 27 hitters, he could have literally given up 27 hits in the process. So no, I can't say "27 up, 27 down." People would describe a scenario where somebody hits a double and is thrown out trying to stretch the hit into a triple as a part of a "three up, three down" inning. If you don't believe that to be the case, then I guess I see where the line is drawn here, and that's why there is confusion. I know what a perfect game and no-hitter are. I differentiate between the two on here all of the time. I've never been confused between the two.

How about this then,

A perfect game is a complete game where no batter reaches base via base hit, walk or error.

The rare feat of facing the minimum, is a pitcher facing 27 batters in a 9 inning outing regardless of the outcome of the at bat.

[Blzer]

Quote: Originally Posted by kehlis

How about this then, A perfect game is a complete game where no batter reaches base via base hit, walk or error. The rare feat of facing the minimum, is a pitcher facing 27 batters in a 9 inning outing regardless of the outcome of the at bat.

I don't disagree at all. In fact, I wrote that exactly.

Quote: Originally Posted by Blzer

I always described it as a complete game where no one reaches base on a hit, walk, or error.

I just felt that "27 up, 27 down" more so meant "facing the minimum."

[Jr.]

Sam Dyson going to be DFA'd. Apparently some teams have shown interested so he's likely to be traded.

What a fall this guy had from the WBC to today.