Randy Moss. Hall of Famer?

[Cebby]

Quote: Originally Posted by ZB9

Hayes being the first great deep threat and helping spurn the evolution of the vertical passing game is over your head I guess. You clearly need to educate yourself on the history of the NFL.

So you seriously believe that if not for Hayes, nobody would have ever thought about sending a 6-4 athletic monster deep?

It's not like he discovered a new theory of quantum physics. I think that at some point, some offensive coach would have connected that a big, fast, athletic WR could probably do some damage running down the field.

[DTX3]

Talk about being a homer.

[Freelance]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dice

Don't assume anything. Everybody assumed that Chris Carter would be in the HOF by now and he's still waiting. Yes, he'll get in eventaully but why is the guy who is the third all-time leader in receptions is still waiting? Look how long it took Art Monk to get in? Look how long it took Bob Hayes to get in? Yeah, looking at his number they're ok. BUT remember he played in an era where not a lot of teams were airing it out like football has been doing the past 15-20 years. After some years people assumed that Hayes would never get in BUT I'm glad the voters came to their senses and discovered that he put up some big numbers in an era where passing wasn't the trend.

Carter and Hayes had drug issues, and Carter was highly disliked early in his career by the media. Hayes struggled because his numbers were from a different era that didn't translate well to today. It's stupid he had to wait so long though.

Monk never did anything "memorable". He was steady Freddy, but he doesn't have signature catches or games that make him stand out as a cut above.

Moss is one-of-a-kind, and he's made some incredible plays and had some signature games.

[ZB9]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cebby

So you seriously believe that if not for Hayes, nobody would have ever thought about sending a 6-4 athletic monster deep? It's not like he discovered a new theory of quantum physics. I think that at some point, some offensive coach would have connected that a big, fast, athletic WR could probably do some damage running down the field.

no we are not talking about QP, we are talking about deep threats in the NFL. Hayes was the first great one. He was a "pioneer" if you will when it comes to deep threat wide recievers. Hayes has evolved into players like Randy Moss

Hayes is to Randy Moss as Sammy Baugh is to Dan Marino

Anyway, im done trying to explain it to you. If you dont get it, then that is your problem. I dont care. Maybe if you are ever in Canton, you can read Hayes' bio and it will educate you on how he helped change the game.

[Cebby]

Quote: Originally Posted by ZB9

no we are not talking about QP, we are talking about deep threats in the NFL. Hayes was the first great one. He was a "pioneer" if you will when it comes to deep threat wide recievers. Hayes has evolved into players like Randy Moss Hayes is to Randy Moss as Sammy Baugh is to Dan Marino Anyway, im done trying to explain it to you. If you dont get it, then that is your problem. I dont care. Maybe if you are ever in Canton, you can read Hayes' bio and it will educate you on how he helped change the game.

I'm not saying Hayes wasn't a "pioneer" of running down the field.

My issue is with your nonsense that "there might not even be a Moss if not for Hayes and players of his ilk that came after him."

It's just a stupid statement and implies that football coaches are so stupid that they can't connect tall, fast, dominant WR with running down the field.

Much like Chris Ford's 3 pointer, it may have been the first but I don't think that would have restricted anyone else from doing it later had he not have "pioneered" running down the field.

[trobinson97]

Um...yes?

[Dice]

Quote: Originally Posted by Freelance

Monk never did anything "memorable".

???

Didn't he break Steve Largent's record for all-time leader in receptions in 1992 against the Jets? My thinking is breaking an all-time career record to me is very memorable.

[Nivek]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dice

??? Didn't he break Steve Largent's record for all-time leader in receptions in 1992 against the Jets? My thinking is breaking an all-time career record to me is very memorable.

Only if you remember it....and most people don't.