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[ntndeacon]

All I have is hunches, I don't have any cool seer power to scan suspects with, otherwise I would have scanned ntn long ago. So far though, not one person who has turned up bad has placed a serious vote on ntn, and in fact voted strong for other people to keep him alive.

Ntn has had amazingly long shelf life for someone that hasn't been cleared. People can say i am a crappy WW player if they want, its fine.. but I still have my reasons. :)

I think it is pretty clear that I would have been finished two days ago if not for the catching of two bad guys back to back. I won't feel quite as bad if I do die tomorrow as I don't think we are as close to the bad guys winning as we were earlier.(not that iwon't fight death though :) )

[spleen1015]

Just because you put a smilie behind your sentences doesn't mean that people will believe you are happy when you say them. I have been insulted in by spleen in every game we have played together, dont take it personally.

...Isn't it past time? Anxiety was just here.

:rolleyes:

[Alan T]

I think it is pretty clear that I would have been finished two days ago if not for the catching of two bad guys back to back. I won't feel quite as bad if I do die tomorrow as I don't think we are as close to the bad guys winning as we were earlier.(not that iwon't fight death though :) )

Hate to say it, but you're the only non-seer non-"cleared" person left in the game. So without anyone clearing you, you're going to get alot of attention.

Maybe if someone clears you tonight it will change your fortune.

[DaddyTorgo]

Well that was a few days ago, my trust changes daily on things. I can give you my current distrust and unknowns if you want.

Distrust: Ntndeacon

Unknowns: Mr.Wednesday, DaddyTorgo

Dueling banjos err seers: Thomkal, Lonestargirl.

I assume 1 of the 2 seers is bad if not both, I assume at least 1 if not both of the unknowns is bad, however Swaggs did speak on Mr.W's behalf but we could not figure out if it meant for sure Mr.W was good or just not on Thomkal's team. And I assume ntndeacon is bad.

Anyone else not listed here I'm not really worried about right now.

unknown? ouch. i'm good...villager through and through. My name is Ventrick and I'm a simple homeless inhabitant of Bree. That might raise an eyebrow it's true. But it gives me the ability to have a die-roll's chance of avoiding attack by evil (not a great chance, but a little one). Izulde dropped the hints before when i was wavering on him, he'll confirm that. And Swaggs did get me to swear my allegience to the light. And if the dueling seers want to scan me they'll find me light. I have not an ounce of darkness in me, despite being homeless, thanks to the good people of Bree who take care of me and who i watch out for in return.

[Tyrith]

This is what happens when I quit posting, it seems :P

I don't think we know who the best target is for tomorrow until after both of the "seers" have reported in. In fact, I'd ask that we don't actually start voting until after them tell us who they scanned...and if Thomkal doesn't want to cooperate, we kill him, it's not like we don't already have evidence against him.

[ntndeacon]

Oh completely forgot about Tyrith. boy he fell under the radar fast. Well Thomkal "cleared" Tyrith today, but i would put him in the category with Mr.W who also was "cleared" by thomkal.

Jon was cleared by lots of people, I think he is ok. Gramm I'm ok with too

I remember that about Jon too, but cannot remember who cleared Jon. (I think he is ok too though even if he is voting for me too much lol )

[Alan T]

unknown? ouch. i'm good...villager through and through. My name is Ventrick and I'm a simple homeless inhabitant of Bree. That might raise an eyebrow it's true. But it gives me the ability to have a die-roll's chance of avoiding attack by evil (not a great chance, but a little one). Izulde dropped the hints before when i was wavering on him, he'll confirm that. And Swaggs did get me to swear my allegience to the light. And if the dueling seers want to scan me they'll find me light. I have not an ounce of darkness in me, despite being homeless, thanks to the good people of Bree who take care of me and who i watch out for in return.

Yes, yes, we know you are a homeless bum named Ventrick, I have known this for days. it still doesn't tell us anything about you being good or bad, and if a stable boy can be bad, I assume a homeless man can as well.

Swaggs also never scanned your of the light comment as he stated in the thread, so not sure why that matters any. That said though, I still have other targets higher in priority than you, even if you felt the need to do a role reveal right now even when not threatened and even though your role reveal sounds to be almost exactly like SPleen's was.. but who's counting?

[LoneStarGirl]

I am curious to see who thomkal 'scans' tonight

[LoneStarGirl]

Anyway, a bad lighting storm is coming to little rock, my computer is being shut off for awhile. I sent my night action in, see y'all in the morning

[Alan T]

I remember that about Jon too, but cannot remember who cleared Jon. (I think he is ok too though even if he is voting for me too much lol )

Thomkal "Cleared" Jonathan, Swaggs "cleared" jonathan and Izulde "cleared" Jonathan.

Is it possible he's bad? perhaps but you have 2 good guys and 1 unknown clearing him is enough for me to not pay attention to him just yet.

[ntndeacon]

Hate to say it, but you're the only non-seer non-"cleared" person left in the game. So without anyone clearing you, you're going to get alot of attention.

Maybe if someone clears you tonight it will change your fortune.

Oh I understand why iam getting attention. My point was that my 'shelf life" has been this long solely because we started seeing bad guys and executing them.

[Alan T]

Anyway, a bad lighting storm is coming to little rock, my computer is being shut off for awhile. I sent my night action in, see y'all in the morning

I'm going to head to bed too. Got to get up at 5am for a network change out. Should be on my normal time in the morning though to make people upset and all angsty about me!

[Schmidty]

Yes, yes, we know you are a homeless bum named Ventrick, I have known this for days. it still doesn't tell us anything about you being good or bad, and if a stable boy can be bad, I assume a homeless man can as well.

Swaggs also never scanned your of the light comment as he stated in the thread, so not sure why that matters any. That said though, I still have other targets higher in priority than you, even if you felt the need to do a role reveal right now even when not threatened and even though your role reveal sounds to be almost exactly like SPleen's was.. but who's counting?

You're throwing out a lot of half-veiled and "hunch"-driven accusations tonight.

You make me nervous, good or bad.

[DaddyTorgo]

Yes, yes, we know you are a homeless bum named Ventrick, I have known this for days. it still doesn't tell us anything about you being good or bad, and if a stable boy can be bad, I assume a homeless man can as well.

Swaggs also never scanned your of the light comment as he stated in the thread, so not sure why that matters any. That said though, I still have other targets higher in priority than you, even if you felt the need to do a role reveal right now even when not threatened and even though your role reveal sounds to be almost exactly like SPleen's was.. but who's counting?


my role is my role. i can't help that it "sounds almost exactly like spleen's." *shrug* with such a small chance of evading evil is it really that odd there might be a couple that way? especially with all the evil+neutral people in the game who could be converted and swell their numbers. well i've wanted to get my role out there for all to see for a while, and i don't like being on anyone's shortlist of distrust when i know i'm good. must just be my nature.

pssst...in my mind i'm not "a bum." i'm a guy who's had a run of bad luck in the trading business, or the farming business.

[Schmidty]

Oh, and :)

[DaddyTorgo]

let the seers scan me...i have nothing to hide. do i fear an evil one calling me evil in order to frame me up, sure. that'd just mean i'd have work to do to save my neck though, that's all.

but as you said, i'm low-priority for a scan now anyways

[ntndeacon]

Thomkal "Cleared" Jonathan, Swaggs "cleared" jonathan and Izulde "cleared" Jonathan.

Is it possible he's bad? perhaps but you have 2 good guys and 1 unknown clearing him is enough for me to not pay attention to him just yet.

I agree. it was a memory thing not a suspect him thing.

Of course the Swaggs clearing means the most to me right now, since Izulde's can only see occupation. (I think) and Thomkal I believe to be bad, so grain of salt there.

[Schmidty]

Any last pleas for who I should protect?

I am bad at this game and I need help.

[Schmidty]

Any advice, Guest?

[Schmidty]

Ah well, goodnight.

[st.cronin]

I'm bringing sexy back. Those other boys don't know how to act.

[Grammaticus]

I'm bringing sexy back. Those other boys don't know how to act.

This is not the alternative hairy guys lifestyle thread. I guess the werewolf title threw you. You need to look elsewhere for that.

Oh and from Anxiety, watch your language.

[st.cronin]

Sorry, but if I have that song going through my head, then the rest of you have to suffer as well.

[Lorena]

Any advice, Guest?

*sigh*

I have a confession to make... I am indeed the "mysterious guest" that hangs around the thread for most of the day. I get too darn lazy, keep the tab up and F5 to see if there's any new info.

Anyway, same deal with AIM so if ya'll IM me and I don't respond, I'm not ignoring you on purpose. Unless you're LSG then I'm doing it on purpose :p

[Abe Sargent]

I have all of the night actions in and have processed them but I obviously await the 3:30 deadline. In the meantime, I have written tonight's information, and I have to say that I sent chills down my spine with it. I hope you enjoy reading it as much as I did writing it.

-Anxiety

[Lorena]

I have all of the night actions in and have processed them but I obviously await the 3:30 deadline. In the meantime, I have written tonight's information, and I have to say that I sent chills down my spine with it. I hope you enjoy reading it as much as I did writing it.

-Anxiety

I'm definitely enjoying it from the other side! I can hardly wait to see the write-up Anxiety :)

[Abe Sargent]

How many nights have been like this? The tortured war of emotions continues. Under the shade of nightfall escape servants like shame, grief, despair and sorrow. The sun obliterates them in the morning, replacing them with resolve and hope. However, for now, you cannot afford the luxury of hope.

Nightfall washes all hearts and souls with the same black taint. Townsfolk, Rangers, and Agents of Darkness alike are touched by the strands of night. Its tendrils creep into the very core of your being.

As night continues, your rest is fitful. You roll over and over, trying to find a position comfortable enough to make you forget the events that have shaped your town since the night Mr. Underhill arrived and brought the Riders in his wake.

In a moment of night-inspired weakness, you curse Mr. Underhill and all of those associated with him. Your town would not have suffered such a calamity without him.

You know that is not true, obviously. You have discovered a rot in your village that goes beyond the Black Riders – one that was already there. Your mind knows this to be true, but during the nighttime, your soul wanders elsewhere, to lands unspeakable.

Dawn cannot come soon enough. When it arrives, it brings more news of the macabre. As is largely routine, another body is found stabbed to death, this time left for dead out on the streets. Revlir Hightower has been found dead. Although burial procedures were being made ready for him, his friends ask for a funereal pyre instead.

You find out that Revlir was one of them Ranger folk. You had rumors they were about, but since you had seen no evidence during this extended trial, you began to think that maybe you were on your own here. That appears to not be the case, however.

You quickly assemble the pyre from local wood and send Revlir’s soul to Eru Iluvatar. With that grim work done, you begin a new day, although the haze from the smoke and the fog from the Barrow Downs tints not only the light from the Sun but also diminishes any healing effect its rays might have had on your soul. Depression sets in as you gather back at your place in the courtyard.

Night Seven has ended. Day Eight has begun and will end at 10:00 pm EST Wednesday.



-Anxiety

[Grammaticus]

Good luck forces of light.

[LoneStarGirl]

Well, we only have ten people left.

I figure 2 rangers, 4 villagers, 1 Saruman (thomkal) and 3 Sauron

[LoneStarGirl]

Before i go to work I obtained no information last night. I got pretty shaken by something and it ruined my dreamwalk. I am having a hard time figuring out some of what the pm says, so im going to figure it out and let y'all know, asap.

[LoneStarGirl]

Well, we only have ten people left.

I figure 2 rangers, 4 villagers, 1 Saruman (thomkal) and 3 Sauron

This is what i think btw

Rangers/Villagers
LoneStarGirl
Alant
DaddyTorgo
Jonathan
Izulde
Swaggs

Saruman
Thomkal

Sauron
Mr. Wed
NtnDeacon
Tyrith

[LoneStarGirl]

vote ntndeacon

sorry, ntn, but your time has come. I figure since there is only one saruman left, lets hit the other dark side up today.

[ntndeacon]

I am afraid I don't get that Lonestargirl. Are you afraid that you won't get the support to take out your known bad guy, Thomkal? If we do have the numbers you think there are, one ranger kill and that is the game. As a good guy, I don't care what side a bad guy is from. I want to take out the sure thing. And as much is everyone is convinced I am bad, I am not a sure thing.

[LoneStarGirl]

okay, I figured my pm out... quick i know.
I scanned MR. Wednesday last night.

My dreamwalk was so powerful it literally shook me.I was violently shaken out of my dreamwalk by the power of Mr. Wednesday... The only problem is that I can't tell if Mr Wednesday broke my connection, or if somebody else. But I didn't obtain any information

[Alan T]

This is what i think btw

Rangers/Villagers
LoneStarGirl
Alant
DaddyTorgo
Jonathan
Izulde
Swaggs

Saruman
Thomkal

Sauron
Mr. Wed
NtnDeacon
Tyrith


Swaggs is dead though :) Otherwise I think most of your list makes sense. THe only difference I would have DaddyTorgo as one of the possible Sauron, at least more likely Sauron than Mr.W is. (Primarily based on Swaggs' statement of Mr.W).

Vote Ntndeacon

I'm curious to what could have shaken your dreamwalk LSG since I am assuming Schmidty guarded you again last night. No hints from your PM at all?

[LoneStarGirl]

NTN, if most of the other guys switch to Mr Wed, I am all about that... but knowing alant and knowing he has a couple of followers here, most of the votes will be on you.

[LoneStarGirl]

Sorry, I meant Schmidty, not swaggs

[Alan T]

okay, I figured my pm out... quick i know.
I scanned MR. Wednesday last night.

My dreamwalk was so powerful it literally shook me.I was violently shaken out of my dreamwalk by the power of Mr. Wednesday... The only problem is that I can't tell if Mr Wednesday broke my connection, or if somebody else. But I didn't obtain any information

hmmm.. interesting. Ok, thanks for the info.


THomkal, how about you. What do you have to bring to the table for us today?

[LoneStarGirl]

Alant, since you know LOTR real well, can you look at my dream and see if that means anything? Especially anything Sauron?

[Alan T]

NTN, if most of the other guys switch to Mr Wed, I am all about that... but knowing alant and knowing he has a couple of followers here, most of the votes will be on you.

Not necessarily, right now though yes I'm fixated on ntn. I want to hear a bit more from folks today though before I do anything further. Like yesterday with sublime I can change, but we'll see.

[Alan T]

Alant, since you know LOTR real well, can you look at my dream and see if that means anything? Especially anything Sauron?

Let me think about it for a while.

[LoneStarGirl]

Alant do you know for a FACT that NTN is bad?

And why do you insist on going after an unidentified sauron vs a clear saruman??? We know thomkal is bad, but unless you KNOW ntn is bad, it seems silly. Since i interpreted my post, i might be switching off ntn

[LoneStarGirl]

Okay kids, i have to go to work, ill be on throughout the day. Alant get your thinking cap on

[ntndeacon]

Alant do you know for a FACT that NTN is bad?

And why do you insist on going after an unidentified sauron vs a clear saruman??? We know thomkal is bad, but unless you KNOW ntn is bad, it seems silly. Since i interpreted my post, i might be switching off ntn

Not that it will matter coming from me, but no Alan does not know I am bad. That was my point to you. No one knows I am bad. Most suspect I am bad...Even the bad guys. :) They just think they have spotted someone on the other team.

[Alan T]

Alant do you know for a FACT that NTN is bad?

And why do you insist on going after an unidentified sauron vs a clear saruman??? We know thomkal is bad, but unless you KNOW ntn is bad, it seems silly. Since i interpreted my post, i might be switching off ntn

There are alot of things I don't know for fact, but instead have to rely on faith for.

I don't know that you are for sure the good seer.
I don't know if you are telling us the truth about Thomkal.
I don't know if you are telling us the truth about Mr.Wednesday.


And despite what people may -assume- my feelings about the above statements are, I gurantuee you that I am not that lucid.

Right now I would really like to hear what Thomkal found last night. All I can say is if you assume you know my thoughts on people, you might be way off base.

[Thomkal]

Good morning all.

Well I can tell you that I had no problem with my ability at all last night and I viewed LoneStarGirl. Since she lied about her scan of me, I wanted to see why.

LoneStarGirl is an Agent of Darkness. Note I do not get role information. Just Light or Darkness. I'm assuming she's an Agent of Sauron since none of them have been found yet.

vote LoneStarGirl

[Alan T]

Good morning all.

Well I can tell you that I had no problem with my ability at all last night and I viewed LoneStarGirl. Since she lied about her scan of me, I wanted to see why.

LoneStarGirl is an Agent of Darkness. Note I do not get role information. Just Light or Darkness. I'm assuming she's an Agent of Sauron since none of them have been found yet.

vote LoneStarGirl

Outstanding, thanks Thomkal!

That was entirely unhelpful, since we already assumed if she was lying you aren't or vice versa.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

LoneStarGirl,

Why haven't you scanned ntn? Especially if you knew that he was going to be the main target today? If you really want us to be making informed lynches, then give us information. What's the point of scanning Mr. Wednesday? If you come out and say he's evil, it's your word against Thomkal's (and Swaggs since he said Thomkal believes Mr. Wednesday is good).

[Alan T]

LoneStarGirl,

Why haven't you scanned ntn? Especially if you knew that he was going to be the main target today? If you really want us to be making informed lynches, then give us information. What's the point of scanning Mr. Wednesday? If you come out and say he's evil, it's your word against Thomkal's (and Swaggs since he said Thomkal believes Mr. Wednesday is good).

Well just to be fair.. if THomkal is on Saruman's team (like LSG says), and Mr.W is on Sauron's side.. Thomkal might have "believed" that Mr.W was good thus Swaggs's read would have been true still.

Of course that entire scenerio still is all based on faith and no facts, so its a big giant pile of cards that we can have fall on our heads.

I'm just puzzled at the protection ntn has had this entire game.

[Thomkal]

Outstanding, thanks Thomkal!

That was entirely unhelpful, since we already assumed if she was lying you aren't or vice versa.

Sorry Alan,

But I had to know. You likely would do the same if wrongly accused. I think she's trying to protect ntndeacon, and is making all this up about Mr W to make my views look bad.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Well just to be fair.. if THomkal is on Saruman's team (like LSG says), and Mr.W is on Sauron's side.. Thomkal might have "believed" that Mr.W was good thus Swaggs's read would have been true still.

I was under the impression that both evil factions know who is evil and who isn't. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Thomkal,

Is there a reason you haven't scanned ntn either?

[Alan T]

Sorry Alan,

But I had to know. You likely would do the same if wrongly accused. I think she's trying to protect ntndeacon, and is making all this up about Mr W to make my views look bad.

Actually if someone told me I was bad, and I wasn't bad I pretty much would already have the answer I was looking for. If you assumed she was trying to protect ntn why wouldn't you have scanned him instead?

[ntndeacon]

Well just to be fair.. if THomkal is on Saruman's team (like LSG says), and Mr.W is on Sauron's side.. Thomkal might have "believed" that Mr.W was good thus Swaggs's read would have been true still.

Of course that entire scenerio still is all based on faith and no facts, so its a big giant pile of cards that we can have fall on our heads.

I'm just puzzled at the protection ntn has had this entire game.

Sorry that doesn't jibe Alan. If Thomkal is on Saruman's side and Mr. W was on Sauron's side as you suggest. He would have still seen light and darkness, so would have "believed " that Mr. Wed was bad not good.

[Alan T]

I was under the impression that both evil factions know who is evil and who isn't. Maybe I'm wrong.

I don't think that is the case. I will re-read the rules but the assumption I have been working under here is that Saruman and Sauron's forces do not know who is on the other team. Just who is on their team.

[Tyrith]

Sorry that doesn't jibe Alan. If Thomkal is on Saruman's side and Mr. W was on Sauron's side as you suggest. He would have still seen light and darkness, so would have "believed " that Mr. Wed was bad not good.

Unless he's not actually a seer at all, and just conjured a scan list at random...but maybe.

[Alan T]

Sorry that doesn't jibe Alan. If Thomkal is on Saruman's side and Mr. W was on Sauron's side as you suggest. He would have still seen light and darkness, so would have "believed " that Mr. Wed was bad not good.

Unless he was completely making up the whole able to see light and good thing.

[ntndeacon]

I was under the impression that both evil factions know who is evil and who isn't. Maybe I'm wrong.

I was under the impression that they knew of thier side only. which would be a reason to work with the good sides. If they don't want Anxiety to decide who wins control, or if they are trying to get a major victory. The only bad thing about that from our point of view, is that they are even better hidden since part of thier aim is to kill some of the other darkness faction.

[Thomkal]

Thomkal,

Is there a reason you haven't scanned ntn either?

Because at the time I thought there was better targets. Yeah I probably should have viewed him last night since he's been one of the focus of discussion. Should I survive the day and night, I will scan him.

[Alan T]

Because at the time I thought there was better targets. Yeah I probably should have viewed him last night since he's been one of the focus of discussion. Should I survive the day and night, I will scan him.

I highly doubt that you have any worries about surviving the night.

[Thomkal]

I am NOT making things up. I really am a seer.

[Alan T]

I am NOT making things up. I really am a seer.

What was your name again? and you say you tell people are good or bad by selling them vegetables right?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

An uneasy alliance rests between Sauron and Saruman, but you know it is all fake.

This is why I'm under the impression they know each other. But I could be reading it incorrectly.

[Thomkal]

What was your name again? and you say you tell people are good or bad by selling them vegetables right?

Antaria Lodestock, and yes the intuition I feel when talking to them from when I sell them vegetables and talk to them around town.

[Thomkal]

Why would the two dark sides know each other? They don't want the other side to win over them.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Sauron
Mr. Wed


Wrong on that one.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Yes, but they have to work together at first to remove the good players. Once they've removed enough villagers (i.e. now), they can start to turn on each other.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I think she's trying to protect ntndeacon, and is making all this up about Mr W to make my views look bad.
Although she didn't come right out and accuse me... maybe because she's hoping that she can push the vote my way without compromising her trust from the rest of the group?

[Alan T]

Wrong on that one.

Mr.W can you give an explanation for why LSG would have had a problem scanning you last night?

[ntndeacon]

Possibly Jonathan. i had forgotten that part of the rules.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Who has LSG cleared at this point?

[Alan T]

Yes, but they have to work together at first to remove the good players. Once they've removed enough villagers (i.e. now), they can start to turn on each other.


I just can't picture what end game would be like if they did know who each other were.

I also would have to have guessed someone on Saruman's side would have sold out someone on Sauron's team by now to gain trust and to even those odds a bit more.

Right now Saruman's team pretty much has a very long road to climb to try to win this game. Sauron has a huge edge on them.

[Alan T]

Who has LSG cleared at this point?

That is alive? me and Izulde are the only ones.

[Alan T]

Who has LSG cleared at this point?

So mr.W if you don't think people should vote you today, who do you think people should vote for instead?

Also why do you think that LSG was unable to scan you last night?

[Alan T]

Antaria Lodestock, and yes the intuition I feel when talking to them from when I sell them vegetables and talk to them around town.

What if they don't like vegetables? For instance when I get Chicken and steak fajitas, I like the wrap with the chicken and steak in them and alot of cheese. I don't like the taste of onions and ususally don't put peppers on the wrap either.

Would a carnivore be completely able to block your scan?

[Thomkal]

I'm off for lunch, back in a bit.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Mr.W can you give an explanation for why LSG would have had a problem scanning you last night?

No. Assuming for the sake of discussion that it's not malfeasance on her part, nor interference on someone else's part, perhaps there's something about me that wasn't revealed to me. As I've said before, I know what side I'm on (light and townsfolk), I know my name (Astard Varn), my heritage (descended from the people of Lossoth in the far north), and aside from that, I was told that there was nothing else to my role.

I think it's better explained by another agent, either LSG herself or someone else acting to block her (possibly out of fear that she would hit an agent of Sauron last night).

[Thomkal]

What if they don't like vegetables? For instance when I get Chicken and steak fajitas, I like the wrap with the chicken and steak in them and alot of cheese. I don't like the taste of onions and ususally don't put peppers on the wrap either.

Would a carnivore be completely able to block your scan?

Well now I'm really hungry for lunch lol. If this is a serious question, I have no idea. I think the vegetable selling was just the vehicle Anxiety used to explain my role. And I dont like onions either. :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

Assuming our seers are playing straight with us, I believe we're down to three people who haven't aren't seers and haven't been cleared by seer statement or their own action: Tyrith, ntndeacon, and DaddyTorgo. LSG insists that Thomkal is on the side of Saruman; Thomkal insists that she is on the side of Sauron. If both are correct, then chances are pretty good that one of the other three that I identified is a villager.

I still like the odds, so I'm going to go with the one who's been drawing votes.

VOTE ntndeacon

[ntndeacon]

No. Assuming for the sake of discussion that it's not malfeasance on her part, nor interference on someone else's part, perhaps there's something about me that wasn't revealed to me. As I've said before, I know what side I'm on (light and townsfolk), I know my name (Astard Varn), my heritage (descended from the people of Lossoth in the far north), and aside from that, I was told that there was nothing else to my role.

I think it's better explained by another agent, either LSG herself or someone else acting to block her (possibly out of fear that she would hit an agent of Sauron last night).

First, it was relatively clear that LSG was going to pick someone from her list of probable bad guys. With the reluctance of both seers to view me. I think it would have been possible to pick right here, if we have a blocker from seer sight.

I don't know how common it is to have someone who can hide someone from a seer though.

[ntndeacon]

I am going to go with the one that caused Gramm so much grief a couple of days ago. The story he pulled was a leading cause of Gramm's death. So I...
Vote Tyrith

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I also would have to have guessed someone on Saruman's side would have sold out someone on Sauron's team by now to gain trust and to even those odds a bit more.

Maybe. But how could they come out and name a Sauron agent without rousing our suspicion? They might have figured it would be easier to take them out through night actions (i.e. Sublime's foiled attack against LSG the other night).

[ntndeacon]

and with that iam off to lunch too

[Alan T]

No. Assuming for the sake of discussion that it's not malfeasance on her part, nor interference on someone else's part, perhaps there's something about me that wasn't revealed to me. As I've said before, I know what side I'm on (light and townsfolk), I know my name (Astard Varn), my heritage (descended from the people of Lossoth in the far north), and aside from that, I was told that there was nothing else to my role.

I think it's better explained by another agent, either LSG herself or someone else acting to block her (possibly out of fear that she would hit an agent of Sauron last night).

Why would they have just now chosen to block a seer scan with both seers out for several days now... I would have assumed they would have blocked one earlier from now wouldn't they?

[Izulde]

ntn's time is here.

VOTE NTNDEACON

[Schmidty]

Yes, but they have to work together at first to remove the good players.

If that's the case, then why is Alan still in the game?

[Alan T]

Ok.. trying to think this past just today...

we have up as options.. ntndeacon and Mr.Wednesday

So far everyone has stayed Faaaaaaar away from ntndeacon, no one has wanted to take a chance to vouch for him despite given repeated chances to find out more information. So far every bad guy who has been killed has not had any real presence in votes on ntn nor pushing for his vote. I think it is highly likely he is bad due to circumstantial evidence.

However ntn's death won't tell us anything about Mr.Wednesday. it won't tell us anything about DaddyTorgo. It won't tell us anything about Lonestargirl and it won't tell us anything about Thomkal. So its a dead end vote.


Mr.Wednesday on the other hand was scanned and believed to be good by Thomkal. Swaggs read Thomkal's statement and said that Thomkal did indeed believe Mr.W was good. Lonestargirl tried to scan Mr.W last night but was horrendously blocked from it.

This leads us to multiple possibilities.. If Thomkal is bad, he could likely still have thought Mr.W was good with him actually still being bad just on the other team. So Thomkal's being bad won't tell us anything about Mr.W. However if Thomkal is good, it means Mr.W also -has- to be good. Taking that on the inverse, if Mr.W ends up bad then Thomkal also has to be bad.

as for LSG's scan of him.. he says he didnt block it.. and I find it very hard to believe that the bad guys would just now on day 8 choose to block a seer scan for no good reason. I also find it hard to believe that a good guy would have some inherent seer blocking ability.

So if we lynch Mr.W and he ends up bad, we know pretty much for a fact Thomkal is lying. If we lynch Mr.W and he ends up good, it doesn't necessarily mean LSg is bad for sure, but it puts alot more credence behind what Thomkal has been saying and leaves alot of questions for what exactly happened to LSG last night.

Now for the tolkien part of this.. Mr. W is not lying about him being from Lossoth as far as I know.. the catch is here in Toronto without my books off the top of my head that, pretty much is a dead end role. Lossoth wasn't necessarily good or evil but instead were more neutral than anything that happened to help certain dunedan at times. Their lands however were conquered by the Witch-King of Angmar who also was the head nazgul.

We already know the game doesn't follow the books directly, so I can't tell for sure his being from Lossoth means he is good or bad.. however if some how he actually was the Witch-King or the head nazgul, it would definitly explain why LSG's scan was blocked last night.

I say for now, we don't even try to interpret the book piece of this, but instead I think today we learn the most about other people with a Mr.W lynch. It doesn't sound like killing him will lose us anything other than 1 good guy if we're wrong, but we gain alot of information from it.

Unvote ntndeacon
Vote Mr.Wednesday

[Alan T]

If that's the case, then why is Alan still in the game?

LSG already has said I'm playing a bad game. So guess they aren't afraid of me :)

[Jonathan Ezarik]

If that's the case, then why is Alan still in the game?

Remember, they tried to take him out a couple of nights ago.

[Alan T]

Remember, they tried to take him out a couple of nights ago.

I am pretty sure that was BrianD who tried to take me out that night. Just like LSG's case it means we probably aren't on Saruman's side but doesn't necessarily clear us from Sauron's side.

I'm not too worried about that though for myself at this point. I'm pretty sure I'm good :)

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I wasn't saying you are evil, Alan. If it was Brian, why did he hit you over the head? From what I can tell, all Saruman attacks have been through magic, while Sauron's have been more violent. I think the attack on you was from the Sauron faction.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

we have up as options.. ntndeacon and Mr.Wednesday


This whole thing is based on what LSG said. What if she's lying? What if she really did scan Mr. Wednesday and he is good? Could she be trying to divert attention from ntn once again?

[Schmidty]

It doesn't sound like killing him will lose us anything other than 1 good guy if we're wrong, but we gain alot of information from it.

No offense, but your vote seems like an unnecessary reach, especially with a much better target like ntn or Thomkal sitting there. At this point in the game, we can't afford to just toss good guys away to set up something else, as you suggested above. We just lost a Ranger, which counts as TWO villagers when determining the overwhelming of the town, so getting a guy in ntndeacon, who everyone (including supposedly you) considers a shoe-in as a baddie, should be our number 1 priority.

I know LSG cleared you, but the fact that you're a "known" good guy, an acknowledged good player, and are totally vocal, yet no attempt on your life has been made yet, just makes me really wierded-out. Now you're dropping the vote you've been so adamant about for days, in exchange for a very, very dubious gamble. Something just feels odd.

[Schmidty]

Remember, they tried to take him out a couple of nights ago.

D'oh!!

My bad. Disregard that point in my last post.

Sorry Alan.

[Alan T]

I wasn't saying you are evil, Alan. If it was Brian, why did he hit you over the head? From what I can tell, all Saruman attacks have been through magic, while Sauron's have been more violent. I think the attack on you was from the Sauron faction.

I was meaning that comment more for Schmidty's benefit than your's. Sorry for the lack of direction :)

I think there is some catch with Saruman's side.. I think Sauron's side has a night kill every night... Saruman's side perhaps has 1 night kill from each member maybe total the entire game? So perhaps 2 of Saruman's members had magic attacks and 1 had physical attack? THe night i was attacked, Tavin was killed by knife wounds which I think is the typical Sauron kill.

[Alan T]

No offense, but your vote seems like an unnecessary reach, especially with a much better target like ntn or Thomkal sitting there. At this point in the game, we can't afford to just toss good guys away to set up something else, as you suggested above. We just lost a Ranger, which counts as TWO villagers when determining the overwhelming of the town, so getting a guy in ntndeacon, who everyone (including supposedly you) considers a shoe-in as a baddie, should be our number 1 priority.

I know LSG cleared you, but the fact that you're a "known" good guy, an acknowledged good player, and are totally vocal, yet no attempt on your life has been made yet, just makes me really wierded-out. Now you're dropping the vote you've been so adamant about for days, in exchange for a very, very dubious gamble. Something just feels odd.

Well I seem pretty set in my ways at times.. and I still think ntn is likely bad.. however what does Ntn's death tell us other than whether my gut instinct is wrong or not? Not much.. whereas we have a different gut instinct with mr.w which actually will give us info on LSG and THomkal. If I had to guess, I think its more likely that ntn is bad than mr.w, but mr.w is on the short list of who is likely to be bad so I am ok with going with him today.

[Alan T]

This is the current vote count. I believe we need 5 votes for a lynching.

(3) Ntndeacon - Lonestargirl (2532), Mr.Wednesday (2579), Izulde (2585)
(1) Lonestargirl - Thomkal (2546)
(1) Tyrith - Ntndeacon (2581)
(1) Mr.Wednesday (2587)

One interesting thing is Mr.W threw a vote on ntn, however ntn completely ignored it and voted for someone completely different from the list of suspects. Does this seem odd to anyone else?

[Alan T]

Sorry numbers are wrong. 10 players left in the game not 9. So need 6 people for a lynch

[LoneStarGirl]

Unless he's not actually a seer at all, and just conjured a scan list at random...but maybe.

I think He ISNT a seer and he DID conjure that scan list at random... and I didnt scan ntn because Alant is so adamant he is bad, and I scanned alant and i trust what he says for the most part.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

THe night i was attacked, Tavin was killed by knife wounds which I think is the typical Sauron kill.

You're right. I forgot about DC killed stabbed to death that night. Well, throw out my theory on that one.

By the way, why do you think it was Brian that attacked you? It doesn't really matter, but did you pick up on something that I missed or was it something you learned through a PM?

[ntndeacon]

No offense, but your vote seems like an unnecessary reach, especially with a much better target like ntn or Thomkal sitting there. At this point in the game, we can't afford to just toss good guys away to set up something else, as you suggested above. We just lost a Ranger, which counts as TWO villagers when determining the overwhelming of the town, so getting a guy in ntndeacon, who everyone (including supposedly you) considers a shoe-in as a baddie, should be our number 1 priority.

Actually a ranger is like 4 villagers. It takes 2 baddies to over come a ranger, however a baddie can take out 2 villagers.so 2 baddies can take out 4 regular villagers

[LoneStarGirl]

I am all for switching to Mr W, but somebody needs to die tonight, so im not going to switch off of him unless everybody else does. I hope Daddy and Tyrith vote for ntn, but I dont know about Schmidty... so it leaves a lot up in the air. If daddy and tyrith vote for mr. wed, then ill switch to him. I think both of these guys are bad and on the same team, but Alant is right, we dont learn much from ntn's death

[Sublime 2]

Ahhh crud! Wasn't able to be around yesterday due to classes and a last second trip up to burlington, vt for some hockey. Looks like you guys got me! Definitely had a good time playing, will have to look into future games. :D

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I forgot about DC killed stabbed to death that night.

Uh, yes, English is my first language. :confused: Curse the no edit rule!

[Alan T]

You're right. I forgot about DC killed stabbed to death that night. Well, throw out my theory on that one.

By the way, why do you think it was Brian that attacked you? It doesn't really matter, but did you pick up on something that I missed or was it something you learned through a PM?

Just from his comments the day that he was on the line to be lynched. The way he said it made me feel that he knew who did the kill if it wasn't him. He said he watched Lonestargirl attack me.. but I do know a fair amount of LSG's role.. and even if i assume she is bad I can't for the life of me think her method of night attack involves a tree branch of any kind.

Brian's role however that seems much more plausible. If he didn't do it himself, I'm pretty sure he knew who on his team did. I doubt it was Sublime who did since we saw Sublime's attack was more magical. That leaves either BrianD or mystery Saruman member #3.

[ntndeacon]

This is the current vote count. I believe we need 5 votes for a lynching.

(3) Ntndeacon - Lonestargirl (2532), Mr.Wednesday (2579), Izulde (2585)
(1) Lonestargirl - Thomkal (2546)
(1) Tyrith - Ntndeacon (2581)
(1) Mr.Wednesday (2587)

One interesting thing is Mr.W threw a vote on ntn, however ntn completely ignored it and voted for someone completely different from the list of suspects. Does this seem odd to anyone else?

Well that is because I think that Tyrith is more likely to be bad than Mr. W. the whole situation with him and Gramm was a very questionable play for a good guy, but a 1 for 1 trade for a ranger helps the baddies tremendously

[Alan T]

Ahhh crud! Wasn't able to be around yesterday due to classes and a last second trip up to burlington, vt for some hockey. Looks like you guys got me! Definitely had a good time playing, will have to look into future games. :D

Glad you enjoyed it and joined us. Hope you come back again in the future for more WW games :)

[Alan T]

Well that is because I think that Tyrith is more likely to be bad than Mr. W. the whole situation with him and Gramm was a very questionable play for a good guy, but a 1 for 1 trade for a ranger helps the baddies tremendously

Your argument has no logic in it I don't think from my opinion. I agree that Tyrith might be bad, however the reasons you say have more holes than swiss cheese.

If Tyrith is bad, and somehow found out Gramm was a ranger why out Gramm the way he did? Why not just kill him and not even say anything to add suspicion to him?

Perhaps we can look at tyrith more tommorrow, but today it makes zero sense to add him into a run off today.

[ntndeacon]

I am all for switching to Mr W, but somebody needs to die tonight, so im not going to switch off of him unless everybody else does. I hope Daddy and Tyrith vote for ntn, but I dont know about Schmidty... so it leaves a lot up in the air. If daddy and tyrith vote for mr. wed, then ill switch to him. I think both of these guys are bad and on the same team, but Alant is right, we dont learn much from ntn's death

I would not have a problem with voting for Mr. W either. But ido think that we need to address the situation betwen Tyrith and Gramm.

[ntndeacon]

Your argument has no logic in it I don't think from my opinion. I agree that Tyrith might be bad, however the reasons you say have more holes than swiss cheese.

If Tyrith is bad, and somehow found out Gramm was a ranger why out Gramm the way he did? Why not just kill him and not even say anything to add suspicion to him?

Perhaps we can look at tyrith more tommorrow, but today it makes zero sense to add him into a run off today.

There may be logical problems with this reasoning, but this reasoning was why Ivoted how Idid. but the run off between myself and Mr. Wed only gives me one candidate. As ihave already said Iwill be willing to switch off if needed to lynch him, as I see your point about where it leads. However he isn't my first suspect..that is Tyrith.

[Tyrith]

My number 1 suspect is Thomkal. If we aren't going to listen to his scan list we should just go ahead and kill him so we KNOW about LSG. I am 99 percent sure that ntn is bad at this point, but his lynch doesn't help us with the dueling seer issue. Mr.W...he at least tells us something. I'd rather lynch him than ntn today. So I'm still undecided, I'll go with whatever the good guys think. I apologize that I haven't been more active; school has kept me very busy the last couple of days, and probably will continue to have that problem for the rest of this game.

[Mr. Wednesday]

OK, I was just thinking about something.

I think it's awfully suspicious that ntndeacon has been on the block for days, and neither of our seers has attempted to look at him.

It's possible that's because he's Sauron and LSG is Sauron.

It's also possible it's because they know he's good and they wouldn't mind us voting him off.

So with that, I'm going to switch my vote.

UNVOTE ntndeacon
VOTE DaddyTorgo

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, that's somewhat against interest because some of you are (incorrectly) trying to cast suspicion on me, despite being cleared by two different people (one of whom is known to be good).

[Alan T]

Dola, that's somewhat against interest because some of you are (incorrectly) trying to cast suspicion on me, despite being cleared by two different people (one of whom is known to be good).

We've been down this road before. Swaggs himself said that he didn't feel his information could clear you fully and he wished he had chosen a different line to scan. It didn't clear you but instead put your good vs bad in the hands of Thomkal's reveal which was exactly my point in voting you.

[Thomkal]

Well since I viewed him, and know him to be good, I'm not too supportive of a vote out of Mr. W. If you aren't going to go for LSG like I want, then I guess it'll have to be one of the unscanned.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I am 99 percent sure that ntn is bad at this point, but his lynch doesn't help us with the dueling seer issue.

I get that lynching Mr. Wednesday can tell us something (unless he's good, then we still don't know if Thomkal is truly good or not), but I would rather go with the guy everyone thinks is evil. Regardless, I'm going to hold off on my vote for a bit and see how things fall.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I've been saying since early on that I'm good. So if you lynch me and confirm that, what are you going to do then? Even LSG didn't actually make any claim about me, only that she wasn't able to complete the scan for reasons unknown -- you'd get one instance where Thomkal was telling the truth, and that's all.

Since I'm just an average sort, it's not a huge loss from the point of view of holding off the forces of darkness, the bigger issue is the opportunity cost of not going after someone who's a much higher percentage to be a bad dude.

[Alan T]

I've been saying since early on that I'm good. So if you lynch me and confirm that, what are you going to do then? Even LSG didn't actually make any claim about me, only that she wasn't able to complete the scan for reasons unknown -- you'd get one instance where Thomkal was telling the truth, and that's all.

Since I'm just an average sort, it's not a huge loss from the point of view of holding off the forces of darkness, the bigger issue is the opportunity cost of not going after someone who's a much higher percentage to be a bad dude.

And why is DaddyTorgo that much higher a percentage than you?

[LoneStarGirl]

We have to make a right call tonight, we have to kill a known bad guy. If we dont then we good people probably lose the game. I will on around 4:30... but im throwing this out now

vote thomkal

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Didn't you already vote for ntn (post 2532)?

[Tyrith]

I am willing to vote for Mr.W and ntn, in that order of preference, if this vote doesn't work. But for now I'd rather vote for the person who I have wanted dead since day 4...and who I can see no way is on our side.

VOTE THOMKAL

[Schmidty]

Thinking things through, and looking at how the votes have fallen so far, I feel that this is the best move:

Vote Thomkal

[Alan T]

Ok here is the deal.. Right now I think its pretty likely that the good guys are in the driver seat. I don't see any way that accidentally lynching a good guy is going to lose us the game here. THe most important thing is we have to lynch someone out of Thomkal, Ntn or Mr.W today.

If the majority wants to go with THomkal, I -will- move my vote by deadline. However the good guys need to make sure that we have someone lynched. We can't split our vote or we get ourselves in trouble

[LoneStarGirl]

sorry jonathan, long day

unvote ntndeacon

vote thomkal

[Alan T]

This is the current vote count. THe good guys are scattered across alot of people right now. I'll move my vote but we really need to decide who its going to be. Needs to either be ntn, thomkal or Mr.W and it honestly doesn't matter which of the three.

(2) Thomkal - Tyrith (2621), Schmidty (2622)
(2) Ntndeacon - Lonestargirl (2532), Izulde (2585)
(1) Lonestargirl - Thomkal (2546)
(1) Tyrith - Ntndeacon (2581)
(1) Mr.Wednesday - Alan (2587)
(1) DaddyTorgo - Mr.Wednesday (2612)


No votes: DaddyTorgo, Jonathan E.

[LoneStarGirl]

alant what is the current vote stading?

I have 3 on thomkal

[LoneStarGirl]

you beat me to it

[LoneStarGirl]

when izulde and ntn get on i think they too will vote for thomkal


so then we will need one more, that is you alant

[Alan T]

Ok, looks like this is today's direction..

Unvote Mr.Wednesday
Vote thomkal


This should make the vote count this:

(4) Thomkal - Tyrith (2621), Schmidty (2622), Lonestargirl (2624), Alan T (xxx)
(1) Ntndeacon - Izulde (2585)
(1) Lonestargirl - Thomkal (2546)
(1) Tyrith - Ntndeacon (2581)
(1) DaddyTorgo - Mr.Wednesday (2612)


No votes: DaddyTorgo, Jonathan E.

We need 2 more votes on thomkal.

[LoneStarGirl]

Daddy probably will too, so we should have our lynch tonight

[Alan T]

when izulde and ntn get on i think they too will vote for thomkal


so then we will need one more, that is you alant

I have a feeling jonathan will vote for Thomkal. I think we should be ok.

If thomkal ends up good, then LSG is obviously the next choice for tommorrow. However I doubt thats going to happen here.

[Alan T]

Daddy probably will too, so we should have our lynch tonight

Well, I am assuming if you aren't lying this is the end for team Saruman. I fully expect everyone will be happy with this vote if he is indeed on saruman's team.

[LoneStarGirl]

Well then, i guess we will all be happy. This is about 4 days over do, since blade had thomkal pegged from the beginning.

[Thomkal]

Oh it matters Alan. You've supported keeping both LSG and I alive for so long now Alan. Why consider lynching me and not her? I will move to ntndeacon since he is uncleared.

unvote LoneStarGirl
vote ntndeacon

[Alan T]

Well then, i guess we will all be happy. This is about 4 days over do, since blade had thomkal pegged from the beginning.

I can say the same thing about ntn :)

[Alan T]

Oh it matters Alan. You've supported keeping both LSG and I alive for so long now Alan. Why consider lynching me and not her? I will move to ntndeacon since he is uncleared.

unvote LoneStarGirl
vote ntndeacon

Its all about math. Thanks to having both of our wonderful seers alive for as long as we have, we now have a fully mapped out list of who is good or bad based on which seer is telling the truth.

At this point in the game, it honestly doesn't matter which of you, Mr.W or ntn is killed either way it tells us the info we need to know to likely figure out the rest.

Its still a possibility that LSG is bad, but well you've done alot less to help us with your scans so she gets the benefit of the doubt.

[Izulde]

All right, I'll go along with the train.

UNVOTE NTNDEACON

VOTE THOMKAL

[LoneStarGirl]

Okay guys i am out for the night i think, i am getting my hair done and me and GE are taking pictures and going shopping.... I am glad to see Thomkal is finally going to get it.

[Thomkal]

Well at least I'll be comforted when you lynch LSG next.

[Alan T]

Well at least I'll be comforted when you lynch LSG next.

Just think about it this way.. your death will give us something your seer scans never did and give us a sure bad guy :)

[ntndeacon]

I can say the same thing about ntn :)

Yes but you are wrong :)

[ntndeacon]

Unvote Tyrith
Vote Thomkal

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I am willing to vote for Mr.W and ntn, in that order of preference, if this vote doesn't work. But for now I'd rather vote for the person who I have wanted dead since day 4...and who I can see no way is on our side.

VOTE THOMKAL

Does this mean that Thomkal lied yesterday when he said you were good?

[Schmidty]

Does this mean that Thomkal lied yesterday when he said you were good?

ZING!!!!!!!!

[ntndeacon]

Does this mean that Thomkal lied yesterday when he said you were good?

I think there is a fair chance of that. :)

[Tyrith]

I think there is a fair chance of that. :)

Not so much, no.

[Abe Sargent]

Today I had one of the worst days I've had in my job in a long time. I just want to go to bed. I'll do the day at 10:00 pm without problem. I'll try to do the 3:30 too but my stuff may be more abbreviated than normal, and I apologize for that if it happens.

[Tyrith]

Today I had one of the worst days I've had in my job in a long time. I just want to go to bed. I'll do the day at 10:00 pm without problem. I'll try to do the 3:30 too but my stuff may be more abbreviated than normal, and I apologize for that if it happens.

That's no problem, I hope you feel better :)

[DaddyTorgo]

okay. finally home and on the new laptop. can someone quick-catch me up to speed, as i have a crapload of stuff to install/uninstall to get this thing going tonight and lynch is in just over 2 hours. popped on this morning and saw we lost Gram ("darnit") but that's all I've seen

[DaddyTorgo]

or no one can catch me up.

LSG...I am sick of being a suspect...can you clear me tonight and end this uncertainty? If there's not anyone else more in need of a scan of course I mean. I am on the side of light.

with that said...as much as i wonder about Mr. Weds voting for me to get his head off the chopping block with no evidence, I will cast my vote where needed.

VOTE THOMKAL

[Mr. Wednesday]

with that said...as much as i wonder about Mr. Weds voting for me to get his head off the chopping block with no evidence, I will cast my vote where needed.
If I wanted to get my head off the chopping block, I would have kept my vote on ntn, who was leading at the time.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Let's assume for a moment that Thomkal turns out to be a Saruman-aligned seer, for a moment. What's the next step? Do you still trust his reveal of myself, Jonathan, and IIRC Schmidty, considering especially Swaggs's statement? Do you believe his report on LSG?

[Alan T]

Let's assume for a moment that Thomkal turns out to be a Saruman-aligned seer, for a moment. What's the next step? Do you still trust his reveal of myself, Jonathan, and IIRC Schmidty, considering especially Swaggs's statement? Do you believe his report on LSG?

If he ends up being Saruman aligned, then pretty much most of anything he said can't be entirely trusted as his agenda is different than the agenda of good.

[DaddyTorgo]

should prove to be a very informative day either way

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Well, it's not really necessary, but I'm going to vote for Thomkal in case a couple people decide to change their minds at the last minute. I'm not convinced the Thomkal is evil, but I know that we have to have a lynch tonight. And I think it's time to get rid of one of our two "seers."

Vote Thomkal

[Tyrith]

If Thomkal is bad I'm inclined to believe that LSG is good, by and large, although we don't really KNOW. I'd probably start at finally putting ntn out of his misery, though.

[Alan T]

If Thomkal is bad I'm inclined to believe that LSG is good, by and large, although we don't really KNOW. I'd probably start at finally putting ntn out of his misery, though.

now you are just trying to get on my good side.. but yeah if thomkal ends up being bad I'll likely be after ntn again tommorrow.

[Tyrith]

now you are just trying to get on my good side.. but yeah if thomkal ends up being bad I'll likely be after ntn again tommorrow.

Since when do you have a good side? ;)

[DaddyTorgo]

t-minus 12 till lynch and some useful information with this whole dual-seer thing

[Thomkal]

Well it looks like I'm not going to wiggle out of the lynch this time. But I didn't expect to live these past four or five days, so I guess you guys deserve some kind of reward. Except for the Agents of Sauron of course who should have kept me alive so they could reach their victory condition easier.

1. I lied about some but not all of my views. I lied sometimes about who I viewed and I lied sometimes about which side they are on. Have fun figuring out which is which.

2. There has been at least two conversions in this game that I am aware of. And who knows there could be more to come too.

So basically what I'm telling you is that you are starting the game all over. Even those "seer" cleared could be converted as its been quite a long time since some of you were cleared. So None Of You Can Be Trusted.

Have fun and good luck to all of you.

[Alan T]

Well it looks like I'm not going to wiggle out of the lynch this time. But I didn't expect to live these past four or five days, so I guess you guys deserve some kind of reward. Except for the Agents of Sauron of course who should have kept me alive so they could reach their victory condition easier.

1. I lied about some but not all of my views. I lied sometimes about who I viewed and I lied sometimes about which side they are on. Have fun figuring out which is which.

2. There has been at least two conversions in this game that I am aware of. And who knows there could be more to come too.

So basically what I'm telling you is that you are starting the game all over. Even those "seer" cleared could be converted as its been quite a long time since some of you were cleared. So None Of You Can Be Trusted.

Have fun and good luck to all of you.

Thanks for helping us keep LSG alive longer :)

[Schmidty]

2. There has been at least two conversions in this game that I am aware of. And who knows there could be more to come too.

Why does the name "AlanT" come so easily to mind when such a thing is mentioned??

I am sorry, that was just a musing, Alan. :)

[Alan T]

Why does the name "AlanT" come so easily to mind when such a thing is mentioned??

I am sorry, that was just a musing, Alan. :)

I have been working for a while under the assumption that there was a conversion. If there was a conversion, I have in my mind one of two likely people it might have been. As of now though, unless something at night changes things, I think we need to move to ntndeacon next followed by DaddyTorgo.

We still have yet to get the first Sauron member, so we have an extremely small playing field of who could likely be the first 2 (or possibly 3) members of Sauron's side. We should work on those and then identify who are possible conversion targets.

[LoneStarGirl]

where is anxiety? he is ten minutes late!

[Thomkal]

Wouldn't it just suck for me if somebody blocked my lynch? :)

[DaddyTorgo]

LSG...in case you die tonight, will you try to scan me and reassure the paranoid among us (Alan, Weds) that I am of the light? Time is running out for us villagers of Bree I fear.

[Blade6119]

Wouldn't it just suck for me if somebody blocked my lynch? :)

Like on the day i died? ;)

[Jonathan Ezarik]

LSG...in case you die tonight, will you try to scan me and reassure the paranoid among us (Alan, Weds) that I am of the light? Time is running out for us villagers of Bree I fear.

If she dies tonight, what good will her scanning you do?

[DaddyTorgo]

cuz anxiety already said he determines night actions in a random order. so she might be able to scan me before she died. although true...she wouldn't be able to reveal it i guess.

dammit. well hopefully she will scan me and live through the night because someone else will be a better target for the wolves. maybe they'll find more value in trying for someone else like alan who is stirring up controversy?

[LoneStarGirl]

I have three people i need to scan, i plan on doing ennie meenie miney moe to figure out which one ;)

[Thomkal]

Talk about living on borrowed time...

[LoneStarGirl]

And i hope i have somebody guarding me! Especially after its revealed Thomkal is bad

[Schmidty]

cuz anxiety already said he determines night actions in a random order. so she might be able to scan me before she died. although true...she wouldn't be able to reveal it i guess.

dammit. well hopefully she will scan me and live through the night because someone else will be a better target for the wolves. maybe they'll find more value in trying for someone else like alan who is stirring up controversy?

I shouldn't say anything, but the Wolves probably aren't idiotic enough to attack her again.

I guess you never know though.

[Abe Sargent]

Another day passes with the alacrity born of need. You have made your decision, and with the final vote decided, she immediately closes her eyes and begins to….hum?

You screw up your faces in confusion, with this totally unexpected result. Sure, you might have expected a protest, anger, fear, cowardice, quiet acceptance, or something normal. But, a hum?

As you wonder about the odd reaction, you notice a darkening of the air around her. Her eyes open and you can no longer see the eye, just a dark green tint. A deeply glowing emerald color begins to emerge from her mouth as she continues to hum.

Almost as one, you begin to draw whatever you have at hand that can be used as a weapon and approach her. Her hum increases in volume and you begin to cringe as the hum begins to vibrate in your bodies and souls.

You begin to hack and slash with what you have at hand. Within seconds, her body is pierced in multiple places, and the color fades. Red replaces green as blood runs from her mouth. The hum is silenced in a gurgle, but her eyes continue to stare at you for minutes before the life leaves them.

You leave her at the deliberation area and head to her farm on the west side of town. You investigate and quickly find various tomes speaking about the work she is doing for her dark master, Saruman.



Day Eight has Ended. Night Eight has begun and will probably end somewhere in the general vicinity of 3:30 AM EST Thursday unless you get your Night Actions in to me and I can run it early and put an end to this rotten day.

-Anxiety

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I have three people i need to scan, i plan on doing ennie meenie miney moe to figure out which one ;)

I hope those three people are ntn, ntn, and ntn.

[Thomkal]

uhoh Anxiety is here. Here comes my death scene

[LoneStarGirl]

night action is being sent within 30 minutes anxiety.


Thomkal, you're a liar. :-P

[LoneStarGirl]

Jon, lets say i scan ntn and he is good.... where does that leave us?

[Alan T]

Right now we pretty much have the saruman side wiped out unless they got a 4th member through a conversion. Likewise we can expect the Sauron's side to have started with most likely 2 people if not a third person.

Based on who is left, and who I know started the game good.. the original two members of Sauron's side could not have been alot of people.

The two original Sauron members have to be in a group of:

Ntndeacon
Mr.Wednesday
DaddyTorgo
Lonestargirl.

Because of various other things said during the game, I am finding it very unlikely that Lonestargirl was at least an original Sauron member as well. If she was, then well played as it would have required her to take her game to a second or third layer of thinking that would be Hoopsguy worthy. I'm including her in the list since thats possible, but I think I am guessing she started good.

So from Ntndeacon, Mr.Wednesday and DaddyTorgo I assume we will find 2 if not 3 bad guys.

We nail down the first 2 sauron members and then we need to worry about who was converted when. And for arguement sake we can include my name in that list along with everyonen else on who was possibly converted.

For now however we know there are at least 2 sauron members that were not converted and can be in that group. That is the group we should focus on now.

(This also assumes Schmidty is what he says he is due to his actions. Schmidty also could have been converted, but i highly doubt he started evil as well)

[Thomkal]

Well yes I am LSG, are you surprised? :)

[Tyrith]

If we scan ntn and he's good then we kill daddy. If we scan ntn and he's good I will also be highly surprised, considering the information we have available and the way the game has gone.

[Thomkal]

Oooh a death hum! I didn't know I had that power! :) In all seriousness, great job on the death write-ups and posts Anxiety, and in all seriousness good luck to the remaining players.

[LoneStarGirl]

No, just frusterated that Gramm believed you enough to take his vote off of you 4 days ago. Some sort of head ranger he was.

[Alan T]

Jon, lets say i scan ntn and he is good.... where does that leave us?

If ntn is good, then I think it pretty much locks down Mr.W and DaddyTorgo as original Sauron members.

Scanning ntn or daddytorgo either one I think will help us out either eliminate one or the other or find us a bad guy.

And yeah, the bad guys would be really foolish to attack LSG tonight. It was obvious Schmidty guarded her 2 nights ago. I am very suprised they went after Gramm last night and not LSG last night. But I dont mind that too much.

[Alan T]

No, just frusterated that Gramm believed you enough to take his vote off of you 4 days ago. Some sort of head ranger he was.

THats not being very fair to Gramm. I will continue to think not killing thomkal that day helped us more than it hurt us. Perhaps its just my perspective based on what i know this game, but his staying alive and your staying alive this long has been nothing but benefit for us. We're at this point now where THomkal outlived his usefulness. You can disagree with me all you want though.

[Schmidty]

Glad we got Thomkal.

If LSG really is a Sauron baddy, and/or has been converted, we are dead. I'm just saying.

This is nitty-gritty for me. If either of the two most active "honest" players are rotten, we could be toast. My decision tonight is big.

I'll again be taking suggestions; however, I will make it a short (30 minute) suggestion time, because of Abe's bad day.

Speak up now.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm on the side of light. I am just a simple villager. Scan me, clear me and we can move on the others.

[Alan T]

Glad we got Thomkal.

If LSG really is a Sauron baddy, and/or has been converted, we are dead. I'm just saying.

This is nitty-gritty for me. If either of the two most active "honest" players are rotten, we could be toast. My decision tonight is big.

I'll again be taking suggestions; however, I will make it a short (30 minute) suggestion time, because of Abe's bad day.

Speak up now.

I would guard LSG tonight. No reason to guard me as I'm being pretty vocal about my thoughts and you'll have those tommorrow from my posts tonight. And my death will at least give more credence to my thoughts for those sitting on the fence.

[Tyrith]

Glad we got Thomkal.

If LSG really is a Sauron baddy, and/or has been converted, we are dead. I'm just saying.

This is nitty-gritty for me. If either of the two most active "honest" players are rotten, we could be toast. My decision tonight is big.

I'll again be taking suggestions; however, I will make it a short (30 minute) suggestion time, because of Abe's bad day.

Speak up now.

At this point I believe that keeping the rangers alive is almost more important than getting more scans, considering the way our CoTs have been developing. Keep guarding whoever you think might be a ranger in mind.

[Alan T]

I would guard LSG tonight. No reason to guard me as I'm being pretty vocal about my thoughts and you'll have those tommorrow from my posts tonight. And my death will at least give more credence to my thoughts for those sitting on the fence.

To explain why.. I feel there is a 95% or better chance that 2 of the 3 in Mr.W, DaddyTorgo and Ntndeacon are bad. I'll accept that one of the three might be good but I don't honestly know which (even if its ntn). LSG staying alive another night to either clear or condemn one of those three will be a huge help in narrowing down the bad guys at this point.

[Schmidty]

Decision made, and sent.

[Alan T]

Glad we got Thomkal.

If LSG really is a Sauron baddy, and/or has been converted, we are dead. I'm just saying.

This is nitty-gritty for me. If either of the two most active "honest" players are rotten, we could be toast. My decision tonight is big.

I'll again be taking suggestions; however, I will make it a short (30 minute) suggestion time, because of Abe's bad day.

Speak up now.

One other thing.. because of something LSG said about 4 days ago subtly and the way some things have unfolded since then, I have a feeling that LSG is not bad. I'm putting my faith in this right now on what happens the next 3 days as far as figuring out who is who. LIke I said before, LSG could have purposely thrown out that info in a way where only I would have noticed it and bought trust with it just for this specific scenerio.. but the foresight needed for that type of play and the possibility of it ever coming to be just would be tremendously small in my mind.

So the 2 bad guys in the group of Mr.W, DaddyTorgo and Ntndeacon is working on the assumption that she was good and additionally Schmidty was good and not an evil bodyguard protecting another evil member.

So if the bad guys choose to kill me tonight, at least you'll know I'm not blowing smoke about my role or allegiance :)

[ntndeacon]

now you are just trying to get on my good side.. but yeah if thomkal ends up being bad I'll likely be after ntn again tommorrow.

Like you would need him to be bad to go after me tomorrow :)

[ntndeacon]

If we scan ntn and he's good then we kill daddy. If we scan ntn and he's good I will also be highly surprised, considering the information we have available and the way the game has gone.

If she scans me be ready to be surprised

[Grammaticus]

No, just frusterated that Gramm believed you enough to take his vote off of you 4 days ago. Some sort of head ranger he was.

Frankly my dear.......

:cool:

[Mr. Wednesday]

So from Ntndeacon, Mr.Wednesday and DaddyTorgo I assume we will find 2 if not 3 bad guys.
I can offer a personal guarantee that you will find at most two bad guys in that trio. :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

You can be certain that Thomkal did not know that any out of myself, Jonathan, or Schmidty were bad, based on Swaggs's statement. Unfortunately, you can't be certain which (if any) of us he knew were good.

I find his deathbead confession, as it were, interesting because our natural assumption would be that Thomkal was the last of Saruman's band. If that's the case, upon his death, his side can't win the game, so why throw things up in the air for us? Is there another follower of Saruman at hand?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Finally, Alan, I'd like you to spell out in more detail what you've seen that convinces you LSG is good. I'm not sold right now -- and I won't be until she hands up one of Sauron's agents.

For that matter, you're not off the hook now yourself, if we can believe anything Thomkal has said, and everyone else should be using appropriate caution in determining how far to let you lead the discussion.

[Alan T]

Finally, Alan, I'd like you to spell out in more detail what you've seen that convinces you LSG is good. I'm not sold right now -- and I won't be until she hands up one of Sauron's agents.

For that matter, you're not off the hook now yourself, if we can believe anything Thomkal has said, and everyone else should be using appropriate caution in determining how far to let you lead the discussion.

I am not prepared to do that as it would make the night kill targets tonight a bit easier for the bad guys (even if you arent one ofthem). Most of what I say right now is for the 1 or 2 good guys out there who honestly don't know who to believe right now.

[ntndeacon]

I can offer a personal guarantee that you will find at most two bad guys in that trio. :)

I appreciate the support Mr. W :D

[Abe Sargent]

55?

[DaddyTorgo]

just wondering what i've done to fall on your list of untrusted alan? i hope LSG scans me and survives so she can clear me and put you at rest.

we may have someone who was cleared who has since been converted too...we need to keep that in mind

[Abe Sargent]

*Looks over the night actions and dice results*


Hmmm

[Alan T]

just wondering what i've done to fall on your list of untrusted alan? i hope LSG scans me and survives so she can clear me and put you at rest.

we may have someone who was cleared who has since been converted too...we need to keep that in mind

Nothing really. its just there isnt really many people left. I fully accept the possibility that someone I trust might have been converted, but I'm not going to even worry about who that might be yet if there is anyone. There still are at least 2 sauron members who were bad at the start of the game. As best I can tell it has to be among you three. If you are good, then the other two are bad. I have no way to know which is why LSG is important for tonight.

[Alan T]

By the way, I'll be flying in the morning. If I'm still alive I'll be around tommorrow afternoon. I'll check in during the morning for a minute or two before I catch my flight just to see whats up, but I likely wont be a big part of any conversation till later in the day.

[DaddyTorgo]

Nothing really. its just there isnt really many people left. I fully accept the possibility that someone I trust might have been converted, but I'm not going to even worry about who that might be yet if there is anyone. There still are at least 2 sauron members who were bad at the start of the game. As best I can tell it has to be among you three. If you are good, then the other two are bad. I have no way to know which is why LSG is important for tonight.

fair nuff. unless we're wrong about the #'s

[Abe Sargent]

Once again you retire for the night. Another night has fallen and another curtain of doubt and fear comes with it. What will tonight bring.

You are asleep or restless in your respective beds, when you hear it again. Another roar of a giant bear echoes through the town and you immediately leave your houses. After so many restless night, tonight you wore clothes that would immediately allow you to go outside and confront or observe events.

You dash over to a nearby Inn where you see the largest bear you’ve ever seen standing over a body. You can’t tell who it is, because the body is face down. It’s been mangled and bloodied severely and blood is on the paws and jaw of the bear.

The sight affects you severely. After all of the blood and trauma you have experienced, now someone is in front of you. Something tangible that you can see and attack. All of your fears, shame, and guilt coalesce on the bear, and as one you grab tools, draw weapons, and begin to close on the bear.

The bear sits on its haunches and then begins to change. Within a few seconds, standing before you is not a bear, but a man! Lafe Eriksdotter sits on the ground, with the same bloodies spots on his mouth and hands.

He smiles at your warmly as you froze. “Can’t you feel it?” he asks. “It’s gone.”

Coming out of the shadows is Pariel Gildenhoof, one of your own. She confirms that the darkness is gone.

It took much of your soul and all of your innocence, but you have successfully scoured the shadow from Bree. Maybe tomorrow will bring sunshine that, for once, will not need to stave off your darker thoughts. Maybe tomorrow will bring happiness. For now, most of you feel merely hollow and sad at the great loss Bree has endured. Yet, Bree has endured, and that is enough for tonight.


Major Victory to the Rangers and Townsfolk and Beorning.



-Anxiety

[Alan T]

fair nuff. unless we're wrong about the #'s

You think there is a possibility that Sauron's side started with less than 2 people? I figued i was being conservative with that number.

[Alan T]

Lol... well gee I guess I was wrong on the number??

[Izulde]

WHOOHOO!

WE WON!!!!!

[Alan T]

So who was the last bad guy? I thought the good guys were in the driver seat, but I didnt have any idea we were only one night from winning... wow

[Alan T]

By the way nice job Schmidty with the block.. who did you protect? LSG I assume?

[Izulde]

This is so awesome... the very first time I survive more than a few days in a game, I'm part of the winning side! :)

[Abe Sargent]

My personal GM vote for Game MVP goes to DaddyTorgo who was by hismelf on the Sauron Faction since Night Two and did a great job at inserting himself into the good guy circle and was always, until tonight, one step ahead of Schmidty.

[Swaggs]

MVP to Schmidty! :)

[Abe Sargent]

Faction primers to follow

[Abe Sargent]

Rangers:

The original three Rangers were Izulde, AlanT and Grammaticus. Here is their primer:

Ranger Primer:

You are the Rangers of the North. You are here to protect the citizens of Bree, but more importantly, to ferret out the Agents of Darkness and defeat them. You are warriors bred and raised, and have several powers related to this. Each night, the leader of the Rangers must pm the Gamemaster with any Ranger actions taken that night. Each night, the Rangers can take one action as a group.

When choosing an action, a Ranger must be chosen as the actor of the action, in addition to a target. A proper pm might look like this, “Night One, Ranger Action Target”

Rangers may pm each other freely.

Scout – Rangers can scout a player for information about that player. They will find out the player’s official role name, but not faction or side affiliation.

Strike – Once an Agent of Darkness has been found, a Ranger can attack the agent and try to kill him or her at night. A Ranger can attack a suspected Agent, but, if this attack is ever done on a person who not affiliated with the darkness, all Rangers are forced to retreat from Bree and will leave that evening, abandoning Bree and losing the game for the Rangers.



And their roles:

Revlir Hightower – You are the Leader of the Rangers. You are one of the three rangers stationed to assist the town in ridding the town of the scourge of darkness. You have the normal abilities of all Rangers.

As the leader, you must submit any nightly Ranger action to me via pm.

Your distant cousin is one of the Townsfolk of Bree, but you do not know who. Your quest to search for her or him is why you requested assignment to Bree. A Ranger of your skill and experience would normally be more valuable elsewhere. Each night, you can submit a “Search for my Cousin” action and try to locate your cousin. Choose a target, for the pm. (for example, an acceptable pm might read, “Night One, Search for my Cousin on SkyDog.”)

You will be informed by pm if you find him or her.



Danforth III – You are a Ranger. You are one of the three rangers stationed to assist the town in ridding the town of the scourge of darkness. You have the normal abilities of all Rangers.

You are the contact for the local Ranger Sympathizer. Your identity as a Ranger is known to the Ranger Sympathizer, but you do not currently know who he or she is. Each night, you can send me a Message PM no longer than 8 words. That pm will be passed along to the Sympathizer. You may of course, discuss what to put in the message with your fellow Rangers.


Jalen – You are a Ranger. You are the Ranger Marksman. You are one of the three rangers stationed to assist the town in ridding the town of the scourge of darkness. You have the normal abilities of all Rangers.

As an expert at range combat, whenever you are chosen to perform a Ranger action, you can do the action from a distance. This gives you a heightened chance of survival.

[Swaggs]

I'm interested to see what exactly SnDvls was...

[Alan T]

My personal GM vote for Game MVP goes to DaddyTorgo who was by hismelf on the Sauron Faction since Night Two and did a great job at inserting himself into the good guy circle and was always, until tonight, one step ahead of Schmidty.

Just for the record, Izulde and Gramm can back me up on this.. I suspected DaddyTorgo was bad a very long time ago :) We just played it safe to see what roles meant in this game. We came to the conclusion about half way not very much :)

[Abe Sargent]

Agents of Saruman.

The original two where Thomkal and Sublime 2. Here is their primer:

Agents of Saruman Primer:

You are the Agents of Saruman. Unlike those shortsighted Agents of Sauron, your focus is on long term planning and manipulation. Each night, the Agents can make one Night Action from several options. It is the responsibility of the leader of the Agents to pm the Gamemaster during the night what the Saruman Agents are doing with their action.

When choosing a Night Action, in addition to choosing a target, you must also select which Agent of Saruman is going to take the action.

The Agents of Saruman may pm each other freely.

Night Actions:

Dark Conversion – You can target a player, and if they are already on the side of Darkness, they will convert to Saruman’s side. This may only be used twice in the game.

Silent Death – This silent attack is a combination of sorcery, stealth and skill. It takes a lot to prepare and can only be performed every third night. However, it is very effective at killing. It is unavoidable through normal means, even if someone could normally hide or evade the attack. Supernormal means may be effective, however, against this attack.

Quick Death – When a quick attack is called for, you can, if necessary, create a quick attack. With rangers and others out there, you are not comfortable doing this every night, since you fear what failure would bring. It may not work, and it may out one of your Agents, but in an emergency, it is there for you to use.

Manipulate Vote – As a Night Action, you may select someone, and during the following day, you can move that person’s vote to any person you want. The person will know that their vote was changed, but it will only be changed at the deadline, not earlier. They will not normally know who manipulated them.

Disturb Power – Any normal player who has a special power will have that power (typically a Night Action) disrupted for the evening on which you use this power.



And their roles:


Agonar Thistleroot – You are the Keeper of one of the Stables, in town, the Cloven Shoe. When the Black Riders arrived a few days ago, all of your animals were killed or ran away, and now you have no income, no way of making money, and all of your animals that ran away were your investment. Devastated, you have turned to the powers of Darkness. You are an Agent of Saruman.

As an agent of Saruman, you have access to all of the powers of the agents. You have no additional powers or roles.


Antaria Lodestock – You are a local farmer who has long been a secret member of the Agents of Saruman. As an Agent, you have worked long to cultivate Saruman’s power here. You are the leader of the Agents of Saruman. As such, it is your responsibility to pm me each Night with the Agents of Saruman Night Action.

Additionally, as a night action, once per night you can submit a Dark Scrying. Select a person via pm. (“Night One, Dark Scrying SkyDog,” for example, would work.) Then, you will receive, in a pm, what that person’s side affiliation is (Light, Darkness, etc).

[Izulde]

Yep, Alan T is correct in his statement. :)

[Abe Sargent]

Agents of Sauron.


The original two Agents of Sauron were BrianD and DaddyTorgo. Their primer:

Agents of Sauron Primer

You are the Agents of Sauron. Unlike those narrowminded Agents of Saruman, your focus is on quick gain and having fun while doing it. You are all about getting power now. Each night, the Agents can make one Night Action from several options. It is the responsibility of the leader of the Agents to pm the Gamemaster during the night what the Sauron Agents are doing with their action.

When choosing a Night Action, in addition to choosing a target, you must also select which Agent of Sauron is going to take the action.

The Agents of Sauron may pm each other freely.

Night Actions:

Dark Conversion – You can target a player, and if they are already on the side of Darkness, they will convert to Sauron’s side. This may only be used twice in the game.

Vicious Murder – You can target a player and kill that player.

Torture Citizen – You can spend the evening torturing a player. If that player has any information about anything in the game, there is a good chance you will get it. The tortured player will be reported as missing from Bree, and the following night you must give an execute order. Therefore, it essentially takes two nights to torture and kill a player.



And their roles:

Bill Ferny – You are a local farmer and worker of husbandry who is in the service of Sauron. As the leader of the Agents of Sauron in Bree, it is your responsibility to actively ferret out the rangers and try to kill them. You were promoted to the leader of the Agents after conversing with the Black Riders and informing them of Baggins’ location. They gave you the creep, but gained power.

As the leader of the Agents of Sauron, you are required to turn in your faction’s Night Action to me each night. Additionally, as a result of your new role, you have learned a new power.

Each night, in addition to the Agents of Sauron action, you can, as a Night Action, use Dark Intuition on any target (An example of a suitable pm message would be, “Night One, Dark Intuition SkyDog”). You will learn what that person’s side affiliation is (Light, Darkness, etc)


Ventrick the Lost – You are one of the beggars and homeless of Bree. No one has ever given you anything other than table scraps and pity, which you do not want! As a result of your horrid condition, you have turned to service to Sauron, and are one of his Agents.

You are a recent recruit to the Agents of Sauron, and have all of the abilities of an Agent of Sauron, but no additional ones.

[Izulde]

Ahh! So there *was* an evil seer on Saruman 's side, just like I thought!

[Lorena]

Wow, I'm a bit surprised it's over... I wasn't expecting it. So, question as I go to bed, why kill me on night Five?

Great job guys!!

[Abe Sargent]

Neutrals:

SnDvls was a Neutral with the following role:

Antalia Daverheft – You are an Adventurer from abroad. You have holed up in Bree for a while now, preparing to enter and investigate The Barrow Downs. You are neither Light nor Dark, and belong to no faction. Starting on Night One, you can choose to Enter the Barrow Downs. Many things can happen to you down there, including injury or death, so be careful. You will be informed as to what happens each night you choose to Enter the Barrow Downs.

Should you remain unaligned with a side for the entirety of the game, you will gain a major victory if you survive, no matter which side wins.


Here are his rules, unbeknowingst to him:

Explore Barrow Downs:

1 – Die
2 – Injured (May not go again for 1d6 nights)
3 – 4 Find Item
5 – 6 Find Nothing

1 – Convert Good
2 – 5 – Nothing
6 – Convert Evil

Item:

1 – Shield with one safe protect then used
2 – Sword that kills whoever kills you
3 – Gold which you can use to buy a vote – get an extra vote for the rest of the game
4 – Ring that prevents lynching once and then the power is used up
5 – Orb which can be used to seer once and then the power is used
6 – Amulet which allows you to now if you are scanned and choose what you want to scan as.

[Abe Sargent]

Other Un-Aligned:


I had one Darkness unaligned:


Silvos – You are Silvos, the Dark Adept. You are an Agent of Darkness, but are currently aligned with neither Sauron nor Saruman. On Night Three, if still alive, you must, as a Night Action, send me a pm choosing whether to join Sauron’s cause or Saruman’s. At that time, you will learn the powers of your masters and be initiated into their service.


And one Light unaligned, ties with the Neutral Adventurer for my favorite role:

Lafe Eriksdotter – You are a Beorning. Beorn is a great man whose ancestry is lost in time. Beorn learned the art of skin-shifting into a Bear and is a great leader of many men, including his own descendants and locals. He has taught a few of you the art of skin-shifting, including yourself. You are on the side of Light, but are neither townsfolk nor ranger.

You were returning from a trade mission from the Elves of Lindon and were staying the night in Bree when the Black Riders came through. Your heightened sense of smell noted the continued presence of darkness in the town. You have chosen to remain here to assist the locals in ridding the taint from their streets forever.

Each night, as a Night Action, you can skinshift and Protect a person. You will need to submit a pm to me telling me who you want to protect. (Night One, Protect SkyDog). While Protecting someone, they will be immune to harm. You will attack any servants of darkness that come to disturb the one you protect. You might even wound or kill the Agents of Darkness. You can sense if someone wants to see your ward for the evening with good intentions, and will let them by with you unseen. Only darkness will be stopped. Because you be in the form of a bear, you may be able to identify any Agents, but they will be unable to identify you.

Because of your ability, you can easily handle people. If you are lynched, instead of dying, you will skinshift, knock around some townsfolk, and leave the city to its fate.

As long as you are alive, you need three Agents of Darkness to Overwhelm you and win the game. You may not reveal this last piece of information about taking three Agents to succumb to the group, since you know Agents of Darkness are out there and refuse to reveal any weakness, as Beorn taught you.

[Alan T]

Yep, Alan T is correct in his statement. :)

I think we scanned DaddyTorgo night 2.. the information we got from our scans were so unhelpful though we didnt want to act on it and just let him sit to see how things went. The big mistake I made was we assumed at least 2 more bad guys. So with that assumption we figured ntn and Mr.W had to likely be bad as well.. didn't think there would only be 1 of the 3 bad.

[Abe Sargent]

And the Townsfolk roles:



Barliman Butterbur: You are Barliman Butterbur, the keeper of the Inn of the Prancing Pony and one of the Townsfolk of Bree. You are the one who met Mr. Underhill, the ranger Strider, and eventually remembered to give Gandalf’s letter, introducing Strider and sending the hobbits and the ranger off after helping with the Black Riders.

After they’ve gone, you have become one of the town leaders in attempting to excise the obvious wound of darkness in the village. You have begun to use your contacts and years of running the Inn to other purposes.

One per night, no more than every other night, you may submit a person’s name and post number to determine if that person is telling the truth or not. You may only submit a person’s post if it occurred during that day’s actions. If multiple statements are made, you will need to specify which statement you are investigating.

For example, suppose SkyDog made the following post:

Post Number 197:

I am neither an Agent of Sauron, nor of Saruman. I am a mere townfolk.

If you wanted to use you ability that night to investigate the truth of SkyDog’s claim, you could, but there are three separate claims of fact here. You will need to inform me which claim you are interested in. When you pm me, you could say:

Night One Action – Investigate SkyDog’s post, 197, where he says that he is a mere townsfolk.

That would be sufficient.


Nob: You are Nob, a hobbit Servant of Barliman Butterbur in the Inn of the Prancing Pony. You are one of the Townsfolk of Bree. As a hobbit, you are a slippery little fellow. At night, if you are the target of any action, there is an even chance of you being elsewhere or successfully hiding from whoever is looking for you. You are a bit paranoid, so you will automatically try to hide from anybody who searched for you at night, even someone you know and trust.

You do not need to tell me to use this ability, but you can, as a Night Action, choose not to hide from anyone, if you so desire.


Hob: You are Hob, a Stableworker, hobbit servant of Barliman Butterbur in the Inn of the Prancing Pony. You are one of the Townsfolk of Bree. As a hobbit, you are a slippery little fellow. At night, if you are the target of any action, there is an even chance of you being elsewhere or successfully hiding from whoever is looking for you. You are a bit paranoid, so you will automatically try to hide from anybody who searched for you at night, even someone you know and trust.

You do not need to tell me to use this ability, but you can, as a Night Action, choose not to hide from anyone, if you so desire.


Sirrion Huddlestump – You are a member of the Town Guard. You are one of the Townsfolk of Bree. You are the husband of Flawuria Huddlestump, so you know, that, at the beginning of the game, she is completely on the side of light, although who knows what darkness lays in front of the city or your family. You love Flawuria so much that you are not sure what would happen if she were to die.


Flawuria Huddlestump – You are a member of the Townsfolk of Bree. You are the wife of Sirron Huddlestump, so you know, that, at the beginning of the game, he is completely on the side of light, although who knows what darkness lays in front of the city or your family. You love Sirrion so much that you are not sure what would happen if he were to die.

Tavin – You are a local Propriator of the General Store. You are aligned with light and the Townsfolk of Bree. You sell various goods from your shop to everybody, bit you are too engrossed in your work to really get involved in the town. You have no additional responsibilities.


Canae Hightower – You are a member of the Townsfolk of Bree. You are the local Miller. You do not know where your family came from, having been found in a local village as a babe. As far as you, you have no special powers or role.


Valen Gutters – You are one of the Townsfolk of Bree. You are a bit crazy and you sometimes talk to yourself. This gives you a reputation as the local Crazy Person. You are wholly unremarkable in every way. Except you sometimes think you are a hobbit, much to the amusement of actual hobbits have your size.


Celestia Avenspring – You are a local Farmer. In addition to belonging to the Townsfolk of Bree, you also specialize in growing Peppers. You are a simple Farmer.


Anya Thistledown – You are a Tomato Farmer on the outskirts of Bree, but you still are considered one of the Townsfolk of Bree. You are just a humble farmer.


Astard Varn – You are one of the Townsfolk of Bree. You are a Descendant of the Lossoth, the people of the far north who live in the Weathered Heath and Forochel. You still have a bit of their dark hair and dark eyes. You have no additional abilities or roles.


Grum Rumblebelly – You are one of the Townsfolk of Bree. You are an old dwarf, who has retired in Bree after a life of minor adventures. You are the local Storyteller. Other than regaling young children with stories of dragons and your youth, you have no abilities.


Imelda – You are Imelda Francis, the Bree Herbalist. You are a member of the Townsfolk of Bree. You own and operate the Mortar and Pestle, a local apothecary. As a result of your abilities and supplies, you can help out with the wounded and with healing. Whenever someone dies as a result of a Night Action, as long as you are alive, there is a small chance of their complete recovery. This chance is doubled for yourself, should you die as the result of a night action. This ability will not work for people who are lynched.


Pariel Gildenhoof – You are Pariel Gildenhoof, the local Onieromancer. You have kept your powers a secret from the others, because you know that they would scorn you and possibly exile you from Bree should they find out, and you have a two year old child to care for.

Once a night, as a Night Action, you can choose to Dreamwalk a person. You will designate that you are doing so by pm’ing me. (i.e., “Night One, Dreamwalk SkyDog”) As a result of your action, you will know a person’s side (light or dark) and faction, if any. You will not be able to uncover any special roles or abilities they might have.


Senethal Sidesword – You are the Ranger Sympathizer. You are a member of the Townsfolk of Bree, since you are one of the local guardsmen. As a Ranger Sympathizer, you help and assist them in the town, but this is not known to the townfolk. As such, at the beginning of the game you know who one of the Rangers is, (and can even be given messages by the Rangers. However, you cannot communicate with the Rangers through pm in any way, you can only receive their messages.

[Abe Sargent]

And the Townsfolk roles:



Barliman Butterbur: You are Barliman Butterbur, the keeper of the Inn of the Prancing Pony and one of the Townsfolk of Bree. You are the one who met Mr. Underhill, the ranger Strider, and eventually remembered to give Gandalf’s letter, introducing Strider and sending the hobbits and the ranger off after helping with the Black Riders.

After they’ve gone, you have become one of the town leaders in attempting to excise the obvious wound of darkness in the village. You have begun to use your contacts and years of running the Inn to other purposes.

One per night, no more than every other night, you may submit a person’s name and post number to determine if that person is telling the truth or not. You may only submit a person’s post if it occurred during that day’s actions. If multiple statements are made, you will need to specify which statement you are investigating.

For example, suppose SkyDog made the following post:

Post Number 197:

I am neither an Agent of Sauron, nor of Saruman. I am a mere townfolk.

If you wanted to use you ability that night to investigate the truth of SkyDog’s claim, you could, but there are three separate claims of fact here. You will need to inform me which claim you are interested in. When you pm me, you could say:

Night One Action – Investigate SkyDog’s post, 197, where he says that he is a mere townsfolk.

That would be sufficient.


Nob: You are Nob, a hobbit Servant of Barliman Butterbur in the Inn of the Prancing Pony. You are one of the Townsfolk of Bree. As a hobbit, you are a slippery little fellow. At night, if you are the target of any action, there is an even chance of you being elsewhere or successfully hiding from whoever is looking for you. You are a bit paranoid, so you will automatically try to hide from anybody who searched for you at night, even someone you know and trust.

You do not need to tell me to use this ability, but you can, as a Night Action, choose not to hide from anyone, if you so desire.


Hob: You are Hob, a Stableworker, hobbit servant of Barliman Butterbur in the Inn of the Prancing Pony. You are one of the Townsfolk of Bree. As a hobbit, you are a slippery little fellow. At night, if you are the target of any action, there is an even chance of you being elsewhere or successfully hiding from whoever is looking for you. You are a bit paranoid, so you will automatically try to hide from anybody who searched for you at night, even someone you know and trust.

You do not need to tell me to use this ability, but you can, as a Night Action, choose not to hide from anyone, if you so desire.


Sirrion Huddlestump – You are a member of the Town Guard. You are one of the Townsfolk of Bree. You are the husband of Flawuria Huddlestump, so you know, that, at the beginning of the game, she is completely on the side of light, although who knows what darkness lays in front of the city or your family. You love Flawuria so much that you are not sure what would happen if she were to die.


Flawuria Huddlestump – You are a member of the Townsfolk of Bree. You are the wife of Sirron Huddlestump, so you know, that, at the beginning of the game, he is completely on the side of light, although who knows what darkness lays in front of the city or your family. You love Sirrion so much that you are not sure what would happen if he were to die.

Tavin – You are a local Propriator of the General Store. You are aligned with light and the Townsfolk of Bree. You sell various goods from your shop to everybody, bit you are too engrossed in your work to really get involved in the town. You have no additional responsibilities.


Canae Hightower – You are a member of the Townsfolk of Bree. You are the local Miller. You do not know where your family came from, having been found in a local village as a babe. As far as you, you have no special powers or role.


Valen Gutters – You are one of the Townsfolk of Bree. You are a bit crazy and you sometimes talk to yourself. This gives you a reputation as the local Crazy Person. You are wholly unremarkable in every way. Except you sometimes think you are a hobbit, much to the amusement of actual hobbits have your size.


Celestia Avenspring – You are a local Farmer. In addition to belonging to the Townsfolk of Bree, you also specialize in growing Peppers. You are a simple Farmer.


Anya Thistledown – You are a Tomato Farmer on the outskirts of Bree, but you still are considered one of the Townsfolk of Bree. You are just a humble farmer.


Astard Varn – You are one of the Townsfolk of Bree. You are a Descendant of the Lossoth, the people of the far north who live in the Weathered Heath and Forochel. You still have a bit of their dark hair and dark eyes. You have no additional abilities or roles.


Grum Rumblebelly – You are one of the Townsfolk of Bree. You are an old dwarf, who has retired in Bree after a life of minor adventures. You are the local Storyteller. Other than regaling young children with stories of dragons and your youth, you have no abilities.


Imelda – You are Imelda Francis, the Bree Herbalist. You are a member of the Townsfolk of Bree. You own and operate the Mortar and Pestle, a local apothecary. As a result of your abilities and supplies, you can help out with the wounded and with healing. Whenever someone dies as a result of a Night Action, as long as you are alive, there is a small chance of their complete recovery. This chance is doubled for yourself, should you die as the result of a night action. This ability will not work for people who are lynched.


Pariel Gildenhoof – You are Pariel Gildenhoof, the local Onieromancer. You have kept your powers a secret from the others, because you know that they would scorn you and possibly exile you from Bree should they find out, and you have a two year old child to care for.

Once a night, as a Night Action, you can choose to Dreamwalk a person. You will designate that you are doing so by pm’ing me. (i.e., “Night One, Dreamwalk SkyDog”) As a result of your action, you will know a person’s side (light or dark) and faction, if any. You will not be able to uncover any special roles or abilities they might have.


Senethal Sidesword – You are the Ranger Sympathizer. You are a member of the Townsfolk of Bree, since you are one of the local guardsmen. As a Ranger Sympathizer, you help and assist them in the town, but this is not known to the townfolk. As such, at the beginning of the game you know who one of the Rangers is, (and can even be given messages by the Rangers. However, you cannot communicate with the Rangers through pm in any way, you can only receive their messages.

[Schmidty]

Woot!!!

Tyrith, thank you so much for your last post:

At this point I believe that keeping the rangers alive is almost more important than getting more scans, considering the way our CoTs have been developing. Keep guarding whoever you think might be a ranger in mind.

It sounded so vague and innocent, and that was what I was looking for.

I got lucky!!!!! :D

[DaddyTorgo]

GOSH DARN YOU SCHMIDTY!!! I figured I had to take out LSG or Tyrith tonight and I thought Schmidty had been swayed to protect LSG in order to get her viewing through on tomorrow to narrow things down so I figured I had a shot at Tyrith and taking out another ranger tonight.

GRRRR. bad play by me. I should have gone with my initial thought, which was going after Jon tonight.

FWIW...I acquired an amulet on night 2, so I would have scryed as a normal townsfolk on the light side to LSG.

[Tyrith]

YES! MY ABILITY TO GET ATTACKED MEANS I'M AN ALL-STAR!

[Abe Sargent]

DaddyTorgo would have gone farther if LSG has just scanned him.

SnDvls had found, that night, the Amulet of Obfuscation, and that allowed him to choose what to be scanned as. I gave DT a 50/50 chance of discovering the amulet when he killed SnDvls, and he passed. He choose to scan as Light/Townsfolk, but was never scanned by LSG.

[Alan T]

Wow.. so with 3 rangers left and schmidty, it would require 8 evil guys to have won not even counting the other villagers alive on the last day.. we were even better off than I thought when we pulled the trigger on thomkal

[DaddyTorgo]

Wow, I'm a bit surprised it's over... I wasn't expecting it. So, question as I go to bed, why kill me on night Five?

Great job guys!!

just random really. needed to off someone, wanted to stay away from people who might be protected, and as i alluded, thought i might hit a ranger

[Izulde]

I have to say, I was really sweating it there when it looked like I was going to be lynched that one night... and I'm really surprised the Dark sides never tried attacking me. :)

[Alan T]

DaddyTorgo would have gone farther if LSG has just scanned him.

SnDvls had found, that night, the Amulet of Obfuscation, and that allowed him to choose what to be scanned as. I gave DT a 50/50 chance of discovering the amulet when he killed SnDvls, and he passed. He choose to scan as Light/Townsfolk, but was never scanned by LSG.

That would really have messed us up if that had happened. I assumed there were at least 2 sauron guys.. so DT showing up good would have pushed me to going after Mr.W and ntn moreso. THen with them good, my only option left would had been LSG..

Guess Schmidty really is the mvp.

[Alan T]

I hear by proclaim that schmidty no longer can claim to be the world's worst WW player :)

[Tyrith]

Great game everyone.

This afternoon was interesting...I had to convince Alan to lynch Thomkal :) Stupid BS reveal kept us going for days, nice job Thomkal on being just brave enough and giving just enough hints to stop us from killing you :P

Although we would have gotten you _eventually_ daddy, after we killed ntn...and mr.w...and lsg...

[DaddyTorgo]

grrrr...i misplayed that end. shoulda stayed away from tyrith AND lsg on this night instead of picking one.

if you suspected me rangers, why not move on me earlier? and i figured i would start to draw a little heat, but i was really hoping LSG would scan me and clear me for everyone.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, I got pm questons about this and expect it to be aasked here, so here goes:

What happens when AofSaurman uses a planned, magical kill against a target that Schmidity guards? Magic on Magic?

50/50 chance they use magic to sneak past Schmidty and get the kill off. Schmidity won this roll:

50/50 chance that the sorcery will Schmidty or that his body in ursine form wil fight it off. Schmidty won this roll

Then the normal chances:

50/50 that the attacker will be injured/killed or escape. Sublime 2 won this roll. DT failed last night. Then a 50/50 roll to see if injured or dead. Schmidty won this roll tonight and killed DT. If injured, unable to take a NA for 1d6 nights

50/50 that Schmidity will ID attacker if esacpes. Schmidty won this roll against Sublime, but actually failed against DT, so did not know who he killed under post-death.

[Abe Sargent]

Interesting - BrianD recommended not to disrupt or kill LSG ont eh night she scanned him, thinking that DT would. DT ended up offing DC choosing to stay far away from revealed seers. If the agents of Saruman has disrupted LSG and preevnted the Brain scan, or just killed LSG (Schmidty was elsehwere that night) BrainD is never outed and teh fall of Saruman's agenst is delayed for a while.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, I'll check back in a few to see if you had any other questions.


I LOVED hosting this game and you guys were great. It was a grteat game from a pm and public perspective, and I wanted to thank each of the original 25 plus DC for stepping in there early.

-Abe

[DaddyTorgo]

Great game everyone.

This afternoon was interesting...I had to convince Alan to lynch Thomkal :) Stupid BS reveal kept us going for days, nice job Thomkal on being just brave enough and giving just enough hints to stop us from killing you :P

Although we would have gotten you _eventually_ daddy, after we killed ntn...and mr.w...and lsg...

but my endgame was going to play like this: kill you tonight tyrith, then get LSG to scan and clear me, knock off izulde or alan or jon as you two went after NTN and weds. and that would have the numbers down pretty well.

unfortunately i got nabbed tonight.

i found this game REALLY hard on me though, as Brian tried to kill Thom on night 2 and got converted so I was all by myself the entire game making all the "violent" night kills and fearing that the saruman side would move on me at any moment.

[Alan T]

grrrr...i misplayed that end. shoulda stayed away from tyrith AND lsg on this night instead of picking one.

if you suspected me rangers, why not move on me earlier? and i figured i would start to draw a little heat, but i was really hoping LSG would scan me and clear me for everyone.

I think I suspected you moreso than Izulde and Gramm did. THe problem we had was you were a very early scan for us, and your role came back not good, but not bad.. we were left scratching our heads without knowing for sure what it meant. I still felt you were likely bad, but we had no way to prove it to non-rangers without totally outing ourselves way too early. So we just sat on the information and kept gathering more info.

By a few days later we realized the info we received about roles wern't going to tell us much at all for the majority of people. The most sinister Role description we got back was actually the one for LSG, but we felt for the most part she was likely telling the truth. We basically played more passively than anything (weird sounding as vocal as I was) and mainly tried to steer people away from lynching possible important roles so we could nail down our CoT.

Big things for us along the way were:

-Gramm figuring out who his cousin was so we could convert Tyrith in to the rangers.
-Us figuring out day 2 that Jonathan was the ranger sympathizer.

We had a 5 person CoT fairly early in the game which gave us the ability to take good risks on other votes. We knew from Swaggs' role he was likely good and same thing when Schmidty came out.

At the end we really had it down to a handful of people that could be the bad guys

[Schmidty]

I hear by proclaim that schmidty no longer can claim to be the world's worst WW player :)

No that is, and always shall be, my official title. :)

[Tyrith]

but my endgame was going to play like this: kill you tonight tyrith, then get LSG to scan and clear me, knock off izulde or alan or jon as you two went after NTN and weds. and that would have the numbers down pretty well.

unfortunately i got nabbed tonight.

i found this game REALLY hard on me though, as Brian tried to kill Thom on night 2 and got converted so I was all by myself the entire game making all the "violent" night kills and fearing that the saruman side would move on me at any moment.

With the numbers in this game there wasn't really a way they could ever move on you without screwing themselves. I honestly expected there to be two more bad guys than there were.

[Alan T]

Just a note to Jonathan, I already told Tyrith, but we never told you about Tyrith and never told Tyrith about you just in case of the small chance one of you two got converted along the way. We wanted a safe guard to protect the good guys from corruption on the inside. I know my PM messages to you got rather uninformative about midgame.. we just got to a point where we were working on figuring out which seer was which and trying to bring Tyrith over to our side.

[Abe Sargent]

By a few days later we realized the info we received about roles wern't going to tell us much at all for the majority of people. The most sinister Role description we got back was actually the one for LSG, but we felt for the most part she was likely telling the truth.




Oneiromancer - one who divines or reads meanings into dreams.


If that doesn't scream, I'm the seer....


:)



-Anxiety

[Swaggs]

DT, did you kill me because you knew I would check your statement for truth the following day?