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[Izulde]

Just so that everyone knows this before they jump to a bunch of conclusions, I was out Monday night when the switch to lynch Scoobz happened. I was out bowling from 7:30~10. So, I wasn't around to change my vote.

Fair enough, though I still have my eye on you.... just less so now.

[Schmidty]

I'm not sure this is a fair statement. I think this is my 5th - 7th game with you. I'm well aware of it, but even if you get super defensive I am curious to why you lumped me in with Dodgerchick just for asking questions of you. I notice instead of answering my question you changed subjects instead and made a sideshow of it.

Oh great. I'm going to get picked apart now. Joy.

I lumped you in there because of your post on the last page regarding my response to DC's vote. Maybe I shouldn't have, but I've seen you subtley point your finger at someone too many times to not be defensive about it.

When you start doing the semi-accusitory "question thing", and the sly "I noticed" this or that, I get scared. You're a lot like hoopsguy in that way.

I'm not accusing you of anything, but I just never feel safe when you mention me. You're like the Eye of Sauron - it's better to stay out of your gaze. :)

[SnDvls]

SnDvls - 68 - Wow, I didn't realize he had this many posts. Well, he's splattered now, so it doesn't matter.



gee thanks :D

[Alan T]

Oh great. I'm going to get picked apart now. Joy.

I lumped you in there because of your post on the last page regarding my response to DC's vote. Maybe I shouldn't have, but I've seen you subtley point your finger at someone too many times to not be defensive about it.

When you start doing the semi-accusitory "question thing", and the sly "I noticed" this or that, I get scared. You're a lot like hoopsguy in that way.

I'm not accusing you of anything, but I just never feel safe when you mention me. You're like the Eye of Sauron - it's better to stay out of your gaze. :)

So I haven't played enough with you yet to notice how defensive you get once attacked, but we have played enough for you to pick up the subtle things I have done as a wolf in the past? :)

For the record, I actually can't remember a game where you were bad. Just always remember never having any clue about you any game because you always make me think you're bad how UtR you are. So I don't even know if I remember what you are like when a wolf.

[Schmidty]

So I haven't played enough with you yet to notice how defensive you get once attacked, but we have played enough for you to pick up the subtle things I have done as a wolf in the past? :)

Oh crap. It's the question thing. I'm screwed.

[Alan T]

Oh crap. It's the question thing. I'm screwed.

For better or worse, whichever side you are on I'm glad you are playing again.

You make me laugh :)

[Lorena]

If you and AlanT lead a charge to lynch me and succeed, you will look terrible, and my fellow citizens of Bree will be much, much weaker.

As far as my voting record, I don't think it's fair to pick on my day 1 vote, since everyone was randomly voting because of the normal day 1 lack of evidence. The only thing that you have to go on is 1 vote - Chief Rum. So saying that my "voting history" is bad, is an overstatement. I wasn't the first one to vote for him, and really had nothing else to go on, so I voted for him. Obviously, it was a mistake, but to say that it's truly incriminating is silly.

I know that although we don't have a lot to go on at this point, and that voting for me seems as good as voting for anyone else, I reiterate that you would be making a big mistake (unless you are bad yourself).

LOL, me leading a charge to get someone voted off? Heh, I don't think I've ever done that. I've thrown some stuff out there, but more often than not, it's taken as a grain of salt.

Yeah, well, we have nothing else to go on so I looked at something that stood out. Besides, this is the first time I've had the privilege of playing with you so I have no clue what you're playing style is like.

Alright, with that said, now that I have my little spreadsheet updated with votes and notes, I'll be off for a few.

[Schmidty]

For better or worse, whichever side you are on I'm glad you are playing again.

You make me laugh :)

I'm glad to be back. I just hope I can stick around long enough to enjoy the game, and to be able to help Bree. :)

[Grammaticus]

Spleen I was doing the same thing you were. I thought Lathum’s idea of looking at who did not vote on the vote getters was a decent Idea.

People I saw, who did not vote CR or Lathum on day 2.
Tyrith - who voted for Swaggs after saying Lathum was his most suspicious
Blade – who votes AlanT
CR – who voted Saldana. CR was lynched and turned up good
SnDvl – who voted st.cronin. SnDvl is dead as night kill

That leaves Tyrigh and Blade. I don’t think going the Blade route is good. I’d like to know more about his role, because I too thought it sounded like a Gollum type role. I’m leaning toward thinking he has a neutral type role that may have something more to it. I think we need to keep him around for now.

I think Tyrith’s play moving off Lathum and voting Swaggs after saying Lathum is very suspicious makes no sense, other than not to have a vote on anyone in the race. You see at that point Lathum was off the hood and CR was the only real candidate with an actual possibility that he would not get lynched. So Tyrith threw a vote away or buried it. Roll that into the fact he stayed out of the vote getters on day one and it looks like a throw away two days in a row. Add to that the fact he keeps suggesting no lynch until we have more info…

Right now I think my most suspicious is

VOTE TYRITH

[Grammaticus]

BTW, I can move my vote elsewhere if something better comes along. I do like the UTR approach when information is limited, for what it’s worth.

[st.cronin]

The Tyrith votes intrigue me.

[Schmidty]

LOL, me leading a charge to get someone voted off? Heh, I don't think I've ever done that. I've thrown some stuff out there, but more often than not, it's taken as a grain of salt.

Yeah, well, we have nothing else to go on so I looked at something that stood out. Besides, this is the first time I've had the privilege of playing with you so I have no clue what you're playing style is like.

Alright, with that said, now that I have my little spreadsheet updated with votes and notes, I'll be off for a few.

I'm glad to get the chance to play with you too. I really wish Ant would play. (Why doesn't he?)

As far as my play-style, I'm pretty much terrible. I don't have the ability to be sneaky or subtle because I wear my emotions on my sleeve so much, and I'm not very good at picking things apart or analyzing posts. I generally play on "feel", which gets me in trouble a lot of times. All of those things combined always seem to make me look like a bad guy, no matter what my role.

[Tyrith]

How do you all keep saying I BURIED MY VOTE YESTERDAY? Do you think I would be so stupid as to think that I could move a vote off the LOSING candidate and make it _less_ noticable? The sheer fact that we're talking about it now means I must have done a real terrible job if that was my goal. And the vote wasn't thrown away because it was on Lathum until it was too late.

And the whole no lynch thing....guys, you KNOW I've fought that policy before while I have been a good guy. If you use that as an excuse for killing me you're either underinformed (perfectly okay, I'm teling you here), dense (not so much), or a wolf.

[Tyrith]

The Tyrith votes intrigue me.

I find it interesting that the UTRs are the ones leading the charge -- my idea actually worked, for once. Now you can evaluate if they should die tomorrow, if they get their wish. I'd usually say first man in is good if they're targeting a villager, but seeing that I made myself the best candidate today spleen could be taking a risk as a bad guy. It's kind of early for that kind of thing, though. I'm counting on you and Alan to avenge me, if one or both of you is good :)

[Lorena]

I'm glad to get the chance to play with you too. I really wish Ant would play. (Why doesn't he?)

Well, we have a little thing with WW. He thinks I suck because more often than not, I vote for the wrong people. Actually, come to think of it, I've yet to vote for a wolf... wow! Anyway, I challenged him to play and he said if I finish one of his books, he'll jump in. So I'm working on it.

He thinks this game is easy... heh, I'm curious to see how well he does.

Anyway, I should get back to my son.

[DaddyTorgo]

grrrrr....half an hour for me to vote. my thoughts in no particular order

Tyrith: suspicious for the Lathum vote-switch, although Cronin finding that vote suspicious gives me great pause
KWhit: very very quiet
ntndeacon: if we're cleaning out the dead wood, what about this guy?

[Thomkal]

Just trying to break up the votes in any kind of patterns that i can find.
(607) Kwhit votes Lathum (6)

The ending we had Izulde moving his vote to be a participant in the lynch and Dodgerchick putting the last vote on to cinch the lynch. We also see Kwhit do last minute flipflopping which to me seemed quite odd, but I already had distrust of Kwhit before this move.


(738) Izulde UNVOTES Blade (0) ***
(738) Izulde votes Chief Rum (11)
(752) Dodgerchick votes Chief Rum (12)
(758) Kwhit UNVOTES Lathum (6) ***
(758) Kwhit votes Chief Rum (13)
(765) Kwhit UNVOTES Chief Rum (12) ***
(765) Kwhit votes Lathum (7)

Thanks Alan for this bit of analysis. I too had found KWhit's flip flopping of votes to be a bit strange. What's the story here KWhit?

[DaddyTorgo]

also on my radar:
Izulde: fond of throwing things out with little explanation, only other time i saw him doing this he was a wolf.

[Thomkal]

Whoops, upon closer inspection, Thomkal voted for Scoobz, my bad.



The first vote of the day was post #126 and the last vote was post #388. Mr. Wednesday's vote was #341 (which was closer towards the end), Schmidty's vote was #301, and spleen was #180.

I dunno, I see it more as they were throwing their vote onto someone they figured was on the side of the light instead of voting for a fellow baddie.

Thanks for correcting this Dodgerchick, I was going to have to yell at you. :)

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm backing off tyrith a bit...i don't think he's the BEST option...I'm with Thomkal, I want to see some more explanation from KWhit.

In the absence of any explanation or better thoughts, in 25 minutes before i head off to work until after-lynch I plan on voting KWhit and will be unable to change.

[Tyrith]

I'll take this as I go, but I now have a new leading suspect.


Roll that into the fact he stayed out of the vote getters on day one and it looks like a throw away two days in a row.


If you would note, I have no posts between sometime around maybe 530 CST Monday (possibly an hour earlier) until after 10 CST Monday. You want to know why? I was out that evening. Meaning I wasn't around to see the giant horde develop onto scoobz, so I couldn't change my vote.

Your arguments against me are mostly rehashes of other arguments made previously that are misinterpretations of my actions. For the first guy those could just be accidental, but I already laid out my response, and you chose to ignore it. Furthermore, if you want to talk about throwaway votes, your vote yesterday was right in the middle of the CR votes, and you did it for no other reason than getting a majority. The perfect place to hide if you're trying to lynch a good guy but you don't want to stick your neck out at all. The Jonathan-Thomkal-Gram-spleen group makes me suspicious because of the way the lynch went down yesterday, with people voting early just so we have a lynch. Furthermore, today you weren't the first man in, which is traditionally the most risky spot for a wolf to make a play, but the third man in, which is where major voting movements get started. That means you get to be the number one man Gram. If I die today please guys, come back to this post.

VOTE GRAMMATICUS

[spleen1015]

I'm starting to believe that Tyirth may be good. He is saying things that I don't think a wolf would say when trying to defend himself.

Things have gotten a little interesting this afternoon.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

The Jonathan-Thomkal-Gram-spleen group makes me suspicious because of the way the lynch went down yesterday, with people voting early just so we have a lynch.

I can't speak for the others, but my first two final votes have been to get a lynch. I had no beef with Scoobz (other than not showing up) or CR, but I felt like it was important to get the lynch. Now, however, I'm starting to lean more towards voting just for those I think are evil and not worrying about the lynch.

[Grammaticus]

Okay, Tyrith why did you go to Swaggs after saying Lathum was very suspicious and your vote was actually sitting on Lathum? Then, you just moved it over to swaggs where it was a one vote deal

[Tyrith]

I can't speak for the others, but my first two final votes have been to get a lynch. I had no beef with Scoobz (other than not showing up) or CR, but I felt like it was important to get the lynch. Now, however, I'm starting to lean more towards voting just for those I think are evil and not worrying about the lynch.

I think there has to be a good balance. Thinking today has made me object a lot less to yesterday's lynch than I was (now it's mainly D1 that ticks me off). And I can understand wanting to get a lynch. However, if you're a wolf trying to hide, that's a really easy way to do it.

[Tyrith]

Okay, Tyrith why did you go to Swaggs after saying Lathum was very suspicious and your vote was actually sitting on Lathum? Then, you just moved it over to swaggs where it was a one vote deal

I believe I have mentioned this multiple times, but I'll do it again. Lathum wasn't going to get lynched, and Swaggs arguments about how much the Day 1 vote record mattered were really ticking me off at the time. So I put a vote into him to try to stir up talking about it, since the vote wasn't gonna do much good where it was.

[Alan T]

I believe I have mentioned this multiple times, but I'll do it again. Lathum wasn't going to get lynched, and Swaggs arguments about how much the Day 1 vote record mattered were really ticking me off at the time. So I put a vote into him to try to stir up talking about it, since the vote wasn't gonna do much good where it was.

For whatever its worth, I think the voting record shows that when you moved off of Lathum it still was close enough that the late voters who voted just to make sure there was a lynch could have still had a choice had you not moved at the time.

Also for the record I do think there is something to be said about the day 1 votes, and I personally think everyone who has just written off that no one dark or light knew Scoobz allegiance before we know what exactly is posted on the death of a bad guy seems really suspicious to me. I've argued this point many times.

I am leaning to thinking Lathum is likely good today so didn't put alot of weight into your moving off of him like you did earlier today (why would you move off of a good guy like that in that situation if you are bad?) However your leaning on your statements as fact and questioning people who have issues with it are making you hypocritical and guilty of doing exactly what you accused Lathum of doing yesterday to your questions of him.

I guess your defense here about those "facts" which to me don't seem facts are more suspicious than the actions themselves.

[DaddyTorgo]

hmmm....vote tyrith or vote kwhit...3 minutes to decide

[Alan T]

And proof of what I am talking about in regards to Tyrith, lets recap the vote where he and Mr.W both moved off of Lathum:


(704) Tyrith UNVOTES Lathum (6) ***
(704) Tyrith votes Swaggs (1)
(707) BrianD UNVOTES Spleen (0) ***
(707) BrianD votes Lathum (7)
(708) Mr.Wednesday UNVOTES Lathum (6) ***
(708) Mr.Wednesday votes Chief Rum (10)
(712) DaddyTorgo votes Lathum (7)
(738) Izulde UNVOTES Blade (0) ***
(738) Izulde votes Chief Rum (11)
(752) Dodgerchick votes Chief Rum (12)
(758) Kwhit UNVOTES Lathum (6) ***
(758) Kwhit votes Chief Rum (13)
(765) Kwhit UNVOTES Chief Rum (12) ***
(765) Kwhit votes Lathum (7)

Chief Rum 9 Lathum 7

Tyrith unvotes lathum, votes Swaggs = Chief Rum 9, Lathum 6
Brian unvotes Spleen, votes Lathum = Chief Rum 9, Lathum 7 (could have been 9-8)
Mr.Wednesday unvotes Lathum, votes Chief rum = Chief Rum 10, Lathum 6
Daddy Torgot votes Lathum = Chief Rum 10, Lathum 7 (could have been 9-9)


We will ignore Kwhit's moving around at the end as it doesn't really take place here. As we can see if Tyrith and Mr.W had NOT moved off, it would have been 9-9 at this point. Izulde later moved his vote to Chief, and Dodgerchick was the only one left to vote. This alone could have made it 11-9 Chief over Lathum, 11-9 Lathum over Chief or 10-10 tie with time for people to move votes if need be to ensure a lynch if they really wanted to.

it also would have left things tight to the end to see who was willing to move a vote to save someone in case Chief was bad (which Tyrith if good had no evidence of either way).

With Tyrith and Mr.W moving their votes the way they did, it not only made sure Chief would get lynched, it also made sure there would not be any need for anyone else to move votes to save someone or lynch someone later.

So while I am still sticking with my desire to not put a vote on you Tyrith because Im thinking Lathum likely is good, and if both Chief and Lathum are good, what benefit would a bad guy have making this move... I think your stating as a fact Lathum would not get lynched is very deceptive and is the biggest problem I have with you yet.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE KWHIT

1) I trust Alan's judgement and suspiscion and strongly believe him to be a villager.
2) KWhit's late vote flip-flop on D2
3) KWhit being very quiet

That's all I've got. And I'll be gone until either right before or just after-lynch doing the Xmas Setup down at work. If I get done early I MIGHT make it home in time to change my vote last-minute but don't count on it

[Alan T]

VOTE KWHIT

1) I trust Alan's judgement and suspiscion and strongly believe him to be a villager.
2) KWhit's late vote flip-flop on D2
3) KWhit being very quiet

That's all I've got. And I'll be gone until either right before or just after-lynch doing the Xmas Setup down at work. If I get done early I MIGHT make it home in time to change my vote last-minute but don't count on it

Kwhit is one of the people I was thinking about voting for before I started getting more suspicious of Tyrith's arguement this afternoon.. but out of curiosity why do you trust my judgement? I don't know anything more about Kwhit than I do about Chief Rum who I was wrong about yesterday.

There is a reason I've not put a vote out yet.. I'm tired of people blindly voting for my choice and then blaming it on me.

[Grammaticus]

I believe I have mentioned this multiple times, but I'll do it again. Lathum wasn't going to get lynched, and Swaggs arguments about how much the Day 1 vote record mattered were really ticking me off at the time. So I put a vote into him to try to stir up talking about it, since the vote wasn't gonna do much good where it was.

Actually this is what you said yesterday about switching off Lathum:

Tyrith - I'm not making sense right now when it comes to the whole Lathum situation. I'm well and truly on tilt when it comes to him.

Also, you moved the vote off Lathum onto Swaggs at 9:21pm. That would leave about 39 minutes to make Swaggs talk…. Sorry but that does not make sense.

I’m not saying this makes you bad, I’m just looking at what looks the most suspicious to me.

[Tyrith]

For whatever its worth, I think the voting record shows that when you moved off of Lathum it still was close enough that the late voters who voted just to make sure there was a lynch could have still had a choice had you not moved at the time.

Also for the record I do think there is something to be said about the day 1 votes, and I personally think everyone who has just written off that no one dark or light knew Scoobz allegiance before we know what exactly is posted on the death of a bad guy seems really suspicious to me. I've argued this point many times.

I am leaning to thinking Lathum is likely good today so didn't put alot of weight into your moving off of him like you did earlier today (why would you move off of a good guy like that in that situation if you are bad?) However your leaning on your statements as fact and questioning people who have issues with it are making you hypocritical and guilty of doing exactly what you accused Lathum of doing yesterday to your questions of him.

I guess your defense here about those "facts" which to me don't seem facts are more suspicious than the actions themselves.

The difference is that yesterday Lathum seemed to be accusing people of being a wolf for no other reason than for suspecting him. Today I did indeed vote for Gram, but it was his suspicion of me combined with other factors -- note that spleen was first man in and I don't really suspect him that much. I also like to think that I'm putting forth an actual plausible argument here. At least I hope it's partially plausible, because that's about the state my thoughts were at last night...if you couldn't tell, I was pretty darn angry with Lathum.

The difference as I see between me today and Lathum yesterday is that I'm actually asking questions and trying to work with the logic of the people aligning against me rather than just calling them wolves. And yes, I was probably a bit unfair to Lathum yesterday at a personal level, and I have to apologize for that -- I let my emotional response control me in a manner that worked to the detriment of the team.

That said, it isn't as much that Gram ignored my "facts" that I laid out as that he did not consider a reasonable defense (at least in the context of me) before laying out another vote. Combined with yesterday it leapt him to the top of the list for now. It's another example of more than one event combining to make me leery of a person.

[Tyrith]

Actually this is what you said yesterday about switching off Lathum:



Also, you moved the vote off Lathum onto Swaggs at 9:21pm. That would leave about 39 minutes to make Swaggs talk…. Sorry but that does not make sense.

I’m not saying this makes you bad, I’m just looking at what looks the most suspicious to me.

Sure, if you look at what I said yesterday and ignore what I've said today when responding to spleen. I would figure there would be a bit of recency. And I was mostly not making sense when it came to my emotions concerning Lathum (see my last post); I was actually lucid enough when it came to the vote. And you know that 39 minutes is plenty of time to stir trouble when someone is actually around, especially since votes just don't get forgotten when the lynch happens.

[Alan T]

The difference is that yesterday Lathum seemed to be accusing people of being a wolf for no other reason than for suspecting him. Today I did indeed vote for Gram, but it was his suspicion of me combined with other factors -- note that spleen was first man in and I don't really suspect him that much. I also like to think that I'm putting forth an actual plausible argument here. At least I hope it's partially plausible, because that's about the state my thoughts were at last night...if you couldn't tell, I was pretty darn angry with Lathum.

The difference as I see between me today and Lathum yesterday is that I'm actually asking questions and trying to work with the logic of the people aligning against me rather than just calling them wolves. And yes, I was probably a bit unfair to Lathum yesterday at a personal level, and I have to apologize for that -- I let my emotional response control me in a manner that worked to the detriment of the team.

That said, it isn't as much that Gram ignored my "facts" that I laid out as that he did not consider a reasonable defense (at least in the context of me) before laying out another vote. Combined with yesterday it leapt him to the top of the list for now. It's another example of more than one event combining to make me leery of a person.

I guess my point is that I think its fair for these people to be asking these questions of you. I stated my reasons for why I can see their point and where they are coming from. I find it more wrong that you instantly think they are a wolf for asking these questions , or at least appearing to be thinking they are a wolf for just asking the questions.

While I have come up to my own conclusion to the answers at this time, I fully do not expect others to come to the same conclusions all the time. I think its fair for people to ask the questions, and as you said with Swaggs yesterday putting a vote on him to try to get him to talk, why can't these people do the same with you?

I still don't think I'll vote for you, but I guess it depends on how honest I think you are being when trying to see their side of the issue too. Right now I definitly can see their viewpoint as its one of the paths I went down this morning (if you remember me asking the question in the post with the three scenerios of Chief vs Lathum voters and what the bad guys would have done yesterday)

[Tyrith]

Dola, I made my vote switch yesterday not to talk about Swaggs as a lynch candidate for yesterday but more to get a conversation started about the whole thing in general. I suppose I should actually make a point in that regard:

If Swaggs kept talking about the day 1 vote like that, what could it mean for us? What if the Day 1 vote record would have the bad guys looking good? It's quite possible they "turned" (a term I must use loosely because I still believe they didn't know scoobz was bad) on their own teammate in order to make themselves look better later. And if that's the case and you want to be really paranoid, Alan's defense of it could mean a conspiracy.

[Tyrith]

I guess my point is that I think its fair for these people to be asking these questions of you. I stated my reasons for why I can see their point and where they are coming from. I find it more wrong that you instantly think they are a wolf for asking these questions , or at least appearing to be thinking they are a wolf for just asking the questions.

While I have come up to my own conclusion to the answers at this time, I fully do not expect others to come to the same conclusions all the time. I think its fair for people to ask the questions, and as you said with Swaggs yesterday putting a vote on him to try to get him to talk, why can't these people do the same with you?

I still don't think I'll vote for you, but I guess it depends on how honest I think you are being when trying to see their side of the issue too. Right now I definitly can see their viewpoint as its one of the paths I went down this morning (if you remember me asking the question in the post with the three scenerios of Chief vs Lathum voters and what the bad guys would have done yesterday)

Yes, it is perfectly fair for them to ask the questions. It's just when the same question is asked repeatedly it gets frustrating. Furthermore, it is fair for me to make arguments in response to the questions and to ask questions about why they are asking the questions. The chain of questions I asked spleen earlier would be the latter. Note again that I'm not saying that their votes are stupid, unfair, or anything of that nature, I'm just trying to make sure there aren't _more_ votes made from reasoning I consider to be incorrect.

[Alan T]

Yes, it is perfectly fair for them to ask the questions. It's just when the same question is asked repeatedly it gets frustrating. Furthermore, it is fair for me to make arguments in response to the questions and to ask questions about why they are asking the questions. The chain of questions I asked spleen earlier would be the latter. Note again that I'm not saying that their votes are stupid, unfair, or anything of that nature, I'm just trying to make sure there aren't _more_ votes made from reasoning I consider to be incorrect.


Fair enough. As long as you don't think it is wrong for people to be asking you these questions and are open to the discussion about whether or not to vote for you its fine with me. I've seen alot of vote and runs so far the first two days with little or no explanation, so just found it interesting the one you chose to attack back on is all. It felt alot like how Lathum responded to you yesterday in the heat of the moment for pretty much the same thing.

[Tyrith]

Fair enough. As long as you don't think it is wrong for people to be asking you these questions and are open to the discussion about whether or not to vote for you its fine with me. I've seen alot of vote and runs so far the first two days with little or no explanation, so just found it interesting the one you chose to attack back on is all. It felt alot like how Lathum responded to you yesterday in the heat of the moment for pretty much the same thing.

Nah, I brought today onto myself, this is fine.

[Alan T]

Well, I have about 12 people right now all of whom are suspicious, and haven't seen anything that jumps out at me to differentiate between any of them to make one stand out. I think right now I am leaning to option 1 in considering yesterday's vote and for now working on the assumption that Lathum is more likely good than not good at least until I know more.

I'll also go with what the majority is saying about the day 1 vote where most people think the bad guys did not know Scoobz was evil either. While I think it would be a drastic mistake to write that down as fact, I'll go along with that just for today's vote at least till I know more about how bad guys are recorded in post #1 at death.

With that in mind, if I am assuming at least for today that the bad guys assumed both day 1 and day 2 votes were villager vs villager votes, they'd likely just stay out of the villager's way and let the townspeople make the mistakes for them without doing alot suspicious. I know that sometimes hiding in plain sight is a very viable strategy, so it wouldn't suprise me horribly if Kwhit or Mr.W or Tyrith were a wolf but as of now I can't find enough of a motive to push a case for any of them if I assume Lathum is more likely good than not good.

So my only other really good options is to vote someone out of Spite (Blade), or to vote someone trying to look for specific results. I'm going to go with the latter here and place a vote on Ntndeacon. Right now he has the least amount of posts in the game, has less votes than Hoopsguy who isn't playing and Fouts who died night1. The only player that Ntndeacon has more votes than right now is Scoobz which doesn't say much.

Could Ntndeacon be good? possibly but he is laying so low he isn't leaving us any information to discern that from and if he keeps this up 3-5 days we'll be trying to figure out his allegiance without anything to go on. So whether or not he's bad I have no idea.. but Ntndeacon needs to start contributing or I will just vote him off as dead weight.

Vote Ntndeacon

That said, I need to head out from work soon, and likely gone a few hours. If I come back and see 5-6 people jump on this vote without saying anything more than "sounds good" I swear I'll think about voting you tommorrow. I dont mind if people follow on this vote, but please provide some reason or analysis yourself.

Should be back before the lynch with time to move if need be.

[Sublime 2]

Tyrith, maybe you can clear this up for me, first you said this:


At that point the Lathum lynch really didn't have much momentum behind it. As bad as the reasoning was for CR it was worse for Lathum, where people were just voting for him for the sake of making it a race...and that push was dying as the focus became on getting a lynch of a lynch's sake. I don't believe in that kind of lynch, so I wasn't voting for CR. Swaggs kept insisting that the day 1 vote meant something, and I strongly disagree with that concept. Was Swaggs thought process a wolf move? Not necessarily, but the wolves could push us to look at the day 1 vote record because they know it will be in their favor. Thus the vote.

Then followed it up with this a few posts later:

The reason I voted for Lathum was his vote combined with the whole discussion about a failed conversion that cronin picked up on. The two combined made him a slightly better candidate.

Now I guess I'm just confused, and maybe you just made a mistake but in the first you said that you felt like voting for CR made more sense than voting for Lathum right? Then in the next post you say that you felt Lathum was the better candidate, now I am assuming you meant better candidate than CR, which is where I could be going wrong. Now, I know you've answered some of the other questions, but I really haven't seen you answer this...

[BrianD]

I could be wrong, but I keep having this nagging feeling that Tyrith declared "Lathum isn't going to get lynched anyway" as a way to try to push people off of Lathum. I could see the argument of Tyrith thinking Lathum was good (even though he said he didn't think that), but he wouldn't have been trying to drive away votes. This could mean that Lathum is someone important to the Dark side, or it could just be teamwork going on. For now, I'm going to...

Vote Tyrith

[Tyrith]

Tyrith, maybe you can clear this up for me, first you said this:




Then followed it up with this a few posts later:



Now I guess I'm just confused, and maybe you just made a mistake but in the first you said that you felt like voting for CR made more sense than voting for Lathum right? Then in the next post you say that you felt Lathum was the better candidate, now I am assuming you meant better candidate than CR, which is where I could be going wrong. Now, I know you've answered some of the other questions, but I really haven't seen you answer this...

I was referring to it considering the votes that came after me.

[Tyrith]

I could be wrong, but I keep having this nagging feeling that Tyrith declared "Lathum isn't going to get lynched anyway" as a way to try to push people off of Lathum. I could see the argument of Tyrith thinking Lathum was good (even though he said he didn't think that), but he wouldn't have been trying to drive away votes. This could mean that Lathum is someone important to the Dark side, or it could just be teamwork going on. For now, I'm going to...

Vote Tyrith

Um, if Lathum was important to my side why would I have been the second vote in on him? My vote pretty much dragged his name into the conversation as the second man in the race.

[BrianD]

Um, if Lathum was important to my side why would I have been the second vote in on him? My vote pretty much dragged his name into the conversation as the second man in the race.

It is a good question. Does getting him into the race counter you getting him out of it? I can't get over the feeling that you are trying to play both sides on this one. If he turns out bad you can point to being the second one on him and saying that you still thought he was bad (before removing your vote). If he turns out good you can point to you moving your vote off of him. I worry when someone tries to give themselves too many outs.

[saldana]

well, i havent had much to say today, but one person that set some bells off for me was Kwhit.

first he tried bring blade back into the spotlight when he wasnt taking any head, and wasnt on the board...as soon as i called him on it, he never said another word about it. i got the feeling he was tring to yurn up the heat and thought no one would stand up for blade.

then his little flip flop thing at the end was just bizzare....cronin's belief in no lynches being good for the village is well documented, and his pushing for that actually raises him near the top of my COT...he would be the last person i would vote for at this point....i think kwhit seized on cronin's ideas and dramatized his uncertainty...if DC hadnt voted late for CR, i believe Kwhit's unvote with no time left would have put us below the 50%


vote kwhit

[saldana]

that should say "taking any HEAT"!!!!!!

[Lorena]

that should say "taking any HEAT"!!!!!!

yeah, I was gonna say... :eek:

[Lorena]

Of note, NTN has 8 posts, 2 of them have been votes (swaggs and lathum), 2 when he first joined, and the other 4 were short with no analysis. Pretty UTR if you ask me.

Now I hope Alan doesn't see this as I'm trying to buddy up with him, it's just something that I hadn't noticed until he brought it up.

[Thomkal]

Well going to be away from the computer for a bit, so I should make my vote. I've bounced back and forth between Ntndeacon, because he's been so quiet, and KWhit because of the late vote switch, but for now I'll go with the vote switch.

vote kwhit

[ntndeacon]

Kwits flopping back and forth is suspicious. I have been back and forth on voting for him because of it. The big problem ihave for it is if he was concerned about a possible lynch not happening it would make sence to leave your vote on the condemned person to avoid a 11th hour switch off of him causing a no vote.

[Tyrith]

It is a good question. Does getting him into the race counter you getting him out of it? I can't get over the feeling that you are trying to play both sides on this one. If he turns out bad you can point to being the second one on him and saying that you still thought he was bad (before removing your vote). If he turns out good you can point to you moving your vote off of him. I worry when someone tries to give themselves too many outs.

Nah, if he's good I'll take my share of the blame. I didn't move my vote off him because my opinion really changed -- although as I said earlier, I didn't think he was bad, I just thought it was more likely he was bad than most other people at the time.

[Schmidty]

More and more, I'm seeing the point of voting for Kwhit (until he actually defends himself), but I have to be honest that I'm afraid of looking like a band-wagoner. Regardless, that seems to be the best direction for now. I'd really like to hear more from KWhit.. He's never this quiet.

Vote KWhit

[Izulde]

You know, LSG's been just as quiet, if not moreso than KWhit, but ah hell, since they've both been quiet (my reasoning for LSG), something I hadn't realized until other people started talking about KWhit, and the vote's going that way, I'll switch over to try and get us the lynch, especially since by my own earlier reasoning, KWhit's just as valid a baddy suspect as LSG.

UNVOTE LONESTARGIRL

VOTE KWHIT

[Lorena]

I'm curious to hear more from ntndeacon as he has been really, really quiet and even though he has a vote on him didn't defend himself. I know it's only 1 vote, but still.

The times I've gotten a vote (other than day 1), I get pretty paranoid and attempt some sort of defense, didn't see that from ntn.

[Lorena]

Oh and as far as LSG being quiet, I believe she's been house hunting the past few days, so she might be busy with that.

[Izulde]

Oh and as far as LSG being quiet, I believe she's been house hunting the past few days, so she might be busy with that.

That'd explain it, then. Good to know, thanks :)

[ntndeacon]

I'm curious to hear more from ntndeacon as he has been really, really quiet and even though he has a vote on him didn't defend himself. I know it's only 1 vote, but still.

The times I've gotten a vote (other than day 1), I get pretty paranoid and attempt some sort of defense, didn't see that from ntn.

Well there is a reason for that DC. First Idid not see the vote until a little while ago. (right after my last post was made.) I will say that in my defence that the first couple of days in general Itend to be quiet, as those are the busiest days for me...And that is even more true this week. I tend not to mention this usually since I figure everything in WW is viewed through the black glasses of paranoia.
I do plan to be more active in the near future.

[Grammaticus]

Okay, I’ve given my reason for voting Tyrith or accumulating suspicion. My general reservations are his play style. I think I have played in at least 2 games with him of which he was good. I recall a somewhat reckless approach with lots of posts and contradicting points. I would say this causes confusion and is bad for the village. But it also seems to match his prior behavior.

I like the idea of going with a UTR candidate as a bad guy is almost always laying low to contrast anyone playing an up front and vocal game. I’m torn on Tyrith as I can talk myself into suspicion on about anything he posts. The UTR candides with votes are LSG, ntndeacon and Kwhit.

LSG – I find her game very different than tombstone and SAW. She usually talks a LOT more. I don’t know if it is just adjusting style or the desire to lay low as a baddie.

Ntndeacon – also usually talks it up a bit, at least he did in tombstone. Now he is very quite.

Kwhit – In my observations always plays a very UTR game. It becomes frustrating because you have very little to go on later in the game. In fact in most games, I forget he is playing.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I'm curious about KWhit's flipping yesterday, but I can't see how it makes him evil. If he is evil, did he jump off the CR wagon when he knew that a lynch was going to made just to keep his name off the CR list? That seems so obvious a move that I have a hard time believing an evil player would draw so much attention to himself at the end of a vote like that.

Izulde's latest vote change raises my eyebrows. It feels like jumping on the KWhit bandwagon to me.

VOTE Izulde

[Tyrith]

Okay, I’ve given my reason for voting Tyrith or accumulating suspicion. My general reservations are his play style. I think I have played in at least 2 games with him of which he was good. I recall a somewhat reckless approach with lots of posts and contradicting points. I would say this causes confusion and is bad for the village. But it also seems to match his prior behavior.


I'm a confusing person, even in the real world :)

[Tyrith]

I can't say that KWhit would have been my first choice but I like that we're pushing on a UTR instead of killing cronin or saldana or some nonsense like that!

[Grammaticus]

I'm a confusing person, even in the real world :)

I will tell you that I believe that very much ;)

[ntndeacon]

Okay, I’ve given my reason for voting Tyrith or accumulating suspicion. My general reservations are his play style. I think I have played in at least 2 games with him of which he was good. I recall a somewhat reckless approach with lots of posts and contradicting points. I would say this causes confusion and is bad for the village. But it also seems to match his prior behavior.

I like the idea of going with a UTR candidate as a bad guy is almost always laying low to contrast anyone playing an up front and vocal game. I’m torn on Tyrith as I can talk myself into suspicion on about anything he posts. The UTR candides with votes are LSG, ntndeacon and Kwhit.

LSG – I find her game very different than tombstone and SAW. She usually talks a LOT more. I don’t know if it is just adjusting style or the desire to lay low as a baddie.

Ntndeacon – also usually talks it up a bit, at least he did in tombstone. Now he is very quite.

Kwhit – In my observations always plays a very UTR game. It becomes frustrating because you have very little to go on later in the game. In fact in most games, I forget he is playing.

I did talk more in Tombstone, but I started talking more in that game after day 2. The first 2 days of every game I have played recently, ihave been completely befuddled by who to vote for and who to trust. (As seen in that game by having all of the baddies include me in thier circle of trust lol) The suspicioins I have at the moment that hit me the hardest at the moment I wonder abut since almost no one else has seemed to mention him as a suspect. They are vague suspicions only at this point, only . I do not have a good reason to vote for those potential suspects yet.

As for LSG, wasn't she brought to task in at least one of those games for being too quiet. SO her being quiet does not set off any alarm bells with me so far.

Now, Kwhit is another story. I can see something to grasp onto with him. the last minute vote swapping seems fishy.

[Grammaticus]

I can't say that KWhit would have been my first choice but I like that we're pushing on a UTR instead of killing cronin or saldana or some nonsense like that!

Is there any particular reason that you chose st.cronin and saldana here? I mean neither are getting much attention. I'm just curious as to what you are saying about them. Are you saying that you have a trust level here or just pointing at experience?

[Tyrith]

Is there any particular reason that you chose st.cronin and saldana here? I mean neither are getting much attention. I'm just curious as to what you are saying about them. Are you saying that you have a trust level here or just pointing at experience?

Just a remark about people that keep getting killed early; I wasn't trying to say anything about this game. Sorry for the confusion.

[saldana]

things are a little screwy around here today with the kiddies, and i am going out in about an hour....i am a little disappointed that kwhit hasnt shown up at all to defend himself. i am tempted to switch off to lone star girl....in my opinion, she has always been alot more vocal than she is in this game, which makes me very wary, but kwhits actions are more alarming to me at this point.

[Izulde]

things are a little screwy around here today with the kiddies, and i am going out in about an hour....i am a little disappointed that kwhit hasnt shown up at all to defend himself. i am tempted to switch off to lone star girl....in my opinion, she has always been alot more vocal than she is in this game, which makes me very wary, but kwhits actions are more alarming to me at this point.

You know, we can always get LSG tomorrow. If KWhit's actions are more alarming, stick with that.

[saldana]

You know, we can always get LSG tomorrow. If KWhit's actions are more alarming, stick with that.

thats pretty much what i am thinking right now unless something comes up between now and then

[Lorena]

Vote count:

Kwhit (5)- DaddyTorgo, Izulde, Saldana, Schmidty, Thomkal
Tyrith (4)- BrianD, Grammaticus, Spleen1015, Sublime 2
Lathum (1) - st.cronin
ntndeacon (1) - alant
Schmidty (1) - DC
Grammaticus (1) - Tyrith
Izulde (1)- Jonathan E

No votes: blade, kwhit, lathum, lsg, Mr. W, ntndeacon, and swaggs.

We're kind of all over the place. 21 players and we need 11 votes on a candidate to lynch right?

[Tyrith]

Eh, okay, I'll buy into the UTR vote for today. I'm going to have to leave in about 45 minutes and if I'm back before the lynch it will be with 15 minutes to spare.

UNVOTE GRAMMATICUS
VOTE KWHIT

[Abe Sargent]

21 players and we need 11 votes on a candidate to lynch right?

Correct

[Mr. Wednesday]

LSG has been taken to task more than once for being too UTR. At some point, she was supposedly trying to become more talkative to avoid spawning all the attention. Whether this is more a reversion to what comes naturally, or an overreaction to overtalking once as a bad dude (possibly implying that she is, once more, a bad dude?) is open to speculation.

[Mr. Wednesday]

The trouble with waiting this long to vote is that sometimes I'm not feeling super-strong about my choices. Tyrith hasn't really set off any alarm bells with me, and while I don't mind voting KWhit, necessarily, I still feel like we're in a stage where there needs to be pressure on two candidates, not just one.

[Grammaticus]

Alright, I will go UTR as well. Of Kwhit, LSG and ntndeacon Kwhit is the one up for discussion. I'll try to check back in now and then to see what Kwhit says.

UNVOTE TYRITH

VOTE KWHIT

[Swaggs]

I don't have a lot of time tonight, as I just got home from work and am heading right back out.

I am going with Tyrith. I don't have a great candidate, but he has acted oddly all game.

Vote Tyrith

[Mr. Wednesday]

I make the count 7 - 4 right now. I'd like to see some action here, so I'm going to narrow it. Obviously, I'm not wedded to this vote.

VOTE Tyrith

[ntndeacon]

Vote KWhith

[ntndeacon]

oops...for spelling purposes
Unvote Kwhith
Vote Kwhit

[LoneStarGirl]

Okay guys, im reading up, got a few pages to go

[LoneStarGirl]

Okay so my own new list is:

LonestarGirl
Blade
Mr. Wednesday
spleen

LSG is still my strongest suspicion based on the way she's acting, hence she still has my vote.

How am i acting?

[Lorena]

Vote KWhith

Any particular reason for voting for Kwhit?

[LoneStarGirl]

I'm glad to get the chance to play with you too. I really wish Ant would play. (Why doesn't he?)

As far as my play-style, I'm pretty much terrible. I don't have the ability to be sneaky or subtle because I wear my emotions on my sleeve so much, and I'm not very good at picking things apart or analyzing posts. I generally play on "feel", which gets me in trouble a lot of times. All of those things combined always seem to make me look like a bad guy, no matter what my role.

Wow Schmidty, we play a like. Ive heard a lot about you in previous games, you aren't as bad as people say. :p

[Grammaticus]

LSG,

the biggest play observation made about you is that you may be playing a much quiter game than normal.

[LoneStarGirl]

Oh and as far as LSG being quiet, I believe she's been house hunting the past few days, so she might be busy with that.

I have been, thanks for remembering. Plus i am going to doggy training a couple days a week for my german shephard. but im trying guys, really i am.

[LoneStarGirl]

LSG – I find her game very different than tombstone and SAW. She usually talks a LOT more. I don’t know if it is just adjusting style or the desire to lay low as a baddie.
.


In my last game I was a baddy, the first time ever by the way, and ask Alant.... I talked my butt off. At least compared to what i usually do. Honestly, this is my fifth game and i have been trying a different approach for the past three. I am trying to work on my analytical skills with these posts but when i can only get online twice a day and each time im having to read 5 pages its hard to analyze it all.

[LoneStarGirl]

LSG has been taken to task more than once for being too UTR. At some point, she was supposedly trying to become more talkative to avoid spawning all the attention. Whether this is more a reversion to what comes naturally, or an overreaction to overtalking once as a bad dude (possibly implying that she is, once more, a bad dude?) is open to speculation.

That was the game when i was a wolf....

Damn I hate being under the microscope so early in these damned games.

[LoneStarGirl]

Well Gramm, i am here tonight to change that. I am going to make 15 posts before i go to bed... well not really, but im going to try to put out some thoughts.

[LoneStarGirl]

I think this is my third time to play with Tyrinth and each time he played weird to me. And each time he was good. I guess weird is his style. He seems to bounce around a lot and have a lot of posts that I dont think are really relevant, but that is him and its okay.

Kwhit i dont think i've played with, but he said why he changed his vote. He said he was going to vote for Cheif rum because he felt he was bad, but changed his vote for lathum because he followed everybody else's lead when they said a no lynch is good for the wolves. Then somebody (st cronin i think) came on and said dont change your vote cuz they told you to, go with your gut, so he changed back to his original guy. And I know he has been under the radar, but so has about 5 other people, so why pick on him?


But as an advocate for making a lynch every night, i want to help get the majority so


vote kwhit

[LoneStarGirl]

And as spleen said in tombstone, im very drive by, i come, post three or four times, and leave. Me being quiet is nothing new, i dont know where y'all are getting that im talkative. But ill try to contribute more in this game. Now i am giong to goldeneagles to cook dinner. Ill be back around lynch.

[ntndeacon]

Any particular reason for voting for Kwhit?

The main idea for that vote goes along with his popping on and then off the lynch. I understood piing on a lynch, but when he then went off of the lynch when he realized there was enough votes without him. He seemed to want the vote to be close enough so that one vote change could sway it to a non lynch. And that seemed wolfish to me

[ntndeacon]

I have a question about our 2 bad teams. after 2 days does it seem that only one of those teams has a night kill ability?

[Lathum]

VOTE TYRITH

his late switch last night is just to weird. He switched off me because he said he knew I wasn't gonna be lynched then switched his vote to someone with no votes. If he switched to CR it would have made some sense but his move confuses me.

[Alan T]

Catching up , it looks like the vote is currently:

(9) Kwhit - Daddytorgo (1030), Saldana (1047), Thomkal (1050), Schmidty (1053), Izulde (1054), Tyrith (1071), Grammaticus (1075), Ntndeacon (1078), Lonestargirl (1089)
(6) Tyrith - Spleen (919), Sublime (958), BrianD (1042), Swaggs (1076), Mr.Wednesday (1077), Lathum (1093)
(1) Schmidty - Dodgerchick (887)
(1) Lathum - St.Cronin (890)
(1) Ntndeacon - Alan (1040)
(1) Izulde - Jonathan Ezarik (1060)

Which means Kwhit is 2 votes from being lynched. I know that there are a few votes still out that havent been made yet.. but I can also be one of those 2 votes to move to kwhit thats needed. I know the entire arguement of lynch is good vs village or lynching without being sure is bad for village... but in this case Kwhit was already on my suspect list as I mentioned before so I have absolutely no problem taking the chance on him tonight.

Kwhit what I want from you in the next 1 hour and 45 min is some good reason why I shouldn't move my vote to you. I won't repeat all of my arguements why I felt you were suspicious yesterday and today, but its time to hear a bit more out of you. If I don't find any compelling reason before deadline then I will move my vote to you.

[Grammaticus]

I have a question about our 2 bad teams. after 2 days does it seem that only one of those teams has a night kill ability?

Yes, that has been the prevailing thought to this point. Appears the rules post supports Sauron's agents having night kills and Saruman's not. Just an educated guess with no double night kills.

What do you make of it?

[Blade6119]

Just got home, have a few pages to catch up..is my vote needed right now?

[Alan T]

Just got home, have a few pages to catch up..is my vote needed right now?

You have an hour and a half. Kwhit is 2 votes from lynch, Tyrith is 5 votes from lynch. If you are looking to put pressure on either of these guys you can put a vote on them. Otherwise you have a while to catch up still.

[Blade6119]

You have an hour and a half. Kwhit is 2 votes from lynch, Tyrith is 5 votes from lynch. If you are looking to put pressure on either of these guys you can put a vote on them. Otherwise you have a while to catch up still.

Question Alan...if you saw a player hint at a certain beneficial to the good side role, would you press the issue because he could be lying to avoid votes, or leave it be and hope hes being honest?

[Blade6119]

Actually, come to think of it, I've yet to vote for a wolf... wow!

You voted with me against gramat correcltly, when people like LSG and someone else were wrong(who was it, spleen?..it was someone)

[Alan T]

Question Alan...if you saw a player hint at a certain beneficial to the good side role, would you press the issue because he could be lying to avoid votes, or leave it be and hope hes being honest?

At this point in the game, I would probably leave it alone if you think you saw a hint. In my mind there are alot of suspicious people to choose from, so taking big risks probably aren't worth it at this point. It would be the equivalent of asking your seer to reveal themselves on day 3 for no reason other than saving themselves before they have time to gather more data.

You can always come back to it later or if the status quo changes to where it suddenly becomes more worth it risk vs reward.

If its someone on the line of being lynched however, or you are risking losing them then its probably worth it to be pressed and see what happens since they can't do much to help dead anyways.

[Blade6119]

At this point in the game, I would probably leave it alone if you think you saw a hint. In my mind there are alot of suspicious people to choose from, so taking big risks probably aren't worth it at this point. It would be the equivalent of asking your seer to reveal themselves on day 3 for no reason other than saving themselves before they have time to gather more data.

You can always come back to it later or if the status quo changes to where it suddenly becomes more worth it risk vs reward.

If its someone on the line of being lynched however, or you are risking losing them then its probably worth it to be pressed and see what happens since they can't do much to help dead anyways.
Ill leave it be for now then...if hes alive later ill worry about it then, but for now i am going to just keep a close eye on him.

[Lorena]

Well, what if a person has information that would be beneficial and ends up getting night killed leaving us in the dark?

[Lorena]

You voted with me against gramat correcltly, when people like LSG and someone else were wrong(who was it, spleen?..it was someone)

That's right, I forgot about that.

[Alan T]

Well, what if a person has information that would be beneficial and ends up getting night killed leaving us in the dark?

I guess lets hope that doesn't happen. I don't know who Blade is talking about and would rather not even probe that line of thinking right now as I can't possibly think of any value it would have for us right now. I'll leave it up to other people when they feel they have valuable enough information to risk their lives to share.

[Blade6119]

Well, what if a person has information that would be beneficial and ends up getting night killed leaving us in the dark?

Her knowledge right now would do more harm then good if revealed. Im just wary she is using it so players like me who saw it wont vote her

[spleen1015]

Her knowledge right now would do more harm then good if revealed. Im just wary she is using it so players like me who saw it wont vote her

Uh, so much for not letting the cat out of the bag?

[Blade6119]

Uh, so much for not letting the cat out of the bag?
I didnt say anything that will give the person away

[spleen1015]

I didnt say anything that will give the person away

Ok.

[Mr. Wednesday]

UNVOTE Tyrith
VOTE KWhit

[Mr. Wednesday]

I didn't mean to swap abruptly, but I was in a rush to beat a 9 pm deadline, only to see that it's actually 10 pm. I still favor a lynch over no lynch, so I'll leave things one vote short for right now.

[Blade6119]

VOTE IZULDE

Ill swap into the lynch if i need to, but a few people have passed alan on my suspect list, izulde being the highest riser

[Izulde]

I'm not entirely certain where this heat has been coming from today, but I'll let it slide by for now.

My vote for KWhit stands and as the dialogue seems to have died down, I'm going to go play some CK. Since I'll be writing the update as I play, I'll check back in periodically on here.

[LoneStarGirl]

Her knowledge right now would do more harm then good if revealed. Im just wary she is using it so players like me who saw it wont vote her

you said her. meaning me or dodgerchick. And you were talking to dodgerchick, so you meant me. What did i hint at or imply?

[st.cronin]

unvote Lathum
vote KWhit

I like voting for utr guys at this point in a game. I think Tyrith is likely good, fwiw.

[Blade6119]

you said her. meaning me or dodgerchick. And you were talking to dodgerchick, so you meant me. What did i hint at or imply?

I dont want to elaborate at all on what i said, positively or negatively...ive said too much already

[Tyrith]

cronin's vote gives us the lynch, for now.

[LoneStarGirl]

only got 17 minutes

[Alan T]

Well it looks like Kwhit isn't going to show up to defend himself or even make a vote. Ahh well, guess we get to see how this goes.

[Alan T]

If Kwhit ends up a good guy, I'm going to be suspicious of everyone voting for him!!!

[Alan T]

Just kidding. he was on my suspect list too.

[LoneStarGirl]

I know real life is important and all, but i hate when people get signed up and then dissapear....

at least take 2 minutes to message the host and say find me a replacement, or throw in a vote... you can do it from your phone

[Blade6119]

This is the first lynch i dont have any feelings about...i didnt think chief was bad, and scoobz i didnt want lynched since it was his first game, but this one i dont care either way. I have a feeling about most players, but not kwhit

[Abe Sargent]

That is time. Let me verify votes

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I still don't think KWhit is evil, but I do find it odd that he didn't show up to fight for himself or even vote. I'll guess we'll find out soon enough.

[Tyrith]

I still don't think KWhit is evil, but I do find it odd that he didn't show up to fight for himself or even vote. I'll guess we'll find out soon enough.

Yeah, I can't say I feel too bad about this lynch no matter how it goes.

[Alan T]

Well when kwhit was last here he had no votes this morning and Tyrith had 2. He had spoke about Tyrith some, but not much else. I don't feel bad about this lynch at all. Lets just hope my feelings aren't misguided.

[Abe Sargent]

With recent events erasing any positive feelings from the first day, a grave sense of responsibility settles over the assemblage. With four of your number already gone, you begin to feel the weight of responsibility.

After a short period of time, the collective weight of a majority of you falls on the shoulders of KWhit. After the final balloting, KWhits shoulders slump. You can see the light in her eyes die. Hope has ended for one of your number tonight.

KWhit stands and hugs a few close friends, people who did not vote for her tonight. She turns and faces the assembly with a look of loss. “I forgive you this crime.”

She walks the short distance to the gallows, ahead of your group. She almost seems in a hurry to complete the obvious. She walks herself up the gallows and stands alone, as she loops the rope around her neck, methodically, without emotion. She looks up, refusing to make eye contact with any of you. The board below her is released, and she swings, silent.

You quickly head to the edge of town where her farm was. You investigate but find nothing to indicate anything other than the simple fact that KWhit was a farmer of peppers her whole life, and had nothing else in her life except the joy she received from seeing her favorite plant emerge from the earth. You see the wooden award she received from the town for growing the most produce one year, and there is a list of her contacts in the merchant community, to whom he would sell her peppers.

You’ll no more taste one of her peppers.

Day Three has ended. Night Three has begun and will end at 3:30 AM EST Thursday.



-Anxiety

[Sublime 2]

Although I agree that Kwhit didn't defend himself at all and what not, and ppl have mentioned that they don't really care so much, but this still sucks.

[LoneStarGirl]

Damnit, another good guy.

[LoneStarGirl]

Although I agree that Kwhit didn't defend himself at all and what not, and ppl have mentioned that they don't really care so much, but this still sucks.

Agreed. And he wasn't helping discussion at all, but still.

[Alan T]

I don't even like peppers.

[LoneStarGirl]

my dog's name is pepper

[Tyrith]

You know, if I listened to my own theory about when a wolf would try to hide their vote, I put my vote on KWhit at a reaaaallly bad time. Just putting that out there now.

[Alan T]

You know, if I listened to my own theory about when a wolf would try to hide their vote, I put my vote on KWhit at a reaaaallly bad time. Just putting that out there now.

So you are telling us that the best vote for tommorrow would be you? :)

[Tyrith]

So you are telling us that the best vote for tommorrow would be you? :)

I figured that if I put it out there now it would be less bad for me than when gram, spleen, or someone else does it on their own.

[BrianD]

Well I voted for him today, I could be talked into doing it again tomorrow. :)

[spleen1015]

Well I voted for him today, I could be talked into doing it again tomorrow. :)

I'm already planning a repeat vote unless something happens overnight.

[Sublime 2]

I'm already planning a repeat vote unless something happens overnight.

I'll probably go with the same vote tomorrow as well, unless of course something changes my mind.

[Schmidty]

Well, that sucked.

I'll make stuffed Red Peppers in honor of Kwhit tomorrow night. Bless her pretty little heart. :(

[Tyrith]

I'm already planning a repeat vote unless something happens overnight.

Sigh, with my luck we're going to find you face down in a puddle in the morning.

[Schmidty]

Sigh, with my luck we're going to find you face down in a puddle in the morning.

Nope. That will likely be me, thanks to my flapping gums.

[Grammaticus]

That was the game when i was a wolf....

Damn I hate being under the microscope so early in these damned games.

Uh, watch your language :eek:

Sorry, I felt I had to do, Anxiety must be asleep at the wheel. :)

[Grammaticus]

dola,

Should say "had to do that, Anxiety..."

[Alan T]

Today's votes and stuff:

(11) Kwhit - Daddytorgo (1030), Saldana (1047), Thomkal (1050), Schmidty (1053), Izulde (1054), Tyrith (1071), Grammaticus (1075), Ntndeacon (1078), Lonestargirl (1089), Mr.Wednesday (1109), St.cronin (1114)
(5) Tyrith - Spleen (919), Sublime (958), BrianD (1042), Swaggs (1076), Lathum (1093)
(1) Schmidty - Dodgerchick (887)
(1) Ntndeacon - Alan (1040)
(2) Izulde - Jonathan Ezarik (1060), Blade (1111)


(887) Dodgerchick votes Schmidty (1)
(890) St.Cronin votes Lathum (1)
(901) Izulde votes Lonestargirl (1)
(919) Spleen votes Tyrith (1)
(958) Sublime votes Tyrith (2)
(1009) Grammaticus votes Tyrith (3)
(1021) Tyrith votes Grammaticus (1)
(1030) DaddyTorgo votes Kwhit (1)
(1040) Alan votes Ntndeacon (1)
(1042) BrianD votes Tyrith (4)
(1047) Saldana votes Kwhit (2)
(1050) Thomkal votes Kwhit (3)
(1053) Schmidty votes Kwhit (4)
(1054) Izulde UNVOTES Lonestargirl (0) ***
(1054) Izulde votes Kwhit (5)
(1060) Jonathan Ezarik votes Izulde (1)
(1071) Tyrith UNVOTES Grammaticus (0) ***
(1071) Tyrith votes Kwhit (6)
(1075) Grammaticus UNVOTES Tyrith (3) ***
(1075) Grammaticus votes Kwhit (7)
(1076) Swaggs votes Tyrith (4)
(1077) Mr. Wednesday votes Tyrith (5)
(1078) Ntndeacon votes Kwhit (8)
(1089) Lonestargirl votes Kwhit (9)
(1093) Lathum votes Tyrith (6)
(1109) Mr.Wednesday UNVOTES Tyrith (5) ***
(1109) Mr.Wednesday votes Kwhit (10)
(1111) Blade votes Izulde (2)
(1114) St.cronin UNVOTES Lathum (0) ***
(1114) St.cronin votes Kwhit (11)

[Abe Sargent]

Uh, watch your language :eek:

Sorry, I felt I had to do, Anxiety must be asleep at the wheel. :)

Thanks!

[Mr. Wednesday]

Another disappointing result, but at least we've managed to avoid killing anybody of any importance.

[Blade6119]

Another disappointing result, but at least we've managed to avoid killing anybody of any importance.

No, but the wolves are 2 for 2 in killing of key villager roles :mad:

And i whole heartedly expect them to be 3 for 3 tonight with the killing of a certain member

[DaddyTorgo]

just got in from work. UGH.

Grrrr....another villager? darnit!

[Alan T]

No, but the wolves are 2 for 2 in killing of key villager roles :mad:

And i whole heartedly expect them to be 3 for 3 tonight with the killing of a certain member

How can you say this? Last night they didn't even kill one of our guys. The night before they killed the herbalist which might be a bodyguard, or in this game might be something more themey and literally something to do with herbs.

So far other than the risk of having lost the bodyguard, I think the bad guys haven't hit any of the people they wanted to. The only plus for them so far is that they haven't hit anyone on a rival evil team yet (which they probably dont want to do at this point in the game)

[DaddyTorgo]

i don't see the 2 of us dead as key roles. definately not the rangers or anything.

[DaddyTorgo]

so who to focus attention on now. hmm

[Chief Rum]

Hey everyone,

I thought I would take a moment to apologize to everyone for my exit message yesterday. I was put off by the way things went down and some of the reasonings used to lynch me, and stupidly decided to post before letting things calm down.

I think my post was very poor form, and not like me at all. I have been killed in previous WW games and not had any sort of reaction like this, so I hope you will forgive my lapse here. This was the first time I had been the victim of this sort of early lynch, and now I see why people get upset about being targeted by it (Lathum leaps to mind in the RE game, and GoldenEagle in Tombstone, not to point the spotlight elsewhere, just noting this seems to be a common phenomenon).

So I am sorry I did not handle it as well as I could have.

Good luck and good times with the rest of the game.

[Lathum]

no prob CR,
I've been there many times

[DaddyTorgo]

Fortunately I should be home from work around 6pm EST tomorrow so I'll have plenty of time to read up and contribute although I will be missing all day.

[Swaggs]

With recent events erasing any positive feelings from the first day, a grave sense of responsibility settles over the assemblage. With four of your number already gone, you begin to feel the weight of responsibility.

After a short period of time, the collective weight of a majority of you falls on the shoulders of KWhit. After the final balloting, KWhits shoulders slump. You can see the light in her eyes die. Hope has ended for one of your number tonight.

KWhit stands and hugs a few close friends, people who did not vote for her tonight. She turns and faces the assembly with a look of loss. “I forgive you this crime.”

She walks the short distance to the gallows, ahead of your group. She almost seems in a hurry to complete the obvious. She walks herself up the gallows and stands alone, as she loops the rope around her neck, methodically, without emotion. She looks up, refusing to make eye contact with any of you. The board below her is released, and she swings, silent.

You quickly head to the edge of town where her farm was. You investigate but find nothing to indicate anything other than the simple fact that KWhit was a farmer of peppers her whole life, and had nothing else in her life except the joy she received from seeing her favorite plant emerge from the earth. You see the wooden award she received from the town for growing the most produce one year, and there is a list of her contacts in the merchant community, to whom he would sell her peppers.

You’ll no more taste one of her peppers.

Day Three has ended. Night Three has begun and will end at 3:30 AM EST Thursday.



-Anxiety

The part I bolded worries me about this lynch. :(

[Lorena]

It's cool CR.

I'm very, very sensitive IRL and it naturally comes out when I play this game. But that's what WW does to a lot of us, it brings out some pretty raw emotions and before we realize it, we post something which we later regret (I've done it many, many, many times).

'Til our next encounter ;)

[DaddyTorgo]

The part I bolded worries me about this lynch. :(

care to explain?

[Lorena]

Hmm... so could Kwhit had been our seer? Damn, that would suck.

[Swaggs]

care to explain?

Don't you think the fact that she had access to a community list could be signficant?

[Blade6119]

How can you say this? Last night they didn't even kill one of our guys. The night before they killed the herbalist which might be a bodyguard, or in this game might be something more themey and literally something to do with herbs.

So far other than the risk of having lost the bodyguard, I think the bad guys haven't hit any of the people they wanted to. The only plus for them so far is that they haven't hit anyone on a rival evil team yet (which they probably dont want to do at this point in the game)

The herbalist was a good role, its stated as such in the death, and regardless of what you call it, it was a role for us.

As for sndvls, look at the bolded part here:

For purposes of overwhelming, one agent of darkness can overtake two villagers with no problem. They are sheep and easily pacified. However, the rangers are much more difficult. It takes two agents to overcome each ranger. (So, for example, if 8 players are left, three agents and five townfolk, then the agents of darkness win, because three agents can take five villagers with no problem.)

If someone is not a townsfolk, nor a ranger, nobody knows how easily pacified they are.

Pacified means the they count against against the bad guys in the ratio(bad guys would have to pacify them for victory). In what regard, i dont know, but they were on our side of the ratio. So ill imagine it hurt our ratio, and took our a role that could be beneficial to us, though that much cant be confirmed.

[DaddyTorgo]

Don't you think the fact that she had access to a community list could be signficant?


or was that actually just nothing and a part of her "character" and not a clue?

[Blade6119]

Well, in case i die tonight, i might as well get this out there since im not one to be quiet on my thoughts.

I think Saldana, sublime 2, and izulde all need to either die or be scanned immediately by our seer. The group has gone against my thoughts for 2 days now(day 1 was random and doest count, but congrats for getting lucky) and have been wrong both times. Maybe its time for you all to start looking in a different direction...

[Izulde]

Well, in case i die tonight, i might as well get this out there since im not one to be quiet on my thoughts.

I think Saldana, sublime 2, and izulde all need to either die or be scanned immediately by our seer. The group has gone against my thoughts for 2 days now(day 1 was random and doest count, but congrats for getting lucky) and have been wrong both times. Maybe its time for you all to start looking in a different direction...

Yeah, we were wrong. So was everyone else who voted that way. I don't hear you calling for them to be scanned or die.

Face it, you're just hacked that I've had you in my sights from Day 1 and are trying to get even with me. Nothing more than that.

[Blade6119]

Yeah, we were wrong. So was everyone else who voted that way. I don't hear you calling for them to be scanned or die.

Face it, you're just hacked that I've had you in my sights from Day 1 and are trying to get even with me. Nothing more than that.

Yes, on days 1 and two when i voted alan i was really after you...you are playing just like you did last time. Now, take solace in the knowledge sublime 2 is #1 and your #2, and other then that dont try to blow off my suspicion.

[Lathum]

blade, you have any facts?

[Izulde]

Yes, on days 1 and two when i voted alan i was really after you...you are playing just like you did last time. Now, take solace in the knowledge sublime 2 is #1 and your #2, and other then that dont try to blow off my suspicion.

Well let's see, you information leaked which will probably get a valuable role for the Light side killed tonight.

I know you've played enough WW not to be that stupid to leak something that hurts the Light side if you're Light.

Conclusion?

You're a Dark.

[Blade6119]

Well let's see, you information leaked which will probably get a valuable role for the Light side killed tonight.

I know you've played enough WW not to be that stupid to leak something that hurts the Light side if you're Light.

Conclusion?

You're a Dark.

Are you quite sure i leaked information? Be quite certain before you start making accusations that will end up with your lynching

[Sublime 2]

Well, in case i die tonight, i might as well get this out there since im not one to be quiet on my thoughts.

I think Saldana, sublime 2, and izulde all need to either die or be scanned immediately by our seer. The group has gone against my thoughts for 2 days now(day 1 was random and doest count, but congrats for getting lucky) and have been wrong both times. Maybe its time for you all to start looking in a different direction...

I think you are mistaken in regards to me. Unless I'm missing something, I voted Scoobz...yes, but he's the only person I've lynched. Yesterday I voted Lathum, and today I voted Tyrinth. So, haven't I been right both times?

[Blade6119]

blade, you have any facts?

The same amount of facts i had against you last game...just my gut. The group has tried alan/saldana's gut, and i dont remember who started todays lynch. Maybe its time we try mine and lynch sublime.

[Blade6119]

I think you are mistaken in regards to me. Unless I'm missing something, I voted Scoobz...yes, but he's the only person I've lynched. Yesterday I voted Lathum, and today I voted Tyrinth. So, haven't I been right both times?

Voting scoobz was random, i dont give anyone credit for that.

As for lathum and tyrith, they could both be good too. So you werent right as much as everyone else wrong. Same with me...i havent been right, just not wrong so far.

You can think im wrong, but id like to see you scanned or dead, and i figure with the reasons that got Kwhit and chief lynched i have just as good a shot as everyone else with no facts

[Grammaticus]

The herbalist was a good role, its stated as such in the death, and regardless of what you call it, it was a role for us.

As for sndvls, look at the bolded part here:



Pacified means the they count against against the bad guys in the ratio(bad guys would have to pacify them for victory). In what regard, i dont know, but they were on our side of the ratio. So ill imagine it hurt our ratio, and took our a role that could be beneficial to us, though that much cant be confirmed.

Blade, I understand what you are saying, but I do not think it applies to SnDvls. Following is the full rules post:

Winning Conditions:

The game ends when the forces of darkness can overwhelm those of light, or when all of the darkness is destroyed.

For purposes of overwhelming, one agent of darkness can overtake two villagers with no problem. They are sheep and easily pacified. However, the rangers are much more difficult. It takes two agents to overcome each ranger. (So, for example, if 8 players are left, three agents and five townfolk, then the agents of darkness win, because three agents can take five villagers with no problem.)

If someone is not a townsfolk, nor a ranger, nobody knows how easily pacified they are.
SnDvls was not listed as on the side of light, his reveal on the roster list is:

14. SnDvls - Killed Night Two. Antalia Daverheft the Adventurer. (in grey text).
Which means he likely does not factor into the overwhelm ratio. It implies there may be a role that is tagged as being on the side of light, but not a townsfolk. Much like Scoobz was on the side of darkness but not Sauron or Saruman.

Looks like side of light gets gold text on the roster page
Side of dark gets red text
No side gets grey text.

[Grammaticus]

Anxiety, are you willing to confirm the meaning of the text color on the roster list?

[Sublime 2]

Well, in case i die tonight, i might as well get this out there since im not one to be quiet on my thoughts.

I think Saldana, sublime 2, and izulde all need to either die or be scanned immediately by our seer. The group has gone against my thoughts for 2 days now(day 1 was random and doest count, but congrats for getting lucky) and have been wrong both times. Maybe its time for you all to start looking in a different direction...

How can you lump me with saldana and izulde, when the past two days I haven't even voted the same as them? I can't tell what you mean, are you saying that us three were wrong because the people lynched the last two days were good and that we three voted for them? In which case you would have you facts incorrect, because I didn't vote for CR or Kwhit.

[Blade6119]

How can you lump me with saldana and izulde, when the past two days I haven't even voted the same as them? I can't tell what you mean, are you saying that us three were wrong because the people lynched the last two days were good and that we three voted for them? In which case you would have you facts incorrect, because I didn't vote for CR or Kwhit.

The group=the entire game, not my top 3 suspects

[Abe Sargent]

Anxiety, are you willing to confirm the meaning of the text color on the roster list?

I didn't really think it'd be confusing, but illuminating.

[saldana]

i could take blades statements as an accusation, but seeing as how i feel exactly the same way about him as he does about me, i really dont care what he thinks about my choices...i voted for Chief because he voted for me using what i considered to be faulty logic...i voted for Kwhit based on his vote switching yesterday, and for his putting YOU, blade, under the gun immediately after you went to class....i hardly think that qualifies as no proof...was it airtight? of course not. have people been lynched with less? you know they have, as it has often been you.

like i said, i think you need to be scanned or dead pretty soon, too, but you arent high enough up on my list that you will likely get my vote tomorrow.

[saldana]

dola, as far as looking in another direction, give me one to go in...you want to go after sublime2 tomorrow, i dont really see a reason to...but i'd be willing to give your gut a try.

[saldana]

hey Chief, dont worry about it, but dont be surprised when we all vote for you on day one next game :D

[Fouts]

Hey everyone,

I thought I would take a moment to apologize to everyone for my exit message yesterday. I was put off by the way things went down and some of the reasonings used to lynch me, and stupidly decided to post before letting things calm down.

I think my post was very poor form, and not like me at all. I have been killed in previous WW games and not had any sort of reaction like this, so I hope you will forgive my lapse here. This was the first time I had been the victim of this sort of early lynch, and now I see why people get upset about being targeted by it (Lathum leaps to mind in the RE game, and GoldenEagle in Tombstone, not to point the spotlight elsewhere, just noting this seems to be a common phenomenon).

So I am sorry I did not handle it as well as I could have.

Good luck and good times with the rest of the game.

Wait until I get ahold of the those responsible for my night 1 lynch. It will NOT be pretty!!! ;)

[Abe Sargent]

The sun brings with it doubt and shame over your previous actions the past couple of days. You were hoping a new way would wash the guilt from your fingers, but that was not to be. You rub your eyes with a ferocity that belies your self-doubt. You try to rub away the day, as if it were a dream. Alas, it is not.

As you rise, you hear a scream coming from the city walls. You immediately dress and head out the door. The scream came from one of the small houses by the city gates – that’s where the town guard is housed. You plunge into the house with the open door and spy several of your number already there.

As you spy the scene, you stop breathing for a moment.

Last night, someone broke into the house and killed Sirrion Huddlestump while he slept next to his wife. His throat was slit and then a dagger or knife stabbed his chest through several times. The blood pooled in the bed with his sleeping wife.

His wife, Flawuria Huddlestump, apparently woke up grieving next to her dead husband, and in a rash of depression, slashed her wrists with a kitchen knife and then crept next to her husband to bled to death while holding his corpse.

The combined blood from the two grisly deaths is enough to soak the sheets and bed in a dark crimson. The tang of steel and salt is in the air – the taste of blood.

A quick inspection shows that Sirrion was just a town guard and Flawuria was just his wife, with no additional allegiances. You exit the building as a group and cannot bring yourself to step back into that tomb of death. Instead, you notice that this building is a bit separate from the rest of the nearby buildings, and one of you grabs a cooking torch and tosses it on top of the small house. The pitch quick catches the roof on fire and soon the house is a smoldering skeleton.

You return to your breakfasts with the night’s horror fresh in your head. How could anything get worse? As you begin to gather, one of you notes that the old dwarf, Grum Rumblebelly is missing. It’s not like the old guy to miss a meal, so you head off to a small rock house at the edge of town to investigate.

You find his door still locked. Is he asleep still? A hobbit is able to pick the lock on the door in a few minutes and heads into the building. A hobbit can fit more easily than men in a dwarfhold. The hobbit emerges in a few seconds with a pale face and stumbles to the ground, weeping. You cannot get any words out of him.

Several of the smaller framed people squeeze into the building and stop in a shock that obliterates the earlier emotion you experienced with the Huddlestumps.

Grum Rumblebelly is lying on his bed, with a face patterned in black lines that cross his visage. A closer look reveals that pattern across his exposed arms and feet. It is a sickly black, almost the darkest shade of green you could imagine. The unhealthy color is the only color left in the old dwarf’s skin. The rest is a sheer white. Not even a real white, but more of a colorless white.

Nothing normal happened here. You quickly say a few words and leave, deciding to turn the rock house into a cairn. You pile rocks around it and on top of it for an hour.

After your work, your assembly reconvenes, this time much diminished.


Lathum, saldana, and st. cronin have been killed.


Night Three has ended. Day Four has begun and will end at 10:00 pm EST Thursday.



-Anxiety

[hoopsguy]

Even when the bad guys don't explicitly kill Saldana he still finds a way to die early in games. Sad and amazing at the same time.

[Fouts]

3 in one night? Evil, evil moderator.

[Lorena]

Oh dang, 3 good veterans gone, that hit us pretty hard :(

[LoneStarGirl]

how is that possible? well i guess the suicide doesn't count, so they got two. Bastards

[LoneStarGirl]

vote izulde

I really think we need to start focusing on izulde. He has been throwing out accusations with no real proof to back them up. At first he said blade was too 'quiet' so he voted for him, and yesterday he said i was being too quiet, which wasn't my normal game, when he has never played with me. And anybody who has played with me, (spleen, lathum, dodgerchick), knows that in every game i've been accused of being too quiet. He is throwing around accusations with nothing to back them up. But hey, if somebody can vouch for izulde and tell me why you think he's in the light, ill be more than happy to take my vote off an throw it on somebody else.

[LoneStarGirl]

Alant, or somebody who likes to analyze 1000+ posts, what do you think about izulde's play so far? Everything he is throwing out there is the exact opposite of what im feeling and compared to some he's been considerably under the radar. Thoughts?

[Alan T]

Alant, or somebody who likes to analyze 1000+ posts, what do you think about izulde's play so far? Everything he is throwing out there is the exact opposite of what im feeling and compared to some he's been considerably under the radar. Thoughts?

Well, I don't have any problems with him accusing Blade. In fact I encourage everyone to do that. :D His interaction with you, I don't believe he was the only one who mentioned you. I think BrianD supported you and Tyrith seemed more middle of the road, but I don't remember you being overly pushed yesterday.

I fear that this is my first game with Izulde, so I am trying to get used to his playing style some. If I was going to vote for someone quiet, there are many people I would vote before him. If I was going to vote for someone who I think has been very wrong about their votes I would vote Blade.

[saldana]

i hate this game

[st.cronin]

i had a feeling

[spleen1015]

i had a feeling

i hate this game

I will avenge thee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Lathum]

so does anyone else find Saldana's signiture ironic?

Flawuria Huddlestump, hah !!!!!!!

oh yeah, i hate this game also.

[ntndeacon]

Well there goes the idea that only one darkness faction can kill folks

[BrianD]

Anxiety, can you temporarily put aside the language rules? I'm not sure I can properly respond to that writeup without using some bad words.

Has there ever been a game where two characters were linked so closely that the killing of one triggered the death of the other? That seems fairly harsh.

[Alan T]

Well there goes the idea that only one darkness faction can kill folks

I don't know about that. It happened pretty much like I said I expected it to. I stand by what i said a few days ago.

I think Sauron's forces get a kill every night and Saruman's side has some secondary bad guy roles including an assassination attempt that can be used either once, or once every few nights starting on night 3.

I do not see anything that changes my opinion on the matter. This went pretty much like I predicted.

[Alan T]

Anxiety, can you temporarily put aside the language rules? I'm not sure I can properly respond to that writeup without using some bad words.

Has there ever been a game where two characters were linked so closely that the killing of one triggered the death of the other? That seems fairly harsh.

Sure, its a common thing in the Lover role. Often used with Brothers roles too. I died once this way because my "brother" got night killed and it took me out too.

[Alan T]

Dola, its basically like Romeo and Juliet. One loved the other so much that their death triggered their desire to not live anymore and they killed themselves also.

Thats the downside to the lover role. The upside is usually they can communicate via PM and share a CoT and thoughts on people.

[SnDvls]

stick a fork in the villagers it's a long road for them now

good luck anyhow

[BrianD]

Dola, its basically like Romeo and Juliet. One loved the other so much that their death triggered their desire to not live anymore and they killed themselves also.

Thats the downside to the lover role. The upside is usually they can communicate via PM and share a CoT and thoughts on people.

Interesting. I don't think I'd ever seen those in games I've been in.

[Thomkal]

Ugh, what a horrible night for us good guys. More interesting to me though than the people that were killed were the two that were not. Blade thought he might die last night and did not. And Schmidty acted like he had an important role to play for good and he wasn't killed either. Hmmmm....

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I don't know about that. It happened pretty much like I said I expected it to. I stand by what i said a few days ago.

I think Sauron's forces get a kill every night and Saruman's side has some secondary bad guy roles including an assassination attempt that can be used either once, or once every few nights starting on night 3.

I do not see anything that changes my opinion on the matter. This went pretty much like I predicted.

I'm with Alan on this one. To me, it appears that st.cronin was killed by the Sauron forces (violent death) while Lathum's death screams black magic. I wonder if it just takes a couple of days for the magic to do its work, thus the only kill for Saruman.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I hate to lose three villagers, but I'm glad to see that I was right about Lathum. However, I was way off on saldana and st.cronin. Back to the drawing board I go.

[spleen1015]

stick a fork in the villagers it's a long road for them now

good luck anyhow

I'm not so sure about this. There are 17 folks left. On the light side, we have townsfolk and rangers. The victory conditions for these 2 groups don't depend on the other being eliminated, so we can work together.

I'm trying to figure out how many good people are left and how many bad people are left. I think I lack the experience in these big games to know how many folks there were for each dark faftion at the start of the game. I'm thinking it is possibly 3 a piece with the abilty to convert.

So, looking a starting postions, I think we still have an 11-5 advantage. The problem is with the multiple kills per night. We need to figure out who's who at this point. I don't think it is a bad idea for the seer to start letting us know what they've found especially if they know who is a bad guy.

Could someone with more experience in the big games give their opinion on how many dark side folks there might be at this point?

I don't see any reason to change the vote I made yesterday, so I am going to stick with that. Let's get the ball rolling.

VOTE Tyrith

[Alan T]

I hate to lose three villagers, but I'm glad to see that I was right about Lathum. However, I was way off on saldana and st.cronin. Back to the drawing board I go.

I actually was starting to distrust St.Cronin based mainly on him still being around. He was an active player without any lynching heat on him trying to drive people to logical methods of voting (whether you agreed with his logic or not, he applied a very detailed and thought out reasons for why he felt we should do what they are doing.)

That is the exact type of player that I would expect to be night killed, so if he was still around much longer I likely would have started to get suspicious of him.

Now that we know what we do about the day 2 vote between Lathum and Chief we know it was villager vs villager run off. Its pretty funny though that Tyrith predicted St.Cronin's death in a pool of blood last night.

I'm wondering if there is any value in looking at the people who have been hiding their votes somewhat. Something like Brian's voting pattern jumps out at me. Day one vote for Spleen (with late jump to Scoobz after he was already surely lynched), day 2 vote for Lathum and day 3 vote for Tyrith.

[Alan T]

I'm not so sure about this. There are 17 folks left. On the light side, we have townsfolk and rangers. The victory conditions for these 2 groups don't depend on the other being eliminated, so we can work together.

I'm trying to figure out how many good people are left and how many bad people are left. I think I lack the experience in these big games to know how many folks there were for each dark faftion at the start of the game. I'm thinking it is possibly 3 a piece with the abilty to convert.

So, looking a starting postions, I think we still have an 11-5 advantage. The problem is with the multiple kills per night. We need to figure out who's who at this point. I don't think it is a bad idea for the seer to start letting us know what they've found especially if they know who is a bad guy.

Could someone with more experience in the big games give their opinion on how many dark side folks there might be at this point?

I don't see any reason to change the vote I made yesterday, so I am going to stick with that. Let's get the ball rolling.

VOTE Tyrith

My guess is we started with 3 bad guys per team (or 2 + conversion ability) and 3 rangers (or 2 + conversion ability). I think we likely started with 2-3 neutral roles. That would leave roughly 12-14 villagers to start.

My guess was:

13 Villagers
3 Saruman (or 2+1)
3 Sauron (or 2+1)
3 Rangers (or 2+1)
3 Neutral.

THat would make the current numbers:

7 Villagers
2? Saruman (depending on what Scoobz was)
3 Sauron
3 Rangers
2 Neutral (or possibly 1 depending on what Scoobz was).

This is my best guess with the thinking that most likely any conversion possibilities there were have been used by now for most teams. There might be chances of multiple conversion chances on some timer however.

[Blade6119]

Ugh, what a horrible night for us good guys. More interesting to me though than the people that were killed were the two that were not. Blade thought he might die last night and did not. And Schmidty acted like he had an important role to play for good and he wasn't killed either. Hmmmm....

My thoughts exactly...im rather suprised neither bad army took a shot at who i figured they would, unless they were afraid of a block.

[Blade6119]

i could take blades statements as an accusation, but seeing as how i feel exactly the same way about him as he does about me, i really dont care what he thinks about my choices...i voted for Chief because he voted for me using what i considered to be faulty logic...i voted for Kwhit based on his vote switching yesterday, and for his putting YOU, blade, under the gun immediately after you went to class....i hardly think that qualifies as no proof...was it airtight? of course not. have people been lynched with less? you know they have, as it has often been you.

like i said, i think you need to be scanned or dead pretty soon, too, but you arent high enough up on my list that you will likely get my vote tomorrow.

I know your dead, but i figured i would simply say you were 3rd behind sublime and izulde. You werent being accused like you think, just mentioned along with the other two. Im sorry you died, i was looking forward to playing with you a little longer.

[Blade6119]

VOTE SUBLIME 2

[ntndeacon]

My thoughts exactly...im rather suprised neither bad army took a shot at who i figured they would, unless they were afraid of a block.

I kinda thought that another would be targeted last night too. I am surprised both women made it through the night. in addition to Blade

[BrianD]

I'm wondering if there is any value in looking at the people who have been hiding their votes somewhat. Something like Brian's voting pattern jumps out at me. Day one vote for Spleen (with late jump to Scoobz after he was already surely lynched), day 2 vote for Lathum and day 3 vote for Tyrith.

Was it a sure lynch of Scoobz when I voted for him? I don't know the exact vote count (nor did I at the time), but I wanted to make sure we had a majority. Day 2 I thought Lathum was more suspicious than Chief Rum, and I still think Tyrith is suspicious.

[Tyrith]

I actually was starting to distrust St.Cronin based mainly on him still being around. He was an active player without any lynching heat on him trying to drive people to logical methods of voting (whether you agreed with his logic or not, he applied a very detailed and thought out reasons for why he felt we should do what they are doing.)

That is the exact type of player that I would expect to be night killed, so if he was still around much longer I likely would have started to get suspicious of him.

Now that we know what we do about the day 2 vote between Lathum and Chief we know it was villager vs villager run off. Its pretty funny though that Tyrith predicted St.Cronin's death in a pool of blood last night.

I'm wondering if there is any value in looking at the people who have been hiding their votes somewhat. Something like Brian's voting pattern jumps out at me. Day one vote for Spleen (with late jump to Scoobz after he was already surely lynched), day 2 vote for Lathum and day 3 vote for Tyrith.

I actually got st.cronin AND saldana with that one.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

You were the last to vote for Scoobz (you made it 15), so we were already over the limit needed.

[BrianD]

You were the last to vote for Scoobz (you made it 15), so we were already over the limit needed.

Well like I said, I wasn't counting that closely. You can believe me or not.

[Blade6119]

Now that we know what we do about the day 2 vote between Lathum and Chief we know it was villager vs villager run off. Its pretty funny though that Tyrith predicted St.Cronin's death in a pool of blood last night.

I'm wondering if there is any value in looking at the people who have been hiding their votes somewhat. Something like Brian's voting pattern jumps out at me. Day one vote for Spleen (with late jump to Scoobz after he was already surely lynched), day 2 vote for Lathum and day 3 vote for Tyrith.

Yes, god damn me for being right when i openly stated i didnt think either chief or lathum were bad that day. It must make me evil for being right. Just a few hours ago you were accusing me of always being wrong with my votes, yet so far all thats been proven was i made the right move while you did not. But, despite the fact you are not my top suspect, here you are spinning the lynch away from you again in the bolded part.

Now, i could have totally agreed with you since it would make it easier to get sublime lynched with his voting record, but i felt this statement needed to be made as with the death of the 3 last night there is a much smaller group of players who are willing to stand up to you.

[Alan T]

Was it a sure lynch of Scoobz when I voted for him? I don't know the exact vote count (nor did I at the time), but I wanted to make sure we had a majority. Day 2 I thought Lathum was more suspicious than Chief Rum, and I still think Tyrith is suspicious.

Yep, vote recap was posted at 8:32 saying there was 10 votes for Scoobz. You posted right after that so were in the thread responding to things. The 13th vote and lynching vote was made at 9pm, with another vote after that.

You voted the 15th vote, switching your vote 20 minutes after the 14th vote once it seemed a dead lock and on the same page with a previous vote count update stating how many votes Scoobz had.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Well, unfortunately we had a villager vs. villager runoff on day 2. So any bad guys who weren't trying to "hide in plain view" probably split and buried their votes.

[Alan T]

Yes, god damn me for being right when i openly stated i didnt think either chief or lathum were bad that day. It must make me evil for being right. Just a few hours ago you were accusing me of always being wrong with my votes, yet so far all thats been proven was i made the right move while you did not. But, despite the fact you are not my top suspect, here you are spinning the lynch away from you again in the bolded part.

Now, i could have totally agreed with you since it would make it easier to get sublime lynched with his voting record, but i felt this statement needed to be made as with the death of the 3 last night there is a much smaller group of players who are willing to stand up to you.

Oh Good grief Blade, get over the persecuted act already. In the quote you posted, you can very clearly see I was refering to Brian's voting patterns and have followed it up with discussion on him. What in your mind could you possibly think that post had anything whatsoever to do with you?

Oh I forgot, every one of my posts is a subtle hint to try to get you lynched.

[BrianD]

Yep, vote recap was posted at 8:32 saying there was 10 votes for Scoobz. You posted right after that so were in the thread responding to things. The 13th vote and lynching vote was made at 9pm, with another vote after that.

You voted the 15th vote, switching your vote 20 minutes after the 14th vote once it seemed a dead lock and on the same page with a previous vote count update stating how many votes Scoobz had.

I'll take your word for it. I remember not knowing exactly what the situation was at the time and wanting to make sure we didn't come up short. If it was unnecessary and suspicious...so be it.

[Blade6119]

Well, I don't have any problems with him accusing Blade. In fact I encourage everyone to do that. :D His interaction with you, I don't believe he was the only one who mentioned you. I think BrianD supported you and Tyrith seemed more middle of the road, but I don't remember you being overly pushed yesterday.

I fear that this is my first game with Izulde, so I am trying to get used to his playing style some. If I was going to vote for someone quiet, there are many people I would vote before him. If I was going to vote for someone who I think has been very wrong about their votes I would vote Blade.

3 hours ago alan, read it..you cant tell me that i should ignore that post when you make other comments about who to vote for

[Alan T]

3 hours ago alan, read it..you cant tell me that i should ignore that post when you make other comments about who to vote for

Next time I will make sure to put more than one of these in a post where I am joking: :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Give it a rest already, I very clearly said there that voting for you would only be out of spite because of posts of yours exactly like this.

[Blade6119]

Next time I will make sure to put more than one of these in a post where I am joking: :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Give it a rest already, I very clearly said there that voting for you would only be out of spite because of posts of yours exactly like this.

The top one was a joke, the bottom one wasnt. I said sublime i my top target, but i think its become very clear the bad guys have adopted a kill the vets strategy(vocal vets at least). So when i look around, i dont see too many left...i see you, i see me...

There are other vets around, but they have been far quieter. So when i see all the "vocal" vets die except you and me, and i know im good, i cant trust you right now. Id rather have sublime lynched, but much like your reasoning you stated here for cronin, its hard for me to ignore you:

I actually was starting to distrust St.Cronin based mainly on him still being around. He was an active player without any lynching heat on him trying to drive people to logical methods of voting (whether you agreed with his logic or not, he applied a very detailed and thought out reasons for why he felt we should do what they are doing.)

That is the exact type of player that I would expect to be night killed, so if he was still around much longer I likely would have started to get suspicious of him.

[Alan T]

The top one was a joke, the bottom one wasnt. I said sublime i my top target, but i think its become very clear the bad guys have adopted a kill the vets strategy(vocal vets at least). So when i look around, i dont see too many left...i see you, i see me...

There are other vets around, but they have been far quieter. So when i see all the "vocal" vets die except you and me, and i know im good, i cant trust you right now. Id rather have sublime lynched, but much like your reasoning you stated here for cronin, its hard for me to ignore you:

Thats fair enough, I have no problem if people want to be suspicious over my being around right now. As long as you're ready to go down that path with me.

I personally think its a waste as my top suspects right now are:

BrianD, Mr.Wednesday, Tyrith, Izulde, Schmidty

and my most UtR people I am considering right now are:

Swaggs, ntndeacon, Sublime

I have absolutely little trust in anyone right now, the only one I was starting to feel good about (Lathum) died last night. Before last night, my top two suspects were St.Cronin and Saldana.

Now if you want to make this entire day about you and me and ready to go to a lynch over it we can definitly do that. But right now I'm seeing this as an attempt to try to distract everyone from the points I am making about BrianD more than anything else.

[Tyrith]

I'm going to play devil's advocate for a second and go with the people blade has been talking about. Saldana, well, I've never liked him....oh, wait, you mean he's dead already? Aw. :P

Sublime 2 - Hasn't been on the lynched candidate either of the last two days. His posts generally seem to indicate he's just trying to do the right thing and he's a little overwhelmed right now....if this isn't setting off alarms in your head considering who is posting this, it should be. I pulled off this BS scheme before. The fact that he wasn't on the lynchee means we can't read his votes, so we don't know what side he's on. Would a more experienced bad guy help along with this plan? I certainly think it's possible. I started picking up a real bad vibe about Sublime yesterday because of the parallels with myself, so consider me suspicious.

Izulde - I really don't know. I read over his posts yesterday evening and didn't get anything too alarming...but now that I look again, the accusations do cause problems. I'm suspicious here too, but I don't have nearly as much to back it up. Sublime would come first if I were to vote between the two.

I'm still suspicious of most of the quieter people that have done middle-late votes on rum and kwhit...gram for sure, lsg, Mr.W (would be playing a really nice game because he's doing his best to make it seem like he's a team player), and Thomkal. And with Schmidty....well, he could be dropping hints he has a really big role, or there could be some nonsense going on.

[Blade6119]

Thats fair enough, I have no problem if people want to be suspicious over my being around right now. As long as you're ready to go down that path with me.

I personally think its a waste as my top suspects right now are:

BrianD, Mr.Wednesday, Tyrith, Izulde, Schmidty

and my most UtR people I am considering right now are:

Swaggs, ntndeacon, Sublime

I have absolutely little trust in anyone right now, the only one I was starting to feel good about (Lathum) died last night. Before last night, my top two suspects were St.Cronin and Saldana.

Now if you want to make this entire day about you and me and ready to go to a lynch over it we can definitly do that. But right now I'm seeing this as an attempt to try to distract everyone from the points I am making about BrianD more than anything else.
Yes, when i said repeatedly sublime was my #1 and izulde is my #2 i want to force a lynch between the two of us. I swear, as hung up on you as you think i am, you really are hung up on me in your mind having no goal in this game but killing you. Its rather ironic how similar we feel the other player is playing us.

[Tyrith]

Oh, I forgot to talk about Brian. Yeah, I don't have a good read on him because I haven't played with too much, but he sure is good at acting suspicious in general. I wish we had some way to start a CoT at all instead of being on Day 4 running around like chickens with our heads cut off. NOTE: I am not advocating role reveals of critical people, don't accuse me of being a wolf for that :P

[Tyrith]

Alan, blade, unless you two want to screw us all FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING STOP BICKERING.

[Blade6119]

I'm going to play devil's advocate for a second and go with the people blade has been talking about. Saldana, well, I've never liked him....oh, wait, you mean he's dead already? Aw. :P

Sublime 2 - Hasn't been on the lynched candidate either of the last two days. His posts generally seem to indicate he's just trying to do the right thing and he's a little overwhelmed right now....if this isn't setting off alarms in your head considering who is posting this, it should be. I pulled off this BS scheme before. The fact that he wasn't on the lynchee means we can't read his votes, so we don't know what side he's on. Would a more experienced bad guy help along with this plan? I certainly think it's possible. I started picking up a real bad vibe about Sublime yesterday because of the parallels with myself, so consider me suspicious.

Izulde - I really don't know. I read over his posts yesterday evening and didn't get anything too alarming...but now that I look again, the accusations do cause problems. I'm suspicious here too, but I don't have nearly as much to back it up. Sublime would come first if I were to vote between the two.

I'm still suspicious of most of the quieter people that have done middle-late votes on rum and kwhit...gram for sure, lsg, Mr.W (would be playing a really nice game because he's doing his best to make it seem like he's a team player), and Thomkal. And with Schmidty....well, he could be dropping hints he has a really big role, or there could be some nonsense going on.

The reasons for sublime are based on this game only...my reasons for izulde are heavily based upon the fact last time i saw him play, in which he was evil, i feel he played basically the exact same game. So take it for what you will, but no one can accuse me of not saying what im thinking

Oh, and now i have a 4th canidate, becuase they werent killed last night. If this person doesnt die tonight, they will go much further up my list.

[Tyrith]

The reasons for sublime are based on this game only...my reasons for izulde are heavily based upon the fact last time i saw him play, in which he was evil, i feel he played basically the exact same game. So take it for what you will, but no one can accuse me of not saying what im thinking

Oh, and now i have a 4th canidate, becuase they werent killed last night. If this person doesnt die tonight, they will go much further up my list.

Bad idea to give them this. Now they can screw with us if they can figure out who that person is (and I don't think it's going to be too hard).

[Alan T]

I'll take your word for it. I remember not knowing exactly what the situation was at the time and wanting to make sure we didn't come up short. If it was unnecessary and suspicious...so be it.

Well to get back to the point i was -trying- to make before that intermission...

I do find your moves suspicious so far. The late meaningless move onto a bad guy, followed by the insistence the next day that no bad guys could possibly have known he was bad when in fact it hasn't been proved one way or another.

The next two days managing to stay off of the person being lynched (day 2 when it was villager vs villager) and yesterday when it was villager vs unknown are a little less suspicious, but just adds to what i saw on day 1.

In this game the bad guys don't necessarily know who all the other bad guys are, but they just know who isn't on their team.

[Blade6119]

Bad idea to give them this. Now they can screw with us if they can figure out who that person is (and I don't think it's going to be too hard).

The person did it to herself with comments made recently...i was going to let it slide for awhile, but comments made make me much more doubtful now.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I said sublime i my top target, but i think its become very clear the bad guys have adopted a kill the vets strategy(vocal vets at least). So when i look around, i dont see too many left...i see you, i see me...

Just to throw this out for discussion: Doesn't it make sense to keep you two around? Why not keep two vocal vets so that people will be suspicious of you?

For what it's worth, I think Alan is good. I still have reservations on you (mainly because of the first day), but you're not high on my list.

[KWhit]

I got lynched!?!? Sheesh.

That was ummm... Not very smart.

I made a late vote switch that almost made a no-lynch. It was shown that the guy I very nearly saved (CR) was a good guy. Then why in the world would you guys lynch me? I figured I'd be closer to a circle of trust than a lynch victim.

Oh well. Ya'll have fun.

[Abe Sargent]

Yes, god damn me for being right when i openly stated i didnt think either chief or lathum were bad that day. It must make me evil for being right. Just a few hours ago you were accusing me of always being wrong with my votes, yet so far all thats been proven was i made the right move while you did not. But, despite the fact you are not my top suspect, here you are spinning the lynch away from you again in the bolded part.

Now, i could have totally agreed with you since it would make it easier to get sublime lynched with his voting record, but i felt this statement needed to be made as with the death of the 3 last night there is a much smaller group of players who are willing to stand up to you.

Watch the language

[Blade6119]

Watch the language
Gosh darn me, sorry

[Blade6119]

Alright, this is eventually going to get me lynched, but the new and improved list:

1.Sublime
2.Izulde
2.Thomkal

2 and 3 are tied for 2

4.?? is a ways back, and is now strongly tied to #2b

[Izulde]

vote izulde

I really think we need to start focusing on izulde. He has been throwing out accusations with no real proof to back them up. At first he said blade was too 'quiet' so he voted for him, and yesterday he said i was being too quiet, which wasn't my normal game, when he has never played with me. And anybody who has played with me, (spleen, lathum, dodgerchick), knows that in every game i've been accused of being too quiet. He is throwing around accusations with nothing to back them up. But hey, if somebody can vouch for izulde and tell me why you think he's in the light, ill be more than happy to take my vote off an throw it on somebody else.

Yes I have played with you. Remember that beginner game? And that other one game I was in where I got night killed early, you may have been in that, too.

[Tyrith]

Okay, I might as well put my money where my mouth is and get this mess started.

VOTE SUBLIME 2

[Izulde]

Well, since I still have my suspicions about LSG and her quietness and she was my initial vote yesterday.. and she suddenly can't remember that I've played with her before... on the block she goes.

VOTE LONESTARGIRL

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Right now, ntndeacon is high on my list. On day 1 he voted for Swaggs. Day 2 he was the third vote for Lathum. And yesterday, after being called out by Alan, he started ranting about KWhit. At that time, KWhit only had three votes. It was shortly after that that the piling on KWhit began. ntndeacon didn't add his vote until he was number 8.

[Tyrith]

Well, since I still have my suspicions about LSG and her quietness and she was my initial vote yesterday.. and she suddenly can't remember that I've played with her before... on the block she goes.

VOTE LONESTARGIRL

Stuff like forgetting that she had played with you before seems highly unlikely to be wolfish to me. A fact that can be easily checked is a bad choice of fact to try to pass off on the rest of us. I wish you'd come up with some other reason than her being quiet to suspect her because votes like this will set off alarms with most of the people in this game.

[LoneStarGirl]

Alan, blade, unless you two want to screw us all FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING STOP BICKERING.

Amen, good grief it is getting ridiculous

[Lorena]

Ugh, what a horrible night for us good guys. More interesting to me though than the people that were killed were the two that were not. Blade thought he might die last night and did not. And Schmidty acted like he had an important role to play for good and he wasn't killed either. Hmmmm....

Yup, I thought the same.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Izulde,

I've had my suspicions of LSG, too, but your actions yesterday smell fishy. You jumped on the KWhit bandwagon in the middle (fifth vote) and then pushed for saldana to keep his vote for KWhit instead of LSG. Why were you so eager to have KWhit lynched?

[Alan T]

The same amount of facts i had against you last game...just my gut. The group has tried alan/saldana's gut, and i dont remember who started todays lynch. Maybe its time we try mine and lynch sublime.

Right now, ntndeacon is high on my list. On day 1 he voted for Swaggs. Day 2 he was the third vote for Lathum. And yesterday, after being called out by Alan, he started ranting about KWhit. At that time, KWhit only had three votes. It was shortly after that that the piling on KWhit began. ntndeacon didn't add his vote until he was number 8.

I was debating something similar. One of my thoughts was someone who voted for Lathum day 2, and once he fell out of the lynch spotlight went ahead and night killed him last night. My thinking is the Lathum kill was Saruman's "assassination" kill action and that once again drew me to thinking about people who wern't fond of killing Scoobz on night1.

This thinking is what actually led me to BrianD in looking at voting patterns this morning, but ntndeacon follows the same pattern. Day 1 Swaggs, day 2 Lathum. Mr. Wednesday also seems to fit the pattern some too. (which you can see where I based my immediate distrust list from.)

I voted ntndeacon yesterday due to him being super under the radar, and the fact he seems to fit in the profile that I can invision a bad guy in, I wouldn't have a problem voting for him again today. (That and the contribution he made after I voted for him yesterday was mostly rehashing already stated arguements).

[LoneStarGirl]

Although I am very suspicous about Izulde, I agree with where everybody is going about sublime. So for the sake of lynch, if sublime needs an extra push to make sure he dies today, ill switch my vote... but not until closer to 10

[Alan T]

dola, ignore the first quote by blade. I was going to make a reply to blade earlier and started multi-quoting stuff and decided it would be childish for me to do that and stopped. I didn't clear out all of my multiquote buffer. only the last quote is applicable to this post.

[LoneStarGirl]

I believe that both Blade and Alant are good, they are bickering like they usually do, just more heatidly. On the other side of the spectrum, the people that i really think are wolves are

1. izulde
2. sublime
3. BrianD

Everybody else im in the middle with.... hopefully by putting pressure on izulde and sublime we will find out a lot today.

[Alan T]

I'll go ahead and put the vote out I guess. I'll go with yesterday's vote for ntndeacon then.

Vote Ntndeacon

[Jonathan Ezarik]

VOTE ntndeacon

I'm hoping this puts some pressure on him so we can see how he responds.

[Izulde]

Izulde,

I've had my suspicions of LSG, too, but your actions yesterday smell fishy. You jumped on the KWhit bandwagon in the middle (fifth vote) and then pushed for saldana to keep his vote for KWhit instead of LSG. Why were you so eager to have KWhit lynched?

Because I'm of the belief that it's better to have a lynch than no lynch and because by my own reasoning of LSG's quietness, KWhit had been the same too. Besides, other people mentioned some voting oddity.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Besides, other people mentioned some voting oddity.

Do you know what the voting oddity was?