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[Alan T]

Swaggs do you get to use your ability at any point during the day or is it lynch time only?

To play devil's advocate some more.. What if Anxiety did provide Spleen the name Hob, granted it would be silly rediculous for him to make the name mistake calling himself nob multiple times when that was Chief's role...

but he did say he was the stable boy which indeed was Bob's job. So to play devil's advocate, what if it was Anxiety who mixed up the names and not Spleen.

So to tackle this from a different viewpoint, how would he have known to call himself the stable boy but mess up the name if he didnt have the role?

[Alan T]

Sure.

What he is telling you is that using the fact that my name doesn't match the pages of a book is a poor reason to vote for me and you shouldn't do it.

I'm telling you guys, I'm a good guy and my name not matching the book has no bearing on the game.

I actually don't like this arguement, not for wolfish reasons but for gamemanship reasons. I don't think its fair to assume Anxiety posted that because you were good or to assume its because you were bad. There can be arguements made for both sides.

I think Anxiety's post instead directs us to look at this from a different viewpoint, which is what i attempted to do with my last post.

[Grammaticus]

Oh and for clarification, Veteran’s Day is tomorrow, but likely celebrated at the workplace today. For example my company took our Armed Services Veteran’s to lunch today. Veteran’s Day is November 11th every year.

[DaddyTorgo]

hmmmm

so it's spleen today we are focused on? and then attention turning to ntndeacon or sublime 2?

are we content to put spleen to the test today without a two-horse race to try to put pressure on someone else?

spleen's slip-up combined with his general play in this game has been suspicious, and I have actually been eyeing him for the past several days wondering (illuvatar's honest truth).

[Alan T]

Swaggs do you get to use your ability at any point during the day or is it lynch time only?

To play devil's advocate some more.. What if Anxiety did provide Spleen the name Hob, granted it would be silly rediculous for him to make the name mistake calling himself nob multiple times when that was Chief's role...

but he did say he was the stable boy which indeed was Bob's job. So to play devil's advocate, what if it was Anxiety who mixed up the names and not Spleen.

So to tackle this from a different viewpoint, how would he have known to call himself the stable boy but mess up the name if he didnt have the role?

To follow up on this, if he wasn't the stable boy, wouldn't the real stable boy (regardless of what he is named) have stood up by now to say that he was the stable boy and Spleen is lying? I mean stable boy isnt really a super secret role to hide when the rest of us have revealed roles

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting that everyone Thom has scanned has come up clean...someone want to do the math on the odds of that?

*raised eyebrow*

[Mr. Wednesday]

Hmm... dunno what to make of our GM message, but I'm leaning towards Alan's reasoning.

[Alan T]

Well, time for me to break things open a bit more, then...

I am Barliman Butterbur, owner of the Prancing Pony. Barliman was a real character name in Middle Earth lore and Chief Rum's character, Nob, was a real character that worked at the Inn, as well. Yesterday, I was fishing around to see if there was a player named "Bob," as he was also a worker at the Inn, but no one stepped forward and now I would not trust anyone who did.

As a barkeep, I have the ability to make people comfortable enough to tell me the truth. I can do this only once every two nights. If you will notice, I have been trying, with pretty poor results, my ass off since day one to make people come out and say that they were on the side of light.

Even though I kept fishing and fishing, I could not find any quote of value on Night 1. On Night 2, I caught Lathum saying, "Honestly I am a plain villegar so if I am lynched all you'll get is voting patterns which could be helpfull," which I found out to be true. He was not on the block the following day, so I kept the information to myself and he was lynched that night.

Yesterday, there were a number of folks who made usable statements, including Thomkal and Izulde. And I even asked Blade which he suspected more... but then Thomkal made an even better quote in self defense, "I get which side they are on-light, darkness. I have viewed Jonathan, Mr. W, and Schmidty-all are good." Unfortunately, I found out that my ability only works on one fact, so after thinking about it, I chose to the part about whether or not Jon, Mr. W, and Schmidty are all good and Thomkal believes that they are.

These four players: Jonathan, Mr. Wednesday, Schmidty, and Thomkal all jump into my circle of trust. Alan and Izulde are now on the cusp of it, as well. And Alan's list is very similar to my own, it appears, so I think we now have the ability to break things open.

Swaggs sorry for all the questions.. just trying to figure out how to handle this.. In this post you reveal your role and reveal Nob and Bob, but dont say anything about the stable worker... In your role description are you told about two brothers working for you? Or just basing it off of Chief Rum's death?

[ntndeacon]

Alan, I would like to throw you a hypothetical.

Let's make the assumption that I am good for the time being (Since it is just a hypothetical at the moment you can play along :) ) How would knowing I was good change the game right now besides getting the lynch pressure Ihave recieved off and on to stop. Who would become more suspected?

[Alan T]

Alan, I would like to throw you a hypothetical.

Let's make the assumption that I am good for the time being (Since it is just a hypothetical at the moment you can play along :) ) How would knowing I was good change the game right now besides getting the lynch pressure Ihave recieved off and on to stop. Who would become more suspected?

Who do you think it should go to? :)

[Swaggs]

I'm not moving off of Spleen today.

I just don't buy his story. I think he looked up my name on wikipedia or Google and saw the names Nob and Bob on there. I can't look past the fact that he gave the name of someone who was already killed and didn't correct it until called on it. If he had corrected it himself, I may have believed him, but I suspect he didn't want to draw further attention to it after realizing his mistake and then made up this Hob story.

[DaddyTorgo]

A spleen vote seems the most logical to me at this point that's for true.

[Sublime 2]

Well I'm heading to the bar...in case I get too inebriated at the Prancing Pony:

Vote Spleen

Despite Anxiety's message, spleen still slipped up more than once calling himself by CR's name. Too many accidents for me.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE SPLEEN

I'm in from my 6 hours of hell at work, so excepting a couple short breaks I should be around till lynch

[Alan T]

I'm not moving off of Spleen today.

I just don't buy his story. I think he looked up my name on wikipedia or Google and saw the names Nob and Bob on there. I can't look past the fact that he gave the name of someone who was already killed and didn't correct it until called on it. If he had corrected it himself, I may have believed him, but I suspect he didn't want to draw further attention to it after realizing his mistake and then made up this Hob story.

I went back to look. For some reason it was in my head that he had corrected himself right afterwards. But it actually went to the next page before someone called him on it that he said oops typo.



That's cool with me. You guys have no reason to believe that I am good. I get it. I just want you guys to know that I'm of the light.

My name is Nob and I am a stableworker, a hobbit servant of Barliman Butterbur at the Inn of the Prancing Pony. I am a paranoid little fellow, so I hide from everyone at night even if I trust them. I can choose to not hide if I want to, but I don't see any reason to do so at this point. If I say that I'm not hiding on a given night, then that just opens me up for the baddies. So, it's not worth it to me.

Another hobbit named Nob?

That is a typo. My name is Hob. it is an honest mistake.

[Swaggs]

Swaggs sorry for all the questions.. just trying to figure out how to handle this.. In this post you reveal your role and reveal Nob and Bob, but dont say anything about the stable worker... In your role description are you told about two brothers working for you? Or just basing it off of Chief Rum's death?

My role description did not say anything about my stable workers. I found that information when I looked up the name on wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barliman_Butterbur

Barliman Butterbur is a fictional character from J. R. R. Tolkien's epic fantasy The Lord of the Rings.

Butterbur was the owner of the Inn of the Prancing Pony in Bree. He was a Man, but as Bree was inhabited by both Men and hobbits, he had two hobbit employees: Bob, who worked in the stables, and Nob, a servant.

I, not so subtly, asked last night if anyone's name rhymed with Chief Rum's name because I suspected that if his name was in the game, then Bob's name could also be in the game and could be another friendly player.

My beef with Spleen is that, out of all the letters available on the keyboard, he made the "Nob" error twice. I think he probably looked up my name and saw that and, without paying much attention to the Chief Rum lynching results, made that connection without being as careful as he should have been.

[spleen1015]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hobbits

Where is the name Bob on this list, Alan? I see two Hobs but no Bob. Everyone is banking your knowledge of LotR to make their votes against me, yet there is no Bob. Granted, I did screw up with the typo and I can live with that. Just don't vote for me because my name doesn't match what Alan is saying is in the books.

With that, I'm not going to fight my lynch anymore. I will just answer questions that I'm asked. When I am lynched, you'll see that I am a Hobbit named Hob and I am the stableworker and I am a townsfolk.

Today has been a turning point in the game with all of the information that has been thrown out there. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Alan, Swaggs and LSG are the baddies.

[Swaggs]

...and, by the way, it says there that Bob was the stable worker and Nob was a servant.

[Alan T]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hobbits

Where is the name Bob on this list, Alan? I see two Hobs but no Bob. Everyone is banking your knowledge of LotR to make their votes against me, yet there is no Bob. Granted, I did screw up with the typo and I can live with that. Just don't vote for me because my name doesn't match what Alan is saying is in the books.

With that, I'm not going to fight my lynch anymore. I will just answer questions that I'm asked. When I am lynched, you'll see that I am a Hobbit named Hob and I am the stableworker and I am a townsfolk.

Today has been a turning point in the game with all of the information that has been thrown out there. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Alan, Swaggs and LSG are the baddies.

Most people assumed Bob was a man and not a hobbit in the stories.

[spleen1015]

VOTE Alan T

My vote doesn't even matter at this point, but to make sure I follow the rules, I am going to vote.

Even after Anxiety stated that voting based on information that is found in the books and outside of this game is a poor choice, Swaggs continues to post more and more about it.

What's the use?

[spleen1015]

Anxiety, can you end the day early so that they can be shown how silly they are being?

[Alan T]

VOTE Alan T

My vote doesn't even matter at this point, but to make sure I follow the rules, I am going to vote.

Even after Anxiety stated that voting based on information that is found in the books and outside of this game is a poor choice, Swaggs continues to post more and more about it.

What's the use?

So you are furious about swaggs continuing the discussion that direction but vote me? :)

[DaddyTorgo]

spleen...you hafta know that Alan and swaggs are above reproach at this point. if you truly are of the light you'd do better to try to make a compelling case for someoen else whom people have proposed lately

[spleen1015]

So you are furious about swaggs continuing the discussion that direction but vote me? :)

I was waiting for this question.

I am voting for you because if the 3 of you are baddies, then I think you are the leader of this push. I think you guys saw an opening to have another good guy lynched and you've orchestrated it.

I'm furious about the whole stinking situation. I make an honest typo mistake then add into the fact that you guys aren't listening to what the GM is telling you and it is going to get me lynched.

Maybe I am taking it a little to serious, but I do that with trival things all of the time. :)

BTW, Anxeity, thanks for the curse word filter. I would be dropping f-bombs left and right at this point, but I'm making a good effort at respecting your rules. :D

[spleen1015]

spleen...you hafta know that Alan and swaggs are above reproach at this point. if you truly are of the light you'd do better to try to make a compelling case for someoen else whom people have proposed lately

Besides my typo, the whole basis of their argument are the books, which Anxiety has clearly said shouldn't be factored into voting decisions.

It doesn't matter at this point. I want to be lynched now. So, if you've voted for me, continue to do so.

[Alan T]

I was waiting for this question.

I am voting for you because if the 3 of you are baddies, then I think you are the leader of this push. I think you guys saw an opening to have another good guy lynched and you've orchestrated it.

I'm furious about the whole stinking situation. I make an honest typo mistake then add into the fact that you guys aren't listening to what the GM is telling you and it is going to get me lynched.

Maybe I am taking it a little to serious, but I do that with trival things all of the time. :)

BTW, Anxeity, thanks for the curse word filter. I would be dropping f-bombs left and right at this point, but I'm making a good effort at respecting your rules. :D

Fair enough then :)

And for whatever its worth, I was pushing the conversation past the out of game knowledge stuff in regards to you. The thing that convinced me to keep my vote on you isnt the out of game knowledge, it was JE catching you claiming the same name as someone already dead. The only time I brought up out of game stuff was when people asked me direct questions (including the one you asked)

If you are good, then it was just a bad day to claim the same name as someone already dead, typo or not.. was a bad day for that slip up.

[DaddyTorgo]

Besides my typo, the whole basis of their argument are the books, which Anxiety has clearly said shouldn't be factored into voting decisions.

It doesn't matter at this point. I want to be lynched now. So, if you've voted for me, continue to do so.

izulde used this type of ploy too during the game i played with him. the "fine just kill me now and get it over with, i'm actually good" play.

not an unheard of move for a wolfy wolf

[ntndeacon]

Who do you think it should go to? :)

Well since one of the seers is possibly false Iwould say the false seer, of course that begs the question who that is. I am of the opinion Lonestargirl is the true seer. so in my mind Thomkal would be up there in terms of folks to vote for. if we are to avoid that problem (still am wishy washy on whether it woulkd help or not.) then we run into some problem for every day we have been getting villager vs villager. We really need to be looking for people that haven't had a lot of pressure on them at this point.

[Swaggs]

VOTE Alan T

My vote doesn't even matter at this point, but to make sure I follow the rules, I am going to vote.

Even after Anxiety stated that voting based on information that is found in the books and outside of this game is a poor choice, Swaggs continues to post more and more about it.

What's the use?

No offense to you, but since none of our 3 seers have identified anyone yet, go over your record today:

You claim to be a character named Nob, even though the character Nob (Chief Rum) has already been lynched.

You claim an occupation very similar to Chief's Nob: "Nob was a hobbit servant at the Prancing Pony Inn, and he kept a small room there, underneath the Inn." (from post 786).

You don't acknowledge that you gave the wrong name until after someone else lets you know that there was already a Nob.

I asked if there was anyone with a similar name to Nob yesterday, as we were trying to build a circle of trust, and you kept quiet.

You claim that you twice made a typo calling yourself Nob.

Even if you are on the side of light, who is a better candidate today than you are? If you are on the side of light, I apologize, but you are the best candidate we have today and, frankly the best candidate that we have had in this game.

[spleen1015]

Fair enough then :)

And for whatever its worth, I was pushing the conversation past the out of game knowledge stuff in regards to you. The thing that convinced me to keep my vote on you isnt the out of game knowledge, it was JE catching you claiming the same name as someone already dead. The only time I brought up out of game stuff was when people asked me direct questions (including the one you asked)

If you are good, then it was just a bad day to claim the same name as someone already dead, typo or not.. was a bad day for that slip up.

It's cool. I see that you were posting the possibility of this being an unintentional mixed up. I'm not really mad at anyone person. I'm more bothered that I gave up my role and information in the hopes that people would trust me. So, I've learned a lesson for the next time I play.

[Swaggs]

As I said, I'm sticking with my vote for tonight.

I am out until close to the deadline. I hope we get this one right.

[ntndeacon]

It's cool. I see that you were posting the possibility of this being an unintentional mixed up. I'm not really mad at anyone person. I'm more bothered that I gave up my role and information in the hopes that people would trust me. So, I've learned a lesson for the next time I play.

I understand this spleen. I hate giving out my info. I want to be able to use that later against others if neccesary. Even in a vanilla role it is handy for that info to not be out. :)

[spleen1015]

You claim to be a character named Nob, even though the character Nob (Chief Rum) has already been lynched.

You claim an occupation very similar to Chief's Nob: "Nob was a hobbit servant at the Prancing Pony Inn, and he kept a small room there, underneath the Inn." (from post 786).

You don't acknowledge that you gave the wrong name until after someone else lets you know that there was already a Nob.

You claim that you twice made a typo calling yourself Nob.

Even if you are on the side of light, who is a better candidate today than you are? If you are on the side of light, I apologize, but you are the best candidate we have today and, frankly the best candidate that we have had in this game.

I already told Gram that I didn't acknowledge it last night because I was bowling. GO back and look at every game I have played in. I have been unavailable from 7:30pm~11:30pm every Monday and Thursday. After rading through everything, I totaly forgot about your question and just like I told Gram I thought your question was directed at Izulde.

I didn't acknoledge that I gave the wrong name until someone pointed it out because I didn't know I made the mistake.

I have in fact made the typo twice. I'm anxious to say my piece. Why would I purposely put the wrong name out there twice?

Who is a better candidate? Thomkal for one. Other than the events of today, I haven't done anything that makes me suspicious. You can't tell me the circumstances around Thomkal's reveal and all of the vote moving is not a whole lot more suspicious than anything I have done outside of today.

I'll say it again. They way you and Alan are going after this really makes me believe you are the baddies. Chief Rum pulled the same trick in the RE game. Luckily for me, his attempt didn't work.

[Alan T]

I already told Gram that I didn't acknowledge it last night because I was bowling. GO back and look at every game I have played in. I have been unavailable from 7:30pm~11:30pm every Monday and Thursday. After rading through everything, I totaly forgot about your question and just like I told Gram I thought your question was directed at Izulde.

I didn't acknoledge that I gave the wrong name until someone pointed it out because I didn't know I made the mistake.

I have in fact made the typo twice. I'm anxious to say my piece. Why would I purposely put the wrong name out there twice?

Who is a better candidate? Thomkal for one. Other than the events of today, I haven't done anything that makes me suspicious. You can't tell me the circumstances around Thomkal's reveal and all of the vote moving is not a whole lot more suspicious than anything I have done outside of today.

I'll say it again. They way you and Alan are going after this really makes me believe you are the baddies. Chief Rum pulled the same trick in the RE game. Luckily for me, his attempt didn't work.

So you think LSG, Swaggs and I are the bad guys, and think Thomkal is the best person to go after today?

[DaddyTorgo]

I'd say that Thomkal , Gram and Weds are suspicious to me personally.

Thom because well...we all know. Weds for all the late switching, and Gram less so but because Thom fingered him today and could be trying to slip some of his teammates through into the "vouched for" list.

[Lorena]

I think gramm is making a new hip hop album..

Put the nob to the hob ..to the bob hip hop hob

Word

peace out

ROFL, this really cracked me up. It kinda has a K-Fed-ish sound to it ;)

[Alan T]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hobbits

Where is the name Bob on this list, Alan? I see two Hobs but no Bob. Everyone is banking your knowledge of LotR to make their votes against me, yet there is no Bob. Granted, I did screw up with the typo and I can live with that. Just don't vote for me because my name doesn't match what Alan is saying is in the books.

With that, I'm not going to fight my lynch anymore. I will just answer questions that I'm asked. When I am lynched, you'll see that I am a Hobbit named Hob and I am the stableworker and I am a townsfolk.

Today has been a turning point in the game with all of the information that has been thrown out there. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Alan, Swaggs and LSG are the baddies.

I already told Gram that I didn't acknowledge it last night because I was bowling. GO back and look at every game I have played in. I have been unavailable from 7:30pm~11:30pm every Monday and Thursday. After rading through everything, I totaly forgot about your question and just like I told Gram I thought your question was directed at Izulde.

I didn't acknoledge that I gave the wrong name until someone pointed it out because I didn't know I made the mistake.

I have in fact made the typo twice. I'm anxious to say my piece. Why would I purposely put the wrong name out there twice?

Who is a better candidate? Thomkal for one. Other than the events of today, I haven't done anything that makes me suspicious. You can't tell me the circumstances around Thomkal's reveal and all of the vote moving is not a whole lot more suspicious than anything I have done outside of today.

I'll say it again. They way you and Alan are going after this really makes me believe you are the baddies. Chief Rum pulled the same trick in the RE game. Luckily for me, his attempt didn't work.


So in these two posts you have suggested that all of the seers are out to get us :)

[Thomkal]

Okay I'm caught up at last. First let me apologize for not revealing my scan this morning. I got out of bed just to post that I wasn't going to be around and could barely focus. I didn't think to mention my scan until later, and I wasn't in any shape to get online again. I'm sure those of you with migraines can understand. I truly have a migraine (let Swaggs view that with his power. :)

My name is Antaria Lodestock, a female.
My role is farmer
As I mentioned in my first post in the game I believe, I mentioned I sold vegetables to Mr. Underhill and his party. That is how my "seer" powers work. In talking to the people who buy vegetables from me and seeing them around town, I have a good sense of them, and due to my women's intuition, I can determine which side (light, darkness, etc) they are on.

I'm guessing my seer abilities don't work the same way LSG's does, so she'll likely to go all out of me again. All I can say is that I too am surprised there are more than one seer in the game. But I am a seer and I have at least three people who have revealed that they are indeed good since I revealed my views on them. Plus Swaggs has confirmed my comment with his power.

[spleen1015]

So you think LSG, Swaggs and I are the bad guys, and think Thomkal is the best person to go after today?

There is no credible evidence to support my claim that you guys are bad, so there is no sense is saying that again. Find all the holes in what I say that you can. It's not going to change the outcome of the day.


Does anyone have an updated vote count? If everyone has voted for today, I move that we end the day early since nothing else is really going to happen today.

[BrianD]

So in these two posts you have suggested that all of the seers are out to get us :)

To be fair, it would be like Anxiety to put 4 seers in the game and put them all on the same team. :)

[Thomkal]

interesting that everyone Thom has scanned has come up clean...someone want to do the math on the odds of that?

*raised eyebrow*

Yes DT interesting that everybody LoneStarGirl has scanned has come up clean too isn't it?

[DaddyTorgo]

Yes DT interesting that everybody LoneStarGirl has scanned has come up clean too isn't it?


touche touche

[Thomkal]

Fair warning: I can only stay online another half-hour or so then I'll need to step away from the computer for a while. So get your questions in quickly. :)

[Alan T]

There is no credible evidence to support my claim that you guys are bad, so there is no sense is saying that again. Find all the holes in what I say that you can. It's not going to change the outcome of the day.


Does anyone have an updated vote count? If everyone has voted for today, I move that we end the day early since nothing else is really going to happen today.

(1) Thomkal - Dodgerchick (1723)
(11) Spleen - Swaggs (1871), Alan (1896), Lonestargirl (1900), Izulde (1904), Tyrith (1924), Jonathan Ezarik (1941), ntndeacon (1953), BrianD (1955), Grammaticus (1983), Sublime (2013), Daddy Torgo (2014)
(1) Alan - Spleen (2020)

[Alan T]

Fair warning: I can only stay online another half-hour or so then I'll need to step away from the computer for a while. So get your questions in quickly. :)

What is your favorite color?

[Thomkal]

I have not voted, and have skimmed some posts to catch up. So what is the plan for voting tonight?

[Thomkal]

What is your favorite color?

Blue and Grey. :)

[Alan T]

I have not voted, and have skimmed some posts to catch up. So what is the plan for voting tonight?

Well who do you think are likely bad guys?

[ntndeacon]

Fair warning: I can only stay online another half-hour or so then I'll need to step away from the computer for a while. So get your questions in quickly. :)

What is the average air speed of an unladen swallow? Oh wait, wrong game!

[BrianD]

What is the average air speed of an unladen swallow? Oh wait, wrong game!

African or European?

[Alan T]

Okay I'm caught up at last. First let me apologize for not revealing my scan this morning. I got out of bed just to post that I wasn't going to be around and could barely focus. I didn't think to mention my scan until later, and I wasn't in any shape to get online again. I'm sure those of you with migraines can understand. I truly have a migraine (let Swaggs view that with his power. :)

My name is Antaria Lodestock, a female.
My role is farmer
As I mentioned in my first post in the game I believe, I mentioned I sold vegetables to Mr. Underhill and his party. That is how my "seer" powers work. In talking to the people who buy vegetables from me and seeing them around town, I have a good sense of them, and due to my women's intuition, I can determine which side (light, darkness, etc) they are on.

I'm guessing my seer abilities don't work the same way LSG's does, so she'll likely to go all out of me again. All I can say is that I too am surprised there are more than one seer in the game. But I am a seer and I have at least three people who have revealed that they are indeed good since I revealed my views on them. Plus Swaggs has confirmed my comment with his power.

I want to ask this same question of Lonestargirl. What is your name, role and how you learn about people's information?

[Abe Sargent]

Page 42!

[Abe Sargent]

Missed by one. Grrrr.

[Alan T]

Page 42!

You fail!

[Alan T]

I would edit my first post with page 42 in there just to mock you more, but figure I would feel your wrath

[ntndeacon]

African or European?

I don;t know thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

[Thomkal]

Well who do you think are likely bad guys?

Well the three people I trust were voting for Ntndeacon yesterday, so there could be something there.

Spleen I have no idea about since he's kept to himself mostly, but I'm not sure I buy this typo in his name for voting him out though. But I don't have a problem voting for him.

Dodgerchick is voting for me, so her I guess. Tyrith was all over my reveal yesterday and is still calling for my lynch today.

But its like I said yesterday, I really don't have a good read on anybody I haven't seer cleared or someone else hasn't cleared.

[Alan T]

Well the three people I trust were voting for Ntndeacon yesterday, so there could be something there.

Spleen I have no idea about since he's kept to himself mostly, but I'm not sure I buy this typo in his name for voting him out though. But I don't have a problem voting for him.

Dodgerchick is voting for me, so her I guess. Tyrith was all over my reveal yesterday and is still calling for my lynch today.

But its like I said yesterday, I really don't have a good read on anybody I haven't seer cleared or someone else hasn't cleared.

So I assume you'll scan either Dodgerchick or tyrith tonight then?

[Thomkal]

Okay I'm about to go postal on that Simpsons banner with the noise its making :)

[ntndeacon]

Well the three people I trust were voting for Ntndeacon yesterday, so there could be something there.


But its like I said yesterday, I really don't have a good read on anybody I haven't seer cleared or someone else hasn't cleared.

they were either just guessing, or being led astray. Remember my name first came up because I was pretty much MIA the 1st couple of days. the residual effects from that gives the bad guys another person to target that would probably convince some of the light factions to join them.

[Lorena]

Wait, did Thomkal vote?

[Lorena]

He said he was leaving and didn't vote? Unless I missed it

[Thomkal]

So I assume you'll scan either Dodgerchick or tyrith tonight then?

I honestly don't know yet. They are certainly on my list to scan. I'd like to see how the lynch plays out before deciding

[Alan T]

He said he was leaving and didn't vote? Unless I missed it

He hasn't left yet that I can see.

[Thomkal]

vote spleen

[Thomkal]

they were either just guessing, or being led astray. Remember my name first came up because I was pretty much MIA the 1st couple of days. the residual effects from that gives the bad guys another person to target that would probably convince some of the light factions to join them.

That certainly could be the case NTN. There's just been so little to go on with you until today, so I have to take that into consideration. They aren't voting for you today, so I guess that's something to look at to.

[BrianD]

Hey all, I'm heading out of work and to date-night with the wife. I probably won't be back before the lynch, but it doesn't look like much will be changing before then. I guess we'll have the whole weekend to figure out what to do next. Later.

[DaddyTorgo]

wow. i'm amazed but saddened that we've got pretty much everyone on spleen. means that the evil has likely piled onto him too, whether he's good or evil might give us a better idea of where to look for them in the mass of votes for spleen, but with public opinion so against him so early it also might not.

something to think about

[ntndeacon]

That certainly could be the case NTN. There's just been so little to go on with you until today, so I have to take that into consideration. They aren't voting for you today, so I guess that's something to look at to.

And with that there will be very little of me for probably til after Lynch as Iam moseying to another town for dinner and hanging out. I should be back at SOME point tonight even if it is after lynch.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay I'm about to go postal on that Simpsons banner with the noise its making :)

You and me both

[Lorena]

I honestly don't know yet. They are certainly on my list to scan. I'd like to see how the lynch plays out before deciding

Please do, I welcome it but it'll be a waste as I've already mentioned of my allegiance and I have nothing to hide.

Not that it matters but I'm sticking with my vote. The spleen thing just doesn't seem right... it's like people are piling on him because of a typo. It's like you guys saw a little "mistake" and went after it. Anxiety even said, don't base your outside knowledge of the book to in-game reasons and you guys are pretending like it was never mentioned.

This doesn't sit well with me at all. I have 10 voting for spleen but my count might be off, I think I saw Alan had 11 on him.

[Lorena]

I hate clicking the submit button when I have another thought. People can make a case for ANYONE in here based on what's written, however small an opening is, people seem to just tear at it.

[Thomkal]

Okay I'm off then, and will be on here and there through the night till lynch.

[Lorena]

Well, another WW game and a lot of BS that seems to be permeating from the pixels of my monitor.

I'm out for a few hours.

[Alan T]

Please do, I welcome it but it'll be a waste as I've already mentioned of my allegiance and I have nothing to hide.

Not that it matters but I'm sticking with my vote. The spleen thing just doesn't seem right... it's like people are piling on him because of a typo. It's like you guys saw a little "mistake" and went after it. Anxiety even said, don't base your outside knowledge of the book to in-game reasons and you guys are pretending like it was never mentioned.

This doesn't sit well with me at all. I have 10 voting for spleen but my count might be off, I think I saw Alan had 11 on him.

This is what i have:

(1) Thomkal - Dodgerchick (1723)
(12) Spleen - Swaggs (1871), Alan (1896), Lonestargirl (1900), Izulde (1904), Tyrith (1924), Jonathan Ezarik (1941), ntndeacon (1953), BrianD (1955), Grammaticus (1983), Sublime (2013), Daddy Torgo (2014), Thomkal (2065)
(1) Alan - Spleen (2020)

[Mr. Wednesday]

Well, this is pretty much a throw-off vote, but I'm going to pick someone different from Alan's list of unvouched-for folk.

VOTE BrianD

[DaddyTorgo]

reason for that vote Mr. Weds?

[DaddyTorgo]

so weds. cast a vote out of left-field and then dissapeared a minute later....raise eyebrows with anyone else?

[Lorena]

so weds. cast a vote out of left-field and then dissapeared a minute later....raise eyebrows with anyone else?

Yes, I'm telling you, there's something fishy going on with the Mr. W, Thomkal thing. Let's not forget that Mr. W changed his vote at the last minute to save Thom.

Why do I keep doing this? I should shut my computer down so it's not a distraction I keep coming back when I should be doing other things.

[DaddyTorgo]

k, well i'm off for dinner and pondering and maybe a lil coffee (bad caffeine-withrawl headache, need to up the latent level of caffeine in my body). i'll be back well before lynch, hell...by 8pm EST I'd say, although i don't anticipate much of anything happening, with such a large majority on spleen

[Lorena]

I know Grammaticus, Jonathan Ezarik, Izulde, Daddy Torgo all have roles which appear to be on the side of light but not tried to drop them any hints as I haven't seen a huge place or need to as of yet.

I can NOT vouch for Thomkal or Schmidty or Mr. Wednesday right now, I'm hoping Izulde is doing some other behind the scenes investigation on him, that should be easy enough to be done. However for now I am willing to at least take those names out of lynch consideration on the premise that Thomkal is telling the truth.

Who voted for Ntndeacon yesterday? AlanT, Grammaticus, Jonathan Ezarik, Mr. Wednesday, Schmidty, and Thomkal

Alan says he can vouch for most of these people, but I think he's giving himself a little wiggle room with thomkal, schmidty and Mr. W.

OMG, I think they hid their vote on ntndeacon since he wasn't gonna get lynched!!

Wow, I have reached a new level of paranoia... thanks guys.

[Tyrith]

Gram's comment about LSG being highly suspicious is quite alarming to me, personally. He would probably be my initial vote tomorrow.

Feel free to scan me tonight, I'd like someone actually bothering to check on me :) And then we might be able to have a definitive answer about you, thomkal, based on if lie to us about it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

so weds. cast a vote out of left-field and then dissapeared a minute later....raise eyebrows with anyone else?

Gotta cast a vote for someone, pointless to cast it for spleen at this point, and I'm giving ntndeacon credit (perhaps undue credit) for some of his comments today.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm gone, probably until after deadline.

[Schmidty]

Well, I can't really see any reason NOT to vote for spleen, so:

Vote Spleen

[LoneStarGirl]

Okay, so here is why I think Thomkal is lying:

I am Pariel Gildenhoof, the local Onieromancer. I have a two year old child to take care of and wouldn't want anybody to find out about me because they would likely scorn me and exile me from Bree.

I have no ocupation. I am only the Onieromancer. Don't you think Anxiety is bright enough and clever enough that he would give the seer a cool job? And i dont just 'find out' people's names... I dreamwalk. Every night i sit in my room and focus on an object...then i float into other people's dreams.

[LoneStarGirl]

I can find out role and faction... but not abilities. When thomkal was online, if he could have done any of this, he would have admited it.

[LoneStarGirl]

alant and thomkal, you are both here.... responses?

oh and unvote spleen

vote thomkal

[LoneStarGirl]

Now that i reread Thomkal's reveal, i do believe he could be a seer, but i doubt he's on the same side as me.... I dont know LOTR but aren't people of bree supposed to be magical? or at least some of them?

[Thomkal]

I can find out role and faction... but not abilities. When thomkal was online, if he could have done any of this, he would have admited it.

Yes I would have admitted it. I can only get a feel for what side they are. (light, darkness, etc.). And I have been right now at least three times with my views-not sure if Gram admitted to being good or not. If I was faking it, I'd be awfully lucky now wouldn't I to get three people right?

[Alan T]

alant and thomkal, you are both here.... responses?

oh and unvote spleen

vote thomkal

I didn't see anything in your response about name and role that I want to make a fuss about. You see the interesting thing about a Onieromancer is they often are considered a dream weaver, one that is able to learn things through their dreams. However I also found references of it where a Onieromancer is considered to be a "mind slug" or one who is able to control one through their thoughts.

Unfortunatly I am pretty unfamiliar with karmatic studies that I don't really have experience with it, and this game is my first time I have ever heard of that term before in my life.

I guess the important thing to me for now is that you did not lie about it which I guess could be seen as not having something to hide. Of course on the other hand you might be fully aware that if you did lie, you would at some point be called out for it.

I guess it was somewhat of a trap question for both you and Thomkal, but for now I haven't heard anything to make me want to push to lynch you any more than before.

[Alan T]

Now that i reread Thomkal's reveal, i do believe he could be a seer, but i doubt he's on the same side as me.... I dont know LOTR but aren't people of bree supposed to be magical? or at least some of them?

I can get into a discussion of this somewhat if people want me to.. but basically there were different levels in Middle-earth. The hobbits were simple folks and not greatly magical. For the most part, the men of Bree were the same way. They heard and told stories of people such as the elvaan who were "magical" creatues and it often kept them in awe.

The hobbits were really fond of Gandalf and his "magic" that he brought, which often consisted of nothing more than really spectacular fireworks and illusions.

[LoneStarGirl]

Yes I would have admitted it. I can only get a feel for what side they are. (light, darkness, etc.). And I have been right now at least three times with my views-not sure if Gram admitted to being good or not. If I was faking it, I'd be awfully lucky now wouldn't I to get three people right?

Thomkal, i didn't say you were a seer, i said you were a seer for the other side. And who cares if Gram admits to being good or not? Do you think he is just giong to come out and say 'dang, you got me, im bad'? Uhm, no.

[Lorena]

This is what i have:

(1) Thomkal - Dodgerchick (1723)
(12) Spleen - Swaggs (1871), Alan (1896), Lonestargirl (1900), Izulde (1904), Tyrith (1924), Jonathan Ezarik (1941), ntndeacon (1953), BrianD (1955), Grammaticus (1983), Sublime (2013), Daddy Torgo (2014), Thomkal (2065)
(1) Alan - Spleen (2020)

Thanks Alan, I had missed Jon's vote on spleen.

[spleen1015]

alant and thomkal, you are both here.... responses?

oh and unvote spleen

vote thomkal

At least there is one sensible person playing this game.

[Tyrith]

At least there is one sensible person playing this game.

I find that ironic coming from you, who has been trying to kill me for three days, largely with minimal support :)

[spleen1015]

I find that ironic coming from you, who has been trying to kill me for three days, largely with minimal support :)

Nothing ironic about it. I had a reason to vote for you on day 3 and no reason to change it. :mad:



:)

[Alan T]

Nothing ironic about it. I had a reason to vote for you on day 3 and no reason to change it. :mad:



:)

What was the reason?

[spleen1015]

What was the reason?

I posted it. You should be able to find it.

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting. I didn't think you were in danger tonight LSG, so i'm curious as to why you're adding information to your reveal.

[Swaggs]

For what it is worth, I do not have the ability to check anymore statements for truth in this game. I used my two tries up already and then was trying to bluff my way into seeing how Brian and/or ntndeacon would react to me asking whether or not they were on the side of light.

[DaddyTorgo]

apparently it's quiet tonight

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Question for LoneStarGirl.

You say that you receive role and faction, do you also learn their name?

[Thomkal]

I'm liking the quiet tonight for some reason. :)

[LoneStarGirl]

Question for LoneStarGirl.

You say that you receive role and faction, do you also learn their name?

no.

Ive told you everything

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Ok, thanks.

[LoneStarGirl]

the reason i've revealed all is because i figure ill be dead tonight.... at least one of the two dark sides will kill me.

[LoneStarGirl]

well it looks like spleen is dead tonight, for better or worse... hopefully ill scan a wolf tonight and have something to go on Monday

[Abe Sargent]

The rain explores every last inch of your body, penetraing the meager shelter under which you seek vengenace to the previous deaths incurred at your hands and the hands of those in darkness.

After an early argument, the assembly quickly came to a decision to lynch another of the small people among you. After he stuttered when mentioning his name, you decide to focus your attention on another hobbit.

Despite his pleas of innocence, he is quickly silenced. Remembering the slippery hobbit previously lynched, some of you secure the hobbit and throw sackcloth over his head before his mewling protestations and eyes of conviction thwart your plans.

Within minutes, you have reached the gallows. Maybe this hobbit killed Valen Gutters or Grum Rumblebelly or caused the evil at the Huddlestump's.

With that dark thought as inspiration, you push the hobbit to the front of the group, and then onto the gallows. Several of you volunteer to hold up the hobbit and put the cord around his neck.

This time, your bloodthirst is barely slaked by the thirty minutes it takes for the hobbit to die. A few of you left to assess the hobbit's quarters over at the Pranciong Pony Inn. Of course, they didn't find anything, but that doesn't matter.

You aren't completely sure, but many of you are beginning to enjoy the lynch. Sure, the sane, rational, logical ethical part of you quickly quells the shadow in your heart, but you know its there.


Day Five has Ended. Night Five has begin and will end at: Midnight, Sunday Night (Monday Morning) EST.

-Anxuety

[DaddyTorgo]

GRRRRRRRRR

We need to get a Dark person here guys. This is getting bad.

[Izulde]

...spleen has an avoid lynch ability?

[LoneStarGirl]

Wow, good one guys. It is funny how one person will say something, and even when the GM says dont do this, everybody still does.

[DaddyTorgo]

dola

course i'd say more if I could use words that aren't nice.

so where do we turn now on monday?

[Izulde]

n/m, checked the first post too soon.

[LoneStarGirl]

7. spleen1015 - Lynched Day Five. Hob the Hobbit Stableboy, on the side of Light and Townsfolk.

[Izulde]

dola

course i'd say more if I could use words that aren't nice.

so where do we turn now on monday?

A lot of that will depend on night actions.

[DaddyTorgo]

*cries*

sorry spleen

[LoneStarGirl]

A couple of things tonight

First, if there is a bodyguard in this game, i think you will be well served to protect me tonight.

Second, I wish people would start getting an independent thought and stop following people because Alant says so. Yes, I know Swaggs is the one that mentioned Spleen's screw up with the name, but who cleared Swaggs? Oh yah, Alant did. Even after Anxiety came in and said hey guys, you are doing this wrong, ABORT ABORT, everybody still went with their vote!!! We people of the light deserve to lose if we can't pull our heads out of our butts.

**end rant**

[LoneStarGirl]

ANXIETY- night actions due Monday?

[Izulde]

Bodyguard got night-killed, I believe.

[Thomkal]

sorry spleen

And I'm up for bodyguard protection too.

[Thomkal]

LSG,

So are you suggesting Alan and Swaggs are evil?

[Schmidty]

This is getting very, very old.

[Schmidty]

Bodyguard got night-killed, I believe.

Why do you think that?

[LoneStarGirl]

I checked Alant night three, so unless he got converted he is still one of the light. I just dont think people should be following him so closely, because in the past two games he has lead the villagers astray too much. And now swaggs says jump on spleen, and everybody does it! Its getting too bandwagon-y for me.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Kind of like jumping on Thomkal yesterday?

[LoneStarGirl]

And I would bet that Thomkal doesn't need a bodyguard to stay alive.

[Thomkal]

You would bet wrong.

[LoneStarGirl]

Kind of like jumping on Thomkal yesterday?

I guarantee that if the GM came in and said something like he did today, I would have jumped ship immediatly. Plus we had more to go on besides 'oooh he said a name wrong' Also, I scanned Blade, knew his role, knew how he plays and knew he could be 100% trusted. So I believed him.

[Lorena]

A couple of things tonight

First, if there is a bodyguard in this game, i think you will be well served to protect me tonight.

Second, I wish people would start getting an independent thought and stop following people because Alant says so. Yes, I know Swaggs is the one that mentioned Spleen's screw up with the name, but who cleared Swaggs? Oh yah, Alant did. Even after Anxiety came in and said hey guys, you are doing this wrong, ABORT ABORT, everybody still went with their vote!!! We people of the light deserve to lose if we can't pull our heads out of our butts.

**end rant**

Wow, good one guys. It is funny how one person will say something, and even when the GM says dont do this, everybody still does.

Please do, I welcome it but it'll be a waste as I've already mentioned of my allegiance and I have nothing to hide.

Not that it matters but I'm sticking with my vote. The spleen thing just doesn't seem right... it's like people are piling on him because of a typo. It's like you guys saw a little "mistake" and went after it. Anxiety even said, don't base your outside knowledge of the book to in-game reasons and you guys are pretending like it was never mentioned.

This doesn't sit well with me at all. I have 10 voting for spleen but my count might be off, I think I saw Alan had 11 on him.

I've been saying the same thing for how long now? LSG, you and I were the only ones to vote for Thom, nobody freaking believes us and it's getting freaking annoying as heck.

Gosh dangit, another villager bites the dust. Don't let his death be in vane.

[LoneStarGirl]

It should have been automatic. In games past, if somebody says VOTE JOE, I know he is bad!!!! and joe doesn't end up getting lynched, then the person who said 'vote joe' dies...

Okay, well that might be hard to understand, but what I mean is, after Blade said Vote Thomkal, and we could all see he was upset, and Thomkal did a BS reveal, Thomkal should have been an automatic lynch. we are all running around like chickens with our heads cut off. Because 2 people said vote spleen, everybody did it, and now look at where we are. I am frusterated.

[LoneStarGirl]

This is frusterating, and i bet the wolves are giggling like hyenas.

[DaddyTorgo]

i can see what you girls are saying

[Thomkal]

Blade knew nothing about me LSG. He was going on instinct, not knowledge. That's fine that you trust his instinct, but his instinct was wrong about Saldana and wrong about me.

[LoneStarGirl]

I have a CoT:

Izulde
Alant
Dodgerchick

Reasonable trust
Jonathan
Mr. W
Gramm
Swaggs
Schimidty
Tyrth

NO TRUST
BrianD,
Thomkal
NTNdeacon

[DaddyTorgo]

I have a CoT:

Izulde
Alant
Dodgerchick

Reasonable trust
Jonathan
Mr. W
Gramm
Swaggs
Schimidty
Tyrth

NO TRUST
BrianD,
Thomkal
NTNdeacon

LSG...where am I?

[st.cronin]

I can't believe Tyrith is up to SEVENTEEN whole posts.

[LoneStarGirl]

You have not done anything to prove your innocence thomkal. You pulled three names out of your butt, three 'quieter' players, two that just happened to be online at the time of your so called reveal, and called them all innocent. Hell, i bet any vanilla villager could have done that! And even if all three of the guys you called were bad, they still would have switched off of you because they would have realized you knew they were bad.

Thomkal, you might be a tomatoe selling woman seer, but if you are, you aren't for the good team

[hoopsguy]

I can't believe Tyrith is up to SEVENTEEN whole posts.

That is about average for him - in the ten minutes after lynch results are announced :)

[DaddyTorgo]

I'd like to see what Thomkal puts forward as his "levels of trust" since he claims to be a "seer" as well

[LoneStarGirl]

I knew i forgot somebody Daddy....

You are moderate trust... i like that you pushed for thomkal's lynch

[LoneStarGirl]

I wonder why nobody has mentioned tyrnth. Being as UTR as you could possibly get. I guess we forgot about him

[DaddyTorgo]

I knew i forgot somebody Daddy....

You are moderate trust... i like that you pushed for thomkal's lynch

thanks :)

i'd like for thomkal to put forward a "trust list" similar to yours so that we could compare where the two of you stand and maybe get something workable off that...

[Thomkal]

But yet all four of the people I "pulled out of my butt" are on your reasonably trust list.

[LoneStarGirl]

Because I haven't scanned them, and only because Alant said they were good.... they have nothing to do with you.

[LoneStarGirl]

What four people have you scanned again Thomkal?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

NO TRUST
BrianD,
Thomkal
NTNdeacon

I think it's clear who should be the next target. He's on everyone's list and if it hadn't been for Spleen's typo, he would have been lynched.

I'm upset by the outcome of tonight's lynch. Normally, I would be all over Swaggs for jumping on Spleen like that, but since Alan vouches for him, he gets the benefit of the doubt from me. I was afraid that Spleen was telling the truth and that it was just a typo, but I think everyone's suspicion of everyone else is so high that even a tiny mistake is fatal.

[DaddyTorgo]

I think everyone's suspicion of everyone else is so high that even a tiny mistake is fatal.

this is definately where we're at

[Thomkal]

LSG,

I viewed Jonathan, Mr W, Schmidty, and Gram. And with that, I'm off to bed. Enjoy the weekend everybody.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I wonder why nobody has mentioned tyrnth. Being as UTR as you could possibly get. I guess we forgot about him

Do you mean Tyrith? :)

I have him grouped right with ntndeacon and BrianD in my ones to watch closely.

[LoneStarGirl]

Jonathan, why do you keep going back to ntn and not thomkal? If we kill ntn and he ends up good, you know you are next right?

[LoneStarGirl]

See? I forgot about him so much i dont know how to spell his name! I am going to watch a movie. Good night

[Swaggs]

It is unfortunate about Spleen and I take responsibility. I am very surprised that he was not of the dark side. Those mistakes (giving the wrong name twice, missing my request for someone whose name rhymes with "Nob" the night before, and outting himself w/o really in danger) were just too much for me to overlook without another surefire target.

[DaddyTorgo]

but if we kill thomkal and he's bad then you're next LSG...right?

[DaddyTorgo]

dola

i meant if we kill thomkal and he's GOOD then you're next, right LSG?

[Swaggs]

I think ntndeacon should be the target for our next lynch.

I can't differentiate between LSG or Thomkal enough at this point to risk lynching either. Neither has given us a player from the dark side, both have made some questionable picks to scan, but neither have made a mistake that we can verify yet, either. Neither are in my Circle of Trust yet--if one of us hands us a member from the darkside, that will change--but neither should be on the chopping block yet.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Jonathan, why do you keep going back to ntn and not thomkal? If we kill ntn and he ends up good, you know you are next right?

I'm not hard up on killing Thomkal like some people. I agree with the thinking that it makes sense to let the wolves take care of our possible two seer problem. ntn has been number one on my list since yesterday. I didn't hear anything today to change my mind. And why would I be the one who gets lynched next if ntn happens to be good? Alan, whom you trust, has voted for ntn the last three days.

[Tyrith]

I wonder why nobody has mentioned tyrnth. Being as UTR as you could possibly get. I guess we forgot about him

I do hope this was a joke.

[DaddyTorgo]

night. won't be back on till ~ 2:30 or 3pm EST tomorrow (sat)

[Abe Sargent]

ANXIETY- night actions due Monday?

All Night Actions are due by Midnight on Sunday night/Monday morning.

[Lorena]

So Swaggs and Alan, why did you go after spleen like you did even though Anxiety mentioned NOT to base our knowledge here with what's in the book? I don't understand.

Maybe Swaggs is the one that got converted and we might be thinking alan's the one. Has anyone scanned Swaggs? I can't remember.

I just don't know anymore.

[ntndeacon]

I hope that our seers look elsewhere tonight. I want them to get a darkness person. I realize this will keep me in harms way on Monday. But better that and catch a bad guy.

[ntndeacon]

For what it is worth, I do not have the ability to check anymore statements for truth in this game. I used my two tries up already and then was trying to bluff my way into seeing how Brian and/or ntndeacon would react to me asking whether or not they were on the side of light.

ok this seems convenient to me. of course we both said we were good. Even if you had this ability you have a 50 50 chance of not picking each person.

[ntndeacon]

Jonathan, why do you keep going back to ntn and not thomkal? If we kill ntn and he ends up good, you know you are next right?

If this is the case we should go after him now. (Yes, I realize not many if any believe that I am who Isay iam)

[spleen1015]

I think ntndeacon should be the target for our next lynch.

I can't differentiate between LSG or Thomkal enough at this point to risk lynching either. Neither has given us a player from the dark side, both have made some questionable picks to scan, but neither have made a mistake that we can verify yet, either. Neither are in my Circle of Trust yet--if one of us hands us a member from the darkside, that will change--but neither should be on the chopping block yet.

Bologna. You and everyone else voted for me because of something the GM told you to ignore.

Good game everyone.

[Lorena]

For those of you that don't want to hear a chick ranting, look away. For the record, I haven't read anything past my last post so I'm not even sure if it's been addressed, but I just have to say it. This is in no way some sort of in-game analysis:

/rant

I am thoroughly disgusted with what transpired last night with spleen's lynch. I'm sure a lot of us are playing this game as ethically as possible and following the rules. What happened yesterday was not only distasteful, but it was out of bounds.... WAY out of bounds.

I dunno how Anxiety felt about it, but if I were him (okay kids, if you're reading, you might wanna look away because I'm gonna say a no-no word) I'd be extremelely pissed off. He said it, clearly: I'm trying to decide exactly how to say what I'm about to say. I think this is the best way:


Hello folks, your friendly neighborhood GM is here checking in. I want to discuss some current votes real quick, and then I'll nip back out of your hair.

If you want to vote for someone because of a valid, in game reason, then feel encouraged. Feel free. If you want to vote for someone because of a feeling or a sense of the person based on their posts, feel free.

However, please do NOT base that vote on outside information, such as what an authentic Tolkien name might be and so forth. That's outside the bounds.

-Abe

A little opening was found and people took advantage. I'm very, very dissapointed. I mean seriously, at what length are people willing to take to get a win in this game? I wouldn't have a problem getting him lynched for other reasons, but the name excuse wasn't right and LSG and I both mentioned it.

I'm not very good at this game, but I still enjoy it... a little too much actually, but it's stuff like this that deflates any enthusiasm of playing.

/end rant






With that said, I'm gonna be here for under an hour and not sure when I'll be back.

[Lorena]

ok this seems convenient to me. of course we both said we were good. Even if you had this ability you have a 50 50 chance of not picking each person.

That's what I thought when I read this too. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't have the ability because he's been converted.

[Izulde]

I'm leaning more toward ntndeacon at the moment, but that's subject to change, obviously.

[spleen1015]

DC, thanks for sticking up for me, but please stop worrying about it. :)

This whole situation could have been avoided had I not revealed. So, mostly I am to blame for being lynched.

I'd like it if everyone would let it go and enjoy the rest of the game. :)

[LoneStarGirl]

I agree Dc. That is why i put in my night action, and am probably going to stay away till sunday night

[Swaggs]

For those of you that don't want to hear a chick ranting, look away. For the record, I haven't read anything past my last post so I'm not even sure if it's been addressed, but I just have to say it. This is in no way some sort of in-game analysis:

/rant

I am thoroughly disgusted with what transpired last night with spleen's lynch. I'm sure a lot of us are playing this game as ethically as possible and following the rules. What happened yesterday was not only distasteful, but it was out of bounds.... WAY out of bounds.

I dunno how Anxiety felt about it, but if I were him (okay kids, if you're reading, you might wanna look away because I'm gonna say a no-no word) I'd be extremelely pissed off. He said it, clearly:

A little opening was found and people took advantage. I'm very, very dissapointed. I mean seriously, at what length are people willing to take to get a win in this game? I wouldn't have a problem getting him lynched for other reasons, but the name excuse wasn't right and LSG and I both mentioned it.

I'm not very good at this game, but I still enjoy it... a little too much actually, but it's stuff like this that deflates any enthusiasm of playing.

/end rant






With that said, I'm gonna be here for under an hour and not sure when I'll be back.

I respect what you are saying, but really disagree.

A slip up like the one Spleen made yesterday is the type of mistake that werewolves sometimes make. It is part of the game. If we had ignored it and not analyzed it, then it could have been one of those things we looked back at, at the end of the game, and wondered why we had missed it. If you ask most anyone who has ever been on the bad side, they have made a mistake or two that they stress out about whether or not anyone else noticed.

The fact that there are real names and fake names or settings in this and other WW games are just part of the game. I don't think it is out of bounds or distasteful to take those facts into consideration while playing.

[Swaggs]

Just to add, again I understand some folks taking what Anxiety said to mean that we were barking up the wrong tree, but I feel like he was just making it clear that he has taken liberties with the Bree universe and that we shouldn't expect everything to match up with the book.

I do not think he made that post to sway the vote one way or the other, but rather to let us know that, as he said, "please do NOT base that vote on outside information, such as what an authentic Tolkien name might be and so forth."

[Alan T]

I am just checking in. I have my girls this weekend (I only get them every other weekend) so likely won't be on here alot this weekend. I can be around during the evening times probably a bit after I put them to bed if anyone wants to get any discussions going.

To address a few issues before I take off for a while.. for the Anxiety/GM thing discussion... OOC I've known Swaggs a while before either of us started playing WW. I can't think for the life of me that he would purposely do anything shady or underhanded just to get an advantage. To back him a bit here, once a bell of suspicion has been rung, it is really hard to unring it.

To be completely fair, after Anxiety asked us to have that day's discussion based on things entirely in game and not out of game knowledge, I tried to push the discussion that way. Spleen's response to me was actually to bring back up out of game stuff (asking me the stuff about the list of hobbit names and such). In the end my vote stayed mainly because I had a hard time believeing someone would mess up their name multiple times in one day if they were not making a name up. Regardless if he was Hob or Bob or Job or Slob or whatever, multiple times he said his name was Nob which was obviously not true. Unfortunatly it was a legitimate mistake multiple times that day, and not anything shady.

Back to IC, I don't feel Swaggs pulled a fast one on us at all, and I find it likely that some of the people trying to jump on this as a way to break the CoT or cause doubt in it are likely the people were are looking to take care of. If I had to choose right now, Swaggs would be my #2 most trusted person, just behind Izulde in the game. I feel his discussions and decisions have been in good faith, and his errors have been in good faith as well. Just like I made a mistake with Chief Rum on day 2, that mistake does not make me evil, just imperfect.

Without knowing what the night will tell, I plan fully on once again for the fourth day setting out for ntndeacon tommorrow. Night kill me if you want, or don't it doesn't really matter.. everyone here will know ntndeacon is whom I likely will be voting to start the day tommorrow.

As for our collection of seers in Thomkal and Lonestargirl. I can't wait to see what information you all bring for us tommorrow :)

[Lorena]

Swaggs and Alan, I'm far too lazy to go back and check posts, but the thing that really stood out about last night's lynch was the name thing so Alan, if I missed your analysis based on something else, my apologies. Sometimes I get so stuck on an idea that it's hard for me to let go and let something else sink in.

I would really hope that using the Hob, Bob, Nob whatever it was based on Tolkien's writings wasn't an excuse to get him lynched.

And spleenie, when I feel someone's been done wrong I have to say something... I do it ALL THE TIME IRL so I felt I HAD to say something.

Okay, that's it, I don't wanna focus on this anymore. I'll give you guys the benefit of the doubt.

Onward...

[Abe Sargent]

I love you all. I really do.

[st.cronin]

I love you all. I really do.

We love you too!

[DaddyTorgo]

i have returned from work.

[Lorena]

i have returned from work.

Oh yay, I was anxiously awaiting your arrival :rolleyes: :D :p

[Lorena]

I love you all. I really do.

We love you too!

Awww.. I love every single one of you!! Can we get a group hug now? http://www.ld4all.com/forum/images/smiles/__grouphug.gif

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I would really hope that using the Hob, Bob, Nob whatever it was based on Tolkien's writings wasn't an excuse to get him lynched.

For me this wasn't the case. If he had come out right off the bat and said his name was Hob I don't think anyone would have had a problem. The problem was he said his name was Nob. Nob was obviously wrong. If he had corrected himself right away I doubt it would have gotten him lynched. I know I wouldn't have voted for him then. But the fact that it took me pointing out that we had two hobbits named Nob for him to say it was a typo sounded strange to me. It turns out that it was just a mistake and I'm sorry he's gone, but he could have saved himself by correcting his mistake immediately and not when someone called him on it.

And as a wise one man once said: "That's all I have to say about that."

[Lorena]

Wow it's been quiet here!

Well my computer is making all kinds of funky noises and I'm afraid the hard drive is gonna go kaput so I'm in a frenzy right now to get stuff backed up. If you don't hear from me until sometime tomorrow, my computer died and I'll be forced to wait until Antmeister goes to work tomorrow and use his.

Anyway, that is all, hope your weekends are going well!

[Abe Sargent]

As a reminder, all Night Actions are due tonight at Midnight.

[Swaggs]

Not sure I'll be able to make it up until past midnight, but I am looking forward to seeing what happens tonight and what kind of information our seers bring us.

[DaddyTorgo]

can't wait to see what happens tonight. this game is like a drug and i've been without all weekend!

[Lorena]

Yup, what you guys said... should be interesting.

[Abe Sargent]

Tonight, after the evening meal, a group of you are still around a central fire, especially since you have trouble sleeping due to recent events. One of you, AlanT, slips off after telling you he needs to relieve himself.

A few moments later, you hear a cry of pain come from where AlanT disappeared. Immediately, you storm off and find AlanT rubbing the back of his head. His head has been split open and is bleeding. On the ground lies a heavy branch with AlanT’s blood on it.

It’s obvious that AlanT was ambushed by someone, and then that person ran away instead of finishing the job when AlanT cried out. You immediately decide to seek out the perpetrator. You group up into four groups and head out throughout the town. Within a few moments, one of your groups finds, underneath a crate in an alleyway, the body of Tavin.

His body is still bleeding from fresh knife wounds but it is obvious that his spirit is long gone. You call off the search to dress up Tavin for burial tomorrow. After your work, weary, you retire for the evening and return in the morning.


Result: Dodgerhick has died.

Night Five has ended. Day Six has begun and will end at 10:00 EST Monday Evening.





-Anxiety

[Swaggs]

Thomkal, who did you view last night?

[DaddyTorgo]

what the heck? so was alan attacked by someone but their attack failed for some reason? is that what happened there??

Aaargh, Dodgerchick? Strange choice there.

[DaddyTorgo]

hey swaggs, didn't see you here

[Swaggs]

what the heck? so was alan attacked by someone but their attack failed for some reason? is that what happened there??

Aaargh, Dodgerchick? Strange choice there.

Hopefully he will be able to shed some light on things for us when he gets on. It would be nice if he could identify his attacker.

[DaddyTorgo]

Hopefully he will be able to shed some light on things for us when he gets on. It would be nice if he could identify his attacker.


that'd be a dream come true

[Swaggs]

hey swaggs, didn't see you here

Hey there.

I'm hoping to hear what Izulde, Thomkal, and LSG have to say about last night's actions. We need to ID some of the dark side players real, real soon.

Either there are very few of them or there are a pretty solid number of Rangers on our side, as we have lost nine villagers and only knocked of one of them, with 14 of us left.

[DaddyTorgo]

Hey there.

I'm hoping to hear what Izulde, Thomkal, and LSG have to say about last night's actions. We need to ID some of the dark side players real, real soon.

Either there are very few of them or there are a pretty solid number of Rangers on our side, as we have lost nine villagers and only knocked of one of them, with 14 of us left.


i'm honestly surprised we havn't lynched a ranger yet. i think that argues for their numbers being fairly small as well. 3...maybe 4 tops?

[Grammaticus]

So, ThomKal your on right now, who did you view and what did you find out?

[DaddyTorgo]

dola

to add to that point, i'm surprised evil hasn't hit on a ranger yet either. forgot to put that in my previous post to support that point

[Swaggs]

i'm honestly surprised we havn't lynched a ranger yet. i think that argues for their numbers being fairly small as well. 3...maybe 4 tops?

It is also a bit surprising that none of Sauron's and Saruman's players have gotten night-killed by one another. That makes me believe they, or perhaps the faction that is not doing the killing, are fairly small in number. Hopefully, at least.

[Alan T]

Sorry you died DC. I initially thought you were good, but the last day or so I had started having doubts. Glad to see you were on our side, but sorry you didnt make it.

[Swaggs]

So, ThomKal your on right now, who did you view and what did you find out?

...and Thomkal leaves us hanging again. He isn't doing much to earn my trust in this game, as this makes the second time that he has been on and could have taken, literally, one-minute to give us some information, but he disappears again.

It makes me think he wants to confer with others before revealing information. I guess he could be a Ranger, but since he has outted himself already, I don't see any good reason for him to not share this information.

[DaddyTorgo]

well even if they had figured out each other's identities they'd want to keep each other alive per the victory conditions

[Swaggs]

Alan, any news on what happened to you?

Or what you overheard tonight?

Frankly, I am surprised that you, me, LSG, Thomkal, and Izulde are all alive.

[DaddyTorgo]

...and Thomkal leaves us hanging again. He isn't doing much to earn my trust in this game, as this makes the second time that he has been on and could have taken, literally, one-minute to give us some information, but he disappears again.

It makes me think he wants to confer with others before revealing information. I guess he could be a Ranger, but since he has outted himself already, I don't see any good reason for him to not share this information.

thomkal left again??? really this is starting to get ridiculous guys. i can understand once, and i understand the value of leaving him for the bad guys to waste a kill on (assuming he is on one evil faction) but how heavily do we weigh that against getting a baddy ourselves and cutting their #'s down?

[Grammaticus]

...and Thomkal leaves us hanging again. He isn't doing much to earn my trust in this game, as this makes the second time that he has been on and could have taken, literally, one-minute to give us some information, but he disappears again.

It makes me think he wants to confer with others before revealing information. I guess he could be a Ranger, but since he has outted himself already, I don't see any good reason for him to not share this information.

Yep, he read and ran again. Just does not make sense at all. He really should have been able to make the post right now. At this point, why would a good guy have to wait to post his seer results?

[DaddyTorgo]

at this point with him providing information of questionable veracity and in a non-timely manner at that (and yes i understand the info can be reverse-used against him, but still)

[Alan T]

thomkal left again??? really this is starting to get ridiculous guys. i can understand once, and i understand the value of leaving him for the bad guys to waste a kill on (assuming he is on one evil faction) but how heavily do we weigh that against getting a baddy ourselves and cutting their #'s down?

I won't be voting for Thomkal today.

I want to hear what Lonestargirl and Thomkal found last night though.

I wish I could provide more information on my attacker last night, but needless to say sometimes when its in your nature to put your nose in other people's business they'll try to smack it off for you. My character is a fairly nosy sort so not an entire suprise that I was attacked.

Vote Ntndeacon

[Swaggs]

I guess I'll wait until tomorrow to see what LSG, Izulde, and Thomkal have to say. I am leaning towards Ntndeacon tomorrow, as well, but if someone I trust can provide a positive ID, I will be listening.

[DaddyTorgo]

i anticipate having plenty of online time this afternoon to discuss and vote so i will hold off on a placeholder vote right now. i would think ntn or sublime would be people to focus in on though, as those were both on LSG's list, and ntn has been on everyone's radar for a couple days now.

[ntndeacon]

Vote Thomkal

[Alan T]

Vote Thomkal

There's a shock.


My hunch is that the wolves are going to make a big push to lynch thomkal today. Just a hunch which I have absolutely 0 knowledge pointing me to that belief.

I wouldn't be suprised though if that move is the focus of their day today.

[ntndeacon]

There's a shock.


My hunch is that the wolves are going to make a big push to lynch thomkal today. Just a hunch which I have absolutely 0 knowledge pointing me to that belief.

I wouldn't be suprised though if that move is the focus of their day today.

I have a feeling the wolves will be quite happy to have those of us villiagers do there dirty work and off another on the side of light.

[Izulde]

ntn just seems like he's parroting what other people have said earlier in the game, something I seem to recall from before somewhere in here. Right now, he's the only person left who I have any genuine suspicion on. The others are more wait and see for now.

VOTE NTNDEACON

[Thomkal]

No I did not run away. I was pissed that after that long weekend, the person I chose to view was killed. :( Yes I chose Dodgerchick. I mentioned her in the bunch of people Alan asked me about who I was thinking to view. I thought she was likely to survive the night of those I was suspicious of. So even if I had revealed right away you wouldn't have learned anything new. And since the people I trust are voting for him already and he's voting for me, I will.

vote ntndeacon

[Lorena]

Aww dang :(

Good luck villagers.

[LoneStarGirl]

Okay guys, I think the reason I wasn't killed last night is because the bad guys think I was guarded. So tonight will probably be my last night. As for who i viewed last night, it was BrianD. And needless to say he is an Agent of Saruman and one of those in darkness.

[LoneStarGirl]

vote briand


And you researchers, when you look through brian's posts, you will find that he has voted for ntn at least 3 times....

[Alan T]

vote briand


And you researchers, when you look through brian's posts, you will find that he has voted for ntn at least 3 times....

Unvote ntndeacon
Vote BrianD

ok, I'll switch to Brian if he is a force of Saruman. However your comment about him voting for ntn at least 3 times, remember it was him who made sure to make a point to vote for ntn when everyone else was voting for spleen. He threw a vote on ntn for a few hours then moved it off as "proof" which I called him out for.

He definitly didn't vote for ntn the days when ntn's neck was on the line. So I don't really agree with his being good or bad means anything about ntn. In fact his "vote" for ntn the other day when it didn't matter at all did nothing but increase suspicion for me about ntn.

[Alan T]

Also how do you know you were bodyguarded last night? I assumed since I didn't die when attacked that I was protected somehow by the bodyguard.

[LoneStarGirl]

I am not saying ntn is good by any means, all i am saying is that there might be people who dont beleive im the real seer and stick with ntn... but they shouldn't.

And how convienent is it that thomkal scanned somebody that died? Dodgerchick wasn't no where near my suspicious list, in fact, she was in the top three of my COT

[LoneStarGirl]

Alant, I said the reason i think i wasn't killed is because the bad guys THOUGHT i would be bodyguarded

[Alan T]

I am not saying ntn is good by any means, all i am saying is that there might be people who dont beleive im the real seer and stick with ntn... but they shouldn't.

And how convienent is it that thomkal scanned somebody that died? Dodgerchick wasn't no where near my suspicious list, in fact, she was in the top three of my COT

I actually suggested yesterday that Thomkal scan Dodgerchick. I don't have a huge problem with the scan. I pushed Thomkal to either scan Dodgerchick or Tyrith and he did.


I don't understand how you know the bad guys thought you were bodyguarded though. How would you know this? I can think of many reasons why you are still alive today, none of which are for that reason.

[Grammaticus]

Based on the reveal by LSG,

VOTE BRIAND

[Tyrith]

VOTE BRIAND

It's time we end this seer nonsense one way or another, and since I always trusted LSG more I'll take her word.

I would like to note that there is someone out there that can vouch for me now. It is much better for the team if it doesn't get laid out fully right now, but I'm no longer completely without support (finally!)

[Alan T]

VOTE BRIAND

It's time we end this seer nonsense one way or another, and since I always trusted LSG more I'll take her word.

I would like to note that there is someone out there that can vouch for me now. It is much better for the team if it doesn't get laid out fully right now, but I'm no longer completely without support (finally!)

I would be interested in hearing more about this. Right now you are one of only 5 people left not being vouched for. I've found you fairly suspicious alot of the game, but obviously have my targets more fixed on ntndeacon than you. Perhaps today isn't the day for this, I'm not sure.. but having someone who can back you could probably keep you away from the lynch at least another day or three if credible.

[Grammaticus]

LSG, why was DC third on your trust list and actually in your CoT? I do not believe that you scanned her and you listed her in the group with the two living people that you said you scanned? Also, you put that list out prior to DC being killed.

I would think you would have put her at the top of your reasonable trust list. Instead you posted it as if you KNEW she was could or was confirmed.

[Thomkal]

I am not saying ntn is good by any means, all i am saying is that there might be people who dont beleive im the real seer and stick with ntn... but they shouldn't.

And how convienent is it that thomkal scanned somebody that died? Dodgerchick wasn't no where near my suspicious list, in fact, she was in the top three of my COT

Just because Dodgerchick was in your COT does not mean she was in mine. She voted for me, and has been calling for my lynching for a long time. I think she was a perfectly acceptable person to view, especially since people like Alan thought she was suspicious too.

[Thomkal]

Since everybody is grilling me on who I viewed, how about you LSG? Why Brian? Why not me since you distrust me so much?

[Thomkal]

Fair warning: I will be in and out all day running errands and such forth. I'm getting a bit tired of people accusing me of hiding if I'm not here and such. I do have a life outside this game believe it or not, and can not be here at your beck and call 24/7.

[Alan T]

Fair warning: I will be in and out all day running errands and such forth. I'm getting a bit tired of people accusing me of hiding if I'm not here and such. I do have a life outside this game believe it or not, and can not be here at your beck and call 24/7.

No reason to get touchy Thomkal. People have been upset because you've been in the thread at times without giving the information that you know. It isn't that people expect you to be here 24/7, but when you are here people would like to know information that you are bringing to the table.

When you don't post specific information at times it makes people feel you are hiding something, or waiting for teammates to build or develop a story. I fully understand not wanting to be here every passing minute of the day, but when you are here you have to realize the #1 important thing people want to know from you every day is:

Who did you scan, what were the results of the scan, why did you choose that person.

They might have responses back to you depending on what you respond, but its just part of the game. Getting touchy or defensive about it isn't going to help anything unfortunatly.

[Tyrith]

Fair warning: I will be in and out all day running errands and such forth. I'm getting a bit tired of people accusing me of hiding if I'm not here and such. I do have a life outside this game believe it or not, and can not be here at your beck and call 24/7.

I think the primary problem people have been having is that they've been seeing you viewing the thread and you haven't been immediately posting your scan results, which could come off as suspicious. Personally I don't have an opinion on it.

[BrianD]

LSG is lying, she is the one that Attacked Alan.

I wasn't part of the little campfire last night, but I did hear the attack. As I rounded the corner to look at it, I saw LSG poised for another strike. Her eyes caught mine and she dropped the branch and ran off.

[Alan T]

LSG is lying, she is the one that Attacked Alan.

I wasn't part of the little campfire last night, but I did hear the attack. As I rounded the corner to look at it, I saw LSG poised for another strike. Her eyes caught mine and she dropped the branch and ran off.

Are you sure of this story? Whether or not I believe LSG is the real seer, from what I do know of her behavior after hours I have a problem believing that she would resort to beating me over the head with a stick. My ex-wife might do that, but not LSG. I have a hunch she would be a bit more cereberal with her attacks if she was indeed bad.

[ntndeacon]

Unvote Thomkal

[BrianD]

Are you sure of this story? Whether or not I believe LSG is the real seer, from what I do know of her behavior after hours I have a problem believing that she would resort to beating me over the head with a stick. My ex-wife might do that, but not LSG. I have a hunch she would be a bit more cereberal with her attacks if she was indeed bad.

I don't know. We have seen three types of attacks. One is the knife attack we have gotten most nights. Another was what seemed to be a more cereberal attack a few nights ago. The night before last, I think someone got smacked with a log from the fire. This last one matches pretty well will the branch from the tree attack. Maybe the cereberal attack can't be done every night, and these "attacks of opportunity" are the in-between attacks? All I can tell you is what I saw. The fact that she saw me see her means that she had to call me out to protect herself.

[Grammaticus]

Okay, BrianD give us the full deal. What were you doing out at night to be able to see the attack?

[Thomkal]

No reason to get touchy Thomkal. People have been upset because you've been in the thread at times without giving the information that you know. It isn't that people expect you to be here 24/7, but when you are here people would like to know information that you are bringing to the table.

When you don't post specific information at times it makes people feel you are hiding something, or waiting for teammates to build or develop a story. I fully understand not wanting to be here every passing minute of the day, but when you are here you have to realize the #1 important thing people want to know from you every day is:

Who did you scan, what were the results of the scan, why did you choose that person.

They might have responses back to you depending on what you respond, but its just part of the game. Getting touchy or defensive about it isn't going to help anything unfortunatly.

Sorry Alan,

I just had to vent a little there. I realize people need to know information from me, but its not like I wait until five minutes before the lynch before giving it. If it wasn't for the migraine the other day, you would have had the reveal in the morning, just like you had it in the morning today. It can be of benefit to us if I wait to reveal the view, because it might get an evil caught in a lie.

[BrianD]

Okay, BrianD give us the full deal. What were you doing out at night to be able to see the attack?

I never did give my full name before because I thought it would unfairly prejudice the other players. My name is Bill Ferny. I am a farmer and worker of husbandry. In the books, Bill gave some information to Saruman's(?) men and sold the Fellowship a pony for way more than it was worth.

I worried that if I told my name, people would either think I was bad, or the dark teams might figure that I was convertable (which is still possible). As it is, I'm not a terribly friendly or social individual. I had no reason to be out any more meaningful that Alan's "taking a leak" reason. I think I was out just so I could witness the failed attack. To be clear, I don't have any abilities which require me to be outside (I don't have any abilities at all). Apparently this is just how to attack was to be discovered.

[Alan T]

I never did give my full name before because I thought it would unfairly prejudice the other players. My name is Bill Ferny. I am a farmer and worker of husbandry. In the books, Bill gave some information to Saruman's(?) men and sold the Fellowship a pony for way more than it was worth.

I worried that if I told my name, people would either think I was bad, or the dark teams might figure that I was convertable (which is still possible). As it is, I'm not a terribly friendly or social individual. I had no reason to be out any more meaningful that Alan's "taking a leak" reason. I think I was out just so I could witness the failed attack. To be clear, I don't have any abilities which require me to be outside (I don't have any abilities at all). Apparently this is just how to attack was to be discovered.

Sounds like you aren't a horrible person to take a gamble on losing then to see if LSG is telling the truth about you. Since we won't lose any important roles or anything.

[Tyrith]

Hrm. As I see it, we can't keep going with this stupid two seer game if we're going to ignore what they say. If we aren't going to listen to them, we might as well consider them as normal lynch targets. So I'm going to go with LSG, assume that Brian is playing desperate defense, and if he's good then we kill LSG tomorrow. The only viable alternative is to switch the order of the lynches, but that doesn't make any sense.

[Grammaticus]

I never did give my full name before because I thought it would unfairly prejudice the other players. My name is Bill Ferny. I am a farmer and worker of husbandry. In the books, Bill gave some information to Saruman's(?) men and sold the Fellowship a pony for way more than it was worth.

I worried that if I told my name, people would either think I was bad, or the dark teams might figure that I was convertable (which is still possible). As it is, I'm not a terribly friendly or social individual. I had no reason to be out any more meaningful that Alan's "taking a leak" reason. I think I was out just so I could witness the failed attack. To be clear, I don't have any abilities which require me to be outside (I don't have any abilities at all). Apparently this is just how to attack was to be discovered.

Well, I can understand AlanT's situation there as he was the target of the attack. That means he has to be involved. But you are saying that you have no special role, the GM just out of the grace of his heart let you witness an attack and identify the attacker. That is just too far out for a WW game. What are you not telling us?

[BrianD]

Sounds like you aren't a horrible person to take a gamble on losing then to see if LSG is telling the truth about you. Since we won't lose any important roles or anything.

Quite true. All I really am in a number in the number's game. If you have sufficient numbers without me, then go ahead and kill me. When I show up good, you'll know I wasn't lying about LSG.

[Alan T]

Hrm. As I see it, we can't keep going with this stupid two seer game if we're going to ignore what they say. If we aren't going to listen to them, we might as well consider them as normal lynch targets. So I'm going to go with LSG, assume that Brian is playing desperate defense, and if he's good then we kill LSG tomorrow. The only viable alternative is to switch the order of the lynches, but that doesn't make any sense.

Are you afraid one of them is going to say you are bad next? I have no problem keeping them both alive for a while.

[Alan T]

Quite true. All I really am in a number in the number's game. If you have sufficient numbers without me, then go ahead and kill me. When I show up good, you'll know I wasn't lying about LSG.

Well lucky for us if you do turn up good, we can definitly lynch LSG tommorrow.

The great thing about this game though is even if you do turn up bad it doesn't confirm anyone's sides since one bad guy team can easily sell out the other to gain trust.

At some point, I would highly recomment Saruman or Sauron's forces to do just that. Tell us what you know about the other side to try to gain trust :)

[BrianD]

As I am working the numbers...we are down to 14 players, right?

[Tyrith]

Are you afraid one of them is going to say you are bad next? I have no problem keeping them both alive for a while.

No, but if we're not going to listen to them why aren't we considering them as lynch targets? We need to either consider them as seers and use their information or we need to ignore the whole thing and actually start considering lynching them again. But we can't just let them sit around and babble and ignore it, or not do anything because we're paralyzed in fear of doing something wrong.

[Thomkal]

Wow Brian, that sounds like a pretty shaky defense to me. Before I switch my vote over, I'd still like to hear from LSG about why she chose Brian over me. But with that, I'm offline for a bit.

[ntndeacon]

Vote Brian D
I do not think the first wolf that either seer has seen will turn out to be fake.

[Alan T]

No, but if we're not going to listen to them why aren't we considering them as lynch targets? We need to either consider them as seers and use their information or we need to ignore the whole thing and actually start considering lynching them again. But we can't just let them sit around and babble and ignore it, or not do anything because we're paralyzed in fear of doing something wrong.

I thought thats what we are doing by voting BrianD today... where am I wrong on that?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Also how do you know you were bodyguarded last night? I assumed since I didn't die when attacked that I was protected somehow by the bodyguard.
It could be like RE where they need to attack with more than one person to guarantee success.

[BrianD]

Well, I can understand AlanT's situation there as he was the target of the attack. That means he has to be involved. But you are saying that you have no special role, the GM just out of the grace of his heart let you witness an attack and identify the attacker. That is just too far out for a WW game. What are you not telling us?

Not really, the GM puts us where we need to be. I wish there was more to me so I could give you an exciting story, but it just isn't the case. However the mechanics work, I was chosen to witness the failed attack. Apparently that is the danger to their non-cereberal attack.

[Alan T]

It could be like RE where they need to attack with more than one person to guarantee success.

I thought about that.. but then you mean to tell me they waited till night 5 to try to do a solo attack?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Question for the vets:

I know the bodyguard role allows you to prevent a player from being killed, but does the bodyguard see who was trying to make the kill?