Werewolf XLI - Apocalypse Awakens - Game over!

[Mr. Wednesday]

To be fair, LSG wasnt exactly the most cleared person. They had to expect her to die soon anyways, maybe they would take that shot and hope she was watched. I could see that play, as she was on almost everyones suspect list


(Mathemanic)

Um, no, that just doesn't make any sense.

While I don't disagree that she was the most likely to get any sort of a watching tonight, there's no guarantee that's what she would have attracted. Equally likely that she might have just drawn some sort of seer.

And that she was likely to die soon anyway is a piss poor reason for the other four to kill her. If she was day-killed, that would have required us to spend our own energy and abilities in the attack, energy and abilities that now may wind up being directed at another of the remaining horsemen, or even Apocalypse himself.

[Blade6119]

(Silver Surfer)

It just seems that there was a lot of people converging on her house last night and while I felt she was a suspect, I didn't have her as the prime one. You, Captain America, Warpath, Mandarin and Apocalypse all seemed to be in the same spot? I'd love to hear what Cap America and Mandarin have to say.

Only ntn and i seemed to go to LSG.

Apoc went to alan it sounds like, and for some reason captain marvel went to alan too. I never saw apoc, alan, or sackattack. I never even saw LSG, just ntn enter and leave

[Mr. Wednesday]

(Mathemanic)

Deadpool, you and Wolverine still have not adequately explained your continuing assault on Doom.

[SackAttack]

(Silver Surfer)

It just seems that there was a lot of people converging on her house last night and while I felt she was a suspect, I didn't have her as the prime one. You, Captain America, Warpath, Mandarin and Apocalypse all seemed to be in the same spot? I'd love to hear what Cap America and Mandarin have to say.

Marvel was never highest on my list of suspects, but she was somebody who was rubbing me wrong all game long. First, there was the whole imperious dominatrix bit going on.

Then, she backed off on that, claiming she didn't understand the character, and started becoming this obsequious, fawning, "Captain America is the greatest man I've ever known" kind of character. Way too much self-insinuation going on there.

I wasn't ever confident in her as good, but she wasn't the character I most thought was evil. That said, at least one of the people I was confident about being evil turned out to be good, so my instincts haven't got a great track record outside of my night actions.

[path12]

I wasn't ever confident in her as good, but she wasn't the character I most thought was evil. That said, at least one of the people I was confident about being evil turned out to be good, so my instincts haven't got a great track record outside of my night actions.

(Silver Surfer)

So you were looking at her? Or Warpath? I'm confused. Plus it appears that everyone has a night action but me. :(

[Mr. Wednesday]

(Mathemanic)

Silver Surfer, I do not have a night action, although I suppose it's possible that some of my general abilities might be usable at night.

[path12]

(Mathemanic)

Silver Surfer, I do not have a night action, although I suppose it's possible that some of my general abilities might be usable at night.

(Silver Surfer)

Technically, I also have an ability I can use at night, but no action.

Mathemanic, what do you make of this whole thing?

[Qwikshot]

(Silver Surfer)

So you were looking at her? Or Warpath? I'm confused. Plus it appears that everyone has a night action but me. :(


(Gambit)

"Laissez les bon temps rouler mon amie. I have no night actions, tis better to sleep and dream of cards."

[SackAttack]

(Silver Surfer)

So you were looking at her? Or Warpath? I'm confused. Plus it appears that everyone has a night action but me. :(

I don't know if I ever really "looked" at either one of them. I was suspicious of her, certainly, but I never had enough confidence to attack her.

[Qwikshot]

(Gambit)

"We shouldn't attack anyone yet...we must understand if Mandarin did destroy Mar-vel.? I guess it was a gambit to check her out, but if he had a true evidence, perhaps more can be gleaned and direct towards the enemy rather than at each other, no?"

[SackAttack]

I've got a couple thoughts on my action today, but I'm willing to hold off on executing anything until I hear from Mandarin, certainly.

[Mr. Wednesday]

(Mathemanic)

Yesterday, I felt pretty good about attacking Juggernaut. At this point, the only deterrent from doing it again is the vague statement he made about possibly being one of the 12; although he took a lot of pre-defense damage, I know that two of his four attackers were good (Hawkeye and myself) and Professor X has vouched for Gambit.

Beyond that, I'd need to look more closely at who has piled onto who.

I've been wary of Moon Knight, but at this point his contributions look rather more positive than negative; it doesn't preclude him being one of the four remaining, but I think it's looking less and less likely.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Was anyone able to come forward and validate me last night? Obviously, I can not quote the exact PM, but I got the impression that I am one of the 12.

Why do you think you're one of the 12?

SPIDER-MAN

[Qwikshot]

(Gambit)

"Is it me, or is Juggernaut's hinting he may be one of the 12, like making a jambalaya and grabbing at anything to keep as a stay of execution...? Not that I want to attack heem again, unless there is evidence to do so, but I find it curious..."

[Qwikshot]

(Gambit)

"Also, I'm adrift with a team, and I wonder if any are interested in taking a chance with me, no? Otherwise, I shall go it alone."

[SackAttack]

Gambit, I'm having a similar thought.

The only other person here who has claimed to be one of the Twelve is Professor X, and he says that has something to do with his scan - that it's essentially random, and that his name 'happened' to come up. He at least gave us an explanation for how he came by that impression.

Juggernaut, on the other hand...I've got a bad feeling about this.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

(Gambit)

"Is it me, or is Juggernaut's hinting he may be one of the 12, like making a jambalaya and grabbing at anything to keep as a stay of execution...? Not that I want to attack heem again, unless there is evidence to do so, but I find it curious..."

I think so, too. He sounds like he's grasping at straws right now. I'm going to hold off on attacking him because I want to hear his explanation as to why he thinks he's one of the 12, but right now it's not looking good for him. And don't forget that Marvel didn't go after him last and went after Hulk instead, despite saying that I had made a good case against Juggernaut.

SPIDER-MAN

[Jonathan Ezarik]

(Gambit)

"Also, I'm adrift with a team, and I wonder if any are interested in taking a chance with me, no? Otherwise, I shall go it alone."

I don't believe I'm in a team anymore (Wolverine, you left La Resistance, right?). If you think you can trust me, I'm willing to team up with you.

SPIDER-MAN

[SackAttack]

{OOC} I just got called in to work at Best Buy at 3 pm, so I'll be around 'til around 2:30 or so. I will be casting my attack before I leave {/OOC}

[GoldenEagle]

Why do you think you're one of the 12?

SPIDER-MAN

It was just the way my PM was worded. It was along the lines of the shock that I expressed earlier. Basically, I did nothing last night except rest up and think about how the others were attacking me for no reason. Also, Gambit's attack hit the hardest.

[GoldenEagle]

Oh and I still have a good amount of energy left, so I think I could have taken even more damage yesterday. The attack yesterday cost roughly half of my energy.

[Qwikshot]

Oh and I still have a good amount of energy left, so I think I could have taken even more damage yesterday. The attack yesterday cost roughly half of my energy.

(Gambit)

"That iz all well and good Juggernaut, but I only hit you as they say, lightly...I can hit much harder, but I am not sure yet, if I should."

[Blade6119]

Oh and I still have a good amount of energy left, so I think I could have taken even more damage yesterday. The attack yesterday cost roughly half of my energy.
Attacks take down your energy, not your health?

[GoldenEagle]

Attacks take down your energy, not your health?

I have the option of which one I want it to take down.

[DaddyTorgo]

INVITE GAMBIT INTO ATLANTIC ALLIANCE

I presume this is agreeable captains?

SA. can you guard the same person multiple nights in a row? it would be helpful for me to know night-action wise.

as for your attack...I've been at work. I have no advice...

[Bonegavel]

I don't believe I'm in a team anymore (Wolverine, you left La Resistance, right?). If you think you can trust me, I'm willing to team up with you.

SPIDER-MAN

(Wolverine)

yes, I left the LaR.

[GoldenEagle]

I will be around to answer any sort of questions. I am not planning on going without a fight.

Isn't posting the same thing three times in a row a sure fire sign of being a wolf?

[DaddyTorgo]

also SA if you are agreed...perhaps ntn and blade could join the alliance? I leave it to you to make those invites though...

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I think the Professor wants Gambit to join him in the Atlantic Alliance, but I'm not completely sure. :)

SPIDER-MAN

[DaddyTorgo]

its a sure sign of IE on my lil phone hanging up that's for sure.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I have the option of which one I want it to take down.

When do you do this? While you're being attacked, or at night?

SPIDER-MAN

[GoldenEagle]

I think the Professor wants Gambit to join him in the Atlantic Alliance, but I'm not completely sure. :)

SPIDER-MAN

I think he is trying to pad the post count so that he can say he was a wolf in the most popular WW game ever. :)

[GoldenEagle]

When do you do this? While you're being attacked, or at night?

SPIDER-MAN

I have the option of activating the passive defense at anytime.

[GoldenEagle]

For what it is worth, here is who I think is three of the final bad guys:

1. Daredevil
2. Professor X
3. Storm

YMMV.

[SackAttack]

Professor, I have no objections. Particularly if they intend to attack Juggernaut - which is the direction I'm leaning myself - it makes more sense for them to be in the Atlantic Alliance than not.

Nothing prevents me from visiting you tonight, if I so choose.

[SackAttack]

For what it is worth, here is who I think is three of the final bad guys:

1. Daredevil
2. Professor X
3. Storm

YMMV.

Okay. Wow. MAJOR sirens going off in my head.

Attack Juggernaut

[Poli]

*Deadpool*

A lot less pages to catch up on. Some thoughts on Professor X:

Why kill Warpath instead of Professor X? There are two possibilities: The bodyguard protected Professor X or they thought that he would be protected by the bodyguard.

I'm still going for Doom.

ATTACK DOOM

You ain't getting the full attack today pal, so count yourself lucky.

Not sure why you're doing this. I'm fairly comfortable with Doom. I've racked my brain trying to decide how attacking himself would be beneficial, rather than attacking one of the twelve.

I just don't see it.

[Poli]

Not sure why you're doing this. I'm fairly comfortable with Doom. I've racked my brain trying to decide how attacking himself would be beneficial, rather than attacking one of the twelve.

I just don't see it.


Ah crap. Wrong junk in red.

DD

[Poli]

For what it is worth, here is who I think is three of the final bad guys:

1. Daredevil
2. Professor X
3. Storm

YMMV.

Eh, me?

DD

[GoldenEagle]

Okay. Wow. MAJOR sirens going off in my head.

Attack Juggernaut

It can set off all the sirens in your head that you want to. But when I am dead and you discover how wrong you were, maybe, just maybe you can have some sense talked in to you. I suspect you are good, but just mislead in this game where the wolves have done a good job of mass confusion.

[SackAttack]

It can set off all the sirens in your head that you want to. But when I am dead and you discover how wrong you were, maybe, just maybe you can have some sense talked in to you. I suspect you are good, but just mislead in this game where the wolves have done a good job of mass confusion.

This is as sure as I've been all game.

[Poli]

Can we get a list of current teams?

DD

[GoldenEagle]

Eh, me?

DD

You are a traitor and a coward who casted a vote at the last possible minute. That vote will come back to haunt you after I am discovered as one of the good. I have feeling you were trying to get in a final shot to kill off two of the 12. You tried to think of some excuse such as will Hawkeye die if I attack Juggernaut. Hopefully people can see through that when I am gone.

[Poli]

You are a traitor and a coward who casted a vote at the last possible minute. That vote will come back to haunt you after I am discovered as one of the good. I have feeling you were trying to get in a final shot to kill off two of the 12. You tried to think of some excuse such as will Hawkeye die if I attack Juggernaut. Hopefully people can see through that when I am gone.
I am neither and you are grasping. It's actually enjoyable to watch.

DD

[GoldenEagle]

I plan on casting my vote, I plan on being around but just in case.

ATTACK PROFESSOR X (SLAM)

Please do not let this attack go to waste when I am gone.

[Poli]

I plan on casting my vote, I plan on being around but just in case.

ATTACK PROFESSOR X (SLAM)

Please do not let this attack go to waste when I am gone.
The only thing getting wasted around here is your attack.

DD

[GoldenEagle]

I am neither and you are grasping. It's actually enjoyable to watch.

DD



Traitor = voting for your teammate
Coward = putting a last second vote in against someone who has not posted any sort of a defense.

[SackAttack]

I expected better of you, Juggernaut. Certainly your action removes any doubt I had about whether or not to do this today:

Attack Juggernaut - IDENTIFY WEAK POINT

[Poli]

Traitor = voting for your teammate
Coward = putting a last second vote in against someone who has not posted any sort of a defense.
I didn't choose you for the team. Feel free to leave.

Let's try this:

KICK JUGGER TO THE CURB AND OUT OF CONVENIENT ALLIES OR WHATEVER OUR TEAM NAME IS.

DD

[GoldenEagle]

I expected better of you, Juggernaut. Certainly your action removes any doubt I had about whether or not to do this today:

Attack Juggernaut - IDENTIFY WEAK POINT

You will regret it. When I turn out to be good, what is your next plan going to be?

[hoopsguy]

With the 50% needed (excluding the person up for vote) in Doom's team to remove Juggernaut, here is what I show for current teams. A lot more free agents than in previous reports:

Mutant First: Magneto, Cannonball
Convenient Allies: Doom, Daredevil
FORCE: Storm, Hulk, Venom
Atlantic Alliance: CapAm, Britain, ProfX

Solo: Deadpool, Surfer, Moon, Mandarin, Math, Gambit, Storm, Wolverine, Spiderman, Juggernaut

[GoldenEagle]

I didn't choose you for the team. Feel free to leave.

Let's try this:

KICK JUGGER TO THE CURB AND OUT OF CONVENIENT ALLIES OR WHATEVER OUR TEAM NAME IS.

DD

I am not the back-stabbing coward.

[Poli]

Take it easy, Jugger. If you can't take the heat, stay out of Hell's Kitchen.

DD

[Poli]

I am not the back-stabbing coward.
Maybe you and Marvel can make your own team. I noticed she was defending you yesterday.

DD

[SackAttack]

You will regret it. When I turn out to be good, what is your next plan going to be?

'When'? You keep on using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[ntndeacon]

The forces of good are not sure where to turn after it is revealed that Hawkeye was also a member of the Twelve. The prevailing theories of the last two days are now in tatters - where to turn next? Who can stop the evil of Apocalypse from spreading, if not the twenty gathered here at the start of this conflict?

Two more fall on this night, as the sounds of conflict ring out across the ship. Captain America is the first on the scene, just in time to watch Apocalypse teleport away. The body of Warpath, who seems to be missing most of his torso, also shimmers and disappears. He was another of the Twelve!

But could the tide be turning? A search for Captain Marvel reveals that she was slain in her quarters - her transparent form appears to have had the life sucked from it. Given the opportunity to search the body and her quarters, you learn that she was in fact a Horseman of Apocalypse!!!

Day 4 has begun.

(Mandarin)
Sorry to hear about Warpath. However I am glad that my assassination turned out as well as I planned it. Using my vortex ring I was able to suck out the life of Captain Marvel. Unfortunately I won't be able to duplicate the feat.

[Poli]

(Mandarin)
Sorry to hear about Warpath. However I am glad that my assassination turned out as well as I planned it. Using my vortex ring I was able to suck out the life of Captain Marvel. Unfortunately I won't be able to duplicate the feat.

Welcome to the circle. It's a growing circle. You're welcome to it.

DD

[Schmidty]

HULK JUST WAKE UP!!! HAPPY TO SEE EVIL LADY THAT ATTACK HULK IS DEAD.

HULK A LITTLE SAD THOUGH. HULK WANTED TO SQUASH HER HIMSELF!!!!

[WVUFAN]

Doom says Juggernaut is not a Horseman.

ACTIVATE FORCEFIELD

You are all FOOLS for attacking someone for whom Doom believes to be a teammate. If he falls, those who fell him will face Doom.

ATTACK SACKATTACK (Energy)

[Qwikshot]

Join Atlantic Alliance

(Gambit)

"I am ready to partake of a team. Thank you for the offer Spiderman, but I will take this offer to join their team."

[Qwikshot]

(Gambit)

"Hoo boy, tings just got more complex..."

[Poli]

Doom says Juggernaut is not a Horseman.



??

DD

[Qwikshot]

(Gambit)

"How does Doom know this?"

[Poli]

(Gambit)

"How does Doom know this?"

Yeah, can't say I saw this one coming.

DD

[SackAttack]

Try again, Doom.

Redirect Attack - Juggernaut


Post restored per GM request. ~BK, YFWWM

[Poli]

Try again, Doom.

Redirect Attack - Juggernaut


Impressive.

DD

[Qwikshot]

(Gambit)

"Hey Hulk, how bout smashing Doom or Juggernaut for us?"

[Tyrith]

Someone deleted a post. Fix it. Now.

[GoldenEagle]

Take it easy, Jugger. If you can't take the heat, stay out of Hell's Kitchen.

DD

You will be getting what is coming to you in due time. I consider myself a mortar of sorts. Hopefully my death will wake people up around here.

[SackAttack]

{OOC} Did the math wrong on my energy, so I deleted my previous move. Stupid, stupid.{/OOC}

Dodge Attack - Doom

[WVUFAN]

Why?

DO YOU QUESTION DOOM?!?!?! FOOLS!!

What HAS Juggernaut done to justify this attack? Most of you have attacked those who are innocent, so that cannot be a reason.

There are those in this group that have acted much more suspiciously than Juggernaut has.

[SackAttack]

Someone deleted a post. Fix it. Now.

{OOC} That was me. Mistakes have been made on my energy the last two nights, so to prevent a mathematical error causing that again, I deleted my illegal move. Didn't want you guys to be confused by it. {/OOC}

[Tyrith]

{OOC} Did the math wrong on my energy, so I deleted my previous move. Stupid, stupid.{/OOC}

Dodge Attack - Doom

This move is disallowed. The previous move stands. Don't delete posts under any circumstances.

If you screw up you will find us generally willing to work with you, but this was not a good method to do so.

[ntndeacon]

I will be back in a bit from class I shall catch up further then

[SackAttack]

This move is disallowed. The previous move stands. Don't delete posts under any circumstances.

If you screw up you will find us generally willing to work with you, but this was not a good method to do so.

Number one: I'm talking with hoops and have been for the last few minutes.

Number two, it was YOUR fucking mistake that caused me to, in consideration of YOU, do that.

Get off your bloody high horse.

[hoopsguy]

Someone deleted a post. Fix it. Now.

I've got it covered. I've talked with the player in question.

[GoldenEagle]

Deleted posts are a big no-no in WW. I think the player in question should not be allowed to attack today.

[WVUFAN]

(ooc) it was an honest mistake, and one he immediately owned up to. You should reconsider -- after all, he's attacking me, and I don't mind him changing up. It's a fair move, and one that should be allowed, IMO.

[Poli]

Why?

DO YOU QUESTION DOOM?!?!?! FOOLS!!

What HAS Juggernaut done to justify this attack? Most of you have attacked those who are innocent, so that cannot be a reason.

There are those in this group that have acted much more suspiciously than Juggernaut has.

Hmm, well, there were others I was suspicious of, but Moon seems to have cleared himself, so has gambit(?) ntndeacon.

Jugger was high on my list before for going after X, which I assumed you wouldn't be for, either.

Jugger's reaction seems to tell me that he's desperate and not one of us.

DD

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Why?

DO YOU QUESTION DOOM?!?!?! FOOLS!!

What HAS Juggernaut done to justify this attack? Most of you have attacked those who are innocent, so that cannot be a reason.

There are those in this group that have acted much more suspiciously than Juggernaut has.

Do you have any proof that Juggernaut is not Apocalypse or one of the Horsemen?

SPIDER-MAN

[Poli]

Deleted posts are a big no-no in WW. I think the player in question should not be allowed to attack today.
I'd expect no less from you.

DD

[GoldenEagle]

(ooc) it was an honest mistake, and one he immediately owned up to. You should reconsider -- after all, he's attacking me, and I don't mind him changing up. It's a fair move, and one that should be allowed, IMO.

Oh ok. I did not see the attack was redirected. Meanwhile, SA is growing and growing in my mind as the potential fourth member of the horsemen.

[WVUFAN]

Do you have any proof that Juggernaut is not Apocalypse or one of the Horsemen?

SPIDER-MAN

None, other than there are now 3 Horseman and Apocalypse, and I have a feeling I know who those four are, and there is no room for a 5th.

[Schmidty]

(Gambit)

"Hey Hulk, how bout smashing Doom or Juggernaut for us?"

HULK NOT MAD AT THEM. DID THEY DO SOMETHING HULK NOT KNOW?

HULK WANT TO HELP, BUT NOT UNDERSTAND.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

None, other than there are now 3 Horseman and Apocalypse, and I have a feeling I know who those four are, and there is no room for a 5th.

Who do you think they are, then?

SPIDER-MAN

[SackAttack]

Oh ok. I did not see the attack was redirected. Meanwhile, SA is growing and growing in my mind as the potential fourth member of the horsemen.

Gosh, I'm SHOCKED at this analysis. No, really, I can't believe you'd resort to THAT bag of tricks.

[hoopsguy]

Number one: I'm talking with hoops and have been for the last few minutes.

Number two, it was YOUR fucking mistake that caused me to, in consideration of YOU, do that.

Get off your bloody high horse.

One - Tyrith had no way of knowing this. He is trying to make sure the game is run smoothly and fairly for all

Two - the mistake on energy was mine, not his. He does not deserve to get attacked in the thread over this. He has put in an inordinate amount of time helping make this game flow as smoothly as it has for everyone.

Now lets everyone be cool like Fonzie and step away from the edge. Mistake happened, corrected, and lets return to the normally scheduled programming.

[GoldenEagle]

I'd expect no less from you.

DD

I am not the traitor though. Juggenaut will challenge you to a fistfight any day of the week. I wish we could do that, similar to the Tombstone game.

[SackAttack]

HULK NOT MAD AT THEM. DID THEY DO SOMETHING HULK NOT KNOW?

HULK WANT TO HELP, BUT NOT UNDERSTAND.

Hulk, I believe them both to be on Apocalypse's side. Doom has been falling in my estimation, but I still more strongly doubt Juggernaut.

His action in attacking Professor X - who has the backing of several of us - sealed that deal for me. Doom attacking me is disappointing, but I at least understand why he might do that. I still am leaning towards he may be evil after all, but...his action is understandable.

I don't know whether you trust me or not. If you do, I would ask you to attack Juggernaut.

[Schmidty]

Number one: I'm talking with hoops and have been for the last few minutes.

Number two, it was YOUR fucking mistake that caused me to, in consideration of YOU, do that.

Get off your bloody high horse.

HULK THINK YOU VERY VERY RUDE!!!!!

MAYBE HULK SHOULD CRUSH YOU!!!!

[Schmidty]

Hulk, I believe them both to be on Apocalypse's side. Doom has been falling in my estimation, but I still more strongly doubt Juggernaut.

His action in attacking Professor X - who has the backing of several of us - sealed that deal for me. Doom attacking me is disappointing, but I at least understand why he might do that. I still am leaning towards he may be evil after all, but...his action is understandable.

I don't know whether you trust me or not. If you do, I would ask you to attack Juggernaut.

HULK WILL THINK THIS OVER

[SackAttack]

I appreciate the consideration, Hulk.

{OOC} I have to leave for work now. I'm covering a shift for a sick co-worker, and I won't be home until about 10:30 Pacific. Good luck, heroes. {/OOC}

[GoldenEagle]

HULK WILL THINK THIS OVER

Hulk, you should consider an attack on Professor X. go back and ask yourself why Sinister would visit Professor X two nights in a row. There is not a logical explanation of that. Perhaps if we both pound on Professor X, we will rid ourselves of one of the horsemen.

[GoldenEagle]

Gosh, I'm SHOCKED at this analysis. No, really, I can't believe you'd resort to THAT bag of tricks.

I am not the one deleting posts when you know that is a big no-no in WW. You then go all ape shit when a moderator calls you out on. Why would you have so much incentive to delete that post?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Meanwhile, SA is growing and growing in my mind as the potential fourth member of the horsemen.

If this is true we've got a whole lot of evil running around. If Captain America comes up evil, that means that everyone who vouched for his is probably evil. That means Professor X and Captain Britain. If those two are evil, then Doom and Sinister (never mind the fact that he's dead and confirmed good) are also evil because they both vouched for X. DD must be evil since he vouched for Doom, too.

See, that's a lot of evil. Five (six if you count the dead Sinister) bad guys when there should only be four. Something doesn't add up in this scenario.

SPIDER-MAN

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Meanwhile, SA is growing and growing in my mind as the potential fourth member of the horsemen.

If this is true we've got a whole lot of evil running around. If Captain America comes up evil, that means that everyone who vouched for his is probably evil. That means Professor X and Captain Britain. If those two are evil, then Doom and Sinister (never mind the fact that he's dead and confirmed good) are also evil because they both vouched for X. DD must be evil since he vouched for Doom, too.

See, that's a lot of evil. Five (six if you count the dead Sinister) bad guys when there should only be four. Something doesn't add up in this scenario.

SPIDER-MAN

[Bonegavel]

**Please don't forget to post your character's name in your post**

Please please please :) :)

[GoldenEagle]

If this is true we've got a whole lot of evil running around. If Captain America comes up evil, that means that everyone who vouched for his is probably evil. That means Professor X and Captain Britain. If those two are evil, then Doom and Sinister (never mind the fact that he's dead and confirmed good) are also evil because they both vouched for X. DD must be evil since he vouched for Doom, too.

See, that's a lot of evil. Five (six if you count the dead Sinister) bad guys when there should only be four. Something doesn't add up in this scenario.

SPIDER-MAN

Perhaps all the vouching is miscalculated. Would the wolves be able to hide this? Probably. I am not saying Sack Attack is evil, I am just suspecting him. Can you tell me why Sinister visited a guy he vouched for the previous day. Does that add up?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Hulk, you should consider an attack on Professor X. go back and ask yourself why Sinister would visit Professor X two nights in a row. There is not a logical explanation of that. Perhaps if we both pound on Professor X, we will rid ourselves of one of the horsemen.

We don't know why Sinister went back, but he vouched for the Professor before he died. And since Sinister was good, I don't see how that can be used against X.

SPIDER-MAN

[WVUFAN]

Who do you think they are, then?

SPIDER-MAN

I believe the Horseman to be:

Deadpool -- he attacked Doom without reason on day one, and has consistantly picked the wrong person

Moon Knight -- he is lying about the night action.

Gambit -- VERY under the radar. Just following the flow

Cannonball -- also very under the radar.

and Venom is Apocalypse.

[Bonegavel]

Perhaps all the vouching is miscalculated. Would the wolves be able to hide this? Probably. I am not saying Sack Attack is evil, I am just suspecting him. Can you tell me why Sinister visited a guy he vouched for the previous day. Does that add up?

(Wolverine)

Could he have been protecting the Prof? Maybe a night move of his was to protect another at night.

[SackAttack]

I am not the one deleting posts when you know that is a big no-no in WW. You then go all ape shit when a moderator calls you out on. Why would you have so much incentive to delete that post?

Incentive, nothing. My energy totals have been off because of math mistakes the last two nights (note: they've been too HIGH). I realized I had posted an action that required more energy than I had available. Rather than be the cause of another math error, I deleted, posted my reasons for doing so, and moved on.

As for going apeshit, I've told both hoops and Tyrith that I resented the tone he took with me for that. I screwed up, and I admit it, and I've had conversations with both of them about that as well.

Believe me, I would have liked nothing better than to use that action on you.

Now, dammit, I have 7 minutes to shower before I leave. I hope my explanation meets with your satisfaction.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Perhaps all the vouching is miscalculated. Would the wolves be able to hide this? Probably. I am not saying Sack Attack is evil, I am just suspecting him. Can you tell me why Sinister visited a guy he vouched for the previous day. Does that add up?

Who knows? Maybe he was going to do something to allow X to be an actual seer instead of a partial one. Maybe he was there to set up something that would allow them to communicate. I don't know, but just because he went back is not a damning act in my book.

SPIDER-MAN

[GoldenEagle]

We don't know why Sinister went back, but he vouched for the Professor before he died. And since Sinister was good, I don't see how that can be used against X.

SPIDER-MAN

Perhaps the horsemen have some sort of anti-seer mechanism? Sinister knew about this and that is why he went back?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I believe the Horseman to be:

Deadpool -- he attacked Doom without reason on day one, and has consistantly picked the wrong person

Moon Knight -- he is lying about the night action.

Gambit -- VERY under the radar. Just following the flow

Cannonball -- also very under the radar.

and Venom is Apocalypse.

Gambit was vouched for by the Professor today as one of the 12.

SPIDER-MAN

[path12]

Moon Knight -- he is lying about the night action.

(Silver Surfer)

Doom, do you have proof of this? That whole scenario just strikes me as odd also.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Perhaps the horsemen have some sort of anti-seer mechanism? Sinister knew about this and that is why he went back?

If he knew and didn't tell us then he royally screwed us over.

SPIDER-MAN

[GoldenEagle]

Now, dammit, I have 7 minutes to shower before I leave. I hope my explanation meets with your satisfaction.

It is still a big no-no for deleting posts. Was the post ever restored? It is a disadvantage for us not to be able to read that post.

[GoldenEagle]

If he knew and didn't tell us then he royally screwed us over.

SPIDER-MAN

It would not be the first mistake made in a WW game. Professor X comes out and posts how we was attacked (and it just happened to be the guy that dies that night - coincidence?) and that guy ends up dead. Then he says how he misread and then kept adding and adding to that story and yet he gets away with very little suspicion?

[GoldenEagle]

Could blade be lying to gain him and ntndeacon some creditability?

[GoldenEagle]

I believe the Horseman to be:

Deadpool -- he attacked Doom without reason on day one, and has consistantly picked the wrong person

Moon Knight -- he is lying about the night action.

Gambit -- VERY under the radar. Just following the flow

Cannonball -- also very under the radar.

and Venom is Apocalypse.

I believe that if you combine our lists, that should give us a good starting point as to who the horsemen are. The only issue is weeding through the nine or so candidates.

[Bonegavel]

Gambit was vouched for by the Professor today as one of the 12.

SPIDER-MAN

(Wolverine)

Though technically, Prof could be vouching for a fellow Horseman.

Doesn anyone remember if Sinister just kind of trusted Prof or totally trusted the Professor (ie, he used a power to determine)?

[WVUFAN]

Doom did not read that Professor X had vouched for Gambit. Perhaps Doom should revise his opinion.

As for Moon Knight -- his reasoning for attacking the Horseman is in question. Why her? Did he just pick her at random and get lucky? Doom thinks not.

Doom is very doubtful over the affair.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

It would not be the first mistake made in a WW game. Professor X comes out and posts how we was attacked (and it just happened to be the guy that dies that night - coincidence?) and that guy ends up dead. Then he says how he misread and then kept adding and adding to that story and yet he gets away with very little suspicion?

If X was responsible for killing Sinister, why would he come out and say Sinister attacked him before the results were announced? Why draw that attention to himself?

SPIDER-MAN

[Bonegavel]

Could blade be lying to gain him and ntndeacon some creditability?

(Wolverine)

But Mandarin (ntdeacon) killed a horseman. Does he need more credibility?

[SackAttack]

It is still a big no-no for deleting posts. Was the post ever restored? It is a disadvantage for us not to be able to read that post.

Ardent quoted it, so it should still be readable on page...52, whatever the page # is that's one page previous to this one.

All I did was give Doom a one-liner ("Try again, Doom."), and redirect his energy attack from me to you. That's it. Unfortunately (both for me and for the side of good), I didn't have enough energy to actually do that. We've already been over the math stuff.

I'm out of the shower, and my work clothes will be dry in 60 seconds (at which point I'm boogeying my ass down to work.

Juggernaut and Doom, guys. Those're my two top candidates for evil. I'm throwing that out there because I won't be back before deadline.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Dr. Doom, while your logic behind this is excellent, I am extremely confident that Charles is not a Horseman. After much research in the field of mutanagenic genes, and judging from samples of his, it is highly unlikely that Apocolypse has corrupted him

Here is Sinister's vouch for X.

SPIDER-MAN

[GoldenEagle]

(Wolverine)

But Mandarin (ntdeacon) killed a horseman. Does he need more credibility?

That has only been validated by Moon Knight and disputed by Doom.

[path12]

Hmm, I see this evening has already proved eventful, without any true action occuring. Here are my thoughts:

1. Xavier is the only person I trust in this game. As I stated, I know more than anyone about mutants and their genes, and if Charles was Apocalypse, I would have noticed a difference in the samples.

(Silver Surfer) Here is where Sinister vouches for Prof X. Sounds pretty sure to me.

[path12]

Here is Sinister's vouch for X.

SPIDER-MAN

So he vouched for him twice.

[GoldenEagle]

If X was responsible for killing Sinister, why would he come out and say Sinister attacked him before the results were announced? Why draw that attention to himself?

SPIDER-MAN

I have a feeling the horsemen got their wires crossed somewhere. Perhaps he was supposed to announce someone else? Professor X, even at this point, had been vouched for. He had some creditability and maybe he was trying to get another member of the 12 killed that day?

[hoopsguy]

It is still a big no-no for deleting posts. Was the post ever restored? It is a disadvantage for us not to be able to read that post.

Ardent has quoted the deleted post in #2567. I'll ask Barkeep if he is able to recover the deleted post when I see him, using his moderator black magic.

I've spoken with all parties involved. No one was trying to gain an advantage here - drawing attention through illegal WW actions is not a winning formula no matter what team you are on. It was an honest mistake and should be treated as such.

[GoldenEagle]

So he vouched for him twice.

If he was so confident in vouching for him, then why did he validate for him again?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

So he vouched for him twice.

I would take that as a completely solid vouch. I don't understand anyone thinking otherwise.

SPIDER-MAN

[Jonathan Ezarik]

If he was so confident in vouching for him, then why did he validate for him again?

Why are you questioning the actions of a KNOWN GOOD GUY? It's one thing to doubt Sinister's actions if he's still alive and unknown, but we know he was good. All you are doing now is digging a deeper grave.

SPIDER-MAN

[Mr. Wednesday]

Hulk, you should consider an attack on Professor X. go back and ask yourself why Sinister would visit Professor X two nights in a row. There is not a logical explanation of that. Perhaps if we both pound on Professor X, we will rid ourselves of one of the horsemen.

(Mathemanic)
Is that really what you mean? If there is not a logical explanation, then it lends itself to concluding neither that the Professor is good nor that the Professor is bad. You seem to be arguing, rather, that it must logically mean that the Professor is bad. Can you perhaps elucidate your exact reasoning?

[Barkeep49]

Ardent has quoted the deleted post in #2567. I'll ask Barkeep if he is able to recover the deleted post when I see him, using his moderator black magic.

I've spoken with all parties involved. No one was trying to gain an advantage here - drawing attention through illegal WW actions is not a winning formula no matter what team you are on. It was an honest mistake and should be treated as such.
Post will be undeleted. As always I'm happy to use my black magic to assist GMs when and where possible. As always it's great to be gone and come back and find that our own ability to cool down prevails. It's why I love the WW community.

~Barkeep49, Your Friendly WW Moderator

[GoldenEagle]

Why are you questioning the actions of a KNOWN GOOD GUY? It's one thing to doubt Sinister's actions if he's still alive and unknown, but we know he was good. All you are doing now is digging a deeper grave.

SPIDER-MAN

Yes he was good, but why did he visit him twice if he was so confident of his vouch? You can not answer that and therefore, I think you need to throw the vouch out the window.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I believe the Horseman to be:

Deadpool -- he attacked Doom without reason on day one, and has consistantly picked the wrong person

Moon Knight -- he is lying about the night action.

Gambit -- VERY under the radar. Just following the flow

Cannonball -- also very under the radar.

and Venom is Apocalypse.

(Mathemanic)
Please elaborate on Moon Knight.

And your grouping cannot be correct, because the Professor has claimed that Gambit is one of the twelve. If you believe that Gambit is one of the four remaining, then the Professor must be as well, or there must be some reason that he is mistaken.

[Thomkal]

I believe the Horseman to be:

Deadpool -- he attacked Doom without reason on day one, and has consistantly picked the wrong person

Moon Knight -- he is lying about the night action.

Gambit -- VERY under the radar. Just following the flow

Cannonball -- also very under the radar.

and Venom is Apocalypse.

(Cannonball)

"Here Ah thought you were so smart, Mr. Doom. Care to explain then why Ah was attacked by five people on day 1 if Ah was one of the Horsemen or Apocalypse? Five people who are still alive mind you. Two of which are on your list, Moon Knight and Gambit. And Ah have not been under the radar. I've been quiet today because I've been very busy, but no one can say that I've not otherwise been contributing to the discussion. Ah begin to wonder what some of these other people are saying about you is right after all."

[Barkeep49]

Yes he was good, but why did he visit him twice if he was so confident of his vouch? You can not answer that and therefore, I think you need to throw the vouch out the window.
I think that it's likely that Sinister could do more than just scan, or else got progressively better scans the more times he visited.

[path12]

If he was so confident in vouching for him, then why did he validate for him again?

(Silver Surfer) We don't actually know why he was there, and unfortunately he's not around to clear that question up. However, the fact that he did vouch for Prof X twice leads me to think that there are better avenues you could be pursuing other than this one. Like the question that remains for me which is why there were apparently four people plus Apocalypse all around Marvels' house last night and for what purpose?

[GoldenEagle]

(Mathemanic)
Is that really what you mean? If there is not a logical explanation, then it lends itself to concluding neither that the Professor is good nor that the Professor is bad. You seem to be arguing, rather, that it must logically mean that the Professor is bad. Can you perhaps elucidate your exact reasoning?

My exact reasoning has been outlined several times. Why did professor come out and say that he was attacked by a man who was already dead. Did Professor X kill him when he came to his house? Probably.

[path12]

I would take that as a completely solid vouch. I don't understand anyone thinking otherwise.

SPIDER-MAN

(Silver Surfer)

We are agreed on this, Spiderman.

[Mr. Wednesday]

That has only been validated by Moon Knight and disputed by Doom.

(Mathemanic)
But that's not entirely right... nobody else has claimed the kill. If Mandarin is truly not the one whose singular action killed Captain Marvel, then someone else knows that yet has kept silent, and there is no reason why that should be the case that would involve Mandarin being bad.

[GoldenEagle]

(Silver Surfer) We don't actually know why he was there, and unfortunately he's not around to clear that question up. However, the fact that he did vouch for Prof X twice leads me to think that there are better avenues you could be pursuing other than this one. Like the question that remains for me which is why there were apparently four people plus Apocalypse all around Marvels' house last night and for what purpose?

That is a very good question as well.

Also has anyone had any visits from Professor X? Gambit?

[Mr. Wednesday]

My exact reasoning has been outlined several times. Why did professor come out and say that he was attacked by a man who was already dead. Did Professor X kill him when he came to his house? Probably.

(Mathemanic)

Humor me and outline it again.

At the moment, you're arguing subsequent events based on the premise that the Professor is bad. Sure, if he's bad, then it's possible that Sinister was killed by the Professor subsequent to the visit, but you still haven't shown how the second visit, in the face of Sinister's own statement that the Professor could be trusted, somehow shows the Professor to be bad.

[Barkeep49]

Is there a crowd that's still suspicious of Spiderman? I know I am and would consider looking that way for an attack today.

[GoldenEagle]

(Mathemanic)
But that's not entirely right... nobody else has claimed the kill. If Mandarin is truly not the one whose singular action killed Captain Marvel, then someone else knows that yet has kept silent, and there is no reason why that should be the case that would involve Mandarin being bad.

Doom needs to come forward and explain himself then.

[GoldenEagle]

(Mathemanic)

Humor me and outline it again.

At the moment, you're arguing subsequent events based on the premise that the Professor is bad. Sure, if he's bad, then it's possible that Sinister was killed by the Professor subsequent to the visit, but you still haven't shown how the second visit, in the face of Sinister's own statement that the Professor could be trusted, somehow shows the Professor to be bad.

My point is why did Professor come out and say Sinister tried to attack him and then Sinister is the one who wound up dead. Does that not trouble you?

If Professor X is vouching for people, then he is saying he has some sort of seer abilities. If someone has received a night visit from Professor X, then I will consider backing off. Otherwise, I believe him to be bad.

[GoldenEagle]

Professor X vouched for Gambit. Did he vouch for anyone else?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Also has anyone had any visits from Professor X? Gambit?

I don't believe that's how X works. His is a mental power so he doesn't have to physically visit people (especially since he doesn't know who the 12 are beforehand).

SPIDER-MAN

[GoldenEagle]

Also if Professor X is a seer and he is good, then why is he alive right now?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

My point is why did Professor come out and say Sinister tried to attack him and then Sinister is the one who wound up dead. Does that not trouble you?

If Professor X is vouching for people, then he is saying he has some sort of seer abilities. If someone has received a night visit from Professor X, then I will consider backing off. Otherwise, I believe him to be bad.

X didn't know that Sinister was good when he posted that. It was before we found out that Sinister was dead. From the way he described it (Sinister coming after him with a needle and saying they could work together), it would sound evil to me, too.

SPIDER-MAN

[Bonegavel]

That has only been validated by Moon Knight and disputed by Doom.

Mandarin said he did it. ??

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Also if Professor X is a seer and he is good, then why is he alive right now?

Maybe because you needed someone to try to divert the attention to?

SPIDER-MAN

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Is there a crowd that's still suspicious of Spiderman? I know I am and would consider looking that way for an attack today.

Interesting.

SPIDER-MAN

[Barkeep49]

Have I forgotten someone who's vouched for you today that hadn't yesterday Spidey?

[Bonegavel]

(Wolverine)

I thing that I've noticed is that we've killed a lot so far, but we haven't killed any of the non 12 or non 5 (the oddball 8).

Anyone get a deep look at the folks leading charges against those that have died? You'd think we should've killed an Oddball 8 by now.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Have I forgotten someone who's vouched for you today that hadn't yesterday Spidey?

Nobody has vouched for me.

SPIDER-MAN

[GoldenEagle]

There is still not a logical explanation as to why Sinister went back for a second trip.

[GoldenEagle]

I don't believe that's how X works. His is a mental power so he doesn't have to physically visit people (especially since he doesn't know who the 12 are beforehand).

SPIDER-MAN

I would imagine there would be something in the PM about it though.

[Bonegavel]

Also if Professor X is a seer and he is good, then why is he alive right now?

(Wolverine)

Nobody has drummed up much against him. I think the 5 are letting us pick pick our targets and then piling on the ones that are the 12. Nobody has really pushed for Prof yet, so they are biding their time.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I would imagine there would be something in the PM about it though.

Why would you get a message that you'd been scanned?

SPIDER-MAN

[Qwikshot]

(Gambit)

"I am of the persuasion that Juggernaut is twisting words. Prof X was cleared by the late Sinister. Prof X "thought" at first that Sinister was intending to harm heem, but then realized that he was taking a sample from heem to determine if he waz a 'orseman or the Apocalpyse. I am inclined to believe that Prof X is clean, regardless of his vouch that I am of the 12. Prof X did not meet me, nor did I witness anything to validate his confirmation that I am of the 12. I believe that Juggernaut iz bad, I think Doom is misguided at best."

ooc: I witnessed what Sackattack had posted and nothing seemed to warrant anything bad. I remember once getting the riot act of editing a quote, simply because it was 6 am and I completely forgot not to edit wordings...it's just the way it is.

[DaddyTorgo]

whether sack deleted a post or whatever he is good. I am 100% sure of that. those that attack sack or myself are either horsemen or morons.

I will be home in 45 minutes to see wtf happened. this was just a 5 min break and I saw some controversy apparently. I am exactly what I have said all along I am and sack is a member of the 12. evil just wants to take out the two of us in one blow to cripple the rest of you good guys!

[Blade6119]

I believe the Horseman to be:

Deadpool -- he attacked Doom without reason on day one, and has consistantly picked the wrong person

Moon Knight -- he is lying about the night action.

Gambit -- VERY under the radar. Just following the flow

Cannonball -- also very under the radar.

and Venom is Apocalypse.

WVU, i regret to inform you that you your lying wont work. Prove im lying, you cant. I can make you lood bad though, and i think you know that. Ive been hinting for 2 days now about you, and you try to take the first chance you get to try and get me killed.

Im more then happy to reveal my actions, as path asked, now that you have checked in. I was waiting for you, and wolverine will confirm i believe that i have been for doom but for different reasons for 2 days now. Feel free to keep ranting doom, your just digging your own grave in conjuction with what i know

[Bonegavel]

There is still not a logical explanation as to why Sinister went back for a second trip.

(Wolverine)

Could the 5 have killed him and then dumped his body elsewhere? I dont' see anything in the rules that says their corpses can't be taken elsewhere and then killed.

(ooc)off to haircut(/ooc)

[Qwikshot]

There is still not a logical explanation as to why Sinister went back for a second trip.

(Gambit)

"Who cares?!? You are questioning the motives of a dead man cleared as good. I am much more interested in the living. Sinister never changed his opinion of X, which means to me, that he is not worth looking at for a 3rd time."

[Mr. Wednesday]

Doom needs to come forward and explain himself then.
(Mathemanic)
So you claim that Doom, not Mandarin, killed Captain Marvel?

[Bonegavel]

WVU, i regret to inform you that you your lying wont work. Prove im lying, you cant. I can make you lood bad though, and i think you know that. Ive been hinting for 2 days now about you, and you try to take the first chance you get to try and get me killed.

Im more then happy to reveal my actions, as path asked, now that you have checked in. I was waiting for you, and wolverine will confirm i believe that i have been for doom but for different reasons for 2 days now. Feel free to keep ranting doom, your just digging your own grave in conjuction with what i know

(Wolverine)

I can vouch that you have been the ONLY other one with me against Doom. Deadpool is, but I really don't see his reasoning at all. I think Doom just pissed him off or something.

And for the record, I only mention off'ing Hulk because it is the smart thing to do and not that I don't trust/mistrust him. He is better dead because of his power.

[GoldenEagle]

(Wolverine)

Could the 5 have killed him and then dumped his body elsewhere? I dont' see anything in the rules that says their corpses can't be taken elsewhere and then killed.

(ooc)off to haircut(/ooc)

But he talked to Professor X. It would be hard to talk to him and tell him about working together as a team if he was dead. His whole story is incomplete and has all sorts of holes in it. Yet no one can see it.

[WVUFAN]

Doom needs to come forward and explain himself then.

Why has no one come forward? Doom cannot explain that. But, let us examine the initial claim of responsibility:

I spent last night watching LSG's house

Why? Why her and not someone whom the majority of people attacked the previous night, such as Juggernaut?


and before i heared the mammoth blast that everyone heared NTN came quietly in the night to LSGs house, was there a short period of time, and then left. I had originally assumed he was a seer or what not, then i caught up and read that lsg was killed i knew he was evil. Then lsg came up evil, and i dont know what to think. Is it possible for evil to kill alan and lsg if we had a day lynch?

Ahhh ... so he claims to have seen NTN kill LSG but STILL believes NTN to be evil? He's casting doubts upon the very person he claims to have seen kill a Horseman.

Also, Doom has not seen (and may have missed it), NTN come forth to claim the kill. So you have the testimony of someone who, for unknown reasons, claims to have gotten lucky enough to have watched the right person at just the right time, saw Mandarin make a night kill on a Horseman, but still cannot confim Mandarin to be good.

Yes, Doom believes that to be fishy.

If Mandarin comes forth, I might believe it more. As it stands now, you have the word of someone highly suspected at the time claiming at JUST the right time (just before people begin to attack him) to be in JUST the right place to save himself.

Very convenient.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

(Wolverine)

Could the 5 have killed him and then dumped his body elsewhere? I dont' see anything in the rules that says their corpses can't be taken elsewhere and then killed.

(ooc)off to haircut(/ooc)

Doesn't matter. X admitted that Sinister visited him and Warpath showed up shortly after Sinister was killed outside X's "dwelling". Sinister was there to see X again. We don't know why, and, to me, it doesn't matter. Sinister firmly vouched for X before he died. We won't know why he went back until after the game.

SPIDER-MAN

[path12]

Is there a crowd that's still suspicious of Spiderman? I know I am and would consider looking that way for an attack today.

(Silver Surfer)

Magneto, to be honest I've never really understood the Spiderman argument. Is it just that he hasn't been vouched for? Because that's true of many of us, myself included. If there's more to it than that, I'd be happy to listen -- it's quite possible I've forgotten something.

[Barkeep49]

There is still not a logical explanation as to why Sinister went back for a second trip.
I offered TWO explanations for why. What was wrong with those?

[Qwikshot]

(Mandarin)
Sorry to hear about Warpath. However I am glad that my assassination turned out as well as I planned it. Using my vortex ring I was able to suck out the life of Captain Marvel. Unfortunately I won't be able to duplicate the feat.


Quoted for truth.

[Barkeep49]

(Silver Surfer)

Magneto, to be honest I've never really understood the Spiderman argument. Is it just that he hasn't been vouched for? Because that's true of many of us, myself included. If there's more to it than that, I'd be happy to listen -- it's quite possible I've forgotten something.
Well the whole failing to attack, despite Alan's math exercise, still is not one I'm pleased about. And Jonathan is exactly the sort of player I'd have to seriously consider were I Apocalypse.

[Mr. Wednesday]

The following people have only attacked members of the 12:
Cannonball (Iron Man, Hawkeye x 2), Captain Britain (Mystique)**, Juggernaut (Mystique, Hawkeye x 2), Magneto (Iron Man, Hawkeye x 2), Mandarin (Mystique, Hawkeye x 2)***, Spiderman (Iron Man, Hawkeye)*, Storm (Mystique)**

* Failed to execute attacks on one day
** Failed to execute attacks on two days
*** Claims kill on Captain Marvel which should exonerate him if upheld


I'm working off of summary posts 889, 1424, and 2321.

[GoldenEagle]

Doesn't matter. X admitted that Sinister visited him and Warpath showed up shortly after Sinister was killed outside X's "dwelling". Sinister was there to see X again. We don't know why, and, to me, it doesn't matter. Sinister firmly vouched for X before he died. We won't know why he went back until after the game.

SPIDER-MAN

So you think the fact that Sinister went back has no importance?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Well the whole failing to attack, despite Alan's math exercise, still is not one I'm pleased about. And Jonathan is exactly the sort of player I'd have to seriously consider were I Apocalypse.

Warpath and Captain America both figured out why I didn't attack on day two.

SPIDER-MAN

[Mr. Wednesday]

(Mathemanic)
Storm's and Captain Britain's use of only a single attack in three days is noteworthy, I think.

And Spiderman seems to be downplaying his abilities every chance he gets. I think that he is significantly more capable than he lets on, but that's not necessarily a point against him, as it may make sense as a survival strategy for a good guy.

[Barkeep49]

Warpath and Captain America both figured out why I didn't attack on day two.

SPIDER-MAN
Oh I've seen the analysis. Doesn't mean I buy it or that it prevented you from using that energy for evil.

[Thomkal]

There is still not a logical explanation as to why Sinister went back for a second trip.

(Cannonball)

"Forgive me for perhaps stating the obvious, but perhaps Sinister was a bodyguard, and went back to protect him? Ah still don't trust the Professor, but at least this gives an explanation for Sinister's return trip."

[Grammaticus]

I have the option of activating the passive defense at anytime.
(Venom)

I thought hoops said that passive defenses are always active.

[Barkeep49]

(Mathemanic)
Storm's and Captain Britain's use of only a single attack in three days is noteworthy, I think.

And Spiderman seems to be downplaying his abilities every chance he gets. I think that he is significantly more capable than he lets on, but that's not necessarily a point against him, as it may make sense as a survival strategy for a good guy.
I'd consider storm as a target as well and like your additional point about Spidey.

[path12]

Why? Why her and not someone whom the majority of people attacked the previous night, such as Juggernaut?

(Silver Surfer)

Thank you. My point exactly.



Ahhh ... so he claims to have seen NTN kill LSG but STILL believes NTN to be evil? He's casting doubts upon the very person he claims to have seen kill a Horseman.

Also, Doom has not seen (and may have missed it), NTN come forth to claim the kill. So you have the testimony of someone who, for unknown reasons, claims to have gotten lucky enough to have watched the right person at just the right time, saw Mandarin make a night kill on a Horseman, but still cannot confim Mandarin to be good.

That is different. Mandarin has come out and said he used his vortex ring to kill Marvel.

But it still doesn't explain what Warpath and Cap America were doing in the same area, and we also don't know what information Mandarin had that made him decide that Marvel was bad. But for the record, I feel best about him in this whole thing.

[Barkeep49]

(Venom)

I thought hoops said that passive defenses are always active.
They are always active.

[Mr. Wednesday]

So you think the fact that Sinister went back has no importance?

(Mathemanic)
It's not that it's of no importance, it's that you haven't been able to show how it implicates the Professor, in the context of Sinister's own statements.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

So you think the fact that Sinister went back has no importance?

Correct. The only reason to go back and rescan someone is when there is the threat of conversion. I don't think that's possible in this game.

SPIDER-MAN

[GoldenEagle]

They are always active.

That is not true.

I am about to drive home and eat dinner.

[path12]

(Mathemanic)
Storm's and Captain Britain's use of only a single attack in three days is noteworthy, I think..

(Silver Surfer)

That's a very interesting analysis. I agree with you and would like to hear from both of them about it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

(Mathemanic)
Now, aside from the folks who have only attacked members of the twelve, we have Moon Knight standing alone as the only one to attack a member of the five, and Doom, Gambit, and myself as the only ones who have not attacked a known member of the twelve as yet (although any of our targets could later turn out to be members of the twelve).

[Thomkal]

The following people have only attacked members of the 12:
Cannonball (Iron Man, Hawkeye x 2), Captain Britain (Mystique)**, Juggernaut (Mystique, Hawkeye x 2), Magneto (Iron Man, Hawkeye x 2), Mandarin (Mystique, Hawkeye x 2)***, Spiderman (Iron Man, Hawkeye)*, Storm (Mystique)**

* Failed to execute attacks on one day
** Failed to execute attacks on two days
*** Claims kill on Captain Marvel which should exonerate him if upheld


I'm working off of summary posts 889, 1424, and 2321.

(Cannonball)

"That's a good list, er Mr. Mathemagic, but if Warpath was still alive he'd also be on that list Ah believe. So while the people on that list need to be looked at, not all of them can be evil. Like myself for instance. Ah simply attacked with mah team because Ah had no strong enough feelings for others and reason enough to attack them."

[Barkeep49]

That is not true.

I am about to drive home and eat dinner.
Then your passive powers work differently than both mine and Spiderman's, who I believe made a similar confirmation as I just did.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Passive powers are always active.

Sorry, Juggernaut, wrong about the passive powers.

[path12]

Then your passive powers work differently than both mine and Spiderman's, who I believe made a similar confirmation as I just did.

(Silver Surfer)

And mine as well, which is always active.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

But it still doesn't explain what Warpath and Cap America were doing in the same area, and we also don't know what information Mandarin had that made him decide that Marvel was bad. But for the record, I feel best about him in this whole thing.

For what it's worth, if I were Moon or Mandarin I would have watched/attacked Marvel last night, too. Her actions yesterday screamed out wolf to me.

SPIDER-MAN

[Mr. Wednesday]

(Mathemanic)
Cannonball, I'm not disagreeing with you there, and it's certainly possible (if not probable) that one or more of the four have occasionally scattered attacks onto the eight "unspecial" folks.

[Grammaticus]

This move is disallowed. The previous move stands. Don't delete posts under any circumstances.

If you screw up you will find us generally willing to work with you, but this was not a good method to do so.

I thought the rule was that if you execute an attack for which you do not have enough energy, you expend the energy anyway.

[Grammaticus]

I thought the rule was that if you execute an attack for which you do not have enough energy, you expend the energy anyway.

Nevermind, I figured out that you guys worked it out. Just don't pay attention to that post. Nothing to see, move along.

[WVUFAN]

(Mathemanic)
Cannonball, I'm not disagreeing with you there, and it's certainly possible (if not probable) that one or more of the four have occasionally scattered attacks onto the eight "unspecial" folks.

What moves did she make that were Horseman-like, dolt?

Who ARE you, anyway? Mathemanic? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You are a peon and a worm: a "peom" if you will.

Doom made a funny.

[Barkeep49]

I thought the rule was that if you execute an attack for which you do not have enough energy, you expend the energy anyway.
The attack was made because of a GM error. Doesn't seem fair to penalize Sack in that situation.

[Grammaticus]

Sorry, Juggernaut, wrong about the passive powers.

Sounds like Jugg is fibbing.

[Blade6119]

Why? Why her and not someone whom the majority of people attacked the previous night, such as Juggernaut?

Did i vote juggernaut? I voted LSG, and scanned LSG. I have viewed my top suspect every night of this game.

Night 1 i watched talgain...he went out for a bit, came back, and i saw him again no more that night. I did see a shiny object in the distance coming at amazing speeds right down upon his house though, only to have something collide mid air with it and throw 2 bodies from the wreckage. One of those bodies teleported away, the other ran away. The one that ran away was our bodyguard(or one of them at least) i gathered, but he is now dead.\

On night two i watched you wvu...quite simple really, and the same reason i voted you on day 2. Same reason i told you all i think voting you should be viewed as a positive and why im for a vote on you(this was during day 3 yesterday, you can all go back and check). You claimed on day 2 to be attacked at night, but not killed due to your doombot when i know full well that talgain was the night 1 target. I left the possibility open to you being good, and really were attacked. So i watched you to see if they would come finish you and they did not. You did in fact go out on night two, and were gone a fair amount of time. But unlike talgain when you came back no one came after you. I still didnt want to damn you, because maybe your a seer role or a bodyguard. Quite a few good roles have to go out at night, so i still didnt reveal you.

Night 3 i watch LSG, who like you was my top suspect and my vote that day. I already explained what went down last night, but i see people mistaking the facts.

I only saw NTN all night, but i was outside LSG's house. She never went out last night.

Apoc, Alan, and Sack were not at the same location we were, plain and simple. I think they were at alans, but i have no idea.

Now today you come out and tell me im lying...that leaves me with one option.

MOON KNIGHT ATTACK DR. DOOM (CRESCENT DART)

[Jonathan Ezarik]

(Mathemanic)
Now, aside from the folks who have only attacked members of the twelve, we have Moon Knight standing alone as the only one to attack a member of the five, and Doom, Gambit, and myself as the only ones who have not attacked a known member of the twelve as yet (although any of our targets could later turn out to be members of the twelve).

I find this more interesting than those that have attacked the 12. What are the chances of not hitting one of the 12 if you have no idea who they are?

SPIDER-MAN

[ntndeacon]

(Storm)

Although anyone is fair game, I don't think Marvel was in any imminent danger today. When there are only five bad guys, I cannot see them eliminating themselvs unless they absolutely are in danger.

I had considered attacking Mandarin today, because he abruptly left our group, without explaination yesterday and I got to thinking that, if a group stays together long enough, perhaps we learn more about our teammates (and that he might not want that to happen). But if you IDed him coming from Marvel's room, he moves up my list of trust substantially.

(Mandarin)

The reason for my leaving FORCE is clear. We have done NOTHING together as a team. Any boni that we might have gotten have gone the way of the dodo! Since it was ineffective, isaw no use for you or your compatriots.

[hoopsguy]

Sorry, Juggernaut, wrong about the passive powers.

I'll jump in to clear up a technicality here before it becomes the reason someone is lynched (rightly or wrongly).

Passive powers are always active and always consume energy associated with them. There are some powers in the game with variable energy costs, so there is a middle ground where both parties are correct in this discussion.

[Barkeep49]

(Mandarin)

The reason for my leaving FORCE is clear. We have done NOTHING together as a team. Any boni that we might have gotten have gone the way of the dodo! Since it was ineffective, isaw no use for you or your compatriots.
Would you be interested in joining mutants first? We've done a great job of acting in unison. All members have attacked the same person all 3 days.

[path12]

Only ntn and i seemed to go to LSG.

Apoc went to alan it sounds like, and for some reason captain marvel went to alan too. I never saw apoc, alan, or sackattack. I never even saw LSG, just ntn enter and leave

Marvel was never highest on my list of suspects, but she was somebody who was rubbing me wrong all game long. First, there was the whole imperious dominatrix bit going on.

Then, she backed off on that, claiming she didn't understand the character, and started becoming this obsequious, fawning, "Captain America is the greatest man I've ever known" kind of character. Way too much self-insinuation going on there.

I wasn't ever confident in her as good, but she wasn't the character I most thought was evil. That said, at least one of the people I was confident about being evil turned out to be good, so my instincts haven't got a great track record outside of my night actions.

I only saw NTN all night, but i was outside LSG's house. She never went out last night.

Apoc, Alan, and Sack were not at the same location we were, plain and simple. I think they were at alans, but i have no idea.

(Silver Surfer)

Well, it was I who had read everything to mean that you were all at Marvel's house. You did say that you only saw Mandarin at LSG's, so I apologize for the mixup.

But I include the Captain America quote because it doesn't quite fit, and is one possible reason for my confusion. It was in response for my request for clarification from him on the incident, and now that I look at it again it really doesn't clear up anything at all regarding where he was. I know he has been vouched by the Professor, so barring a conversion I'm not suspecting him or anything like that, but I would like to get a better idea of what he saw or didn't see last night.

[ntndeacon]

Doom says Juggernaut is not a Horseman.

ACTIVATE FORCEFIELD

You are all FOOLS for attacking someone for whom Doom believes to be a teammate. If he falls, those who fell him will face Doom.

ATTACK SACKATTACK (Energy)

(Mandarin)

You Pompous Tyrant!

This is the most cleared of all of us, and you want to help Apocalypse in getting rid of him. Hasn't it been determined that he was of the 12? This is clearly a sign that your faculties have deserted you!

[ntndeacon]

Doom says Juggernaut is not a Horseman.

ACTIVATE FORCEFIELD

You are all FOOLS for attacking someone for whom Doom believes to be a teammate. If he falls, those who fell him will face Doom.

ATTACK SACKATTACK (Energy)

(Mandarin)
You pretentious Tyrant!

How Dare you attack Captain America! He is the most cleared of any of us. Isn't he one of the 12? And yet you want to further Apocalypse's Cause. It is clear that you have lost the use of your facilities.

[path12]

(ooc) I'll be out for a couple of hours, but will be back before deadline (/ooc)

[DaddyTorgo]

catching up on all day a lil more in depth. 5 pages back

[ntndeacon]

I believe the Horseman to be:

Deadpool -- he attacked Doom without reason on day one, and has consistantly picked the wrong person

Moon Knight -- he is lying about the night action.

Gambit -- VERY under the radar. Just following the flow

Cannonball -- also very under the radar.

and Venom is Apocalypse.

(Mandarin)

I can only say that Idid go to see Captain Marvel. So if Moon knight has been Lying, it has not been about that. (Right now I doubt he has been.)

[Grammaticus]

(Venom)

I'm thinking it is time to take Doom out. He is really one that fits as a top Apocalypse pick based on his overall power level. His shenanagins on night one (I just wish someone else would cofirm or challenge his story) and his rally against Cpt America.

Anybody interested in that approach?

[Mr. Wednesday]

(Mathemanic)

Professor X, could you state again who you have identified among the twelve?

[Blade6119]

(Venom)

I'm thinking it is time to take Doom out. He is really one that fits as a top Apocalypse pick based on his overall power level. His shenanagins on night one (I just wish someone else would cofirm or challenge his story) and his rally against Cpt America.

Anybody interested in that approach?

I did challenge it, to some extend...did you even read my post?

[Qwikshot]

(Gambit)

"Can't we take out Juggernaut first, I think he'd be harder to knock out, and if he's evil then it only proves that Doom is as well?"

[Schmidty]

(Venom)

I'm thinking it is time to take Doom out. He is really one that fits as a top Apocalypse pick based on his overall power level. His shenanagins on night one (I just wish someone else would cofirm or challenge his story) and his rally against Cpt America.

Anybody interested in that approach?


HULK'S FRIEND WANTS TO DESTROY DOOM? HULK WILL THINK ABOUT THAT.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

(Gambit)

"Can't we take out Juggernaut first, I think he'd be harder to knock out, and if he's evil then it only proves that Doom is as well?"

I agree with this. After yesterday where 28 points of damage didn't do him in, I'm thinking we might need everything we've got to take him down.

SPIDER-MAN

[DaddyTorgo]

(X)

My dear Doom. I am still catching up and several pages back, but I will assure you COMPLETELY that neither SackAttack NOR Gambit is evil. I had trusted you to a large degree, but you are completely wrong about this, and it is only causing my trust of you to lower.

[ntndeacon]

My point is why did Professor come out and say Sinister tried to attack him and then Sinister is the one who wound up dead. Does that not trouble you?

If Professor X is vouching for people, then he is saying he has some sort of seer abilities. If someone has received a night visit from Professor X, then I will consider backing off. Otherwise, I believe him to be bad.

(Mandarin)
You think X would HAVe to visit someone to determine if they are a member of the 12? I would think he could do that from the comfort of his room.

[Grammaticus]

I did challenge it, to some extend...did you even read my post?

Is it this one?

Did i vote juggernaut? I voted LSG, and scanned LSG. I have viewed my top suspect every night of this game.

Night 1 i watched talgain...he went out for a bit, came back, and i saw him again no more that night. I did see a shiny object in the distance coming at amazing speeds right down upon his house though, only to have something collide mid air with it and throw 2 bodies from the wreckage. One of those bodies teleported away, the other ran away. The one that ran away was our bodyguard(or one of them at least) i gathered, but he is now dead.\

On night two i watched you wvu...quite simple really, and the same reason i voted you on day 2. Same reason i told you all i think voting you should be viewed as a positive and why im for a vote on you(this was during day 3 yesterday, you can all go back and check). You claimed on day 2 to be attacked at night, but not killed due to your doombot when i know full well that talgain was the night 1 target. I left the possibility open to you being good, and really were attacked. So i watched you to see if they would come finish you and they did not. You did in fact go out on night two, and were gone a fair amount of time. But unlike talgain when you came back no one came after you. I still didnt want to damn you, because maybe your a seer role or a bodyguard. Quite a few good roles have to go out at night, so i still didnt reveal you.

Night 3 i watch LSG, who like you was my top suspect and my vote that day. I already explained what went down last night, but i see people mistaking the facts.

I only saw NTN all night, but i was outside LSG's house. She never went out last night.

Apoc, Alan, and Sack were not at the same location we were, plain and simple. I think they were at alans, but i have no idea.

Now today you come out and tell me im lying...that leaves me with one option.

MOON KNIGHT ATTACK DR. DOOM (CRESCENT DART)

I guess that does kind of challenge it.

[GoldenEagle]

(Mandarin)
You think X would HAVe to visit someone to determine if they are a member of the 12? I would think he could do that from the comfort of his room.

Maybe. Maybe not. But there should be something in the PM.

Tell us exactly, why did you go to LSG's house last night?

There sure seems to be a ton of seers in this game. Someone has to be lying.

[Poli]

I am not the traitor though. Juggenaut will challenge you to a fistfight any day of the week. I wish we could do that, similar to the Tombstone game.
You wouldn't last 3 seconds against me. Never mess with a blind man.

[Poli]

Forgot the

DD

[GoldenEagle]

So Moon Knight, your powers are just to go and watch someone at night?

[Blade6119]

Is it this one?



I guess that does kind of challenge it.

Its why i voted him the next day and voted him that night

[ntndeacon]

Why has no one come forward? Doom cannot explain that. But, let us examine the initial claim of responsibility:



Why? Why her and not someone whom the majority of people attacked the previous night, such as Juggernaut?



Ahhh ... so he claims to have seen NTN kill LSG but STILL believes NTN to be evil? He's casting doubts upon the very person he claims to have seen kill a Horseman.

Also, Doom has not seen (and may have missed it), NTN come forth to claim the kill. So you have the testimony of someone who, for unknown reasons, claims to have gotten lucky enough to have watched the right person at just the right time, saw Mandarin make a night kill on a Horseman, but still cannot confim Mandarin to be good.

Yes, Doom believes that to be fishy.

If Mandarin comes forth, I might believe it more. As it stands now, you have the word of someone highly suspected at the time claiming at JUST the right time (just before people begin to attack him) to be in JUST the right place to save himself.

Very convenient.

(Mandarin)

I have come forth.
I killed the traitorous Captain marvel. I had had suspicions about her for a couple of days, as others among us have had. I used my Vortex ring to kill her. I believe I have said this before.

[Poli]

It is still a big no-no for deleting posts. Was the post ever restored? It is a disadvantage for us not to be able to read that post.
You can see it all you want. I quoted it before he deleted it.

Disadvantage? I think not. Keep grasping for straws.

DD

[Blade6119]

So Moon Knight, your powers are just to go and watch someone at night?

Their house, not them...if someone leaves, i dont follow. If events occur around that house i get to witness them. I witness extra events on nights 1(the bg block) and night 3(ntn going in and out)

[Poli]

Could blade be lying to gain him and ntndeacon some creditability?
Nope.

DD

[GoldenEagle]

You can see it all you want. I quoted it before he deleted it.

Disadvantage? I think not. Keep grasping for straws.

DD

Why do keep spewing crap that helps no one in this game? That was like two hours ago.

[GoldenEagle]

Nope.

DD

How do you know this? Are you another seer? Damn, we have like 8 seers in this game.

[Poli]

My exact reasoning has been outlined several times. Why did professor come out and say that he was attacked by a man who was already dead. Did Professor X kill him when he came to his house? Probably not.
Fixed this for you.

DD

[GoldenEagle]

Their house, not them...if someone leaves, i dont follow. If events occur around that house i get to witness them. I witness extra events on nights 1(the bg block) and night 3(ntn going in and out)

So you just saw ntn go into the house? You did not actually witness any killing?

[Raiders Army]

HULK THINK YOU VERY VERY RUDE!!!!!

MAYBE HULK SHOULD CRUSH YOU!!!!

HULK WILL THINK THIS OVER

*Deadpool*

Hulk change mind a lot. Maybe not so simple as Deadpool thought.

Seriously though, these consecutive posts cracked me up.

[GoldenEagle]

Fixed this for you.

DD

Mods, can we please do something about this player using red? That is usually reserved for mods. I have no problem with it being in his signature but when he starts quoting other players posts and making them red, then that could lead to some confusion.

Thanks!!

[DaddyTorgo]

Mathemanic

The people who are members of the 12 are myself, Captain America, and Gambit. Additionally I have a fairly high level of trust in Mandarin and a semi-high level of trust in Moon Knight.

Doom's faculties seem to have deserted him, and I would recommend to those who are truly good to come to a consensus in the next 2 hours on attacking either Doom or Juggernaut. Juggs attacked me, which is extremely ridiculous and very suspicious. Doom attacked Captain America, whom I have explicitly cleared.

(ooc) i don't go out to visit people btw. i cast about with my mind and pick up "snippets" and find out who the members of the 12 are (/ooc)

[Raiders Army]

I believe the Horseman to be:

Deadpool -- he attacked Doom without reason on day one, and has consistantly picked the wrong person

Moon Knight -- he is lying about the night action.

Gambit -- VERY under the radar. Just following the flow

Cannonball -- also very under the radar.

and Venom is Apocalypse.

*Deadpool*

WhachutalkinaboutWillis? Ummmmm, the guy I attacked two days in a row thinks I'm a Horseman? Whutta surprise! I didn't attack you day 1 either. My attack day 2 has already been explained ad naseum so I won't explain again.

[ntndeacon]

Would you be interested in joining mutants first? We've done a great job of acting in unison. All members have attacked the same person all 3 days.

(Mandarin)
I would be interested certainly, but know I am no mutant! I am a man of Science.

[hoopsguy]

Mods, can we please do something about this player using red? That is usually reserved for mods. I have no problem with it being in his signature but when he starts quoting other players posts and making them red, then that could lead to some confusion.

Thanks!!

Point taken - Daredevil, can you keep the red font restricted to the DD and not the post content to avoid any potential confusion?

[Mr. Wednesday]

So you just saw ntn go into the house? You did not actually witness any killing?

(Mathemanic)

Are you being intentionally obtuse, or have you really not observed that Mandarin has claimed (multiple times) to have killed Captain Marvel, without it being disputed?

[WVUFAN]

Mods, can we please do something about this player using red? That is usually reserved for mods. I have no problem with it being in his signature but when he starts quoting other players posts and making them red, then that could lead to some confusion.

Thanks!!

(ooc) Not to be picky or anything, but you might just ask Ardent to stop instead of complaining to the mods. I'm sure he'd be happy to comply.

[Poli]

Why do keep spewing crap that helps no one in this game? That was like two hours ago.
Because goob, I mean Jugger, I just got back from 2 hours of refereeing basketbal.

DD

[Poli]

Mods, can we please do something about this player using red? That is usually reserved for mods. I have no problem with it being in his signature but when he starts quoting other players posts and making them red, then that could lead to some confusion.

Thanks!!

Perhaps you'd like to take your horse and go home?

DD

[Raiders Army]

HULK'S FRIEND WANTS TO DESTROY DOOM? HULK WILL THINK ABOUT THAT.

*Deadpool*

Greenskin needs to do a little less thinking and a little more smashing. ;)

[WVUFAN]

Because goob, I mean Jugger, I just got back from 2 hours of refereeing basketbal.

DD

{ooc}
Makes sense. We accuse refs of being blind all the time, might as well have an actual blind ref. :-)

[Mr. Wednesday]

(ooc) GE, I think the only time ardent has overused red was an avowed mistake where he meant to red-ify his sig and accidentally got the whole post.

The only issue I see is if he makes a whole post red (intentionally), that's stepping on the mods toes. Individual words, not so much. (/ooc)

[Poli]

Point taken - Daredevil, can you keep the red font restricted to the DD and not the post content to avoid any potential confusion?
Duly noted, although we all know who's grasping for straws here.

DD

[ntndeacon]

Maybe. Maybe not. But there should be something in the PM.

Tell us exactly, why did you go to LSG's house last night?

There sure seems to be a ton of seers in this game. Someone has to be lying.

(Mandarin)

I am no seer. I do not claim to be. I was solely using my powers of deduction as most of us here are. She had seemed like she could be a horseman for a couple of days, but there were other targets that seemed likely as well. Several of her moves seemed suspect and it seemed even though she was viewed in a negative light she would stay around for a few more days at least. Since Iwas surest on her I took my chance. It paid off.

[Grammaticus]

Mathemanic

The people who are members of the 12 are myself, Captain America, and Gambit. Additionally I have a fairly high level of trust in Mandarin and a semi-high level of trust in Moon Knight.

Doom's faculties seem to have deserted him, and I would recommend to those who are truly good to come to a consensus in the next 2 hours on attacking either Doom or Juggernaut. Juggs attacked me, which is extremely ridiculous and very suspicious. Doom attacked Captain America, whom I have explicitly cleared.

(ooc) i don't go out to visit people btw. i cast about with my mind and pick up "snippets" and find out who the members of the 12 are (/ooc)

I think Doom is the better choice and will likely go that route here very shortly.

[Poli]

{ooc}
Makes sense. We accuse refs of being blind all the time, might as well have an actual blind ref. :-)


Too true.

DD

[WVUFAN]

*Deadpool*

Greenskin needs to do a little less thinking and a little more smashing. ;)

It appears, Hulk, that Deadpool is claiming you are not smart. Doom says you should make the final decision on whom to attack. Only Hulk knows what is best for himself.

[DaddyTorgo]

(X)

It appears Hulk has left the building. A pity...I was going to see how he felt about a contest of strength with Juggernaut on my behalf.

Doom, I see you there. What do you mean by attacking someone whom I have explicitly cleared? It only makes me think that perhaps Deadpool ought to intensify his attack because perhaps you are evil, although I truly hope this is not the case.

[GoldenEagle]

(Mathemanic)

Are you being intentionally obtuse, or have you really not observed that Mandarin has claimed (multiple times) to have killed Captain Marvel, without it being disputed?

And why are you so trusting of Mandarin? I am jsut trying to get to the bottom of this.

[Poli]

Because goob, I mean Jugger, I just got back from 2 hours of refereeing basketbal.

DD

Fixed that for myself.

DD

[Raiders Army]

Duly noted, although we all know who's grasping for straws here.

DD

LOL at ignoring the red. That's too funny!

[WVUFAN]

I think Doom is the better choice and will likely go that route here very shortly.

Not surprising, since Doom believes you to be Apocalypse.