Werewolf XLI - Apocalypse Awakens - Game over!

[Poli]

I dont get this comment. If you do a one point attack, you gaint 3 points over the night for a net of 2. If you do not attack, you gain 2 points over the night, for a net of 2. So, how do you gain the same energy as others by not attacking?
I could have swore I saw Tyrith post that if you didn't attack you didn't get the same amount of energy as those that did attack.

Maybe I'm wrong.

[hoopsguy]

AE, Gram has it right in terms of the math.

Rules state that if you do not attack, you only recover two points of energy overnight instead of three. However, if you attack, you are consuming a point of energy to get the three points of energy, so the net change is two points.

[Poli]

Scratches head. Guess I was thinking there was some sort of bonus to be gained by actually attacking.

[DaddyTorgo]

(ooc) on my phone from work so don't look for any great insight or thoughts from me yet.

I am going to repeat what I said last night...what about people such as storm, mandarin, venom, mathemanic, gambit. they have all more or less been UTR. we should at least take a closer look at people like that. I am not naming anyone specifically, I don't want to create a lynch mob...just saying, that TYPE of player that hasn't garnered any heat might be a good place to look, since those that have drawn heat so far have been good.

not sure why people believe that doom is even capable of faking the attack on himself...don't know if the rules would even allow that.

and for the record...wolverine wants to team with me...I have not accepted yet and might not still so please do not lump us together. nothing personal bonegavel, I just don't necessarily see that I have a reason to trust you yet, though I havnt dug deeper.

I intend to come home from work and look at wolverine, see if I can trust him, then look and see if I can figure what blade was talking bout yesterday and see where that puts him and whoever else on my list before seeing if there is anyone besides the two captains I would trust to watch my back.

(/ooc)

[Raiders Army]

I intend to come home from work and look at wolverine, see if I can trust him, then look and see if I can figure what blade was talking bout yesterday

Who's Blade in this game? :)

*Deadpool*

I also read the Atlantic Alliance as the Hell Atlantic Alliance every time I see it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Did the damage total from yesterday ever get finalized, by that I mean did everyone own up to the damage they dealt?
There was damage unaccounted-for in the tally on Cannonball, as I recall. I'm not sure if we had everybody covered on Iron Man or not.

[Mr. Wednesday]

(ooc)
Sorry about my absence yesterday. I had intended to pop in during the afternoon, then forgot about it.
(/ooc)

[DaddyTorgo]

back from work

[ntndeacon]

(Mandarin)

I think if and when we find out where Hawkeye's lay, we can see whether Captain Britain and Daredevil's late attacks are something that bears investigation. If Hawkeye is a Horseman or Apocalypse, then those two go down a notch on the trust meter. However if he is on the side of right, then Daredevil and Captain Britain, will at least be more trusted in my eyes.

[Swaggs]

Scratches head. Guess I was thinking there was some sort of bonus to be gained by actually attacking.

I saw and thought the same thing.

[ntndeacon]

(Mandarin)
There is a bonus for attacking, even if it is not in points. The bonus from attacking is in information, and when you do not attack...You hurt our cause. Please remember that when you think about not voting, as some of our group has done.

[Poli]

Don't mind me, I'm just sifting through the 10 pages or so from yesterday that I missed.

I had a long day in the courtroom.

[Poli]

I honestly don't know. I think there's a great chance that someone in our team is a Horseman and I'm not going to let loyalty to my teammates blind me to evil. I suggest we wait and see how he responds to being in the spotlight before we decide what course of action to take today.

SPIDER-MAN
Hm.....

[DaddyTorgo]

Hm.....

did spidey's quote make you think?

[Poli]

Has me more suspicious of Hawkeye. Wish I had seen it, say, yesterday. Dang it.

[Poli]

You need some Friends?

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1504/friendseq9.jpg

That was completely unnecessary. So unneccessary that I chose to quote it.

[Poli]

Good thing I can't see it.

[Poli]

Kill me and you will regret it.
Hm...this seems kind of like an odd statement. Perhaps Mystique dealt *some* damage to an attacker?

[Poli]

I'm Mystique and we can bonuses for playing in character. I guess I should have chosen to be Aunt May.

Nah, you did an outstanding job.

[Poli]

I can't take one of you guys with me. It was just a ploy to get you guys to back off that didn't work.
Doh. :rolleyes: Wish I hadn't quoted that now.

[ntndeacon]

It is kinda fun watching you catch up, DD.

(OOC)Sorry, I had to do that :D (OOC)

[Poli]

Hm.....And then he doesn't attack at all. :confused:

[Poli]

It is kinda fun watching you catch up, DD.

(OOC)Sorry, I had to do that :D (OOC)

Very funny. Everyone makes fun of the blind guy.

[Blade6119]

What do you mean by this? I thought if you get below double your current health (at start of day) that you die.

We have to do double damage to the 2nd lynchee. We obviously didnt do that to hawkeye, though i have no doubt we took him down below 0. I was saying if it was reversed, and hawkeye was the top lynchee(he would have won the tie-breaker) he would have died for going to 0, and mystique, still wounded badly from yesterday, would have been extremely easy to take to double health. Part of the reason i have to assume all of those late attacks on mystique were in some mannor to save hawkeye, though i still trust him more then most

[gi]

(Mandarin)

I think if and when we find out where Hawkeye's lay, we can see whether Captain Britain and Daredevil's late attacks are something that bears investigation. If Hawkeye is a Horseman or Apocalypse, then those two go down a notch on the trust meter. However if he is on the side of right, then Daredevil and Captain Britain, will at least be more trusted in my eyes.

The timing of my attack was two-fold. Real life events prevented an earlier response and I was awaiting Captain Americas lead.

[DaddyTorgo]

We have to do double damage to the 2nd lynchee. We obviously didnt do that to hawkeye, though i have no doubt we took him down below 0. I was saying if it was reversed, and hawkeye was the top lynchee(he would have won the tie-breaker) he would have died for going to 0, and mystique, still wounded badly from yesterday, would have been extremely easy to take to double health. Part of the reason i have to assume all of those late attacks on mystique were in some mannor to save hawkeye, though i still trust him more then most

i hadn't even thought of that. heavy stuff.

[Alan T]

Well we know Mystique was one of the 12. Sooo..

If Hawkeye is bad, its obvious some maneuvering was done behind the scenes to save him.

If Hawkeye is good, but not one of the 12, then still its argueable some maneuvering could have been done to kill off one of the 12, but I feel its less likely.

If Hawkeyes is good and one of the 12, then its very possible the horsemen sat back and let us do the work for them. Being able to choose between two different people both of whom they want dead.

What still makes little sense to me was the attacks on Doom. Someone who supposedly was attacked the night before. No one else has come forth to say they were attacked, we saw in the night write up some signs of a struggle with no one dead.. It seems pretty clear He was attacked as the night kill target.

Could Doom have been BSing us? Perhaps, but if so then who was attacked, what actually did happen? I think until we figure out some other reasonable explanation to the story, I have to somewhat believe Doom's story. So then why did people go after the guy who was attacked? Makes no sense to me at all.

[Blade6119]

What still makes little sense to me was the attacks on Doom. Someone who supposedly was attacked the night before. No one else has come forth to say they were attacked, we saw in the night write up some signs of a struggle with no one dead.. It seems pretty clear He was attacked as the night kill target.

Could Doom have been BSing us? Perhaps, but if so then who was attacked, what actually did happen? I think until we figure out some other reasonable explanation to the story, I have to somewhat believe Doom's story. So then why did people go after the guy who was attacked? Makes no sense to me at all.
Doom isnt at the bottom of my trust list right now, so i say this with no intent of hurting him. But he said he used a doom bot and it was destroyed. Sure enough, we heared a lot of noise, and found debris. But the debris was from a horse, not a doombot. And who might a horse indicate??? Maybe one of the four horsemen...

Thats why i had no problem attacking him over hawkeye. but im not readily going to say the horse was his. He said the doombot was at his house, and i dont think the scene we found when we investigated the noise was at his house.

[Poli]

Could Doom have been BSing us?

Just a guess, but I doubt it.

[Swaggs]

What still makes little sense to me was the attacks on Doom. Someone who supposedly was attacked the night before. No one else has come forth to say they were attacked, we saw in the night write up some signs of a struggle with no one dead.. It seems pretty clear He was attacked as the night kill target.

Could Doom have been BSing us? Perhaps, but if so then who was attacked, what actually did happen? I think until we figure out some other reasonable explanation to the story, I have to somewhat believe Doom's story. So then why did people go after the guy who was attacked? Makes no sense to me at all.


Agreed. The fact that Doom was, pretty clearly, attacked and defended himself on Night 1 leads me to trust him over everyone else for now.

[Blade6119]

Agreed. The fact that Doom was, pretty clearly, attacked and defended himself on Night 1 leads me to trust him over everyone else for now.

Again, i dont want to try and cast too much doubt on doom here, but why exactly is it pretty clear he was attacked?

[Poli]

I think he presented his case fairly well, having slowly read through yesterday's actions today.

DD

[Alan T]

Again, i dont want to try and cast too much doubt on doom here, but why exactly is it pretty clear he was attacked?

It seems like some attack happened from the night results. I would assume if some conflict occured someone would know it. He said he was the one attacked and no one really disputed that. I guess it just feels like one of those cases where I don't necessarily trust him, but I'm not going to come out gunning for him over everyone else who has nothing to point to them possibly being good.

[Alan T]

Doom isnt at the bottom of my trust list right now, so i say this with no intent of hurting him. But he said he used a doom bot and it was destroyed. Sure enough, we heared a lot of noise, and found debris. But the debris was from a horse, not a doombot. And who might a horse indicate??? Maybe one of the four horsemen...

Thats why i had no problem attacking him over hawkeye. but im not readily going to say the horse was his. He said the doombot was at his house, and i dont think the scene we found when we investigated the noise was at his house.

Did the night result actually say which house it was at? My remembering it just said we heard the commotion and came out to see the wreckage. I don't remember a location being discussed.

[Swaggs]

Again, i dont want to try and cast too much doubt on doom here, but why exactly is it pretty clear he was attacked?

It is not perfectly clear, but pretty clear because he claimed to have used a doombot to protect himself and, then yesterday, established that he is capable of calling on doombots, as he did so yeseterday during the daytime. Since no one else claimed to have been attacked, I assume it must have been him, no?

Your point about the horse seems correct, though. I didn't know much about Dr. Doom, but on wikipedia it says:

His most frequently-used robots are his "Doombots," exact mechanical replicas of the real Doctor Doom. They look like him, talk like him, and even act like him. Individually, Doombots have an advanced A.I. program that causes them to believe themselves really to be Doctor Doom.

So, while the horse could have been created by him, the fact that his action is called "doombot" would seem to indicate that replicas of himself are his source of defensive power. Thoughts?

[Alan T]

It is not perfectly clear, but pretty clear because he claimed to have used a doombot to protect himself and, then yesterday, established that he is capable of calling on doombots, as he did so yeseterday during the daytime. Since no one else claimed to have been attacked, I assume it must have been him, no?

Your point about the horse seems correct, though. I didn't know much about Dr. Doom, but on wikipedia it says:



So, while the horse could have been created by him, the fact that his action is called "doombot" would seem to indicate that replicas of himself are his source of defensive power. Thoughts?

Well I think there are holes in the story that i don't understand.. (Where is his doombot wreckage), Also he couldn't answer my questions about who or how he was attacked when I asked. I think if he had been able to, I would have felt better about it.

Do I trust him? No. Am I going to push to attack him? Of course not. He doesn't get a free pass here, but he seemed like one of the worst places to place an attack on day 2 to me.

It goes back to my whole question about what the motivation behind people's moves were. if Hawkeye is bad, then deadpool will end up looking really bad for not only pushing the attack away from Hawkeye, but also going after someone who supposedly was attacked the night before, and in addition to that using extra attack power to try to help catch up to the attack on Hawkeye.

[WVUFAN]

If you simpletons must know, and for the sake of understanding -- Doom will explain.

My Doombots are decoys. When Doom feels threatened, he has the ability to call upon his Doombots to stand in his place. Energy is expended in this regard, but Doom is saved from damage, and my Doombot takes it in it's place. While this goes on, Doom goes to his secret lair, and is not present.

In my place, my Doombots act, feel, speak and attack EXACTLY like Doom.

[WVUFAN]

Well I think there are holes in the story that i don't understand.. (Where is his doombot wreckage), Also he couldn't answer my questions about who or how he was attacked when I asked. I think if he had been able to, I would have felt better about it.

FOOL! Doom has already answered your question, simpleton! DO NOT QUESTION DOOM!

Sigh. Very well. Allow Doom to answer you again.

Doom is not present when his Doombot is activated. The entire purpose of my Doombots is to protect the power that is Doom from harm. I move to my secret lair when it is activated.

As for the wreckage, Doom can only surmise. When Mystique and Iron Man was taken, there was no bodies -- they simply disappear. Perhaps what remains of my Doombot met a similar end. Plainly stated(since your intellect is far below Doom's) -- I do not know what happened to it.

[DaddyTorgo]

Something else about Doom. The first time he claims a Doombot protected him at night and we end up with wreckage and a golden horse. The second time he had to publicly summon a doombot during the day.

What are the odds that he has two different possible actions both calling on the same device?

Although I don't have an alternative explanation for what happened, unless it was someone else who they tried to attack who hasn't told us or something?

[Alan T]

FOOL! Doom has already answered your question, simpleton! DO NOT QUESTION DOOM!

Sigh. Very well. Allow Doom to answer you again.

Doom is not present when his Doombot is activated. The entire purpose of my Doombots is to protect the power that is Doom from harm. I move to my secret lair when it is activated.

As for the wreckage, Doom can only surmise. When Mystique and Iron Man was taken, there was no bodies -- they simply disappear. Perhaps what remains of my Doombot met a similar end. Plainly stated(since your intellect is far below Doom's) -- I do not know what happened to it.


Technically you didn't answer my question, you just gave a hypothesis.. However I wouldn't dream of questioning someone as omniscient as you!

[WVUFAN]

Something else about Doom. The first time he claims a Doombot protected him at night and we end up with wreckage and a golden horse. The second time he had to publicly summon a doombot during the day.

What are the odds that he has two different possible actions both calling on the same device?

Although I don't have an alternative explanation for what happened, unless it was someone else who they tried to attack who hasn't told us or something?

Doom may activate a Doombot during the day or night. During the night, Doom activates it in private, as doing so publically eliminates the purpose of activating it. Activating, or doing any action during the day as you know, required Doom to publically state it. There can be no secrets in the light.

To answer your question, dolt ... Each time I activate a Doombot, it costs energy to do so, but I have multiple copies to call upon.

[DaddyTorgo]

Doom may activate a Doombot during the day or night. During the night, Doom activates it in private, as doing so publically eliminates the purpose of activating it. Activating, or doing any action during the day as you know, required Doom to publically state it. There can be no secrets in the light.

To answer your question, dolt ... Each time I activate a Doombot, it costs energy to do so, but I have multiple copies to call upon.

and the golden horse? why only at the scene of the doombot (which saw no wreckage present) and not at the scene of others dissapearing (also with no wreckage/evidence present) ??

just trying to make everything add up

[Poli]

Perhaps the golden horse was the device sent to destroy him.

[DaddyTorgo]

plenty of time before anymore moves are made, so i think those of us that are around should be especially aggressive in throwing stuff against the proverbial wall this weekend, to see if we can work anything out.

that's what i'm trying to do with you doom. just...answer whatever lingering questions i have, move you more towards the trusted side

[hoopsguy]

Scheduling heads-up - tomorrow is my wife's birthday and it now looks like we will be going out to lunch. So results will be up a little later than noon, probably more in the 3PM EST range.

The alternative would be to publish them tomorrow morning if I have all possible actions in by then. No pressure to get them in by that time, but if I have them all I'll go ahead and post results. If not, they will be up a little late.

[WVUFAN]

and the golden horse? why only at the scene of the doombot (which saw no wreckage present) and not at the scene of others dissapearing (also with no wreckage/evidence present) ??

just trying to make everything add up

Must Doom explain EVERYTHING?

They are HORSEMEN. Obviously whomever did the attacking rode a horse.

Apocalypse has employed mechanical horses for his minions in the past.

[DaddyTorgo]

Must Doom explain EVERYTHING?

They are HORSEMEN. Obviously whomever did the attacking rode a horse.

Apocalypse has employed mechanical horses for his minions in the past.

honestly Doom yes, I would prefer that you do explain everything. it can only help you if you are innocent.

[WVUFAN]

{OOC} Dola:

Just wanted to again make sure no one is taking offense to my roleplay. Doom is naturally beligerant, so I'm not actually calling you personally fools or any nonsense. Just wanted to toss that out there.

[Poli]

I trust Doom. Sounds weird to say that after noting how much he annoyed me before.

Doom, I would like to join you in a new group. Since Doom is Doom, you may call the group whatever you wish, if you will allow me to join it.

For now,

LEAVE LA RESISTANCE.

[Poli]

{OOC} Dola:

Just wanted to again make sure no one is taking offense to my roleplay. Doom is naturally beligerant, so I'm not actually calling you personally fools or any nonsense. Just wanted to toss that out there.
DOOM DOES NOT APOLOGIZE! :p

[WVUFAN]

honestly Doom yes, I would prefer that you do explain everything. it can only help you if you are innocent.

While you ... ahem ... SIT there in your little chair and dare to accuse Doom, why should we trust you, the very person Apocalypse would want to convert?

[WVUFAN]

Excellent, Daredevil.

JOIN DAREDEVIL.

FORM TEAM -- DOOM LEADS THE BLIND

[Poli]

I'm going to let that one go, Doom, because I trust you are telling the truth.

DD

[hoopsguy]

Quick question on this team - is it an extension of Doom's old team, which still contained Juggernaut (but rebranded)? Or did Doom leave Juggs to form an exclusive two man team with Daredevil?

[WVUFAN]

I'm going to let that one go, Doom, because I trust you are telling the truth.

DD

You are right, Daredevil. How .. inconsiderate I was of your condition. Allow Doom to rectify by changing the name.

CHANGE TEAM NAME -- DOOM AND HIS HANDICAPABLE LACKEY

[WVUFAN]

Quick question on this team - is it an extension of Doom's old team, which still contained Juggernaut (but rebranded)? Or did Doom leave Juggs to form an exclusive two man team with Daredevil?

{ooc} Technically, I never joined Juggernaut, but that was due to just stupidity on my part than anything intentional. I'm joining Juggy now, so it should be a 3 member team.

[Poli]

?. I don't know. I guess I was thinking Doom was on his own. Kind of the there ain't enough room in here for you, me, and my ego...so you're going to have to leave type thing.

DD

[WVUFAN]

(Doom)
JOIN JUGGERNAUT

TEAM NAME -- Convenient Allies

[Poli]

You are right, Daredevil. How .. inconsiderate I was of your condition. Allow Doom to rectify by changing the name.

CHANGE TEAM NAME -- DOOM AND HIS HANDICAPABLE LACKEY
Your humor has no bounds. Actually, you have no humor.

DD

[Blade6119]

That was funny as hell wvu, bravo

[DaddyTorgo]

While you ... ahem ... SIT there in your little chair and dare to accuse Doom, why should we trust you, the very person Apocalypse would want to convert?

(X)
The case for trusting me has been laid out countless times already Doom. In fact I have gone over it specifically with you earlier.

(ooc) i've been up a hella long time and i'm running mostly on fumes right now. i know i've talked about it a bunch earlier in the thread, i have no intention of rehashing it right now, but i certainly will if it becomes an issue (/ooc)

[Poli]

I know this will sound horrible, but I have to keep going back and try to figure out who some of the people are.

DD

[Swaggs]

That was funny as hell wvu, bravo

WVU and Schmidty deserve a lot of credit for making this such a fun game. :)

[Poli]

Something I thought of while reading:

Would anyone believe there to be a way to compel a vote? Such as a '
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Attack DD


and that being the entire post?

DD

[Poli]

I'm just glad I wasn't drinking anything during this past exchange. It's hard enough to drink blind, but blind, laughing, and drinking are not something that go together well.

DD

[Alan T]

I spent some time putting together an action report card. This is obviously purely subjective and I did it for my own benefit, but I figured I would share it with others to create additional conversation.

I rewarded points as such:
1 point - day1 vote on Ironman, extra day1 damage to Ironman, day2 vote on Mystique, extra day2 damage to mystique, nonvoter day1, nonvoter day2

.5 point - attack on doom, possible diversion from Hawkeye, day1 damage to mystique

-.5 point - day1 cannonballvoter, late day2 vote on Hawkeye

1 point for Mystique, Ironman actions on days of their death as they were a revealed good guy now.

.5 points for votes on Doom or those directing the attack away from Hawkeye as neither are revealed and their true affiliation is unknown at this time (subjective on my behalf)

Gave back a -.5 for people voting Cannonball enmasse day1 (instead of putting the hammer on ironman) gave back a -.5 for voters who chose Hawkeye late on day 2 when it could have possibly saved Mystique.

(3)
Hawkeye, Cpt.America

(2.5)
Cpt.Marvel

(2)
Magneto, Storm, Spiderman, Deadpool

(1.5)
Hulk, Moon Knight, Daredevil

(1)
Warpath, Cpt.Britian, Venom, Mr.Sinister

(.5)
ProfessorX, Gambit, Wolverine, Mandarin, Mathematic, Cannonball

(----)
Dr.Doom

(-.5)
Silver Surfer, Juggernaut



I have a few people bolded because they are the ones of most interest to me..

Hawkeye - Was worst record after day 1, one of the reasons I voted for him on day2. Still has worst record and still no one really vouching for him. His death might or might not tell us alot about others in the game.

Marvel - Only person to be in on the attack to kill off both of our missing 12 so far.

Spiderman - Pushed his team to look at Hawkeye yesterday, but then didn't attack him. His attack on Hawkeye -would- have saved Mystique yesterday.

Deadpool - I backed him a little bit saying we should give him time to get back into the swing of the hero thing before people look to be rid of him. Now part of me wonders if I should have. His attack on Doom still seems quite inexplanable to me, and moreso he went out of his way to try to get others to go after Doom at a time where it looked like a way to pull attention away from Hawkeye.

Doom - As I said earlier, unless someone says otherwise or gives a reasonably explainable alternative possibility I'll believe him that he was attacked.

Silver Surfer - Having a bad attack record is normal. As we see most of us have made more bad moves than good so far. Those who have the most ability to avoid bad news are those who know where not to make the moves. I fully expect one of the horsemen to be sitting back and letting us make all of the bad moves for them. Since at the start we had an 80% chance of getting a fellow good guy and a 50% chance of hitting one of the 12, they really don't have to push too hard. Silver Surfer was one of the people I felt coming in that I would have thought an ideal choice for Apocolypse and the fact he's made the moves that he has makes me even more concerned.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

(X)
The case for trusting me has been laid out countless times already Doom. In fact I have gone over it specifically with you earlier.

(ooc) i've been up a hella long time and i'm running mostly on fumes right now. i know i've talked about it a bunch earlier in the thread, i have no intention of rehashing it right now, but i certainly will if it becomes an issue (/ooc)

I think you should go over it again, because right now you're not looking real good to me.

I was explicitly NOT one to lead the charge against Mystique.

Really? I seem to remember things differently.

I think Mystique or Hawkeye are both good choices for targets, although we would need at least one more person were we to choose to target Mystique I believe, as my (1) damage isn't going to hurt a great deal.

(X)
Captain Marvel has offered herself as well as possibly members of her team. I wonder if Cannonball might participate, or our big cuddly green friend?

(X)

Ladies and Gentlemen?? How does that sound?

Looks to me like you were leading the charge against Mystique yesterday. And then you come out with this right after the lynch, trying to cover your tracks.

This line of reasoning is clearly not working. I suggest we look less at those who have been out-front and look closer at those who have been ringing up the rear my friends.

So, please, tell me again why we should trust you?

SPIDER-MAN

[Poli]

Why didn't you attack, spidey?

DD

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Spiderman - Pushed his team to look at Hawkeye yesterday, but then didn't attack him. His attack on Hawkeye -would- have saved Mystique yesterday.

I pushed them to look, not attack. I still think he's a viable candidate, and I think he does have to die so we can see if there was a shift off him or not.

As for Mystique, I didn't think she was evil and if I had known that I could have saved her, I would have. I was under the impression that both Hawkeye and Mystique were going to die and my little 1 pt. of damage wouldn't alter things. Under those circumstances, not attacking and not using any energy made sense.

SPIDER-MAN

[DaddyTorgo]

I think you should go over it again, because right now you're not looking real good to me.

selective quoting much Spidey? Captain America was the one who suggested Mystique after I had publicly stated that I was wrestling with myself trying to figure out who to vote for. As I know I have said, I voted with the Captain largely out of solidarity.

And yes, Mystique had raised questions with me, that I freely admit. And I was wrong, I freely admit that too. However at heart this is still a game of WW, and Day 2 votes are very often almost equally as un/mis-formed as Day 1 votes.

However when Captain America and I did decide to attack Mystique, knowing that she would retaliate the next day with deadly furor had she survived, I determined that we needed to gather a sufficient enough coalition to make sure that wouldn't happen, because the side of good needs my power.

Notice too, how I gathered a broad group of people to vote for Mystique, indicating both that there was widespread suspiscion surrounding her, but also providing us with significant data to analyze in terms of attack records.

[DaddyTorgo]

I doubt you're going to find much of a coalition willing to attack me Spidey, but if you want to, go ahead and try. That will simply give the survivors an excellent place to start looking for the Horsemen and Apocalypse, as they are the ones with something to gain from my death.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Notice too, how I gathered a broad group of people to vote for Mystique, indicating both that there was widespread suspiscion surrounding her, but also providing us with significant data to analyze in terms of attack records.

Are you admitting that you did lead the charge against Mystique?

SPIDER-MAN

[DaddyTorgo]

triple-ww dola

and spidey, does the last quote from me in your post scare you because it casts eyes in your direction?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I doubt you're going to find much of a coalition willing to attack me Spidey, but if you want to, go ahead and try. That will simply give the survivors an excellent place to start looking for the Horsemen and Apocalypse, as they are the ones with something to gain from my death.

You misread my intentions, Professor. I'm merely asking to be reminded why we should trust you. You say that it's been stated already, I would like to see it again.

SPIDER-MAN

[Blade6119]

Spidey, i lead the charge...i was the one who started the whole mystique is my top suspect thing, and im the one who encouraged captain america to see if he could get support for a vote on her. If you want to blame someone, blame me

[DaddyTorgo]

i led the DISCUSSION. i was certainly not the first to vote for her. but someone had to lead the discussion, and for better or worse, people seem to be looking to me, as if the ability of my character rubs off on the player, which it certainly doesn't.

i'm not THAT good at this yet guys. particularly playing on the side of good. I've had plenty of practice playing evil lately, but not so much good, so my good-play is lagging. Just look at the Bond game and how I screwed the pooch with the seer role there.

[DaddyTorgo]

(X)

Moon Knight, does this conversation make you look at Spidey anymore closely?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

triple-ww dola

and spidey, does the last quote from me in your post scare you because it casts eyes in your direction?

I knew yesterday that my actions would put me in a tight place. This is nothing I didn't expect. I have my reasons for doing what I do. I hope someone with your intellect can understand why.

SPIDER-MAN

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Spidey, i lead the charge...i was the one who started the whole mystique is my top suspect thing, and im the one who encouraged captain america to see if he could get support for a vote on her. If you want to blame someone, blame me

Don't worry. You're high up on my "Don't Trust" list.

SPIDER-MAN

[Blade6119]

(X)

Moon Knight, does this conversation make you look at Spidey anymore closely?

I dont know...it would, but your one of the most trusted players around...when your evil you pick off the weak links, not the strong ones. Leave those for the night. So while him attacking someone i trust is not what i would call a good thing for his trust, its not as bad as it could be.

[Poli]

Or me. I had the final whack. :(

DD

[DaddyTorgo]

I dont know...it would, but your one of the most trusted players around...when your evil you pick off the weak links, not the strong ones. Leave those for the night. So while him attacking someone i trust is not what i would call a good thing for his trust, its not as bad as it could be.

interesting point. you're such a fountain of WW-wisdom

[Jonathan Ezarik]

i led the DISCUSSION. i was certainly not the first to vote for her. but someone had to lead the discussion, and for better or worse, people seem to be looking to me, as if the ability of my character rubs off on the player, which it certainly doesn't.

i'm not THAT good at this yet guys. particularly playing on the side of good. I've had plenty of practice playing evil lately, but not so much good, so my good-play is lagging. Just look at the Bond game and how I screwed the pooch with the seer role there.

Yes, you lead the discussion the resulted in the lynch of one of the 12. This doesn't necessarily put you in the Horseman column, but denying that you led the charge was a lie. (And I don't care what order you attacked. You were one of the leaders of the movement.)

SPIDER-MAN

[DaddyTorgo]

it's okay daredevil. we were all operating under the assumption we had evil in our grasp.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

it's okay daredevil. we were all operating under the assumption we had evil in our grasp.

You're willing to vouch for everyone that attacked Mystique?

SPIDER-MAN

[DaddyTorgo]

Yes, you lead the discussion the resulted in the lynch of one of the 12. This doesn't necessarily put you in the Horseman column, but denying that you led the charge was a lie. (And I don't care what order you attacked. You were one of the leaders of the movement.)

SPIDER-MAN

blame it on a lack of sleep, or 32 pages of posts, or i don't know what. i know i'm working for the side of good. and i know others believe that.

(ooc) sorry, RL-drama is coloring my mood (/ooc)

[Abe Sargent]

I spent some time putting together an action report card. This is obviously purely subjective and I did it for my own benefit, but I figured I would share it with others to create additional conversation.

I rewarded points as such:
1 point - day1 vote on Ironman, extra day1 damage to Ironman, day2 vote on Mystique, extra day2 damage to mystique, nonvoter day1, nonvoter day2

.5 point - attack on doom, possible diversion from Hawkeye, day1 damage to mystique

-.5 point - day1 cannonballvoter, late day2 vote on Hawkeye

1 point for Mystique, Ironman actions on days of their death as they were a revealed good guy now.

.5 points for votes on Doom or those directing the attack away from Hawkeye as neither are revealed and their true affiliation is unknown at this time (subjective on my behalf)

Gave back a -.5 for people voting Cannonball enmasse day1 (instead of putting the hammer on ironman) gave back a -.5 for voters who chose Hawkeye late on day 2 when it could have possibly saved Mystique.

(3)
Hawkeye, Cpt.America

(2.5)
Cpt.Marvel

(2)
Magneto, Storm, Spiderman, Deadpool

(1.5)
Hulk, Moon Knight, Daredevil

(1)
Warpath, Cpt.Britian, Venom, Mr.Sinister

(.5)
ProfessorX, Gambit, Wolverine, Mandarin, Mathematic, Cannonball

(----)
Dr.Doom

(-.5)
Silver Surfer, Juggernaut



I have a few people bolded because they are the ones of most interest to me..

Hawkeye - Was worst record after day 1, one of the reasons I voted for him on day2. Still has worst record and still no one really vouching for him. His death might or might not tell us alot about others in the game.

Marvel - Only person to be in on the attack to kill off both of our missing 12 so far.

Spiderman - Pushed his team to look at Hawkeye yesterday, but then didn't attack him. His attack on Hawkeye -would- have saved Mystique yesterday.

Deadpool - I backed him a little bit saying we should give him time to get back into the swing of the hero thing before people look to be rid of him. Now part of me wonders if I should have. His attack on Doom still seems quite inexplanable to me, and moreso he went out of his way to try to get others to go after Doom at a time where it looked like a way to pull attention away from Hawkeye.

Doom - As I said earlier, unless someone says otherwise or gives a reasonably explainable alternative possibility I'll believe him that he was attacked.

Silver Surfer - Having a bad attack record is normal. As we see most of us have made more bad moves than good so far. Those who have the most ability to avoid bad news are those who know where not to make the moves. I fully expect one of the horsemen to be sitting back and letting us make all of the bad moves for them. Since at the start we had an 80% chance of getting a fellow good guy and a 50% chance of hitting one of the 12, they really don't have to push too hard. Silver Surfer was one of the people I felt coming in that I would have thought an ideal choice for Apocolypse and the fact he's made the moves that he has makes me even more concerned.




Abe - Your system punishes me for having connectivity issues yerterday? You can't seriously call that a real system to smoke out badddies if that's the case.

Hawk - Is the fact that you targetted me because I used an acid arrow instead of a "quote" normal attack? Is that the bee in your bonnet? I have a whole quiver of special arrows designed for a large number of situations, every one is special dear. Don't make assumptions about me from your own limited scope.

[DaddyTorgo]

You're willing to vouch for everyone that attacked Mystique?

SPIDER-MAN

*sigh*. it's an expression. i'm certainly not willing to vouch for them all.

everyone knows who i vouch for and to what degree. that hasn't changed since that long-winded post i made earlier, although blade has inched himself up a notch or three.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

i know i'm working for the side of good. and i know others believe that.

That's what I'm asking for. Who is vouching for you and why should we believe them? This doesn't need to be done right now, but I would like to know why I should trust you at some time in the near future.

SPIDER-MAN

[Poli]

...

DD

[Blade6119]

...

DD

Hello good friend, how are you?

[DaddyTorgo]

That's what I'm asking for. Who is vouching for you and why should we believe them? This doesn't need to be done right now, but I would like to know why I should trust you at some time in the near future.

SPIDER-MAN

i am going to let them answer that, as i won't presume to answer for them.

[Poli]

Hello good friend, how are you?

Just establishing who I trust and don't trust, is all. I'm not sure I'm enjoying everything I'm seeing.

DD

[Blade6119]

That's what I'm asking for. Who is vouching for you and why should we believe them? This doesn't need to be done right now, but I would like to know why I should trust you at some time in the near future.

SPIDER-MAN

Im vouching for DT, and you shouldnt believe me becuase i havent told you why yet. And i maybe be mistaken on one or two of these, but i think wolverine, captain america, captain britain, and mr. sinister have all said they trust him as well.

[Blade6119]

Just establishing who I trust and don't trust, is all. I'm not sure I'm enjoying everything I'm seeing.

DD

I meant you actually, not your in game persona...but if you bring it up, is there anything i can discuss with you about the game? Ive got time now, and wont be around tonight

[Poli]

I meant you actually, not your in game persona...but if you bring it up, is there anything i can discuss with you about the game? Ive got time now, and wont be around tonight


Well, the stuff I noticed I quoted earlier. The main thing I didn't like was Spidey's talk of attacking Hawkeye, and then not attacking at all.

I also don't like how everyone doesn't seem to own up to how much damage they inflicted. I'm sure there is a need for secrecy to protect your clout and all, but I'd bet we could figure out who the bad guys are somehow that way.

I don't know how, per say, but it seems like our math gurus can figure out ways to nail the bad guys that way. Seems like we had a game like that before.

DD

[Blade6119]

Well, the stuff I noticed I quoted earlier. The main thing I didn't like was Spidey's talk of attacking Hawkeye, and then not attacking at all.

I also don't like how everyone doesn't seem to own up to how much damage they inflicted. I'm sure there is a need for secrecy to protect your clout and all, but I'd bet we could figure out who the bad guys are somehow that way.

I don't know how, per say, but it seems like our math gurus can figure out ways to nail the bad guys that way. Seems like we had a game like that before.

DD
Spidey: Hes certainly acting odd, and will likely get a few attacks tomorrow. The question becomes who are we going to attack before him. I think ill be on someone like captain marvel, but spiderman is certainly going to be a choice with his actions.

Math:Its tough, because of two things...one, sabotage is a choice. They dont have to, and likely wont if attacking a twelve. But we wont know if they do sabotage missions. Second, we dont want to give away how much each of our powers do, becuase then evil will know just how much they have or need to kill a 12 or to stay alive themselves. Its a little aggravating, but knowledge helps them just as much as it helps us.

[Poli]

I don't know, seems like it could help us in the long run.

DD

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Spidey: Hes certainly acting odd, and will likely get a few attacks tomorrow. The question becomes who are we going to attack before him. I think ill be on someone like captain marvel, but spiderman is certainly going to be a choice with his actions.

Yes, I assume I will. I'm one of the weakest members by far, and as you said, the Horsemen will go after the weakest during the day and leave the strong members for night kills, so I fully expect to be attacked during the day. I assure you, though, that I am a poor choice.

SPIDER-MAN

[Poli]

OOC-----------------

Ironically, I'm watching the show, Heroes, and trying to catch up before the new episode.

I heard from a number of people while I was in Africa that it was great.

They were right.

AE

[Alan T]

Abe - Your system punishes me for having connectivity issues yerterday? You can't seriously call that a real system to smoke out badddies if that's the case.

Hawk - Is the fact that you targetted me because I used an acid arrow instead of a "quote" normal attack? Is that the bee in your bonnet? I have a whole quiver of special arrows designed for a large number of situations, every one is special dear. Don't make assumptions about me from your own limited scope.


I already addressed both of these points yesterday. Just as I said yesterday I had a few people I was uneasy with, some of which addressed my concerns and I lowered them down my suspect list a tad. Others (yourself included) chose not to and instead just attacked back. You wern't even my #1 target going into yesterday, but your responses made me decide to go with you.

I find it very uneasy how people moved the attack off of you in order to kill one of the twelve yesterday. Everyone has all of these ways to develop trust of everyone else except me it seems. Right now I don't know which of you are with Apocolypse just as I don't know who was responsible for killing my clan.

Anyways you'll see my point system doesnt mean to me most points = most suspicious. I even stated that. Its just something I use to help find interesting things about people. The person I think looks worst in my point system is Silver Surfer.

[LoneStarGirl]

Alant, how do i have 2.5 points instead of 2?

[LoneStarGirl]

Just for the record I trust Captain America, and if he trusts Professor X, then so do I.

I think we need to look at the 'quieter' players. Quiet can be lack of posts and also people who don't post anything really important that often.

I could be wrong, and I am not trying to start a fight with any of y'all, but

Juggernaut,
Deadpool,
Mr. Sinister,
Captain Britian
Mathemaniac
Gambit (work, i know)
Venom

all 7 seem to be out of the spotlight and in the shadows throughout the last two days. In the past when I have been evil I have tried to stay out of the limelight just enough to avoid suspicion, seems like the game some of these guys are playing

[Raiders Army]

You are right, Daredevil. How .. inconsiderate I was of your condition. Allow Doom to rectify by changing the name.

CHANGE TEAM NAME -- DOOM AND HIS HANDICAPABLE LACKEY

*Deadpool*

Very nice, but I would've prefered Doom and the Only Guy Who Can Be Around Him With His Mask Off.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Just for the record I trust Captain America, and if he trusts Professor X, then so do I.

Any reason for the trust of Captain America?

SPIDER-MAN

[ntndeacon]

I spent some time putting together an action report card. This is obviously purely subjective and I did it for my own benefit, but I figured I would share it with others to create additional conversation.

I rewarded points as such:
1 point - day1 vote on Ironman, extra day1 damage to Ironman, day2 vote on Mystique, extra day2 damage to mystique, nonvoter day1, nonvoter day2

.5 point - attack on doom, possible diversion from Hawkeye, day1 damage to mystique

-.5 point - day1 cannonballvoter, late day2 vote on Hawkeye

1 point for Mystique, Ironman actions on days of their death as they were a revealed good guy now.

.5 points for votes on Doom or those directing the attack away from Hawkeye as neither are revealed and their true affiliation is unknown at this time (subjective on my behalf)

Gave back a -.5 for people voting Cannonball enmasse day1 (instead of putting the hammer on ironman) gave back a -.5 for voters who chose Hawkeye late on day 2 when it could have possibly saved Mystique.

(3)
Hawkeye, Cpt.America

(2.5)
Cpt.Marvel

(2)
Magneto, Storm, Spiderman, Deadpool

(1.5)
Hulk, Moon Knight, Daredevil

(1)
Warpath, Cpt.Britian, Venom, Mr.Sinister

(.5)
ProfessorX, Gambit, Wolverine, Mandarin, Mathematic, Cannonball

(----)
Dr.Doom

(-.5)
Silver Surfer, Juggernaut



I have a few people bolded because they are the ones of most interest to me..

Hawkeye - Was worst record after day 1, one of the reasons I voted for him on day2. Still has worst record and still no one really vouching for him. His death might or might not tell us alot about others in the game.

Marvel - Only person to be in on the attack to kill off both of our missing 12 so far.

Spiderman - Pushed his team to look at Hawkeye yesterday, but then didn't attack him. His attack on Hawkeye -would- have saved Mystique yesterday.

Deadpool - I backed him a little bit saying we should give him time to get back into the swing of the hero thing before people look to be rid of him. Now part of me wonders if I should have. His attack on Doom still seems quite inexplanable to me, and moreso he went out of his way to try to get others to go after Doom at a time where it looked like a way to pull attention away from Hawkeye.

Doom - As I said earlier, unless someone says otherwise or gives a reasonably explainable alternative possibility I'll believe him that he was attacked.

Silver Surfer - Having a bad attack record is normal. As we see most of us have made more bad moves than good so far. Those who have the most ability to avoid bad news are those who know where not to make the moves. I fully expect one of the horsemen to be sitting back and letting us make all of the bad moves for them. Since at the start we had an 80% chance of getting a fellow good guy and a 50% chance of hitting one of the 12, they really don't have to push too hard. Silver Surfer was one of the people I felt coming in that I would have thought an ideal choice for Apocolypse and the fact he's made the moves that he has makes me even more concerned.

(Mandarin)
A couple of comments.
On your Spiderman comments you claim that an attack from him would have killed Hawkeye aand spared Mystique. However, I was under the impression that though it would have killed Hawkeye it would have not saved Mystique. Did she not have double her health in attacks during the course of the day?

Secondly I wanted to admit to giving extra damage to Hawkeye. that will help to make your chart more accurate. and help find missing damage on him.

[Raiders Army]

Just for the record I trust Captain America, and if he trusts Professor X, then so do I.

I think we need to look at the 'quieter' players. Quiet can be lack of posts and also people who don't post anything really important that often.

I could be wrong, and I am not trying to start a fight with any of y'all, but

Juggernaut,
Deadpool,
Mr. Sinister,
Captain Britian
Mathemaniac
Gambit (work, i know)
Venom

all 7 seem to be out of the spotlight and in the shadows throughout the last two days. In the past when I have been evil I have tried to stay out of the limelight just enough to avoid suspicion, seems like the game some of these guys are playing

*Deadpool*

For the record, cassette, CD, and downloadable content, I don't believe I've stayed in the shadows.

[Raiders Army]

Deadpool - I backed him a little bit saying we should give him time to get back into the swing of the hero thing before people look to be rid of him. Now part of me wonders if I should have. His attack on Doom still seems quite inexplanable to me, and moreso he went out of his way to try to get others to go after Doom at a time where it looked like a way to pull attention away from Hawkeye.

*Deadpool*

Try staying away from the peyote and firewater kemosabe. I already explained why I went after Doom and I antagonized wolvie to go after Doom.

Sheesh. It was all in character! I backed up my fellow Weapon X-er and I felt as if Wolverine wouldn't back down. Now, a second-rate Thunderbird might back down from a fight... ;)

[Alan T]

Alant, how do i have 2.5 points instead of 2?


I had you down as one of the people who voted for Mystique, voted for Ironman, and had you listed as one of the ones who pushed the vote away from Hawkeye.

Obviously in my eyes if Hawkeye ends up good, anyone who falls in that last category shouldn't be penalized. With so much unknown about Hawkeye though right now, I'm just not sure what to think right now of everyone who deflected attention from Hawkeye to one of the 12 yesterday.

[Alan T]

(Mandarin)
A couple of comments.
On your Spiderman comments you claim that an attack from him would have killed Hawkeye aand spared Mystique. However, I was under the impression that though it would have killed Hawkeye it would have not saved Mystique. Did she not have double her health in attacks during the course of the day?

Secondly I wanted to admit to giving extra damage to Hawkeye. that will help to make your chart more accurate. and help find missing damage on him.

Perhaps it wouldn't have saved her if she had taken enough damage after all. You probably are right about that. Still its coming off to me as a pretty sly play. If Hawkeye dies somehow and ends up bad, he says he posted his supsicion of him before most of the others.

[Schmidty]

(Wolverine)

This is why I say we have to go after the Hulk.

Again, he is the prefect Apoc because he can hide behind his hulk-speak. Hulk is UTR even when he is right out in the open.

The "5" have been very clever so far. Not a single hair out of place and 2 of us down.

Somebody give me their reasons whey they think Hulk is a bad target? I remember being talked out of this earlier. I may need to revisit those conversations to see if those same people then turned on mystique (Satan rest her soul).

Hulk wanted to smash me for naming him earlier and yet he didn't. Odd

I still have a hunch that Doom faked his own attack on Night 1 to give him some maneuvering room. Look at all the people that are looking right over him now. I see people giving doom a pass since they think he narrowly avoided the first evil night lynching. Don't be blind.

My next attack is going to be Doom or Hulk. If I'm killed off tonight, look at these two.

ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!

IF SMELLY MIDGET ALIVE TOMORROW, HULK WILL DESTROY!!!!!!!!!

[Poli]

No one likes you when you're angry.

DD

[WVUFAN]

*Deadpool*

For the record, cassette, CD, and downloadable content, I don't believe I've stayed in the shadows.

BAH! You live in the shadows, worm. You have not the courage to stand and fight face to face. You must strike from behind, as you did to Doom.

Yet here Doom stands, unfazed by your pitiful attempt. Yet Doom stands.

[WVUFAN]

ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!

IF SMELLY MIDGET ALIVE TOMORROW, HULK WILL DESTROY!!!!!!!!!

You are wise beyond your years, Hulk, but might Doom advise ... AGAINST attacking the smelly midget.

Truth be told, aside from his cowardly attack upon the visage of Doom, which was ineffective, he has not done anything to warrent this.

If Doom were to guess, Doom believes Wolverine to be under control by a psychic, who is manipulating his limited intellect. Nah, I would look at Professor X, as he is the one in the shadows, accusing everyone, but yet has only attacked those who have been revealed to be innocent.

Much like Apocalypse, weaving into the shadows, letting others do his work for him, so does Xavier. While, of course, there is no proof, I am highly suspicious.

[Grammaticus]

We have to do double damage to the 2nd lynchee. We obviously didnt do that to hawkeye, though i have no doubt we took him down below 0. I was saying if it was reversed, and hawkeye was the top lynchee(he would have won the tie-breaker) he would have died for going to 0, and mystique, still wounded badly from yesterday, would have been extremely easy to take to double health. Part of the reason i have to assume all of those late attacks on mystique were in some mannor to save hawkeye, though i still trust him more then most

Okay, that makes sense. I was thinking we had to double the current health to kill anyone.

[DaddyTorgo]

You are wise beyond your years, Hulk, but might Doom advise ... AGAINST attacking the smelly midget.

Truth be told, aside from his cowardly attack upon the visage of Doom, which was ineffective, he has not done anything to warrent this.

If Doom were to guess, Doom believes Wolverine to be under control by a psychic, who is manipulating his limited intellect. Nah, I would look at Professor X, as he is the one in the shadows, accusing everyone, but yet has only attacked those who have been revealed to be innocent.

Much like Apocalypse, weaving into the shadows, letting others do his work for him, so does Xavier. While, of course, there is no proof, I am highly suspicious.

this saddens me very much Doom. i had begun to believe that we were both acting for good, yet now your accusation of me causes me to wonder if that is indeed the case.

there are others who have only attacked the innocent and are less vouched-for than myself I am sure.

I could see your argument for Wolverine being under control by a psychic, but if it is true, it's not me. I do not possess that type of power in this environment.

[Abe Sargent]

I already addressed both of these points yesterday. Just as I said yesterday I had a few people I was uneasy with, some of which addressed my concerns and I lowered them down my suspect list a tad. Others (yourself included) chose not to and instead just attacked back. You wern't even my #1 target going into yesterday, but your responses made me decide to go with you.

I find it very uneasy how people moved the attack off of you in order to kill one of the twelve yesterday. Everyone has all of these ways to develop trust of everyone else except me it seems. Right now I don't know which of you are with Apocolypse just as I don't know who was responsible for killing my clan.

Anyways you'll see my point system doesnt mean to me most points = most suspicious. I even stated that. Its just something I use to help find interesting things about people. The person I think looks worst in my point system is Silver Surfer.


When you have conn issues, and every twelve times or so you hit refresh only once will it come up, and then again to hit a reply, you have to choose your statements well. All I could do was play a tiny amount of defense, buit I have been very open. I was the first in the game to post how much damage I did to IM , for example, in order to help us figure out what's going on.

I had to read virtaully all of yesterday's posts in a row so I adoubt I remember everything said like I would normally.


And, with my low health, I'm still playing defense. Not really much else i can do at this point.

-Anxiety

[WVUFAN]

this saddens me very much Doom. i had begun to believe that we were both acting for good, yet now your accusation of me causes me to wonder if that is indeed the case.

there are others who have only attacked the innocent and are less vouched-for than myself I am sure.

I could see your argument for Wolverine being under control by a psychic, but if it is true, it's not me. I do not possess that type of power in this environment.

No, you are right -- Doom happens to believe others are guilty as well, such as Moon Knight, but until another comes forward as having psychic abilities, you are the only one to accuse.

I do believe Wolverine is or was under control.

[Poli]

Something I thought of while reading:

Would anyone believe there to be a way to compel a vote? Such as a '
[/color]

and that being the entire post?

DD

I'm guessing tomorrow's project will be to scour the posts and see if I find a post resembling this.

[DaddyTorgo]

No, you are right -- Doom happens to believe others are guilty as well, such as Moon Knight, but until another comes forward as having psychic abilities, you are the only one to accuse.

I do believe Wolverine is or was under control.

(ooc) don't forget hoops said that abilities won't always match up to comic-powers. so for instance...venom could have psychic powers. (/ooc)

I also believe that Wolverine was under control. Maybe we can find out this way.

Wolverine, if you were not under control of another power the other night then you should be planning on attacking Doom again and trying to finish the job, no?

[ntndeacon]

You are wise beyond your years, Hulk, but might Doom advise ... AGAINST attacking the smelly midget.

Truth be told, aside from his cowardly attack upon the visage of Doom, which was ineffective, he has not done anything to warrent this.

If Doom were to guess, Doom believes Wolverine to be under control by a psychic, who is manipulating his limited intellect. Nah, I would look at Professor X, as he is the one in the shadows, accusing everyone, but yet has only attacked those who have been revealed to be innocent.

Much like Apocalypse, weaving into the shadows, letting others do his work for him, so does Xavier. While, of course, there is no proof, I am highly suspicious.

(Mandarin)
You Haughty Loquacious European! Do you talk to hear yourself? Several in our midst have used their powers (I assume) and determined his innocence. If not their special abilities, at least their powers of observation. I believe you are letting your likenesses start to have their own thought. Clearly this type of thinking is not coming out of the "great genius Doom." the only thing worthwhile you said in your entire rant was that my good friend the hulk should not attack the clearly misguided Wolverine.

[DaddyTorgo]

(X)

I intend not for Wolverine to initiate another attack on Doom, but rather for him to answer the question honestly and take no action. If he was being controlled then he would answer no to the question, or hem and haw. If he was not being controlled then he should say yes.

[LoneStarGirl]

I had you down as one of the people who voted for Mystique, voted for Ironman, and had you listed as one of the ones who pushed the vote away from Hawkeye.

Obviously in my eyes if Hawkeye ends up good, anyone who falls in that last category shouldn't be penalized. With so much unknown about Hawkeye though right now, I'm just not sure what to think right now of everyone who deflected attention from Hawkeye to one of the 12 yesterday.

Well the way things are going, it looks like the same people will push for Hawkeye tomorrow and he will probably die. If he is bad, then I made a mistake, another one, but I dont think he is a horseman. He has had too shitty of connection to really play a good role of a bad guy, plus Hawkeye isn't the type of character I would pick as Apocolypse. Maybe we should focus our attention on the people pushing for Hawkeye, not pushing away from him.

[WVUFAN]

(Mandarin)
You Haughty Loquacious European! Do you talk to hear yourself? Several in our midst have used their powers (I assume) and determined his innocence. If not their special abilities, at least their powers of observation. I believe you are letting your likenesses start to have their own thought. Clearly this type of thinking is not coming out of the "great genius Doom." the only thing worthwhile you said in your entire rant was that my good friend the hulk should not attack the clearly misguided Wolverine.

How ... DARE YOU SPEAK TO DOOM IN THAT MANNER?!!?!?!

Know your place, you epitome of asian arrogance!! You "assume"? None of what you assume has been verified!!! If Xavier is evil, he very well could be protecting a lackey!

If you wish to blindly trust, then so be it. Doom will do no such thing.

[Abe Sargent]

I wanna wait until we see what happens overnight, and then, let's reassess what's going on. Too often I've seen groups of people going after each other while the bad guys sit and observe.

No more will I talk about how I was absent for most of the day yesterday. Either remember it or don't at your leisure.

I'd like to move on, and explore other options. There were others who made mysterious moves yesterday that had nothing to do with me. For example, the people who attacked vicky yesterday after vicky claimed to have been attacked durign the night, a claim no one refuted.

Why attack vicky when there is a good chance he's perfectly innocent?

-Hawkeye

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Truth be told, aside from his cowardly attack upon the visage of Doom, which was ineffective, he has not done anything to warrent this.

If Doom were to guess, Doom believes Wolverine to be under control by a psychic, who is manipulating his limited intellect.

I don't understand this. You don't think Wolverine has done anything to warrant an attack, yet you practically goaded him into attacking you yesterday by announcing you were going to attack him?

All this talk of Wolverine being controlled is pure bunk. If he's being controlled, it's out in the open with people using Wolverine's strong personality against him. Dr. Doom egged him into attacking as did Deadpool. I don't buy the possibility that someone is pulling Wolverine's strings behind the scenes.

SPIDER-MAN

[Poli]

I don't understand this. You don't think Wolverine has done anything to warrant an attack, yet you practically goaded him into attacking you yesterday by announcing you were going to attack him?

All this talk of Wolverine being controlled is pure bunk. If he's being controlled, it's out in the open with people using Wolverine's strong personality against him. Dr. Doom egged him into attacking as did Deadpool. I don't buy the possibility that someone is pulling Wolverine's strings behind the scenes.

SPIDER-MAN

Maybe not Wolvie, but maybe someone else?

Or perhaps, thinking this through, perhaps someone was withheld from attacking.

DD

[Poli]

For that matter, maybe someone was withheld from posting or anything at all.

DD

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Maybe not Wolvie, but maybe someone else?

Or perhaps, thinking this through, perhaps someone was withheld from attacking.

DD

I don't doubt the possibility that it can occur in this game. In fact, I would be surprised if someone doesn't have this type of ability.

SPIDER-MAN

[Alan T]

Well the way things are going, it looks like the same people will push for Hawkeye tomorrow and he will probably die. If he is bad, then I made a mistake, another one, but I dont think he is a horseman. He has had too shitty of connection to really play a good role of a bad guy, plus Hawkeye isn't the type of character I would pick as Apocolypse. Maybe we should focus our attention on the people pushing for Hawkeye, not pushing away from him.

I will feel alot better about Cpt. Marvel if Hawkeye ends up being good.

[ntndeacon]

I don't understand this. You don't think Wolverine has done anything to warrant an attack, yet you practically goaded him into attacking you yesterday by announcing you were going to attack him?

All this talk of Wolverine being controlled is pure bunk. If he's being controlled, it's out in the open with people using Wolverine's strong personality against him. Dr. Doom egged him into attacking as did Deadpool. I don't buy the possibility that someone is pulling Wolverine's strings behind the scenes.

SPIDER-MAN

(Mandarin)

Precisely, Webcrawler. and plus if, on the off chance that anyone was controlling him, it certaintly would not one of the more trusted of those assembled. How many more must vouch for him before it is believed?

[LoneStarGirl]

I will feel alot better about Cpt. Marvel if Hawkeye ends up being good.

I would hate to have one of my teamates killed off just to clear my name

[GoldenEagle]

JOIN TEAM Convenient Allies

Perhaps we should rename it Circle of Trust?

[Alan T]

I would hate to have one of my teamates killed off just to clear my name

Is that how you felt when you helped kill off two of my team mates? (Mystique, Ironman)

[Raiders Army]

BAH! You live in the shadows, worm. You have not the courage to stand and fight face to face. You must strike from behind, as you did to Doom.

Yet here Doom stands, unfazed by your pitiful attempt. Yet Doom stands.

*Deadpool*

I thought you liked it from behind?

[Raiders Army]

No, you are right -- Doom happens to believe others are guilty as well, such as Moon Knight, but until another comes forward as having psychic abilities, you are the only one to accuse.

I do believe Wolverine is or was under control.

(ooc) don't forget hoops said that abilities won't always match up to comic-powers. so for instance...venom could have psychic powers. (/ooc)

I also believe that Wolverine was under control. Maybe we can find out this way.

Wolverine, if you were not under control of another power the other night then you should be planning on attacking Doom again and trying to finish the job, no?

*Deadpool*

Beejeezus. Is Warpath passing you guys the peyote and firewater? He pretty much said that he attacked Doom because Doom was provoking him. C'mon! Your statements make me think that there is an unholy union between scarface and wheelchair boy.

[Poli]

I'm hurting real life, folks. I'm going to try and work through it though.

I don't want to get into right now. It's nothing to do with me or my family. Don't worry about me. I'm just hurting.

[Bonegavel]

Just for the record I trust Captain America, and if he trusts Professor X, then so do I.

I think we need to look at the 'quieter' players. Quiet can be lack of posts and also people who don't post anything really important that often.

I could be wrong, and I am not trying to start a fight with any of y'all, but

Juggernaut,
Deadpool,
Mr. Sinister,
Captain Britian
Mathemaniac
Gambit (work, i know)
Venom

all 7 seem to be out of the spotlight and in the shadows throughout the last two days. In the past when I have been evil I have tried to stay out of the limelight just enough to avoid suspicion, seems like the game some of these guys are playing

(Wolverine)

Don't forget Hulk! He is hiding in plain sight. What has he offered beyond his Hulk-talk? Nuttin', that's what.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

(Mandarin)

Precisely, Webcrawler. and plus if, on the off chance that anyone was controlling him, it certaintly would not one of the more trusted of those assembled. How many more must vouch for him before it is believed?

Let's see if I understand everyone who has vouched for someone else.

Captain Britain vouched for Captain America
Mr. Sinister vouched for Professor X
Professor X vouched for Captain America
Moon Knight somewhat vouched for Professor X
Wolverine vouched for Professor X

Am I missing anyone?

So, Professor X has been vouched for three times. Wolverine's I throw out immediately since it doesn't seem to have any evidence behind it. Moon is one of my top suspects, so even a somewhat vouch from him doesn't do the Professor any good. The only one I know of that has claimed any evidence is Mr. Sinister. I'm not sure how I feel about Mr. Sinister, so right now that vouch doesn't hold much water.

What's interesting to me is how closely tied this group is. With the exceptions of Wolverine and Sinister, they all attacked Mystique. Actually, they were the instigators of the attack. It might not mean anything, but it smells fishy to me.

SPIDER-MAN

[Bonegavel]

(X)

I intend not for Wolverine to initiate another attack on Doom, but rather for him to answer the question honestly and take no action. If he was being controlled then he would answer no to the question, or hem and haw. If he was not being controlled then he should say yes.

(Wolverine)

I'll be honest Chuck (Prof X), I just flew off the handle at Doom and had to back up what I said. I don't care if he is one of the 12 or not. I want others to know that I don't just shoot the breeze. I mean what I say.

Since that may not be very productive in this situation we have found ourselves in, I'm trying to bite my tongue and not put myself in a situation where I have to attack and kill an innocent just because my temper said something.

I did not Attack the Doombot the other night. As for my attack today, I was in a rage and Deadpool just put me over the edge and I smelled blood in the water and went a little nuts.

I may or may not continue my attack on him tomorrow. I don't necessarily think Doom is evil, but I don't see why taking him out (evil or not) is any worse than taking out a hawkeye or cannonball. For the time being we are going to be killing innocents and there is a very slight chance we might get lucky and strike down one of the 5. Why not Doom?

He seems just as likely a target to me as Magneto or Hulk.

Hulk is to dangerous to keep around. Magneto can twist me up into tinfoil. I think Doom lied about his doombot being attacked. I think he did it himself. What better way to avoid the spotlight. Be the first attacked in the freebie kill of evil. Oh, and he lived to tell the tale. He would never have know to throw out a doombot the first night. Too coincidental to me.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I missed this quote earlier.

However when Captain America and I did decide to attack Mystique, knowing that she would retaliate the next day with deadly furor had she survived, I determined that we needed to gather a sufficient enough coalition to make sure that wouldn't happen, because the side of good needs my power.

You must have a really short memory, Professor. Mystique was attacked on the first day and barely survived. She didn't lash out the next day at her attackers. Instead, she went after Hawkeye. What makes you think that she would unleash the fury this time if she survived?

SPIDER-MAN

[WVUFAN]

(Wolverine)

Oh, and he lived to tell the tale. He would never have know to throw out a doombot the first night. Too coincidental to me.

You threatened to kill me during the night. Why wouldn't Doom protect himself, assuming you do what you just said you do:

I mean what I say.

So you SAY you will attack Doom on Night 1, and you mean what you say, but now you say you didn't attack Doom. Which is it?

[Bonegavel]

I don't understand this. You don't think Wolverine has done anything to warrant an attack, yet you practically goaded him into attacking you yesterday by announcing you were going to attack him?

All this talk of Wolverine being controlled is pure bunk. If he's being controlled, it's out in the open with people using Wolverine's strong personality against him. Dr. Doom egged him into attacking as did Deadpool. I don't buy the possibility that someone is pulling Wolverine's strings behind the scenes.

SPIDER-MAN

(Wolverine)

I merely mentioned that I hoped I wasn't being manipulated because I seemed to have flipped out on Doom quicker than I normally would have. Maybe it's just his effective personality and he pushed the right buttons. God only knows my buttons aren't all that hard to push.

Not to mention, I was tossing out a lot of macho b.s. and he called me on it. What choice did I have but to attack Doom? If I didn't attack him after all the crap I spewed out, why would anyone believe anything I said again?

Now, did he goad me into attacking him knowing that it would make me not attack the target of the rest of my team (as I had done on day1) which he was fairly certain would not be him? I could have been the deciding factor in the Hawkeye/Mystique battle.

As I've said, I'm trying to hold my tongue now so I don't have to waste energy on stupid crap and get back to the task at hand.

[Bonegavel]

You threatened to kill me during the night. Why wouldn't Doom protect himself, assuming you do what you just said you do:



So you SAY you will attack Doom on Night 1, and you mean what you say, but now you say you didn't attack Doom. Which is it?

hehe, let me go back and check. I said a lot of crap that first day...

[Alan T]

Let's see if I understand everyone who has vouched for someone else.

Captain Britain vouched for Captain America
Mr. Sinister vouched for Professor X
Professor X vouched for Captain America
Moon Knight somewhat vouched for Professor X
Wolverine vouched for Professor X

Am I missing anyone?

So, Professor X has been vouched for three times. Wolverine's I throw out immediately since it doesn't seem to have any evidence behind it. Moon is one of my top suspects, so even a somewhat vouch from him doesn't do the Professor any good. The only one I know of that has claimed any evidence is Mr. Sinister. I'm not sure how I feel about Mr. Sinister, so right now that vouch doesn't hold much water.

What's interesting to me is how closely tied this group is. With the exceptions of Wolverine and Sinister, they all attacked Mystique. Actually, they were the instigators of the attack. It might not mean anything, but it smells fishy to me.

SPIDER-MAN

For some reason I remember Cpt.Britain and Cpt.America's love mutual to each other.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Now, did he goad me into attacking him knowing that it would make me not attack the target of the rest of my team (as I had done on day1) which he was fairly certain would not be him? I could have been the deciding factor in the Hawkeye/Mystique battle.

I doubt this. If he was trying to draw attention away from Hawkeye, it clearly backfired. I really think if anyone was trying to draw attention from Hawkeye, it was in the group that went after Mystique.

SPIDER-MAN

[Jonathan Ezarik]

For some reason I remember Cpt.Britain and Cpt.America's love mutual to each other.

Captain America believes Captain Britain is good because of his actions on day one. I don't think he actually vouched for him, though.

SPIDER-MAN

[DaddyTorgo]

I missed this quote earlier.



You must have a really short memory, Professor. Mystique was attacked on the first day and barely survived. She didn't lash out the next day at her attackers. Instead, she went after Hawkeye. What makes you think that she would unleash the fury this time if she survived?

SPIDER-MAN

I was more worried about Magneto and Warpath. The side of good can't afford to lose me Spidey. I agree that it looks suspicious that we are all tied into our attack on Mystique, but do keep in mind that it's DAY TWO. Things are still chaotic and largely "slightly informed hunches" on most Day Two's, this one more than others I'd venture to say.

[Alan T]

I was more worried about Magneto and Warpath. The side of good can't afford to lose me Spidey. I agree that it looks suspicious that we are all tied into our attack on Mystique, but do keep in mind that it's DAY TWO. Things are still chaotic and largely "slightly informed hunches" on most Day Two's, this one more than others I'd venture to say.


Do you sit in a wheelchair to keep you from falling on your head further?

Worried about me doing what exactly? I had already attacked Hawkeye and had already left for the day most likely. What exactly was I going to do to you praytell?

Are you just making this up as you go?

[gi]

Captain America believes Captain Britain is good because of his actions on day one. I don't think he actually vouched for him, though.

SPIDER-MAN

<Captain Britain>

This is true as far as I know.

I have vouched for Captain America.

[DaddyTorgo]

Do you sit in a wheelchair to keep you from falling on your head further?

Worried about me doing what exactly? I had already attacked Hawkeye and had already left for the day most likely. What exactly was I going to do to you praytell?

Are you just making this up as you go?

no. worried about you and magneto coming after me/us the next day in reprisal. which i guess in hindsight could happen anyway. but operating under the assumption that mystique was bad i figured that if we killed her we'd have a victory to hand to you two to pacify your anger at our killing of your teammate.

[WVUFAN]

no. worried about you and magneto coming after me/us the next day in reprisal. which i guess in hindsight could happen anyway. but operating under the assumption that mystique was bad i figured that if we killed her we'd have a victory to hand to you two to pacify your anger at our killing of your teammate.

For what it is worth, Doom has determined through your words that you, Charles Xavier, are not a minion of Apocalypse. Doom's actions and aggression will be directed elsewhere.

[DaddyTorgo]

For what it is worth, Doom has determined through your words that you, Charles Xavier, are not a minion of Apocalypse. Doom's actions and aggression will be directed elsewhere.

Thank you Doom. for what it is worth, you are inching up slightly on my list too.

although my criteria are likely stricter than everyone else's, so i can't give you FULL trust yet, as you would hopefully agree that I should not. But you are trending upward.

[Bonegavel]

You threatened to kill me during the night. Why wouldn't Doom protect himself, assuming you do what you just said you do:



So you SAY you will attack Doom on Night 1, and you mean what you say, but now you say you didn't attack Doom. Which is it?

Doom, you are lucky that this is all being video taped and I went back and looked over yesterday's tapes and I do see now where I threatened you before the night. I originally thought it was after.

I officially give you a pass for the doombot (and like you said, maybe you should thank me) deployment and your suspicion is lessened on my list.

Doesn't mean I still won't attack you if given the chance, just for old time's sake. Hell, you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.

[Bonegavel]

[ooc]going to bed now.[.ooc]

[Alan T]

no. worried about you and magneto coming after me/us the next day in reprisal. which i guess in hindsight could happen anyway. but operating under the assumption that mystique was bad i figured that if we killed her we'd have a victory to hand to you two to pacify your anger at our killing of your teammate.


Explain to me how doing what you did would prevent me from coming after you the next day if I wanted to?

Then point to me somewhere, anywhere that I have actually brought your name up as someone I thought we should highly consider?

I haven't really put alot of effort into your direction as of yet... however if you want to come up with completely nonsensical suggestions in my direction, I would be more than happy to.

I am pretty sure a man of your intelligence is smart enough to not have just said such foolish things, so I worry now that you have some alterior motive.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

For what it is worth, Doom has determined through your words that you, Charles Xavier, are not a minion of Apocalypse. Doom's actions and aggression will be directed elsewhere.

Are you willing to stake your life to this claim?

SPIDER-MAN

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Thank you Doom. for what it is worth, you are inching up slightly on my list too.

This right here is one of the major reasons I have a hard time believing you're good. Perhaps it's just the cynic in me, but you seem to give out your trust too easily.

SPIDER-MAN

[WVUFAN]

Thank you Doom. for what it is worth, you are inching up slightly on my list too.

although my criteria are likely stricter than everyone else's, so i can't give you FULL trust yet, as you would hopefully agree that I should not. But you are trending upward.

There can be no full trust at all, Xavier. Although you are fleeting and miniscule in the grandeur that is Doom, you are useful and powerful in your own way, and ... associations are needed to counter the formidable power that is Apocalypse.

Professor X is to be trusted. So Sayeth DOOM!

[WVUFAN]

Are you willing to stake your life to this claim?

SPIDER-MAN

Of course not. Doom does not stake his invaluable life FOR ANYONE! Yet, to survive without cooperation is a fool's errand.

You know more than most about fool's errands, insect.

[DaddyTorgo]

(ooc) Alan, keep in mind i've gotten...8 hours of sleep total the past 2 days. so i'm not necessarily in my right mind (/ooc)

[DaddyTorgo]

(ooc) Spidey as I've already explained, when I say "inching up slowly" i mean going from 50/50 good/bad to like...60/40 good/bad. Hardly a massively significant amount. Just trying to keep people updated on my thought process really.

I only fully trust one person in this game with my life right now. Everyone else is...differing shades of gray, that's all.

[Grammaticus]

Well the way things are going, it looks like the same people will push for Hawkeye tomorrow and he will probably die. If he is bad, then I made a mistake, another one, but I dont think he is a horseman. He has had too shitty of connection to really play a good role of a bad guy, plus Hawkeye isn't the type of character I would pick as Apocolypse. Maybe we should focus our attention on the people pushing for Hawkeye, not pushing away from him.

Wasn't Apocolypse a random pick? So what does "Hawkeye isn't the type of character I would pick as Apocolypse" mean? What does having a bad connection have to do with playing a good bad or good guy? Also, this sounds like you are again, trying to protect Hawkeye.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

You know more than most about fool's errands, insect.

Arachnid. Let's get it right, okay, chum?

SPIDER-MAN

[Jonathan Ezarik]

(ooc) Spidey as I've already explained, when I say "inching up slowly" i mean going from 50/50 good/bad to like...60/40 good/bad. Hardly a massively significant amount. Just trying to keep people updated on my thought process really.

I only fully trust one person in this game with my life right now. Everyone else is...differing shades of gray, that's all.

Fair enough. I misinterpreted what you meant by moving up the trust scale.

If Dr. Doom (apparently he didn't get his PhD in Biology) is willing to vouch for you, I'll let things slide for now.

SPIDER-MAN

[Grammaticus]

Let's see if I understand everyone who has vouched for someone else.

Captain Britain vouched for Captain America
Mr. Sinister vouched for Professor X
Professor X vouched for Captain America
Moon Knight somewhat vouched for Professor X
Wolverine vouched for Professor X

Am I missing anyone?


SPIDER-MAN

I believe Moon Knight vouched for Cpt. America by saying he was pretty sure the Cpt. was good.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I believe Moon Knight vouched for Cpt. America by saying he was pretty sure the Cpt. was good.

He did mention thinking highly of Captain Britain, but he did hold off on vouching for him. I must have missed the Captain America part. (Too many Captains floating around)

SPIDER-MAN

[WVUFAN]

Arachnid. Let's get it right, okay, chum?

SPIDER-MAN

HA! You are not worth the syllables needed to pronounced that word. Worm ... insect ... peon ... servant ... dolt. Simple words, much like what you are compared to Doom.

And do not dare to speak to Doom as if we are friends.

[Grammaticus]

(Wolverine)
I think Doom lied about his doombot being attacked. I think he did it himself. What better way to avoid the spotlight. Be the first attacked in the freebie kill of evil. Oh, and he lived to tell the tale. He would never have know to throw out a doombot the first night. Too coincidental to me.

This sounds like BS. If he (Doom) was not attacked and someone else was, why did they not come out and confront Doom's claim of being attacked. Doom says he made a doombot and left. Seems like the Doombot could have gotten attacked and the golden horse is part of the outcome. As far as we know the horseman could have been riding it and the doombot wasted the horse but not the rider. Who knows?

If somebody else got attacked, they really should come forward. It's not as if the bad guys don't already know who was targeted.

[WVUFAN]

Wasn't Apocolypse a random pick? So what does "Hawkeye isn't the type of character I would pick as Apocolypse" mean? What does having a bad connection have to do with playing a good bad or good guy? Also, this sounds like you are again, trying to protect Hawkeye.

((ooc)) Apocalypse is a random choice, but the Horsemen are specifically picked by the Apocalypse player. I think that's what he meant.

[Grammaticus]

He did mention thinking highly of Captain Britain, but he did hold off on vouching for him. I must have missed the Captain America part. (Too many Captains floating around)

SPIDER-MAN

Well, Cpt. Britain actually said he has "evidence" that Cpt. America is good. But I think Moon Knight hinted to observing something similar. Not sure, but I think Moon Knight would confirm or deny.

[Grammaticus]

((ooc)) Apocalypse is a random choice, but the Horsemen are specifically picked by the Apocalypse player. I think that's what he meant.

Either that or she is just making noise.

[Grammaticus]

I only fully trust one person in this game with my life right now. Everyone else is...differing shades of gray, that's all.

Who is that?

[Poli]

Differing shades of grey, huh?

Funny.

DD

[DaddyTorgo]

Who is that?

i've mentioned it many times.

[Grammaticus]

i've mentioned it many times.

Oh, okay maybe I will go back and read 30+ pages to check it out. Nevermind, I'll just consider your going on about it, as pointless.

[DaddyTorgo]

Oh, okay maybe I will go back and read 30+ pages to check it out. Nevermind, I'll just consider your going on about it, as pointless.

i think i've mentioned it on this page bub.

captain america

[Chief Rum]

Hey, everyone, I am afraid I have to step out of the game. I am going through a big virus attack on my main computer right now, and my availability online is iffy. I don't want anyone to be held back by me, so I have PM'd hoops to replace me.

Hopefully, he can find someone who can play Gambit well. Good luck with the game.

[SackAttack]

{OOC}Back from the day from hell, all.{/OOC}

Professor, did you ever come to a decision about joining the Atlantic Alliance?

[DaddyTorgo]

i wasn't aware there was ever a formal offer made SackAttack. I would of course be honored to join the Alliance.

i'm off to sleep now though. i need to catch up on some sleep so i don't anticipate getting up and checking the board in the AM before work. And I'll be at work from 12pm-10:30pm EST tomorrow (yeah, sucks to be me. and i get to miss Pats vs. Colts). So I will leave my formal joining of the team until that point, and will be unavailable likely until that point (unless i pop on for a short while on my phone at work). Hoping we get some good information out of the 2nd night though!

[SackAttack]

i wasn't aware there was ever a formal offer made SackAttack. I would of course be honored to join the Alliance.

i'm off to sleep now though. i need to catch up on some sleep so i don't anticipate getting up and checking the board in the AM before work. And I'll be at work from 12pm-10:30pm EST tomorrow (yeah, sucks to be me. and i get to miss Pats vs. Colts). So I will leave my formal joining of the team until that point, and will be unavailable likely until that point (unless i pop on for a short while on my phone at work). Hoping we get some good information out of the 2nd night though!

Consider the offer made. I think I hafta do this...

TEAM WITH PROFESSOR X (ATLANTIC ALLIANCE)

And then you formally state your intent to join us when you're able to get back on the board tomorrow.

[Blade6119]

I believe Moon Knight vouched for Cpt. America by saying he was pretty sure the Cpt. was good.

No, i never vouched for the captain....i said i trust prof. X because i trust someone else on that list vouching for prof. X. So professor X is about 70% to me right now, with my top trust being around 75%.

[DaddyTorgo]

mmmhmm. and mayhaps something will shake out at night and we'll be able to add someone else. think about who else you trust with the same degree of certitude. perhaps blade? i have no proof of his goodness, but i don't get a wolfish stink from him.

sorry blade but it seemed that with CR bowing out and Mr. W a nonentity and path already having left the team, it was essentially a team of 2, and as i've said, i will be thinking long and hard during the day tomorrow about whether to ask sack and gi if you could join the alliance too...

[Blade6119]

mmmhmm. and mayhaps something will shake out at night and we'll be able to add someone else. think about who else you trust with the same degree of certitude. perhaps blade? i have no proof of his goodness, but i don't get a wolfish stink from him.

sorry blade but it seemed that with CR bowing out and Mr. W a nonentity and path already having left the team, it was essentially a team of 2, and as i've said, i will be thinking long and hard during the day tomorrow about whether to ask sack and gi if you could join the alliance too...

I cant fault you for leaving a team of mostly non-actives for a few people you trust. I actually strongly encourage it, and wish you the best with your new squad. I think ill stick with this bunch through the night, as there are some things id like to see occur tonight before im ready to consider the same jump your taking. Again though, i wish the alliance best of luck in stopping apoc.

[DaddyTorgo]

hullo talgian, just giving a wave on my way to bed. interested to hear your thoughts on things at some point tomorrow and see where you think we should go, as someone who is elevated on my trust-list...

[SackAttack]

I cant fault you for leaving a team of mostly non-actives for a few people you trust. I actually strongly encourage it, and wish you the best with your new squad. I think ill stick with this bunch through the night, as there are some things id like to see occur tonight before im ready to consider the same jump your taking. Again though, i wish the alliance best of luck in stopping apoc.

It'll take us all, not just the Alliance.

Good luck yourself, sir.

[DaddyTorgo]

I cant fault you for leaving a team of mostly non-actives for a few people you trust. I actually strongly encourage it, and wish you the best with your new squad. I think ill stick with this bunch through the night, as there are some things id like to see occur tonight before im ready to consider the same jump your taking. Again though, i wish the alliance best of luck in stopping apoc.

of course. and i want to see how the night plays out too before thinking about expanding the group. like i said last night though, i think we are getting closer to having a critical mass of trusted people to be able to actually make some progress. hopefully at least. because we need progress

[Talgian]

Hmm, I see this evening has already proved eventful, without any true action occuring. Here are my thoughts:

1. Xavier is the only person I trust in this game. As I stated, I know more than anyone about mutants and their genes, and if Charles was Apocalypse, I would have noticed a difference in the samples.

2. Hawkeye is mighty suspicious. Mighty. I still believe he may very well be a force of evil, which leads me to point 3.

3. I believe tomorrow we should attempt to remove two agents of Apocalypse (if we don't get the devil himself). It will not be difficult to kill Hawkeye considering his weakened state, which should free up resources to attack another foe.

4. While I would not trust her with my life or even my research, I do not believe Mystique is evil. The attacks on her seem relatively unfounded, so I think it would be prudent to continue analysis of her assailants.

5. Have we determined the exact manner in which Hawkeye and Mystique were hurt? Was there sabotage in either case? I think we need to be really increase our efforts to figure out the exact cause of their wounds, both who and with what force. Doing so gives us many clues. For the record, I struck Hawkeye with a basic energy shot.

[Blade6119]

Hmm, I see this evening has already proved eventful, without any true action occuring. Here are my thoughts:

1. Xavier is the only person I trust in this game. As I stated, I know more than anyone about mutants and their genes, and if Charles was Apocalypse, I would have noticed a difference in the samples.

2. Hawkeye is mighty suspicious. Mighty. I still believe he may very well be a force of evil, which leads me to point 3.

3. I believe tomorrow we should attempt to remove two agents of Apocalypse (if we don't get the devil himself). It will not be difficult to kill Hawkeye considering his weakened state, which should free up resources to attack another foe.

4. While I would not trust her with my life or even my research, I do not believe Mystique is evil. The attacks on her seem relatively unfounded, so I think it would be prudent to continue analysis of her assailants.

5. Have we determined the exact manner in which Hawkeye and Mystique were hurt? Was there sabotage in either case? I think we need to be really increase our efforts to figure out the exact cause of their wounds, both who and with what force. Doing so gives us many clues. For the record, I struck Hawkeye with a basic energy shot.
Mystique = dead...that kind of screws up your 4 and 5 points, but you should know that. Mystique is dead, hawkeye should be back up to 25% per the rules(any hero taken below 25% health but still alive replinishes to 25% then heals the normal 1 HP per night)

[hoopsguy]

Note - I still do not have a formal join from Prof X even though he has indicated his intent. On Day 1 I gave people a little benefit of the doubt, due to a learning curve, but I will not continue doing so. Please be sure to bold any and all team actions and remember they require a two-way agreement.

Edit - no bolded posts leaving Silver Moon or joining Atlantic Alliance. They can be in one post, but both steps should be completed.

[Poli]

Accept Juggernaut into whatever alliance I'm in.

:)

DD

[Bonegavel]

To Mods

With all the changes, could we get a formal list of Teams again? Thanks.

[Raiders Army]

*Deadpool*

All I see is blah, blah, blah. Doom this. Charley that. Circle of Trust, blah, blah, blah. I wanna see some fireworks! Let the night mercifully end!

[hoopsguy]

To Mods

With all the changes, could we get a formal list of Teams again? Thanks.

No problem - here is what I show:

Silver Moon: Moon, ProfX, Gambit, Math

Mutant First: Magneto, Warpath, Cannonball

Convenient Allies: Doom, Juggernaut, Daredevil

LaResistance!: Hawkeye, Marvel, Spiderman, Wolverine

FORCE: Storm, Hulk, Mandarin, Venom

Atlantic Alliance: CapAm, Britain

Flying Solo: Deadpool, Surfer, Sinister

[Raiders Army]

Hell Atlantic Alliance LOL

[Raiders Army]

Being that I was away for most of the first day when the alliances were being formed, I really gotta say that all of the teams make no sense whatsoever, with the possible exception of the Hell Atlantic Alliance.

[Poli]

I trust Doom is telling the truth. Therefore I wanted to be in an alliance with him.

I'm in the camp of early night actions if we can.

DD

[Raiders Army]

Early night is good for me as well.

[hoopsguy]

Although there may not be any further night moves coming in, I have to give people the full range of time to submit them. So I won't be processing them until I'm back from lunch - which is likely going to be around 3PM EST.

[Poli]

I may need to go out for a walk anyways. I need some time to reflect.

[Bonegavel]

Please don't forget to use your Name in the thread when in character. Of course, this now means that my first post as Wolvie will be without his name.

[path12]

Anyways you'll see my point system doesnt mean to me most points = most suspicious. I even stated that. Its just something I use to help find interesting things about people. The person I think looks worst in my point system is Silver Surfer.

(Silver Surfer)

Warpath, I need not defend my attacks, but I will say that your point system blinds you to the reasonings behind both of my moves thus far, which ironically are entirely consistent with your thoughts. My attack yesterday on Deadpool for instance was made because of his move towards Doom, which we both agree was odd enough to arouse suspicion. My day one attack was in conjunction with my team -- as I've stated, if a team does not move as one, what is the point? If I am on a team, I will join in the team attack.

[path12]

I believe Moon Knight vouched for Cpt. America by saying he was pretty sure the Cpt. was good.

(Silver Surfer)

That's a pretty weak vouch in my opinion.

[path12]

If he (Doom) was not attacked and someone else was, why did they not come out and confront Doom's claim of being attacked. Doom says he made a doombot and left. Seems like the Doombot could have gotten attacked and the golden horse is part of the outcome. As far as we know the horseman could have been riding it and the doombot wasted the horse but not the rider. Who knows?

(Silver Surfer)

I am surprised at how so many have seemed to just dismiss the attack. There has been nothing come out to refute it -- until that time I believe it to be true. And I therefore remain wary of those who attacked Doom yesterday.

[path12]

Being that I was away for most of the first day when the alliances were being formed, I really gotta say that all of the teams make no sense whatsoever, with the possible exception of the Hell Atlantic Alliance.

(ooc) Why? (/ooc)

[Talgian]

Mystique = dead...that kind of screws up your 4 and 5 points, but you should know that. Mystique is dead, hawkeye should be back up to 25% per the rules(any hero taken below 25% health but still alive replinishes to 25% then heals the normal 1 HP per night)
(Sinister)
Actually, those points only make sense in light of her death. Since she was innocent, whoever attacked her has warrented increased scrutiny. We still haven't figured out all the sources of damage for both Hawkeye and Mystique, and doing so may give us some clues as to who is evil. Not everybody seems to be claiming responsibility for their attacks, which indicates to me that some have something to hide.

For my last point, while he will heal some, Hawkeye will still be very hurt, and thus a double kill of Apocalyptic forces is possible.

[Raiders Army]

(ooc) Why? (/ooc)

[ooc]Maybe the Mutants first would make some sense, but Storm working with criminals and the Hulk? Professor X working with Moon Knight? Daredevil working with Doom and Cain Marko? None of these guys would be their first picks to work with each other.

Wolverine, Spidey, Hawkeye, and Captain Marvel working together? The only common thread here is that they were all Avengers...Spidey and Wolverine were Avengers at a time when Hawkeye was dead and Captain Marvel stopped working with them a long time ago. Personally, I thought it was absolutely stupid to get Spider-Man and Wolverine into the Avengers. They're both way overexposed and it was a feeble attempt to cash in on JLA's concept of getting every big name in Marvel to work together under the Avengers moniker.

If I were to team up these guys:

X-Men: Professor X, Storm, Gambit, Warpath, Cannonball, Wolverine, and Magneto
Avengers: Captain America, Iron Man (pre-Civil War), Hawkeye, Captain Marvel
Marvel Knights (for lack of a better term): Moon Knight, Daredevil, Spider-Man
Villains: Doom, Juggernaut, Mandarin, Venom, Mystique, Mister Sinister
Solo: Silver Surfer, Hulk, Captain Britain, Math

[path12]

Thanks for that. Helps my overall comic knowledge. After this game is over I'm going to start looking into some of this stuff. Any suggestions are welcome.

[Raiders Army]

Astonishing X-Men is pretty good, with a great run by Joss Whedon (of Buffy/Angel and Firefly/Serenity fame). You can pick up Trade Paperbacks of the series for a lot cheaper than the individual issues. In fact, Trade Paperbacks are probably the best way to read comics for someone getting into it. For the X-Men, I enjoyed The Mutant Massacre and Fall of the Mutants. For the Avengers, I enjoyed The Korvac Saga and the storyline with Baron Zemo and The Masters of Evil attacking the Avengers in their mansion. I can't remember the name of the storyline, but basically, Baron Zemo assembles an army of villians to attack the Avengers and get at Captain America. Jarvis (the butler) is beaten by Mr. Hyde, Hercules is put into a coma, and it all looks pretty bad for the Avengers...

[Raiders Army]

Oh, and The Ultimates are a different version of the Avengers. It's a very good series and there are two cartoon movies out there on DVD.

[LoneStarGirl]

Wasn't Apocolypse a random pick? So what does "Hawkeye isn't the type of character I would pick as Apocolypse" mean? What does having a bad connection have to do with playing a good bad or good guy? Also, this sounds like you are again, trying to protect Hawkeye.

I mean if i was Apocolypse, I wouldn't pick hawkeye.... not Hawkeye isn't a good Apocolypse

[Poli]

Astonishing X-Men is pretty good, with a great run by Joss Whedon (of Buffy/Angel and Firefly/Serenity fame). You can pick up Trade Paperbacks of the series for a lot cheaper than the individual issues. In fact, Trade Paperbacks are probably the best way to read comics for someone getting into it. For the X-Men, I enjoyed The Mutant Massacre and Fall of the Mutants. For the Avengers, I enjoyed The Korvac Saga and the storyline with Baron Zemo and The Masters of Evil attacking the Avengers in their mansion. I can't remember the name of the storyline, but basically, Baron Zemo assembles an army of villians to attack the Avengers and get at Captain America. Jarvis (the butler) is beaten by Mr. Hyde, Hercules is put into a coma, and it all looks pretty bad for the Avengers...

Trade paperbacks?

[path12]

Trade paperbacks?

Trade paperbacks are the oversized softcover books.

[LoneStarGirl]

I would love to join the team with Captain America, I am just afraid right now he wont have me. And I was thinking about leaving LaResistance, especially with Spidey not doing much, Hawkeye appears to be dead (poor soul) and Wolvie only going after Doom..... Hell, I am going to do it now!

Leave LaResistance

[path12]

Astonishing X-Men is pretty good, with a great run by Joss Whedon (of Buffy/Angel and Firefly/Serenity fame). You can pick up Trade Paperbacks of the series for a lot cheaper than the individual issues. In fact, Trade Paperbacks are probably the best way to read comics for someone getting into it. For the X-Men, I enjoyed The Mutant Massacre and Fall of the Mutants. For the Avengers, I enjoyed The Korvac Saga and the storyline with Baron Zemo and The Masters of Evil attacking the Avengers in their mansion. I can't remember the name of the storyline, but basically, Baron Zemo assembles an army of villians to attack the Avengers and get at Captain America. Jarvis (the butler) is beaten by Mr. Hyde, Hercules is put into a coma, and it all looks pretty bad for the Avengers...

Cool. I'll look for those to start. Of course, I'm gonna need to find something with Silver Surfer in it. ;)

[hoopsguy]

Home from lunch, night actions are close, PMs beginning to go out now.

[DaddyTorgo]

I only have 2 minutes left on my short break at work but I just got my PM and want you all to know...MR. SINISTER IS EVIL!!

my plan of drawing attention to myself and projecting an illusion worked. sinister came to my room and attacked my illusion and left with me alive.

we have our first confirmed member of the side of evil. I call upon all mutants and heroes who are good to attack Mr. Sinister!

I shall do so on my half hour break in a couple hours. must work again now.

do not believe any lies he tells. note that he came out as trustung me completely BEFORE any night actions and thus the only way he could have known I was a member of the 12 (which I am I found out) is by being evil.

too bad you came after me sinister!

[Grammaticus]

I only have 2 minutes left on my short break at work but I just got my PM and want you all to know...MR. SINISTER IS EVIL!!

my plan of drawing attention to myself and projecting an illusion worked. sinister came to my room and attacked my illusion and left with me alive.

we have our first confirmed member of the side of evil. I call upon all mutants and heroes who are good to attack Mr. Sinister!

I shall do so on my half hour break in a couple hours. must work again now.

do not believe any lies he tells. note that he came out as trustung me completely BEFORE any night actions and thus the only way he could have known I was a member of the 12 (which I am I found out) is by being evil.

too bad you came after me sinister!
How do you know that you are one of the twelve?

[Alan T]

I only have 2 minutes left on my short break at work but I just got my PM and want you all to know...MR. SINISTER IS EVIL!!

my plan of drawing attention to myself and projecting an illusion worked. sinister came to my room and attacked my illusion and left with me alive.

we have our first confirmed member of the side of evil. I call upon all mutants and heroes who are good to attack Mr. Sinister!

I shall do so on my half hour break in a couple hours. must work again now.

do not believe any lies he tells. note that he came out as trustung me completely BEFORE any night actions and thus the only way he could have known I was a member of the 12 (which I am I found out) is by being evil.

too bad you came after me sinister!

Something is not adding up. I received a PM with contradictory information in it. (Or possibly contradictory.)

I need to hear Sinister's side of this before I jump to conclusions.

[LoneStarGirl]

Hadn't some people vouched for Sinister? OR am I thinking of somebody else?

[Alan T]

Hadn't some people vouched for Sinister? OR am I thinking of somebody else?


Sinister vouched for Prof X, but dont think the other way around. Im going to be very curious now to see the night results and see what sinister has to say. I have some information in my PM, which seems to slightly contradict the good professor's story right now, but I need to know the entire story.

[hoopsguy]

The heroes spend a restless night deliberating on the events of the past two days. It has been much harder than expected to root out the forces of Apocalypse - in fact, you have been manipulated into taking the lives of two of the Twelve! The fear is that Apocalypse is conserving his strength for a mighty blow - one that comes on this evening.

The screams of Nathaniel Essex reverberate through the quarters. They come from just outside the quarters of Professor Xavier. Although the heroes assemble on the scene quickly, they are not in time to discover the identity of the attacker. You get only a glimpse of an armored figure, holding a glowing blade and Sinister's head, who is teleported away instantly upon your arrival.

Day 3 has begun.

[LoneStarGirl]

I figured the night actions would be up before the pms were sent out. I am so impatient ;)

[Abe Sargent]

Okay Prof - why out a guy who was killed and a member of the twelve? Talk fast.

[Poli]

The heroes spend a restless night deliberating on the events of the past two days. It has been much harder than expected to root out the forces of Apocalypse - in fact, you have been manipulated into taking the lives of two of the Twelve! The fear is that Apocalypse is conserving his strength for a mighty blow - one that comes on this evening.

The screams of Nathaniel Essex reverberate through the quarters. They come from just outside the quarters of Professor Xavier. Although the heroes assemble on the scene quickly, they are not in time to discover the identity of the attacker. You get only a glimpse of an armored figure, holding a glowing blade and Sinister's head, who is teleported away instantly upon your arrival.

Day 3 has begun.

Okay, I didn't see that coming. Color me confused. So who's dead and alive?

DD

[Alan T]

Now you all see why ProfessorX's story seems a bit off to me. I woke hearing Sinister cry out for help, but wasn't in time to see anyone. I don't know what to make of ProfessorX's story right now, but I can't imagine someone would post that right before killing Sinister if he was bad.

[Swaggs]

Uhm... someone doesn't look so good right now.

[Abe Sargent]

Warpath - thoughs? You seem to know something

[LoneStarGirl]

25. Talgian (Mr. Sinister) - killed Night 2, memeber of Twelve

Okay, lets get this straight. Professor X swears he is bad, and yet he dies and is a member of the 12? Whenever Professor gets off work he has some explaining to do.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, I didn't see that coming. Color me confused. So who's dead and alive?

DD

SInister is dead and one of the twelve

[Swaggs]

Okay, I didn't see that coming. Color me confused. So who's dead and alive?

DD

25. Talgian (Mr. Sinister) - killed Night 2, memeber of Twelve

I'm not sure what to make of Daddy Torgo's message...

[Alan T]

I don't buy something here. And I'm not sure that its Professor's story that I don't buy. I think we need to hear a bit more about what exactly he saw before jumping to conclusions. It doesn't make sense that he would make a post like that before killing the guy.

[LoneStarGirl]

Now you all see why ProfessorX's story seems a bit off to me. I woke hearing Sinister cry out for help, but wasn't in time to see anyone. I don't know what to make of ProfessorX's story right now, but I can't imagine someone would post that right before killing Sinister if he was bad.

But why would Sinister attack professor X?

[Abe Sargent]

Agreed, it doesn't look good for the Prof, but that would be lousy strategy for the minions of Apoc to point a finger at a guy just before he is taken out and is revealed as one of the good ones.

Let's work this out before jumping to conclusions.

Is it possible our foes are not as coordinated as we thought?


-Hawkeye

[Alan T]

But why would Sinister attack professor X?

I don't think he did, I think perhaps Professor misinterpreted what his PM had to say perhaps.

[Poli]

Compelled to say that, maybe?

[Alan T]

Compelled to say that, maybe?

His admission was quite lengthy for what I would expect from someone who was being compelled.

I really don't know what to make of the professor right now, but I think there has to be more than what we know in play here.

[Abe Sargent]

Compelled to say that, maybe?

Someone compelled Xavier? I find that hard to believe, but if true, very troublesome.


-Hawkeye

[gi]

<Captain Britain>

And so the plot thickens

[LoneStarGirl]

Daddy is on.... lets see what he has to say

[Poli]

Someone compelled Xavier? I find that hard to believe, but if true, very troublesome.


-Hawkeye

I wouldn't doubt it, his post appeared hastily put together. He seemed to indicate he couldn't defend it later, and implicated someone who turns up dead.

Had I not been compelled in a game I wouldn't buy it, either.

DD

[DaddyTorgo]

wow. so sinister is one of the 12 and dead? makes me look BAD. nice job evil. the only thing I can think of is someone other than me with the ability to shapeshift/mess with minds.

quickly in myown defense (still at work): note that I posted my post BEFORE night actions came out. so I had no way of knowing what was going on. if I was evil I would have kept my mouth shut not gone off crowing about the pm I got seconds before.

wow. evil did a great job setting me up here. because they know I am one of the 12 . I will investigate my pm later on my break/at hom for further clues.

is there anyone else with mental powers in their character? that would be our easiest route to finding them. otherwse someone has a non-canon power.

wait a second...I think (will check) the pm said something about tentacles from all around my illusion trying to crush it. who would that point to comic-guys???

[Swaggs]

wow. so sinister is one of the 12 and dead? makes me look BAD. nice job evil. the only thing I can think of is someone other than me with the ability to shapeshift/mess with minds.

quickly in myown defense (still at work): note that I posted my post BEFORE night actions came out. so I had no way of knowing what was going on. if I was evil I would have kept my mouth shut not gone off crowing about the pm I got seconds before.

wow. evil did a great job setting me up here. because they know I am one of the 12 . I will investigate my pm later on my break/at hom for further clues.

is there anyone else with mental powers in their character? that would be our easiest route to finding them. otherwse someone has a non-canon power.

wait a second...I think (will check) the pm said something about tentacles from all around my illusion trying to crush it. who would that point to comic-guys???

How do you know that you are one of the 12?

[Blade6119]

wow. evil did a great job setting me up here. because they know I am one of the 12

How do you know you are part of the 12?

[Abe Sargent]

something about tentacles from all around my illusion trying to crush it. who would that point to???


Cthulhu?


-Hawkeye

[Alan T]

We know:

Sinister was good
Sinister publically stated he felt ProfessorX was his highest trusted person.
Sinister was killed outside of ProfessorX's home.

We assume:

Sinister either visited or was in the process of visiting ProfessorX last night.
Sinister wouldn't have been there to perform some form of good guy assasination attempt of someone he trusted.

We don't know:
Why Professor saw that He was attacked by sinister.

-------------------------

I would assume if Professor had been to kill sinister, the death would have occured at Sinister's home. With the death occuring outside of the professor's home, it seems to imply to me that Sinister set up the visit with the Professor.

I don't know what the Professor claimed to have seen, but this seems like a huge distraction tactic to me. Sinister felt we would be best served to eliminate Hawkeye today, and I agree with that approach. I feel someone wanted to create some form of huge diversion from that so Hawkeye could fade into the shadows and heal himself.

[Grammaticus]

Okay DT,

I asked once and so did Swaggs and Blade, how do you know that you are one of the 12? Also, if you posted the "I know Sinister is bad" message prior to night PMs, then you are saying you knew this from night 1?? What made you think Sinister was bad?

[Alan T]

Okay DT,

I asked once and so did Swaggs and Blade, how do you know that you are one of the 12? Also, if you posted the "I know Sinister is bad" message prior to night PMs, then you are saying you knew this from night 1?? What made you think Sinister was bad?


He posted it as the pms were being sent. i would like to know how he knows he is one of the 12 too though

[Poli]

He posted it as the pms were being sent. i would like to know how he knows he is one of the 12 too though
I might be a goob and not know better (it's happened before), but wouldn't thinking you've been attacked signify you're one of the twelve? I mean, that's who Apoc and his gang are going to go after, right?

DD

[LoneStarGirl]

Looks like he went back to work