Werewolf XLI - Apocalypse Awakens - Game over!

[LoneStarGirl]

I might be a goob and not know better (it's happened before), but wouldn't thinking you've been attacked signify you're one of the twelve? I mean, that's who Apoc and his gang are going to go after, right?

DD

Doom was attacked.... does that mean he is one of the 12? And if so, why do people keep attacking him? Does that mean the people attacking him are automatically bad?

[Abe Sargent]

We know:

Sinister was good
Sinister publically stated he felt ProfessorX was his highest trusted person.
Sinister was killed outside of ProfessorX's home.

We assume:

Sinister either visited or was in the process of visiting ProfessorX last night.
Sinister wouldn't have been there to perform some form of good guy assasination attempt of someone he trusted.

We don't know:
Why Professor saw that He was attacked by sinister.

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I would assume if Professor had been to kill sinister, the death would have occured at Sinister's home. With the death occuring outside of the professor's home, it seems to imply to me that Sinister set up the visit with the Professor.

I don't know what the Professor claimed to have seen, but this seems like a huge distraction tactic to me. Sinister felt we would be best served to eliminate Hawkeye today, and I agree with that approach. I feel someone wanted to create some form of huge diversion from that so Hawkeye could fade into the shadows and heal himself.



Assumption based on assumption based on assumption. What happens when it all falls apart, because your root assumption, that I'm one of apoc's guys or apoc himself, falls through?

Each day we should reassess our assumptions in light of new information instead of continuing to build even more on old ones.

-Hawkeye

[Poli]

Doom was attacked.... does that mean he is one of the 12? And if so, why do people keep attacking him? Does that mean the people attacking him are automatically bad?
Got me. Just throwing stuff out there.

DD

[Thomkal]

(Cannonball)

"Ah'm leaning towards not believing the Professor here since he attacked me, and Ah'm not Apocalypse or one of the Horsemen but tentacles could indicate Venom I think, not sure if Mr. Sinster has tentacles or not."

[Thomkal]

I might be a goob and not know better (it's happened before), but wouldn't thinking you've been attacked signify you're one of the twelve? I mean, that's who Apoc and his gang are going to go after, right?

DD

That was my initial thought Daredevil, but then I looked at it again, and its not phrased like he meant it that way. It's phrased like he found out separately.

[Alan T]

I might be a goob and not know better (it's happened before), but wouldn't thinking you've been attacked signify you're one of the twelve? I mean, that's who Apoc and his gang are going to go after, right?

DD


Well I think we are suffering with a rift between perception and reality right now. I don't doubt that the Professor perceived what he said. I highly doubt thats what happened however.

I am curious to what could have caused the difference between reality and perception however.

[Grammaticus]

He posted it as the pms were being sent. i would like to know how he knows he is one of the 12 too though

Yes he did, but then he posted, saying he made the post prior to receiving a night 2 PM.

[Alan T]

(Cannonball)

"Ah'm leaning towards not believing the Professor here since he attacked me, and Ah'm not Apocalypse or one of the Horsemen but tentacles could indicate Venom I think, not sure if Mr. Sinster has tentacles or not."


I am curious to hear more about why that would signify Venom. I have Venom as #3 on my distrust list behind Hawkeye and Marvel right now, but for an unrelated reason that I do not think its the time to talk about just yet. I didn't really focus on this much at the time since I didn't want to get distracted off of Hawkeye.

[hoopsguy]

By the way, Cannonball and Deadpool received the role-play bonus for Day/Night 2.

[Alan T]

Yes he did, but then he posted, saying he made the post prior to receiving a night 2 PM.


Thats not really what he said.


wow. so sinister is one of the 12 and dead? makes me look BAD. nice job evil. the only thing I can think of is someone other than me with the ability to shapeshift/mess with minds.

quickly in myown defense (still at work): note that I posted my post BEFORE night actions came out. so I had no way of knowing what was going on. if I was evil I would have kept my mouth shut not gone off crowing about the pm I got seconds before.

wow. evil did a great job setting me up here. because they know I am one of the 12 . I will investigate my pm later on my break/at hom for further clues.

is there anyone else with mental powers in their character? that would be our easiest route to finding them. otherwse someone has a non-canon power.

wait a second...I think (will check) the pm said something about tentacles from all around my illusion trying to crush it. who would that point to comic-guys???


You can see from my reply right after his that I also had received my PM and was wanting to see what night results had to say before continuing. (Since my Night PM indicated Sinister was dead)

[Grammaticus]

I might be a goob and not know better (it's happened before), but wouldn't thinking you've been attacked signify you're one of the twelve? I mean, that's who Apoc and his gang are going to go after, right?

DD

Yes, but he never said he was attacked. Also, it seems prudent to explain why you think you are one of the 12 if you are going to go ahead and out it. Right now it leaves many of us wondering, because only the bad guys are supposed to know who one of the 12 are.

So maybe you should not be giving him answers to questions that HE needs to answer.

[Abe Sargent]

I only have 2 minutes left on my short break at work but I just got my PM and want you all to know...MR. SINISTER IS EVIL!!



As he said, he received his message from the aether, from this "PeeEmm". What it revealed is anybody's guess, and frankly, those who listen to voices in the dark are probably a little imblanced themselves.

-Hawkeye

[Alan T]

By the way, Cannonball and Deadpool received the role-play bonus for Day/Night 2.

I am pretty sure I won the award for the worst day2 mistake

[Grammaticus]

(Cannonball)

"Ah'm leaning towards not believing the Professor here since he attacked me, and Ah'm not Apocalypse or one of the Horsemen but tentacles could indicate Venom I think, not sure if Mr. Sinster has tentacles or not."

Venom had no tentacles and has nothing to do with tentacles.

[Poli]

Yes, but he never said he was attacked. Also, it seems prudent to explain why you think you are one of the 12 if you are going to go ahead and out it. Right now it leaves many of us wondering, because only the bad guys are supposed to know who one of the 12 are.

So maybe you should not be giving him answers to questions that HE needs to answer.
Duly noted, I'm just trying to figure this out. :rolleyes:

DD

[Grammaticus]

I am curious to hear more about why that would signify Venom. I have Venom as #3 on my distrust list behind Hawkeye and Marvel right now, but for an unrelated reason that I do not think its the time to talk about just yet. I didn't really focus on this much at the time since I didn't want to get distracted off of Hawkeye.

Please do tell. I've done nothing to signify that I am bad. I assure you that I am good and have no clue as to my status as one of the 12.

[Grammaticus]

As he said, he received his message from the aether, from this "PeeEmm". What it revealed is anybody's guess, and frankly, those who listen to voices in the dark are probably a little imblanced themselves.

-Hawkeye

Okay, that makes sense. He was saying he got the new info from his night two PM.

[Alan T]

Please do tell. I've done nothing to signify that I am bad. I assure you that I am good and have no clue as to my status as one of the 12.

Based on some things you said yesterday just struck me the wrong way. I do not have any desire to assault you today at least however. I am pretty sure my rage will be targeted at Hawkeye once again.

[Grammaticus]

Based on some things you said yesterday just struck me the wrong way. I do not have any desire to assault you today at least however. I am pretty sure my rage will be targeted at Hawkeye once again.

Is it because Spiderman corrected my post? I swear I will kill him if he is trying to set me up. I'm pretty sure that Spiderman is bad anyway.

[Blade6119]

LOL Raiders, you drew Hell Atlantic into the thread with your team titles!

[Grammaticus]

I really think everyone needs to look at Magneto, Warpath and Spiderman.

I know those three, and they are not on the level. I would put Deadpool next on the list.

[Blade6119]

Im currently trying understand what happened with DT/sinister/a 3rd party. I might have something for you later, i might not. Im still trying to decide if what i know will help or hurt us

[Poli]

I really think everyone needs to look at Magneto, Warpath and Spiderman.

I know those three, and they are not on the level. I would put Deadpool next on the list.
?

DD

[Abe Sargent]

Well, I'll give you guys some info that surprised me from the evening. Yesterday's beating not only damaged my physical body but also left me tired. I have significantly less energy today than I normally would. I can launch an attack fine, but I'm depleted. I'll probably die, so I wanted to let you know so others would not be surprised.

-Hawkeye

[Abe Sargent]

I am pretty sure I won the award for the worst day2 mistake

Agreed. Attacking me was a mistake :) Of course, it was a smart play if you are one of Apoc's people.

-Hawkeye

[Alan T]

Agreed. Attacking me was a mistake :) Of course, it was a smart play if you are one of Apoc's people.

-Hawkeye

I don't think that was the mistake I made :) Hopefully I'll correct my mistake today with your death!

[Poli]

Was that really the mistake, or did I miss something again?

DD

[Poli]

??

DD

[Abe Sargent]

I don't think that was the mistake I made :) Hopefully I'll correct my mistake today with your death!

Don't be so eager or giddy. People will remember it once it has been revealed that I'm just an ordinary schlub.


-Br'er Hawkeye

[DaddyTorgo]

ok. on break for 20. I will check my pm and reread on this lil screen.

any questions for me though?

[Grammaticus]

Well, I'll give you guys some info that surprised me from the evening. Yesterday's beating not only damaged my physical body but also left me tired. I have significantly less energy today than I normally would. I can launch an attack fine, but I'm depleted. I'll probably die, so I wanted to let you know so others would not be surprised.

-Hawkeye

Why would that be a surprise, you got a whippin? I don't think anyone expected you to have a decent amount of health. Unless of course you are supposed to have freakish regeneration powers.

But basically I guess you are saying that a special attack stopped you from healing as much as you should. Did Cannonball attack you? I think he said he was not going to admit to what his attack should have done. Maybe he can add something here.

[Alan T]

ok. on break for 20. I will check my pm and reread on this lil screen.

any questions for me though?

How do you know you are one of the 12?

[Abe Sargent]

Why would that be a surprise, you got a whippin? I don't think anyone expected you to have a decent amount of health. Unless of course you are supposed to have freakish regeneration powers.

But basically I guess you are saying that a special attack stopped you from healing as much as you should. Did Cannonball attack you? I think he said he was not going to admit to what his attack should have done. Maybe he can add something here.

(ooc) I was trying to say in roleplaying speak that my energy dropped significantly, in addition to my obvious health drop. That I did not expect. Maybe I missed in the rules where energy drops after a beating, but I wanted to make sure everyone knew that it happens (/ooc)

[Alan T]

(ooc) I was trying to say in roleplaying speak that my energy dropped significantly, in addition to my obvious health drop. That I did not expect. Maybe I missed in the rules where energy drops after a beating, but I wanted to make sure everyone knew that it happens (/ooc)


I could imagine the energy dropping more after performing some night activities last night.

[Grammaticus]

(ooc) I was trying to say in roleplaying speak that my energy dropped significantly, in addition to my obvious health drop. That I did not expect. Maybe I missed in the rules where energy drops after a beating, but I wanted to make sure everyone knew that it happens (/ooc)

Sounds like someone's attack had an energy drain component.

[Blade6119]

ok. on break for 20. I will check my pm and reread on this lil screen.

any questions for me though?

How do you know your part of the 12?

[Grammaticus]

I think Prof. X is jerking our chain

[Abe Sargent]

OOC - Okay everybody, hoops just sent me a PM saying that he screwed up and I have more energy than he thought I did. This is important for the following reason:

I have a special ability I can trigger at night where I can craft a super-special arrow of my choice, with GM approval. I am one energy away from this special ability.

I propose, that if you do not kill me today, I will try to craft an arrow tonight, pending approval of the GM, that will do something like reveal that I am on the side of light, or maybe a one time seer action, or whatnot. It would be pending GM apporval, but I'd be willing to spend all of my energy to do it if it'll clear me and keep me in a fun game!

-Hawkeye

[Alan T]

OOC - Okay everybody, hoops just sent me a PM saying that he screwed up and I have more energy than he thought I did. This is important for the following reason:

I have a special ability I can trigger at night where I can craft a super-special arrow of my choice, with GM approval. I am one energy away from this special ability.

I propose, that if you do not kill me today, I will try to craft an arrow tonight, pending approval of the GM, that will do something like reveal that I am on the side of light, or maybe a one time seer action, or whatnot. It would be pending GM apporval, but I'd be willing to spend all of my energy to do it if it'll clear me and keep me in a fun game!

-Hawkeye

I don't believe you.

[hoopsguy]

General note - Anxiety's energy level in the PM was incorrect and has since been modified.

Getting whupped physically does not have a direct correlation with losing energy.

[Abe Sargent]

I don't believe you.

Which part. The arrow crafting ability or that hoops lied about my energy?

[Poli]

I have a tough time believing hoops would screw up, actually.

DD

[Thomkal]

By the way, Cannonball and Deadpool received the role-play bonus for Day/Night 2.

Thanks Hoops

[Poli]

Nevermind. :)

DD

[Thomkal]

I am curious to hear more about why that would signify Venom. I have Venom as #3 on my distrust list behind Hawkeye and Marvel right now, but for an unrelated reason that I do not think its the time to talk about just yet. I didn't really focus on this much at the time since I didn't want to get distracted off of Hawkeye.

I am somewhat unfamiliar with Venom, but I thought that was how he attacked?

[Alan T]

Which part. The arrow crafting ability or that hoops lied about my energy?

Your crafting ability for a super special one time arrow that can prove you are good or whatever. This entire day has been set up to keep y ou in the game by several people and I just don't buy it. Your death will tell us all alot about a few people.

[Thomkal]

edit to above, how he attacks in the comic books.

[DaddyTorgo]

(ooc) ok just reread my pm. it looks like in my hasteto post quickly earlier at work I could have misinterperted (/ooc)

(X)

Sinister came to visit me last night as I was projecting an illusion of myself. He spoke of war making strange bedfellows and tentacles arose from the floor to encase the illusion of me as he approached with a drawn needle. At that point he realized it was an illusion and said that I was a fool and we could have done great things together (paraphrase). He stormed out, quite alive.

(ooc) apparently I drastically misread that in my haste to post and get back to work in like 4 minutes. if I had to guess now I would say that sinister was our seer and that that was his way of getting information (maybe night 1 target can verify?). So Sinister came to scan me, not kill me. Sorry I saw tentacles holding me and a needle and assumed "coming to kill me" and backed out and posted quickly. I just wasn't expecting the seer to be so...violent.

(/ooc)

[Abe Sargent]

Your crafting ability for a super special one time arrow that can prove you are good or whatever. This entire day has been set up to keep y ou in the game by several people and I just don't buy it. Your death will tell us all alot about a few people.

Mind's made up, don't confuse you with the facts, eh? Of course, I would have revealed this ability as soon as the night actions were sent but then didn't because of my lower energy. I was thinking about it all night.

-Hawkeye

[Alan T]

Mind's made up, don't confuse you with the facts, eh? Of course, I would have revealed this ability as soon as the night actions were sent but then didn't because of my lower energy. I was thinking about it all night.

-Hawkeye

I don't see any "facts" from you. Just a bunch of maneuvering from you and others the last two days to keep you alive.

[Thomkal]

Why would that be a surprise, you got a whippin? I don't think anyone expected you to have a decent amount of health. Unless of course you are supposed to have freakish regeneration powers.

But basically I guess you are saying that a special attack stopped you from healing as much as you should. Did Cannonball attack you? I think he said he was not going to admit to what his attack should have done. Maybe he can add something here.

(Cannonball)

I admitted I did one damage to both Iron Man and Hawkeye. I said I would not reveal how much I healed from a question from someone, Warpath I believe. My attack cannot prevent someone from healing.

[Abe Sargent]

Tell ya what Warpath, lets back up. Why don;t you list for me your reasons for killing me, in a nice simple list and then I'll respond to each.

-Hawkeye

[Blade6119]

OOC - Okay everybody, hoops just sent me a PM saying that he screwed up and I have more energy than he thought I did. This is important for the following reason:

I have a special ability I can trigger at night where I can craft a super-special arrow of my choice, with GM approval. I am one energy away from this special ability.

I propose, that if you do not kill me today, I will try to craft an arrow tonight, pending approval of the GM, that will do something like reveal that I am on the side of light, or maybe a one time seer action, or whatnot. It would be pending GM apporval, but I'd be willing to spend all of my energy to do it if it'll clear me and keep me in a fun game!

-Hawkeye
One energy away means you would have to wait until tomorrow to do this, as you cant use the energy you will gain at the end of the night, no? If so, your asking us not to kill you today or tomorrow, which i might be ok with but others wont.

[DaddyTorgo]

(X)

My dear MoonKnight, I know I am part of The 12 because every night I can choose to spend energy casting about to find out the identity of a member of The 12. To find out who we need to protect. Happens that last night I cast around and found out that I am along with Captain America.

(ooc) seems kinda weird in character but its true. I find out 1 identity at random...last night the die apparently chose me

back to work now. home in 6 or so.

(/ooc)

[Abe Sargent]

One energy away means you would have to wait until tomorrow to do this, as you cant use the energy you will gain at the end of the night, no? If so, your asking us not to kill you today or tomorrow, which i might be ok with but others wont.

(ooc)Hmmm.. A valid point, I admit, and I hadn't thought of that. Forgot when energy was given duirng the night cycle and just looked it up(/ooc)

-Anxiety

[Alan T]

Tell ya what Warpath, lets back up. Why don;t you list for me your reasons for killing me, in a nice simple list and then I'll respond to each.

-Hawkeye

One good reason is to figure out which side the people who actively had been trying to save you are on. No one came to Mystique's aid the same way or Ironman's aid the same way. The attacks were definitly maneuvered for your preservation yesterday and your story today screams out some need for preservation.

It just smells fishy to me, and if I'm wrong when you die I don't care if people come after me.

[Poli]

One good reason is to figure out which side the people who actively had been trying to save you are on. No one came to Mystique's aid the same way or Ironman's aid the same way. The attacks were definitly maneuvered for your preservation yesterday and your story today screams out some need for preservation.

It just smells fishy to me, and if I'm wrong when you die I don't care if people come after me.
I like this thinkin'.

DD

[Abe Sargent]

One good reason is to figure out which side the people who actively had been trying to save you are on. No one came to Mystique's aid the same way or Ironman's aid the same way. The attacks were definitly maneuvered for your preservation yesterday and your story today screams out some need for preservation.

It just smells fishy to me, and if I'm wrong when you die I don't care if people come after me.

Any other reasons?

-Hawkeye

[Blade6119]

(X)

My dear MoonKnight, I know I am part of The 12 because every night I can choose to spend energy casting about to find out the identity of a member of The 12. To find out who we need to protect. Happens that last night I cast around and found out that I am along with Captain America.

(ooc) seems kinda weird in character but its true. I find out 1 identity at random...last night the die apparently chose me

back to work now. home in 6 or so.

(/ooc)
Im willing to believe this, im just trying to wrap my head around why the one person i trusted(for the most part) chose to go after you...again...

[Jonathan Ezarik]

(ooc) ok just reread my pm. it looks like in my hasteto post quickly earlier at work I could have misinterperted (/ooc)

(X)

Sinister came to visit me last night as I was projecting an illusion of myself. He spoke of war making strange bedfellows and tentacles arose from the floor to encase the illusion of me as he approached with a drawn needle. At that point he realized it was an illusion and said that I was a fool and we could have done great things together (paraphrase). He stormed out, quite alive.

(ooc) apparently I drastically misread that in my haste to post and get back to work in like 4 minutes. if I had to guess now I would say that sinister was our seer and that that was his way of getting information (maybe night 1 target can verify?). So Sinister came to scan me, not kill me. Sorry I saw tentacles holding me and a needle and assumed "coming to kill me" and backed out and posted quickly. I just wasn't expecting the seer to be so...violent.

(/ooc)

What doesn't make sense to me is that if Sinister did have seer abilities, why was he scanning you last night? He had already come out and vouched for you.

SPIDER-MAN

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I really think everyone needs to look at Magneto, Warpath and Spiderman.

I know those three, and they are not on the level. I would put Deadpool next on the list.

Someone sure is getting defensive, aren't they?

SPIDER-MAN

[DaddyTorgo]

I don't know why he was scanning me after vouching for me. or maybe it was an illusion of some sort attacking me?

I'm late back to work. ttyl

[hoopsguy]

I have a tough time believing hoops would screw up, actually.

DD

There is an insane amount of stuff to track in this game. I would encourage people to ask questions if there appears to be an issue with health/energy/whatever.

Most of the questions have revolved around the use of passive powers - they run every day, whether you use them or not. But in the case of Anxiety's I clearly read one thing on my spreadsheet and typed another.

I will neither confirm nor deny anything related to the rest of his post.

[Alan T]

I'll wait to discuss my attack further with my team before I launch one. I would like to know if Magneto and Cannonball will continue to go after Hawkeye with me. I for one am not willing to wait 3 days (today, tommorrow for him to get the point and the next day to find the results) to find out more information about him and the people who maneuvered things so he wouldn't die yesterday. By that point, Apocolypse could have won.

I would like to revenge Mystique's death, would like to find out where others stand and see who is still willing to try to defend Hawkeye today. Something smells rotten, and I don't think its the fish here.

[Abe Sargent]

I'll wait to discuss my attack further with my team before I launch one. I would like to know if Magneto and Cannonball will continue to go after Hawkeye with me. I for one am not willing to wait 3 days (today, tommorrow for him to get the point and the next day to find the results) to find out more information about him and the people who maneuvered things so he wouldn't die yesterday. By that point, Apocolypse could have won.

I would like to revenge Mystique's death, would like to find out where others stand and see who is still willing to try to defend Hawkeye today. Something smells rotten, and I don't think its the fish here.

I asked earlier, still asking - do you have any other reason to vote for me other than "It would reveal my side, and you could sue that info."

-Hawkeye

[Alan T]

I asked earlier, still asking - do you have any other reason to vote for me other than "It would reveal my side, and you could sue that info."

-Hawkeye


Not sure what else you want that I havent already given. I stated my opinion of your day 1 activity, your response was that you didnt use a special attack (even though the moderator notes stated you did), and that your arrows are special depending on the situation. Instead of allowing us to see if you have a normal attack the next day, you chose to not attack at all.

I brought up my concerns about you and a few others yesterday. Most of the others met my concerns with at least reasonable responses. Your response was to attack back and claim I was only going after you because of your connection issues. Despite having time to attack back, you chose not to take the time to attack however.

I then later gave my grading scale on my thoughts of people, not even based around you. I came out and said that I didn't view the points as meaning guilt or not, and in fact didn't even bring up the person tied with you in points on my scale as I felt ok with him. Yet you said once again I was attacking you because of not being online or having connection problems.

I stated several times that some individuals had gone out of their way to ensure someone other than you would be the main attack target yesterday, leaving us with a cloud of uncertainty about you and these others. It was highly odd that the attack was moved off of you to a member of the 12. I feel it would be very good to tie up loose ends and figure out where you and those people stand. If we do not do that today, then we will possibly lose the opportunity.

Your story seems very odd that you have this power that could have cleared you as good and instead of using it you chose to go out of your way to kill Ironman on day 1 (one of the 12.) I know if I had such a power, I would have focused on using it to clear me early on as something so special would obviously take priority over trying to make sure someone I don't know is good or not met their doom.

I feel really good about the possibilty of you being bad, and if by some chance you aren't, I highly doubt you are one of the 12 due to the way Mystique was killed and not you. I doubt you can convince me any longer, but I sure hope you don't cloud the mind of those who would like to see Apocolypse defeated today.

[ntndeacon]

I only have 2 minutes left on my short break at work but I just got my PM and want you all to know...MR. SINISTER IS EVIL!!

my plan of drawing attention to myself and projecting an illusion worked. sinister came to my room and attacked my illusion and left with me alive.

we have our first confirmed member of the side of evil. I call upon all mutants and heroes who are good to attack Mr. Sinister!

I shall do so on my half hour break in a couple hours. must work again now.

do not believe any lies he tells. note that he came out as trustung me completely BEFORE any night actions and thus the only way he could have known I was a member of the 12 (which I am I found out) is by being evil.

too bad you came after me sinister!


(OOC)This is what I get for heading to a movie after church (OOC)

(Mandarin)

This is confusing. didn't he support you yesterday Professor? I thought he was the first to really support you. If Sinister is evil, it looks as if we have a good candidate for day.

[Poli]

It's going to be fun to watch Mandarin catch up. :)

DD

[ntndeacon]

The heroes spend a restless night deliberating on the events of the past two days. It has been much harder than expected to root out the forces of Apocalypse - in fact, you have been manipulated into taking the lives of two of the Twelve! The fear is that Apocalypse is conserving his strength for a mighty blow - one that comes on this evening.

The screams of Nathaniel Essex reverberate through the quarters. They come from just outside the quarters of Professor Xavier. Although the heroes assemble on the scene quickly, they are not in time to discover the identity of the attacker. You get only a glimpse of an armored figure, holding a glowing blade and Sinister's head, who is teleported away instantly upon your arrival.

Day 3 has begun.

(Mandarin)


wow. First Sinister is evil, then killed by the horseman. I need to mull this over. hopefully by the time I catch up, I will be less confused.

[ntndeacon]

We know:

Sinister was good
Sinister publically stated he felt ProfessorX was his highest trusted person.
Sinister was killed outside of ProfessorX's home.

We assume:

Sinister either visited or was in the process of visiting ProfessorX last night.
Sinister wouldn't have been there to perform some form of good guy assasination attempt of someone he trusted.

We don't know:
Why Professor saw that He was attacked by sinister.

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I would assume if Professor had been to kill sinister, the death would have occured at Sinister's home. With the death occuring outside of the professor's home, it seems to imply to me that Sinister set up the visit with the Professor.

I don't know what the Professor claimed to have seen, but this seems like a huge distraction tactic to me. Sinister felt we would be best served to eliminate Hawkeye today, and I agree with that approach. I feel someone wanted to create some form of huge diversion from that so Hawkeye could fade into the shadows and heal himself.

(Mandarin)

We also don't know if Sinister did not use those tentacles to attack Prof. X's image, then who did.

[ntndeacon]

Okay DT,

I asked once and so did Swaggs and Blade, how do you know that you are one of the 12? Also, if you posted the "I know Sinister is bad" message prior to night PMs, then you are saying you knew this from night 1?? What made you think Sinister was bad?

(Mandarin)

it took a few people asking about this before I went back and reread it. I am looking forward to finding out this answer as well.

[path12]

Compelled to say that, maybe?

Catching up quickly. This is what I am wondering.

[ntndeacon]

As he said, he received his message from the aether, from this "PeeEmm". What it revealed is anybody's guess, and frankly, those who listen to voices in the dark are probably a little imblanced themselves.

-Hawkeye

(Mandarin)

MAybe he meant Emma Peel. (Oh wait that is the wrong Avengers)

[Abe Sargent]

Not sure what else you want that I havent already given. I stated my opinion of your day 1 activity, your response was that you didnt use a special attack (even though the moderator notes stated you did), and that your arrows are special depending on the situation. Instead of allowing us to see if you have a normal attack the next day, you chose to not attack at all.

I brought up my concerns about you and a few others yesterday. Most of the others met my concerns with at least reasonable responses. Your response was to attack back and claim I was only going after you because of your connection issues. Despite having time to attack back, you chose not to take the time to attack however.

I then later gave my grading scale on my thoughts of people, not even based around you. I came out and said that I didn't view the points as meaning guilt or not, and in fact didn't even bring up the person tied with you in points on my scale as I felt ok with him. Yet you said once again I was attacking you because of not being online or having connection problems.

I stated several times that some individuals had gone out of their way to ensure someone other than you would be the main attack target yesterday, leaving us with a cloud of uncertainty about you and these others. It was highly odd that the attack was moved off of you to a member of the 12. I feel it would be very good to tie up loose ends and figure out where you and those people stand. If we do not do that today, then we will possibly lose the opportunity.

Your story seems very odd that you have this power that could have cleared you as good and instead of using it you chose to go out of your way to kill Ironman on day 1 (one of the 12.) I know if I had such a power, I would have focused on using it to clear me early on as something so special would obviously take priority over trying to make sure someone I don't know is good or not met their doom.

I feel really good about the possibilty of you being bad, and if by some chance you aren't, I highly doubt you are one of the 12 due to the way Mystique was killed and not you. I doubt you can convince me any longer, but I sure hope you don't cloud the mind of those who would like to see Apocolypse defeated today.



This is what I was looking for thanks. Now I can see it all in front of me and respond in order:

1). You can't honestly punish me for not attacking yesterday because I didn't attack. One of your claims is that since I didn't attack yesterday, I can't prove that I have a bunch of different attacks. However, I have claimed I have a bunch of different attacks for a while. As proof:

Post 183, by me We have a person with obvious energy oriented powers, someone with "sonar" and cool fighting abilities, and my arrows run the gambut with a variety of various tricks and attacks. That's pretty well rounded so far.

Also, you would expect some characters to have a diversity array of attacks, like Mandarin with his ten power rings or me with my qiuver of various arrows. Each of my special arrows use the same number of energy, so I can bascially choose the best fit for my needs. It's the same amount of energy I gain in a day, so I lose nothing in using it.

2. I have never claimed that you specially targeted me because I was out for a period yesterday, only that I thought some may have pushed my way.

Post 1110 by myself Sorry, hit enter too soon trying to type as quickly as I can, because itsa very intermittent.

that the person with the admittiedly conn problems is also the one under cscrunity. ask yourselfvew if 24 people the one is unde the microspace if that's not someone tyring to manipulate the sitaution.

3. You claim that unlike others, I just attacked you back yesterday. However, I never directly responded to anything you said, I didn;t have enough time. The only responde I made to anybody was in post 1086 when I responded to LSG's post. I never attacked you, never addressed you personally, and never respodned to a signle post of yours.

4. If I were a bad guy, with a large target on my back, standard bad guy strategy is to back away, not draw attention to yoruself by linking with a person who is about to die. If you defend a person about to die who is a bad guy, you are instantly suspected as well, and often taken down quickly. It is earlier to hide in a crowd of 18-20 than in a crowd of 1-3. Your claim that some people may have defended me flies in the face of this wisdom. That leaves you with two possibilities. Either I;m a bad guy and other baddies are keeping me alive which seriously endangers them, or I'm a good guy. Occam's Razor suggests the latter.

5. If others responded to your early thoughts with valid points, and you moved elsewhere, then I should be granted the same opportunity here. Instead of continuing to trade "I'm right, you're wrong barbs," I initiated a conversation where we could lay it all out on the table and deal with it constructively.

6. I think you misunderstand my power to craft an arrow. I can only do it at night - no help on Day One. I don't know what I can and cannot do until a higher authority tells me so, that's creates uncertainty, and it takes a ton of energy, more than I began with. I got my energy gain for yesterday with no attack, and I'm still short by a bit. It's a lot of eggs in one basket for the ability. That's why I wasn't worried about it early, although I did submit some early ideas for arrows including a sonic arrow and an adamantium arrow. With this clarification about hte ability (and to be fair, reiteration of stuff I said previously which you may have understood), I hope this helps.

The previous post, fyi:

OOC - Okay everybody, hoops just sent me a PM saying that he screwed up and I have more energy than he thought I did. This is important for the following reason:

I have a special ability I can trigger at night where I can craft a super-special arrow of my choice, with GM approval. I am one energy away from this special ability.

I propose, that if you do not kill me today, I will try to craft an arrow tonight, pending approval of the GM, that will do something like reveal that I am on the side of light, or maybe a one time seer action, or whatnot. It would be pending GM apporval, but I'd be willing to spend all of my energy to do it if it'll clear me and keep me in a fun game!

You'll note that the important points - how much energy it takes, at night, and approval from a higher authority are all there. This is very in line with what I, Hawkeye, have done all my archer-lovin' life, I've crafted all of my arrows.

7. Attacking Mystique does not defend me. Multiple people can die, and attacking a vulnerable target and dealing more damage to her did not save me. Two people can die in a day.

Additionally, a second character who sustain a level of effective damage greater than or equal to twice their health rating (ex: Health of 6, if reduced to -6 or less they would fall under this rule) will suffer the same fate.

Therefore, attacking a weak person did not save me by replacing her with me. With that, the number of actions that you perceive as being for my benefit really isn't. I think you've built all of your premises on the assumption that I am a baddie, and are seeing everything through those glasses.

Hope this helps!!!


-Your Arrow Makin' Hawkeye


P.S. - Besides, if my Deus Ex Arrow plan works and is approved, wouldn;t that give you all of the info you want anyway, but without a good guy dying and you and others wastign a day attacking me? Isn't that int eh best interest of everybody.

[LoneStarGirl]

Did Cheif Rum ever get a replacement?

[hoopsguy]

Did Cheif Rum ever get a replacement?

Waiting on a response to a PM on this very topic. I'll post when we have a replacment and update the roster accordingly.

[ntndeacon]

(ooc) ok just reread my pm. it looks like in my hasteto post quickly earlier at work I could have misinterperted (/ooc)

(X)

Sinister came to visit me last night as I was projecting an illusion of myself. He spoke of war making strange bedfellows and tentacles arose from the floor to encase the illusion of me as he approached with a drawn needle. At that point he realized it was an illusion and said that I was a fool and we could have done great things together (paraphrase). He stormed out, quite alive.

(ooc) apparently I drastically misread that in my haste to post and get back to work in like 4 minutes. if I had to guess now I would say that sinister was our seer and that that was his way of getting information (maybe night 1 target can verify?). So Sinister came to scan me, not kill me. Sorry I saw tentacles holding me and a needle and assumed "coming to kill me" and backed out and posted quickly. I just wasn't expecting the seer to be so...violent.

(/ooc)

(Mandarin)
Well that explains part of it but not knowing he was/is of the 12

[LoneStarGirl]

Hawkeye, it seems that I am the only one willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. I am afraid that Warpath along with others will attack you today not only because of your low health, but because they feel there is nobody else worthy of death right now.

[Abe Sargent]

Directed to AlanT -

Oh, forgot, you also claim that I once claimed that my Acid Arrow was not a special attack, and then changed my story. Actually, that's not true. Here is my first post about my attack:

Post 869 I will come right out and put it all on the line, because I think this is how we snuff out the baddies. My arrow is specially powerful against armored foes and should have dealt five of the 19, barring pluses my tream may have gotten.

I was also the first to jump in and help out everybody with damage and whatnot. I admit that it's special then. Later, I address the arrow issue a second time:

Post 1587, in response to you:

Is the fact that you targetted me because I used an acid arrow instead of a "quote" normal attack? Is that the bee in your bonnet? I have a whole quiver of special arrows designed for a large number of situations, every one is special dear.

I never made one claim and then jumped to another.


-Hawkeye

[Abe Sargent]

Here's a question I have on a completed unrelated matter. Spidey, you claimed numerous times early that you thought I was a bad guy, yet never attacked me or anybody else. Maybe you explianed it and I missed it in my speed reading through previous posts, but why?


-Hawkeye

[Alan T]

This is what I was looking for thanks. Now I can see it all in front of me and respond in order:

1). You can't honestly punish me for not attacking yesterday because I didn't attack. One of your claims is that since I didn't attack yesterday, I can't prove that I have a bunch of different attacks. However, I have claimed I have a bunch of different attacks for a while. As proof:

Post 183, by me

Also, you would expect some characters to have a diversity array of attacks, like Mandarin with his ten power rings or me with my qiuver of various arrows. Each of my special arrows use the same number of energy, so I can bascially choose the best fit for my needs. It's the same amount of energy I gain in a day, so I lose nothing in using it.

2. I have never claimed that you specially targeted me because I was out for a period yesterday, only that I thought some may have pushed my way.

Post 1110 by myself

3. You claim that unlike others, I just attacked you back yesterday. However, I never directly responded to anything you said, I didn;t have enough time. The only responde I made to anybody was in post 1086 when I responded to LSG's post. I never attacked you, never addressed you personally, and never respodned to a signle post of yours.

4. If I were a bad guy, with a large target on my back, standard bad guy strategy is to back away, not draw attention to yoruself by linking with a person who is about to die. If you defend a person about to die who is a bad guy, you are instantly suspected as well, and often taken down quickly. It is earlier to hide in a crowd of 18-20 than in a crowd of 1-3. Your claim that some people may have defended me flies in the face of this wisdom. That leaves you with two possibilities. Either I;m a bad guy and other baddies are keeping me alive which seriously endangers them, or I'm a good guy. Occam's Razor suggests the latter.

5. If others responded to your early thoughts with valid points, and you moved elsewhere, then I should be granted the same opportunity here. Instead of continuing to trade "I'm right, you're wrong barbs," I initiated a conversation where we could lay it all out on the table and deal with it constructively.

6. I think you misunderstand my power to craft an arrow. I can only do it at night - no help on Day One. I don't know what I can and cannot do until a higher authority tells me so, that's creates uncertainty, and it takes a ton of energy, more than I began with. I got my energy gain for yesterday with no attack, and I'm still short by a bit. It's a lot of eggs in one basket for the ability. That's why I wasn't worried about it early, although I did submit some early ideas for arrows including a sonic arrow and an adamantium arrow. With this clarification about hte ability (and to be fair, reiteration of stuff I said previously which you may have understood), I hope this helps.

The previous post, fyi:



You'll note that the important points - how much energy it takes, at night, and approval from a higher authority are all there. This is very in line with what I, Hawkeye, have done all my archer-lovin' life, I've crafted all of my arrows.

7. Attacking Mystique does not defend me. Multiple people can die, and attacking a vulnerable target and dealing more damage to her did not save me. Two people can die in a day.



Therefore, attacking a weak person did not save me by replacing her with me. With that, the number of actions that you perceive as being for my benefit really isn't. I think you've built all of your premises on the assumption that I am a baddie, and are seeing everything through those glasses.

Hope this helps!!!


-Your Arrow Makin' Hawkeye


P.S. - Besides, if my Deus Ex Arrow plan works and is approved, wouldn;t that give you all of the info you want anyway, but without a good guy dying and you and others wastign a day attacking me? Isn't that int eh best interest of everybody.


Post #559 (2:47PM) Hawkeye attacks Iron Man (Acid Arrow - special attack)
Post #1266 (5:31PM) Mandarin attacks Hawkeye (ring - fire)

One looks like a special attack, one doesn't. I'll leave it to you to figure out what the difference between the two are.


You can't tell me how bad guys act when cornered, because they all act differently all the time. Some players act entirely differently when a bad guy each time as well. I don't find your reply valid here as we have seen many many times a bad guy save another bad guy due to some power they have thats important to keep around.

Just like so often, right now I don't think I'll be able to target my efforts elsewhere until I have some form of conclusion here. You said you can only create your arrows at night, and you craft all of your arrows, yet you had some special arrows available before the first night. I just don't think I will have the patience to wait tonight for you to get enough points to make another arrow, the next night for you to put in the order, and the following day three days from now to present said arrow to us. In that time, 6-8 of the 12 could easily be targeted and we'll be in end game.

I don't buy your story, I think its a wonderful tale and one that you should be proud of as a bad guy.

[ntndeacon]

It's going to be fun to watch Mandarin catch up. :)

DD

Just see to it, that I get to watch you catch up later.

[Bonegavel]

(Wolverine)

Still trying to figure out the horse statue at Doom's doombot's death. Tonight's lynch didn't produce a horse statue.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Here's a question I have on a completed unrelated matter. Spidey, you claimed numerous times early that you thought I was a bad guy, yet never attacked me or anybody else. Maybe you explianed it and I missed it in my speed reading through previous posts, but why?


-Hawkeye

I'm a really weak character. Realistically, if I'm going to attack, I can only do so once a day, so I need to make sure that it's a good attack. I waited until the end of the day to determine if I was going to attack you or not, but I felt that by then it wouldn't matter. I expected you to die, and therefore decided to hold on to my attack and not spend any energy that day.

SPIDER-MAN

[ntndeacon]

(Wolverine)

Still trying to figure out the horse statue at Doom's doombot's death. Tonight's lynch didn't produce a horse statue.

(Mandarin)

True, Wolverine, however it did not leave a corpse either. Or if it did the head wasn't attached.

[Alan T]

I think I believe the Professor. Thinking about how things might be setup, in large games often you need to weaken the seer role somehow to make things fair for the bad guys. I wouldn't be suprised to see a reduced seer, or some how a seer type component split among a few people.

I think the Professor might be pretty close to our seer or one of the pieces for us. It seems one of the things to make things easier on evil is they just have to eliminate the 12. So knowing who those are is a key component for us to be able to protect them. I am hoping the professor will be able to provide us more names in the near future. I just worry that as he names them they might become night target attacks, but it at least balances the playing field for us some.

One question for Captain America, you say you trust your teammate Britian. Do you have a factual reason to trust him, or is it just based off of feeling? If you can fully trust him with factual reason to, thats a three person CoT to start with (Professor, Cpt.America, Cpt.Britian) that can hopefully be built upon in upcoming days.

[Abe Sargent]

Post #559 (2:47PM) Hawkeye attacks Iron Man (Acid Arrow - special attack)
Post #1266 (5:31PM) Mandarin attacks Hawkeye (ring - fire)

One looks like a special attack, one doesn't. I'll leave it to you to figure out what the difference between the two are.





Like I mentioned above, I never claimed that my attack was anythign other than special, just that I have numerous ones.

Here is what you said:

Not sure what else you want that I havent already given. I stated my opinion of your day 1 activity, your response was that you didnt use a special attack (even though the moderator notes stated you did), and that your arrows are special depending on the situation. Instead of allowing us to see if you have a normal attack the next day, you chose to not attack at all.

Note, I pointed out above, and quoted myself that I never made the claim that my attack was non-special, only that I have several. Your claim that "I responded that I didn't use a special attack" is simply false, as I quoted above.

Do you see how it all snowballs? You believe I'm on the side of apoc, and then you even honestly beleive that I'm saying things I never did (as evidenced by the posts that I quoted above). Now, despite the fact that I defended myself better than others did yesterday against your verbalized suspicions, and you moved on, you've become fixated. You are imaging me saying things I didn't, misinterpretating the first post hwere I mentioned my ability to craft a special arrow, and so forth. Step back, reread my posts that I quote and that I posted, and reassess.



-Hawkeye

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Now you all see why ProfessorX's story seems a bit off to me. I woke hearing Sinister cry out for help, but wasn't in time to see anyone. I don't know what to make of ProfessorX's story right now, but I can't imagine someone would post that right before killing Sinister if he was bad.

I wonder why you heard Sinister's cry, but no one else did (assuming no one else comes forward with a similar story)?

SPIDER-MAN

[Poli]

Just see to it, that I get to watch you catch up later.
Throws flag.

Reaching. On the mandarin team. 15 yards, repeat of down.


DD

[Poli]

(Wolverine)

Still trying to figure out the horse statue at Doom's doombot's death. Tonight's lynch didn't produce a horse statue.


Good point!

DD

[ntndeacon]

Throws flag.

Reaching. On the mandarin team. 15 yards, repeat of down.


DD

maybe so but funny nonetheless.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

(Wolverine)

Still trying to figure out the horse statue at Doom's doombot's death. Tonight's lynch didn't produce a horse statue.

Could it be because last night was a successful attack, whereas the first night's attack on Dr. Doom was thwarted?

SPIDER-MAN

[Abe Sargent]

I'm a really weak character. Realistically, if I'm going to attack, I can only do so once a day, so I need to make sure that it's a good attack. I waited until the end of the day to determine if I was going to attack you or not, but I felt that by then it wouldn't matter. I expected you to die, and therefore decided to hold on to my attack and not spend any energy that day.

SPIDER-MAN

Fair enough Spidey, thanks.

-The Hawkeye of Your Dreams

[Alan T]

Like I mentioned above, I never claimed that my attack was anythign other than special, just that I have numerous ones.

Here is what you said:



Note, I pointed out above, and quoted myself that I never made the claim that my attack was non-special, only that I have several. Your claim that "I responded that I didn't use a special attack" is simply false, as I quoted above.

Do you see how it all snowballs? You believe I'm on the side of apoc, and then you even honestly beleive that I'm saying things I never did (as evidenced by the posts that I quoted above). Now, despite the fact that I defended myself better than others did yesterday against your verbalized suspicions, and you moved on, you've become fixated. You are imaging me saying things I didn't, misinterpretating the first post hwere I mentioned my ability to craft a special arrow, and so forth. Step back, reread my posts that I quote and that I posted, and reassess.



-Hawkeye


You stated that your attacks are all different types of arrows for as the correct situation arises. You compared it to Mandarin and his different rings. The difference is both of Mandarin's rings have been stated as normal attacks (1 electric, 1 fire), your only attack was listed as a special attack. Its clearly not the same thing. When I brought this up yesterday you disputed that you went out of your way to make sure one of the 12 died, but instead said you just have different arrows depending on what the need might be.

I have to assume if its like you say, your attacks would look more like Mandarin's attacks. Once again I find it discouraging that you couldn't prove me wrong yesterday by doing another "normal" attack and having it show up with the special attack flag.

Who knows, maybe I am way wrong, but to me it just feels like you had energy issues and needed to save up some for a night attack or such. You asked where my suspicion came from and I provided it to you.

[Grammaticus]

I'm a really weak character. Realistically, if I'm going to attack, I can only do so once a day, so I need to make sure that it's a good attack. I waited until the end of the day to determine if I was going to attack you or not, but I felt that by then it wouldn't matter. I expected you to die, and therefore decided to hold on to my attack and not spend any energy that day.

SPIDER-MAN

(Venom)

You lie Spiderman! If you did a regular 1 pt attack, you would still net the same energy as not attacking at all.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Your math is correct, Venom, but you don't know my situation. Some energy needs to be conserved so that I might be of more use to everyone.

SPIDER-MAN

[SackAttack]

Could it be because last night was a successful attack, whereas the first night's attack on Dr. Doom was thwarted?

SPIDER-MAN

Or possibly that the first attack was launched by a horseman, while Apocalypse himself launched the one on Sinister?

Other thoughts:

1) I am good. Both Captain Britain and Professor X have attested to that.

2) Professor X claims I'm one of the 12. If I am, it's without my knowledge. I checked the rules, and the only positive assertion I see there is that Apolcalypse and the Horsemen know the identities of the 12.

Thus, we have a trinary solution set to the Professor Problem in front of us.

A) The Professor is telling the truth, and has the ability to cast about for the identities of the 12, and in so doing, has learned that both he and myself are members of that illustrious cadre. If his truthfulness can be verified, that gives him an important role, but since the opposition knows the identity of the 12, this knowledge won't help us protect them at night, but WILL help us prevent from lynching them during the day.

B) The Professor is good, but is stretching the truth on the matter of knowing that we are members of the 12, possibly to provide buttressing support to somebody he otherwise knows is good, while also casting himself in a "protect me at night" light. This might be a matter of the ends justifying the means, if so.

C) The Professor is evil, and so would know if I am a member of the 12. Were I to be lynched or otherwise killed, and revealed as a member of the 12, he might gain a certain amount of credibility towards his asserted ability to detect their identities, and thus shift the spotlight away from himself for future lynches.

Given the results of the night actions, Professor, is it still your intention to join the Atlantic Alliance?

[Blade6119]

I wonder why you heard Sinister's cry, but no one else did (assuming no one else comes forward with a similar story)?

SPIDER-MAN

I assume alan isnt telling us what he was actually up to last night, benevolent or not. There were other people out last night besides Prof. X and Sinister, so id imagine alan is not telling to truth. Whether its for good or evil i dont know...

[Alan T]

I wasn't out last night. I was awoken by "Piercing" cries of pain from Sinister.

I quote the piercing just as I'm not sure if it had any significance or was just supposed to mean it was quite loud.

[LoneStarGirl]

It is slow here tonight, you heroes must be out partying it up.

[Alan T]

Pats game. so not really paying close attention to forums :)

[Thomkal]

I'll wait to discuss my attack further with my team before I launch one. I would like to know if Magneto and Cannonball will continue to go after Hawkeye with me. I for one am not willing to wait 3 days (today, tommorrow for him to get the point and the next day to find the results) to find out more information about him and the people who maneuvered things so he wouldn't die yesterday. By that point, Apocolypse could have won.

I would like to revenge Mystique's death, would like to find out where others stand and see who is still willing to try to defend Hawkeye today. Something smells rotten, and I don't think its the fish here.

(Cannonball)

I honestly don't know who I will attack at this point Warpath. I like voting with the team and getting the bonus, but I'm really not buying the Professor's story. I need to see how it shakes out tomorrow.

[Grammaticus]

Your math is correct, Venom, but you don't know my situation. Some energy needs to be conserved so that I might be of more use to everyone.

SPIDER-MAN

(Venom)

You are not making sense. If the math is correct, you are conserving nothing extra by not attacking with a basic 1pt attack. Sure you can save your circus act crap to conserve energy, but it does not explain why you did not hit with a 1 pointer. Basically, you are choosing to not vote.

[DaddyTorgo]

home from work

JOIN ATLANTIC ALLIANCE

I am exactly what I say I am. I apologize for messing up the reading of my PM in my quick read of it, but i will look through it again for more clues in a second here (after the Pats game).

Honestly, I could use protection at night if we have someone with that capability, as casting about AND putting up an illusion of myself takes up more energy than I can replenish in one night, so without protection I will be forced to choose between the two. But I am not asking for that right now.

I was hoping I would have another name to give to you all tonight as a member of The 12. Just my luck I guess that I found that I was, instead of someone else that we could have added to the Circle.

(more after Pats game)

[hoopsguy]

Daddy, please post that you are leaving your current group before joining a new group.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

(Venom)

You are not making sense. If the math is correct, you are conserving nothing extra by not attacking with a basic 1pt attack. Sure you can save your circus act crap to conserve energy, but it does not explain why you did not hit with a 1 pointer. Basically, you are choosing to not vote.

I hope you realize how much scrutiny you are bringing upon yourself, especially after a little bit of heat was directed your way. If you really want to come after me, all you are doing is signing your own death warrant since I will come up good.

I've answered why I didn't attack the other day. You might not like the answer, but so be it. By the way, did you ever explain why you didn't attack on the first day?

SPIDER-MAN

[LoneStarGirl]

okay the game is over, time to focus people! :)

....im so bored

[LoneStarGirl]

Spiderman, I am not defending Venom by any means, and I know you two have a lot of nasty history, but he does make a point. you have been awfully quiet this game....

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Spiderman, I am not defending Venom by any means, and I know you two have a lot of nasty history, but he does make a point. you have been awfully quiet this game....

More quiet than Venom?

I suppose we have different ideas of what quiet is. I prefer to think of myself as reserved.

SPIDER-MAN

[Jonathan Ezarik]

okay the game is over, time to focus people! :)

....im so bored

What are your opinions of what happened last night?

SPIDER-MAN

[Blade6119]

Id like to hear more from Mr. W and Barkeep, who have both been much quieter then usual

[Poli]

...

DD

[Blade6119]

ARDENT, KEEP YOUR HEAD UP!!!! IN THE IMMORTAL WORDS OF THAT FISH IN FINDING NEMO, JUST KEEP SWIMMING!

Ya, im a dork...but you have my support buddy

[Poli]

Thanks, Moon.

I'm trying to decide who to throw my attack at. I might have to do it tonight. I'm not sure what tomorrow will have for me work wise or anything.

DD

[Poli]

It's a little frustrating to decide what to do. Maybe I'll just hold off for now. I don't like Hawkeye's desperation heave. Sigh.

DD

[DaddyTorgo]

whoops. sorry hoops

LEAVE TEAM SILVER MOON

JOIN ATLANTIC ALLIANCE

[hoopsguy]

I believe I have an alternate lined up for Chief, but will allow him to post in the thread to announce his arrival.

[Grammaticus]

I've answered why I didn't attack the other day. You might not like the answer, but so be it. By the way, did you ever explain why you didn't attack on the first day?

SPIDER-MAN

Actually nobody asked. But in real life, I was at a job fair interviewing applicants. The event was supposed to end at 8pm, but unfortunately did not end until 11pm.

I did not get anymore energy by not executing an attack than I did when I made a 1 point attack. So, I know that you are not conserving energy.

[Barkeep49]

Id like to hear more from Mr. W and Barkeep, who have both been much quieter then usual
Quieter than normal? How about not home all day. Sheesh.

[DaddyTorgo]

damm Tal...sorry we lost you. I wonder if I hadn't put up the illusion if you would have stayed longer and lived or something? prolly not...but it has me beating myself up

[Barkeep49]

First: Prof X claims to know information about the 12. The bad guy team knows info about the 12. Just saying it's a great way to do a fake role reveal. That said I can't see my good friend Eric being the minion of Apocolypse and believe him that he's using his powers as he states.

Second: Warpath, I continue to remain suspicious of Hawkeye and would continue to support the idea that Mutants First think seriously about that sort of attack.

Third: I'd really like to get a fourth member of a team before the attacks. Any suggestions Cannonball and Warpath? We are the most successful team out there so I would think we'd be attractive to join for somebody.

[Poli]

Heck, I'd support that. I'd like to hear what Doom says/thinks, but I'm game for the Hawkeye attack.

[Swaggs]

(Storm)

The most compelling cases appeaer to be targeted towards Hawkeye, Spiderman, and Professor X.

Anyone that was a little more active, through these past few days, care to build or breakdown cases for me?

Although it pains me to say it, it appears that my friend and mentor, Professor X, may be compromised. :(

[DaddyTorgo]

Swaggs...I am most certainly not compromised. I am one of the 12. Captain America is one of the 12. Sinister+Mystique+Iron Man. That's 5/12 right there. 3 of them are dead. I didn't get a chance to find out about the dead 3, because we've only had 2 nights.

I was not being controlled at all either when I posted earlier, as I know I saw that bandied about. I simply gave the PM a quick glance as I was VERY limited on time and backed out of the page to post a quick reply.

I think we have at least one high-profile wolf who is driving the action.

[Swaggs]

(Storm)

Professor, who do you consider "high-profile" thus far?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

(Storm)

The most compelling cases appeaer to be targeted towards Hawkeye, Spiderman, and Professor X.

Anyone that was a little more active, through these past few days, care to build or breakdown cases for me?

Although it pains me to say it, it appears that my friend and mentor, Professor X, may be compromised. :(

I don't know if Hawkeye is evil or not, but I think he still makes a good target for tomorrow. The shift to attack Mystique stinks to me, and the only way to find out if it was an actual attempt to preserve Hawkeye is to find out which side he's on. I know that sounds horrible, but I don't see what other choice we have.

Professor X confuses me. I'm not sure what to make of last night's actions, but Sinister vouched for the Professor. With Sinister being good, that's a good sign for the Professor. Unless he has some kind of ability to cover attempted scans against him.

As for myself, the argument is that I indicated Hawkeye would be a good target, but then failed to attack him (or anyone else, for that matter). I've already explained my reasoning for not attacking. My decision might not be popular and might not even have been a good idea, but I stand by it.

SPIDER-MAN

[Poli]

Weird. I could have swore I just posted.

The plot has thickened.

DD

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I did not get anymore energy by not executing an attack than I did when I made a 1 point attack. So, I know that you are not conserving energy.

I assume you have similar abilities to myself. If you do, you know exactly what I was saving my energy for.

SPIDER-MAN

[SackAttack]

(Captain America)

Welcome aboard, Professor. Hopefully our newfound partnership bears fruit.

I'm personally at a loss right now. There were three names that I was, in descending degrees of certainty, looking at as being part of the Apocalyptic Five. The name I was most certain of turned out to be one of the Twelve, so I'm not any longer certain about the other two, as my suspicion of them was predicated in part upon behaviors similar to those that led me to attack Mystique.

{OOC} Captain Marvel still gives me a weird vibe, but there's that whole "learned how her character is supposed to behave" thing that's throwing me off there. {/OOC}

I think Doctor Doom is okay, even with the unexplained horse thing.

Reasoning: I'm wondering if the horse has to do not with whether or not the attack was successful, but on who launched the attack.

Remember that our actions are constrained, as heroes, by the amount of energy we have. Isn't it reasonable to assume that, if nothing else, Apocalypse's Horsemen have similar restrictions?

Additionally, given that constraint, it seems entirely possible to me that the Apocalyptic Five might be constrained in terms of how many attacks they can launch in a given night, but not necessarily in terms of WHO can attack.

Therefore, Doctor Doom could well have been attacked on the first night and fended the attack off with his first Doombot, and the golden horse may be just so much sound and fury, intended only to tell us "Look, the attacker was a Horseman, not the Head Honcho himself."

I am confident in Captain Britain's loyalty, and given our collective track record so far, I am willing to believe in the excitement of his vision, the Professor simply failed to remember that discretion is the better part of valor.

Hawkeye was one of my other two early targets, but given the surprising number of attacks on him when Doctor Doom seemed to be the early target, I'm thinking along another line right now.

We know that the Horsemen know who the Twelve are. We know that early in Day 2, Doctor Doom was at risk of lynch (partly because of the tandem of Deadpool and Wolverine). Now, given that the possibility of a double lynch exists, given that we know now Mystique was one of the Twelve and that she was targeted by some of us due partly to her weakened state (and thus a likely lynch in and of herself), is it possible that the Horsemen chose to target Hawkeye as another member of the Twelve while the Doom/Mystique distraction was present?

If Doom is good, but not a member of the Twelve, I think it possible that they might have relied on our perception of his value to create that illusion - that, in fact, he may HAVE been a member - and used that as cover to strike at a second member of the Twelve, perhaps with the aim of removing two via lynch, followed by a third under cover of night.

I recognize that Hawkeye was attacked before some of us targeted Mystique late, but at the same time, some of us - including myself - had been talking about Mystique as a possibility since day 1...so I don't think there needed to be incipient violence against her for them to make that move - only the potential for it.

The REALLY fun part is if Doom IS a member of the Twelve - then they just couldn't lose with that threesome of suspects.

Thoughts?

[Barkeep49]

Spiderman, I'm more than a little disappointed, frankly, in the rationale for your non-attack yesterday. I would have thought that you, of all people, would know that you must not rely on others to accomplish your goals and yet you sat back and did little.

[Blade6119]

MOON KNIGHT LEAVE TEAM SILVER MOON

Neither of my two remaining team members have checked in in i believe over 3 days. Neither voted yesterday, so the team is basically defunct. As such, i no longer deem it important to remain

[DaddyTorgo]

(X)

Wow Captain America. That's a mouthful there! And a mindful as well. So what are you trying to say about Doom there?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Spiderman, I'm more than a little disappointed, frankly, in the rationale for your non-attack yesterday. I would have thought that you, of all people, would know that you must not rely on others to accomplish your goals and yet you sat back and did little.

You misunderstand my goals. My goal wasn't to have Hawkeye killed. If I truly thought he was evil, I would have attacked him. My goal was to sit back, observe how things developed, and then decide if I should attack or save energy.

SPIDER-MAN

[Poli]

(X)

Wow Captain America. That's a mouthful there! And a mindful as well. So what are you trying to say about Doom there?

Inquiring minds want to know.

DD

[SackAttack]

(X)

Wow Captain America. That's a mouthful there! And a mindful as well. So what are you trying to say about Doom there?

I believe he's good, and as such, the Horsemen would be all too happy to remove him.

But a much faster path to victory is to remove the Twelve - and they know who the Twelve are.

So if Doom is good, a binary option set exists: he is either One of the Twelve, or he is not.

If he is, creating confusion by allowing multiple members of the Twelve to be targeted is a bonus for the Horsemen. They'll get one no matter what, and might get two - with a shot to remove a third that night.

If he is not, they can still capitalize on any public perception of his value (good or REALLY good) by introducing that third member (potentially a Twelve) in Hawkeye.

Basically, that move is no-lose for the Horsemen, and could've turned out awfully well for them.

[Swaggs]

(OOC)

Am I correct in assuming that Apocalypse and the Horsemen need to totally eliminate the twelve and not just outnumber/overwhelm us?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

We know that the Horsemen know who the Twelve are. We know that early in Day 2, Doctor Doom was at risk of lynch (partly because of the tandem of Deadpool and Wolverine). Now, given that the possibility of a double lynch exists, given that we know now Mystique was one of the Twelve and that she was targeted by some of us due partly to her weakened state (and thus a likely lynch in and of herself), is it possible that the Horsemen chose to target Hawkeye as another member of the Twelve while the Doom/Mystique distraction was present?

You're mistaken in thinking that Dr. Doom was the early lynch candidate. Hawkeye was. I don't think Dr. Doom was ever in danger of being lynched, mainly because he had been attacked (or claimed to have been attacked) the night before.

SPIDER-MAN

[SackAttack]

(OOC)

Am I correct in assuming that Apocalypse and the Horsemen need to totally eliminate the twelve and not just outnumber/overwhelm us?

{OOC} As I understood it, there are two paths to victory.

1) Standard 1:1 ratio common to werewolf games.

2) Root out the Twelve (which, if they did that would STILL be 1:1 if no non-Twelve guys or wolves died, so...)

However, I don't see the former laid out in the rules, so you may be right - the five who aren't members of the Twelve may be basically irrelevant to the outcome, in that you might have one Horseman left, but if he nukes the last member of the Twelve even with all five non-Twelve guys left, the Horsemen win.{/OOC}

[Jonathan Ezarik]

(OOC)

Am I correct in assuming that Apocalypse and the Horsemen need to totally eliminate the twelve and not just outnumber/overwhelm us?

Correct.

SPIDER-MAN

[Swaggs]

(Storm)

Has anyone come up with a good theory on last night's events?

Is it a certainty that Professor X. was involved or was Mr. Sinister in the process of contacting the Professor when he was killed?

Did anyone gather any usable information last night? As I lightly slept, I came to the conclusion that it was time for me to stop setting back and that I need to assert myself and my powers, before it is too late.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Win Conditions:
Evil: eliminate "The Twelve" from the game. Evil knows the identities of the Twelve (out of 20 heroes). When all of these characters are removed from the active roster Evil wins the game
Good: defeat Apocalypse and his four horsemen.

.

[SackAttack]

You're mistaken in thinking that Dr. Doom was the early lynch candidate. Hawkeye was. I don't think Dr. Doom was ever in danger of being lynched, mainly because he had been attacked (or claimed to have been attacked) the night before.

SPIDER-MAN

(Captain America)

I don't think he was in danger of being lynched by a large mob, but any time individuals with the power of a Deadpool and a Wolverine attack, given that we know neither how much damage is sufficient to kill any one person here nor how much is dealt out (at least, until after the lynch) you can't assume that they're necessarily safe.

[Swaggs]

(Storm)

...and I don't ask this question about the Professor to implicate him, but rather to understand his involvement. Is it possible he was reaching out to Sinister or perhaps projecting an image, as a defense, as Doom is capable of doing?

[SackAttack]

(Storm)

Has anyone come up with a good theory on last night's events?

Is it a certainty that Professor X. was involved or was Mr. Sinister in the process of contacting the Professor when he was killed?

Did anyone gather any usable information last night? As I lightly slept, I came to the conclusion that it was time for me to stop setting back and that I need to assert myself and my powers, before it is too late.

(Captain)

I'm fairly limited in my ability to gather information.

Not being psychic is a real drag, sometimes.

[GoldenEagle]

Professor X, why did you all the sudden decide to switch teams? Something about this just does not add up. I think we need to attack Professor X. He is sure is vouching for a ton of people, and if he turns out to be good then we can clear a couple of more people. If he is bad, well then, we got us one.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

(Captain America)

I don't think he was in danger of being lynched by a large mob, but any time individuals with the power of a Deadpool and a Wolverine attack, given that we know neither how much damage is sufficient to kill any one person here nor how much is dealt out (at least, until after the lynch) you can't assume that they're necessarily safe.

Remember, just getting someone's health down to zero does not kill them.

SPIDER-MAN

[SackAttack]

Professor X, why did you all the sudden decide to switch teams? Something about this just does not add up. I think we need to attack Professor X. He is sure is vouching for a ton of people, and if he turns out to be good then we can clear a couple of more people. If he is bad, well then, we got us one.

(Captain America)

The Atlantic Alliance invited him following the loss of Iron Man. I think he probably made the decision to join us based on the relative activity level of the rest of his team.

I understand that the Professor is getting some wary looks at the moment, but I would ask you folks to give him another day before grabbing the pitchforks. Give us a chance to assess whether the Sinister debacle is anything more than an innocent mistake.

[Swaggs]

(Storm)

I feel very uneasy about Professor X.'s actions today--particularly his statements regarding Mr. Sinister immediately before his death.

Still, I believe it is likely that the Professor may the capability to look into the minds of others, which would be a powerful skill for us to lose.

[Abe Sargent]

(ooc)Bad news, just heard from a PM that hoops will allow me to build an Aura Flare Arrow that will visably display to us all what side a person is on, but that I cannot use it on myself. It will also deal a damage to the target (it IS an arrow afterall). So I can do it, just not on myself.

-Anxiety

[Blade6119]

(ooc)Bad news, just heard from a PM that hoops will allow me to build an Aura Flare Arrow that will visably display to us all what side a person is on, but that I cannot use it on myself. It will also deal a damage to the target (it IS an arrow afterall). So I can do it, just not on myself.

-Anxiety

Again though, not for 2 days...which im not sure you will get

[SackAttack]

Remember, just getting someone's health down to zero does not kill them.

SPIDER-MAN

No, it doesn't.

But again, we don't know how much damage was done, nor how much health he had. If Doom was used as a diversion for Hawkeye, we don't know at what point that decision was made, and certainly there was no way to know then whether Deadpool/Wolverine would be an anomaly in the day's attacks, or if there would have been further attention paid. I believe a third person ended up attacking Doctor Doom, if I'm not mistaken. Four or five of us attacked Mystique - and if Hawkeye is one of the Twelve, the Horsemen really wouldn't have minded one way or the other whether Mystique or Hawkeye was the one to go.

Basically, Doom was either a distraction to allow the Horsemen to try to knock off two members of the Twelve, or he's a third member of the Twelve and the Horsemen were really trying to sow confusion. For the former, it doesn't matter whether he was in imminent danger of death - only that his example was capable of distracting from the attack on Hawkeye.

Or I'm wrong, Wolverine is right, and Doom is a baddie.

[Swaggs]

(ooc)Bad news, just heard from a PM that hoops will allow me to build an Aura Flare Arrow that will visably display to us all what side a person is on, but that I cannot use it on myself. It will also deal a damage to the target (it IS an arrow afterall). So I can do it, just not on myself.

-Anxiety

I would recommend using it on someone like the Hulk, Wolverine, or Juggernaut. Someone that is easily capable of absorbing a blow. I would also suggest that the rest of us agree not to attack the person chosen, until the arrow's results are known.

[DaddyTorgo]

(ooc) guys, cut me a break on the sinister debacle. it would be a moronic play for a bad guy to make. and i honestly was working 12-10 tonight and i wanted to get the info to you all as soon as possible. my pm arrived at like 2:26...i had to be back on the floor at 2:32. that's 6 minutes to type and transmit it...on my tinyass lil phone. and i corrected it on my half-hour break like 2 hours later okay? (/ooc)

I am very wary of those who are trying to push you all towards voting for me, although I think it would be a poor play by evil to be one of those people, but I can't rule it out, with Swaggs and GoldenEagle both mentioning it.


As for why I switched teams...Blade and i were the only two members of our team active. And I have already said that I am looking to hopefully bring Blade into the Atlantic Alliance soon (pending discussion with captain america and captain britain of course). And I know I can trust captain america (and by extension captain britain i suppose, although i do not vouch for him). Nice to have someone I can trust watching my back.

[Abe Sargent]

Again though, not for 2 days...which im not sure you will get

(ooc) Correct, barring some energy bestowing power someone else might have. In the comics, you might see someone like Monica use her power to amp up other people. Who knows if they have a similar power here.

-Anxiety

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I believe a third person ended up attacking Doctor Doom, if I'm not mistaken.

Yes. This person also attack Mystique as well.

SPIDER-MAN

[GoldenEagle]

(ooc) guys, cut me a break on the sinister debacle. it would be a moronic play for a bad guy to make. and i honestly was working 12-10 tonight and i wanted to get the info to you all as soon as possible. my pm arrived at like 2:26...i had to be back on the floor at 2:32. that's 6 minutes to type and transmit it...on my tinyass lil phone. and i corrected it on my half-hour break like 2 hours later okay? (/ooc)

I am very wary of those who are trying to push you all towards voting for me, although I think it would be a poor play by evil to be one of those people, but I can't rule it out, with Swaggs and GoldenEagle both mentioning it.


As for why I switched teams...Blade and i were the only two members of our team active. And I have already said that I am looking to hopefully bring Blade into the Atlantic Alliance soon (pending discussion with captain america and captain britain of course). And I know I can trust captain america (and by extension captain britain i suppose, although i do not vouch for him). Nice to have someone I can trust watching my back.

I am afraid you are going to become a victim of numbers. Like I said, we can rule out/in some people that you have aligned yourself with. Why would Sinister vouch for you and then come and the middle of the night with his needle. I really do not know that is going on here and I am not sure of anyone who does. The bottom line is that the 12 are dropping like flies and we have nothing. If Sinister was one of our seers, then we are even further behind.

[Blade6119]

Yes. This person also attack Mystique as well.

SPIDER-MAN

ME!!!!!!!!!

[Poli]

I am afraid you are going to become a victim of numbers. Like I said, we can rule out/in some people that you have aligned yourself with. Why would Sinister vouch for you and then come and the middle of the night with his needle. I really do not know that is going on here and I am not sure of anyone who does. The bottom line is that the 12 are dropping like flies and we have nothing. If Sinister was one of our seers, then we are even further behind.
Interesting. I'm not sure I prescribe to this theory. I think I'd much rather take a shot at Hawkeye.

[Abe Sargent]

I am afraid you are going to become a victim of numbers. Like I said, we can rule out/in some people that you have aligned yourself with. Why would Sinister vouch for you and then come and the middle of the night with his needle. I really do not know that is going on here and I am not sure of anyone who does. The bottom line is that the 12 are dropping like flies and we have nothing. If Sinister was one of our seers, then we are even further behind.

I don't think you guys will learn as much as you think you will in killing people like me and Xavier. What did you learn from Mystique and Iron Man? Nothing really. When you kill me and it's revealed that I am nothing more than I have said that I am, what will it say about AlanT other than that he's wrong? Nothing really. In the meantime, you kill valuable allies for questionably useful evidence that you'll received sooner or later from things like my Arrow and Night Kills and seer revelations and such. Instead of looking for heroes and villains that are hiding, and you know several of apoc's horsemen are doing so, you go after the public ones. Look deeper. I know I will not be targeting Xavier today, even if he leads you all in a charge against me.

-Hawkeye

[DaddyTorgo]

Interesting. I'm not sure I prescribe to this theory. I think I'd much rather take a shot at Hawkeye.

with a cockamamie theory like that, i wouldn't mind taking a shot at GE.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I am afraid you are going to become a victim of numbers. Like I said, we can rule out/in some people that you have aligned yourself with. Why would Sinister vouch for you and then come and the middle of the night with his needle. I really do not know that is going on here and I am not sure of anyone who does. The bottom line is that the 12 are dropping like flies and we have nothing. If Sinister was one of our seers, then we are even further behind.

The fact that Sinister vouched for the Professor and Sinister was good leads me to put the Professor in the level below fully trusted. Unfortunately, I can't figure out why Sinister would be back in the Professor's room. That's what's keeping me from fully trusting the Professor right now, but I do think attacking him at this time would be a horrible mistake.

SPIDER-MAN

[Abe Sargent]

Oh, and I still think you can find good info from teh origianl team rosters. Apoc's horsemen were likely spread out among them, so eliminate slowly people on a team through methods such as visions, mind scrying, and whatnot, and you'll figure out who one of them is.


-Hawkeye

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Hawkeye,

When is the earliest that you can use the Aura Flare arrow?

SPIDER-MAN

[DaddyTorgo]

I don't think you guys will learn as much as you think you will in killing people like me and Xavier. What did you learn from Mystique and Iron Man? Nothing really. When you kill me and it's revealed that I am nothing more than I have said that I am, what will it say about AlanT other than that he's wrong? Nothing really. In the meantime, you kill valuable allies for questionably useful evidence that you'll received sooner or later from things like my Arrow and Night Kills and seer revelations and such. Instead of looking for heroes and villains that are hiding, and you know several of apoc's horsemen are doing so, you go after the public ones. Look deeper. I know I will not be targeting Xavier today, even if he leads you all in a charge against me.

-Hawkeye


thank you hawkeye. that says a lot about you. given you could be evil and trying to work yourself into trust, but i have no proof of that, or indeed even much thought that that is the case.

i don't plan on targeting you, fwiw.

[Poli]

GE is Jugger, right?

DD

[DaddyTorgo]

The fact that Sinister vouched for the Professor and Sinister was good leads me to put the Professor in the level below fully trusted. Unfortunately, I can't figure out why Sinister would be back in the Professor's room. That's what's keeping me from fully trusting the Professor right now, but I do think attacking him at this time would be a horrible mistake.

SPIDER-MAN


i wish i knew why he vouched for me...then came back into my room and wrapped tentacles around me and held a needle to the head of my illusion. he was saying something about us working together too, like i've said, so maybe he came back to like...form a team (and give us PM abilities) but that doesn't explain the needle.

maybe he just had a good feeling about me from my posts and decided to scan me to be sure?

[Abe Sargent]

Hawkeye,

When is the earliest that you can use the Aura Flare arrow?

SPIDER-MAN

(ooc) I am one energy away from doing it. I'd gain energy tongith, then would craft the arrow the following night, then could use it tthe following day. Day 3 ends Monday. Gain Energy Monday night, craft Tuesday night, use on Wednesday Day.

-Anxiety

[GoldenEagle]

The fact that Sinister vouched for the Professor and Sinister was good leads me to put the Professor in the level below fully trusted. Unfortunately, I can't figure out why Sinister would be back in the Professor's room. That's what's keeping me from fully trusting the Professor right now, but I do think attacking him at this time would be a horrible mistake.

SPIDER-MAN

That is the million dollar question. I think someone got some wires crossed somewhere. The bottom line is there are no other characters right now that I feel justifiable in going after. I also have something up my sleeve for Professor X, so I only need a few to join in on me in the attack if it is decided to go in that direction.

[GoldenEagle]

i wish i knew why he vouched for me...then came back into my room and wrapped tentacles around me and held a needle to the head of my illusion. he was saying something about us working together too, like i've said, so maybe he came back to like...form a team (and give us PM abilities) but that doesn't explain the needle.

maybe he just had a good feeling about me from my posts and decided to scan me to be sure?

(Juggernaut)

This fairy tell keeps growing and growing.

[Swaggs]

The fact that Sinister vouched for the Professor and Sinister was good leads me to put the Professor in the level below fully trusted. Unfortunately, I can't figure out why Sinister would be back in the Professor's room. That's what's keeping me from fully trusting the Professor right now, but I do think attacking him at this time would be a horrible mistake.

SPIDER-MAN

(Storm)

That is why I believe that Sinister or Xavier were, perhaps, reaching out to one another. Not sure that anyone else has made that deduction or not, but it seems as likely as anything else.

[Blade6119]

i wish i knew why he vouched for me...then came back into my room and wrapped tentacles around me and held a needle to the head of my illusion. he was saying something about us working together too, like i've said, so maybe he came back to like...form a team (and give us PM abilities) but that doesn't explain the needle.

maybe he just had a good feeling about me from my posts and decided to scan me to be sure?

Talgain went out on night one and scanned someone, i assumed it was you. On day 2, before all the drama, he said he analyzed your blood and it was clear you were not mutated into evil. Talgain was the reason i trusted you DT, which is why i dont understand why he went back to you on night 2.

I fully understand the needle, just not why he was there on night 2

[GoldenEagle]

GE is Jugger, right?

DD

(ooc) Correct. Sorry for not specifying better.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm sure your fellow minions would join you in that GE.

[GoldenEagle]

Talgain went out on night one and scanned someone, i assumed it was you. On day 2, before all the drama, he said he analyzed your blood and it was clear you were not mutated into evil. Talgain was the reason i trusted you DT, which is why i dont understand why he went back to you on night 2.

I fully understand the needle, just not why he was there on night 2

How do you know this information?

[Poli]

I'm not comfortable at all going after X. Like he said, it would be a bonehead move as a bad guy. I just don't buy that happening.

You won't find me helping you, Jugger, even as an ally.

DD

[DaddyTorgo]

Talgain went out on night one and scanned someone, i assumed it was you. On day 2, before all the drama, he said he analyzed your blood and it was clear you were not mutated into evil. Talgain was the reason i trusted you DT, which is why i dont understand why he went back to you on night 2.

I fully understand the needle, just not why he was there on night 2

i don't understand it either!! like i said, maybe he saw something in one of my posts or something and trusted me for another reason and was coming to scan to make sure? that's about all i can think of ???

[Poli]

I'm sure your fellow minions would join you in that GE.
Minions? Me?

DD

[Blade6119]

How do you know this information?

Well most of it was public knowledge(him saying he analyzed DTs blood long before the night 2 mes), and his movements i learned about through my own means.

[DaddyTorgo]

no DD. I meant minions as in "minions of Apc." as in "maybe GE is evil if he's pushing you all so hard to attack me."

it was an off-the-cuff response, not a serious thought that he's evil. because as polarized as i have made people, evil has to know they can't take me out during the day, it would draw too much attention to them when i come up good.

[SackAttack]

That is the million dollar question. I think someone got some wires crossed somewhere. The bottom line is there are no other characters right now that I feel justifiable in going after. I also have something up my sleeve for Professor X, so I only need a few to join in on me in the attack if it is decided to go in that direction.

I believe an attack on the Professor would be worthless. I don't believe him to be either a Horseman or Apocalypse.

But I would still ask anybody who is considering him to wait one more day. He has vouched for me, and perhaps within that timeframe I may be able to do the same for him.

[DaddyTorgo]

Captain...don't waste your vouching on me. I don't think there's a serous enough movement to kill me during the day. If I'm to die I have a feeling it will be at night. You need to take whatever ability you have to vouch for someone (if it works like that) and use it to vouch for someone else.

I can fend for myself, and like I said, I don't see myself being day-killed.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

But I would still ask anybody who is considering him to wait one more day. He has vouched for me, and perhaps within that timeframe I may be able to do the same for him.

Actually, I would rather you looked elsewhere. You don't have to take my advice, but since the Professor has already been vouched for by a known good guy, it seems kind of pointless to scan (or whatever) him again.

SPIDER-MAN

[GoldenEagle]

I believe an attack on the Professor would be worthless. I don't believe him to be either a Horseman or Apocalypse.

But I would still ask anybody who is considering him to wait one more day. He has vouched for me, and perhaps within that timeframe I may be able to do the same for him.

(Juggernaut)

I am not ready to push any buttons yet, but I am very suspicious and none of this makes a bit of sense.

[SackAttack]

Captain...don't waste your vouching on me. I don't think there's a serous enough movement to kill me during the day. If I'm to die I have a feeling it will be at night. You need to take whatever ability you have to vouch for someone (if it works like that) and use it to vouch for someone else.

I can fend for myself, and like I said, I don't see myself being day-killed.

(Captain America)

I am limited in what I can do outside the realm of the purely physical, Professor. I don't have your talents.

However, what I can do will be to the team's benefit, I believe. Please let me do what I can in the name of the cause.

[DaddyTorgo]

well i certainly can't stop you captain america. could you enlighten me further? it might help me to make a better energy-allocation choice if i knew

[DaddyTorgo]

if not i understand...i'm just at a rough place with regards to my energy-levels.

[SackAttack]

Professor, I can't say any more than that right now. It wouldn't hamper my efforts today, but it certainly could later.

Let me just say this - what I can do will not affect anybody's energy allocation, either for Day 3 or for Night 3.

[Poli]

ooc: I'm off to bed. Who knows what tomorrow holds for me.

I hope to have an attack in, though.

DD

[Swaggs]

(OOC)

I am also out for the night. Some good discussion tonight, but nothing is opening up for me just yet. Hopefully, there will be some good leads tomorrow.

[Swaggs]

As a discussion point for tonight/tomorrow, what should we be looking for as signs of sabotage if we have a horsemen on our team? I had pretty much only considered lessened damage or misdirection, but it seems like some of the other have alluded that we should be looking for particulars. I don't really know what to look for...

[SackAttack]

{OOC}

I'm heading to bed myself. I work 10-5:30 tomorrow, but I'll be home in time to cast an attack, and I'll also be on for probably 2 hours before I leave for work as well.

[hoopsguy]

(OOC)

Am I correct in assuming that Apocalypse and the Horsemen need to totally eliminate the twelve and not just outnumber/overwhelm us?

Yes. That is the only route to victory for the forces of evil. There is no 1:1 ratio win, although obviously it gets increasingly difficult for the heroes to pull out a win if they are outnumbered.

[Alan T]

I am concerned about anyone who is actively pushing to really try and attack someone who likely is our best seer type either in the game or at least remaining. People who are looking to attack the professor evidentally do not want us to know who the 12 are.

[Qwikshot]

I believe I have an alternate lined up for Chief, but will allow him to post in the thread to announce his arrival.


(Gambit)

"Remy Lebeau is here. I plan to stay awhile."

[Alan T]

Welcome Qwikshot!

[Alan T]

Ok, lets try this a different way.

So people see my point of view on professorX... Here is my thinking.

Either: ProfessorX is good or he is bad.

If Good: ProfessorX continues to clear 1 person a day while alive.
If Bad: ProfessorX gives us bogus information that we can not take at face value and have to toss it out.

Pros & Cons of killing early:

Pro if Bad: Get a bad guy
Pro if Good: None

Con if Bad: None
Con if good: You just lost perhaps the seer at your own hands.

Pros & Cons of killing later:

Pro if Bad: You still get to kill a bad guy
Pro if Good: Even though you have killed a seer, you at least have a few more names you can trust.

Con if Bad: You waited a few days to kill a bad guy
Con if Good: None


-----------------------------------

So I understand at some point the validity of the data is only as strong as the person the data is based upon. At some point having a way to validate the Professor's claims is pretty important. However which is better for us? To kill him now and only validate one other name (Cpt. America), or validate him later and possibly be able to have a clear circle of trust of a few people, and in addition have an idea of who the bad guys will target?

Worst case for us, he is a bad guy and deceiving us and we just take a little longer to kill him is all.

[Alan T]

We need more east coast WW players who get to work before 9am

[Bonegavel]

(Wolverine)

I need to rest up today and will most likely participate in discussion only unless something truly interesting comes up.

I wasted more energy than I had intended on that mostly spontaneous attack on Doom. I used extra on that attack in the hopes that a bunch more would follow, but whatever.

I have some interesting night moves I want to try but need to rest up a bit before I can attempt them.

[Bonegavel]

(Gambit)

"Remy Lebeau is here. I plan to stay awhile."


Hey Qwik! Good to see you again. Lot's to catch up on.

[Raiders Army]

MOON KNIGHT LEAVE TEAM SILVER MOON

Neither of my two remaining team members have checked in in i believe over 3 days. Neither voted yesterday, so the team is basically defunct. As such, i no longer deem it important to remain

Still catching up. Once the games came on yesterday I watched them and they ran right into the Apprentice. Just got back from working out.

*Deadpool*

So let me get this straight...the team that's called Silver Moon doesn't have the Silver Surfer or Moon Knight? Isn't that like every member of the Fantastic Four leaving and two dudes going by that team name?

[Raiders Army]

*Deadpool*

I'll be back on later during lunch. I'm suspicious of Prof X and Doom.

[Barkeep49]

Warpath any thoughts on who a good 4th member might be?

[Alan T]

Well I had liked Sinister before. Obviously that no longer is an option. I do not know if I feel confident with too many of the others. If we need a 4th, perhaps Moon Knight might be an ok choice. I find it highly unlikely of him being a horseman due to his high profile nature.

Unfortunatly I don't have any super power way of generating a trust list like many others seem to. I mainly would like to stick with people who aren't crazy to go after someone who might give us other good information like the professor though.

[Barkeep49]

What about Silver Surfer? He seemed to value working cooperatively. I'm guessing either you or Cannonball is likely to be a member of the Apocolypse, but as long as we discuss our actions and then work in unison I actually think putitng a bad guy on our team decreases the influence they might otherwise have.

[Alan T]

What about Silver Surfer? He seemed to value working cooperatively. I'm guessing either you or Cannonball is likely to be a member of the Apocolypse, but as long as we discuss our actions and then work in unison I actually think putitng a bad guy on our team decreases the influence they might otherwise have.

I am less comfortable with Silver Surfer. He hasn't done anything that smells like a bad action to me so far, and that is actually a little concerning. Usually by now even good guys have messed up somewhere. I know I've made a few mistakes so far, but with him it seems he has known exactly where to attack to not be noticed.

Also Silver Surfer fits the ideal profile of one of the horsemen. While I feel better about him than some others that are around, I don't feel as comfortable enough to have a trust of any sorts for him so far.

[Barkeep49]

Ok fair enough.

Moon Knight would you be interested in joining Mutants First? You have seen our style and know what we're looking for.

[Alan T]

Just for the full list of people who currently are solo:

Flying Solo: Deadpool, Surfer, Marvel, Moon

Deadpool concerns me due to attacks on Doom out of the blue for apparently no reason after he stated he was attacked the night before without anyone saying otherwise.

Marvel I just get all types of bad vibes from. Has been involved in both killings of the 12 as well.

SilverSurfer I already stated my fears about.

Unfortunatly I don't know enough about MoonKnight to know he is good, but he seemed interested in a more active group.

[Poli]

Just for the full list of people who currently are solo:

Flying Solo: Deadpool, Surfer, Marvel, Moon

Deadpool concerns me due to attacks on Doom out of the blue for apparently no reason after he stated he was attacked the night before without anyone saying otherwise.

Marvel I just get all types of bad vibes from. Has been involved in both killings of the 12 as well.

SilverSurfer I already stated my fears about.

Unfortunatly I don't know enough about MoonKnight to know he is good, but he seemed interested in a more active group.

Deadpool claims he was attacked? Was this the same time as Doom?

DD

[Alan T]

Deadpool claims he was attacked? Was this the same time as Doom?

DD

Doom claimed he was attacked, Deadpool then attacked him the next day.

[Poli]

Duly noted.

DD

[Thomkal]

First: Prof X claims to know information about the 12. The bad guy team knows info about the 12. Just saying it's a great way to do a fake role reveal. That said I can't see my good friend Eric being the minion of Apocolypse and believe him that he's using his powers as he states.

Second: Warpath, I continue to remain suspicious of Hawkeye and would continue to support the idea that Mutants First think seriously about that sort of attack.

Third: I'd really like to get a fourth member of a team before the attacks. Any suggestions Cannonball and Warpath? We are the most successful team out there so I would think we'd be attractive to join for somebody.

(Cannonball)

"Well ah'd rather not have any of the people who attacked me on day 1 on our team, as Ah'm sure you understand Mr. Magneto. That would be the Professor, Moon Knight, Gambit, Mathematic, or the Silver Surfer. It'd be nice to have a fellow X-Men on the team too instead of one who hates us I sup'pose."

(Can someone repost a list of who attacked who on Day 2? (if not already done while I'm catching up)

[Alan T]

Day 2 attacks:

Post #1143 (3:23PM) Mystique attacks Hawkeye (knife)
Post #1161 (3:37PM) Warpath attacks Hawkeye (knife)
Post #1197 (4:22PM) Deadpool attacks Doom (special attack - surgical strike)
Post #1202 (4:28PM) Wolverine attacks Doom (claws)
Post #1206 (4:30PM) Doom activates force field
Post #1224 (4:44PM) Doom attacks Deadpool (mystic)
Post #1227 (4:50PM) Magneto attacks Hawkeye (magnetic pulse)
Post #1244 (5:06PM) Moon Knight attacks Doom (dart)
Post #1245 (5:07PM) Doom activates Doombot
Post #1254 (5:18PM) Venom attacks Deadpool (punch)
Post #1262 (5:25PM) Captain Marvel attacks Moon Knight (energy blast)
Post #1266 (5:31PM) Mandarin attacks Hawkeye (ring - fire)
Post #1279 (5:57PM) Sinister attacks Hawkeye (energy blast)
Post #1290 (6:17PM) Silver Surfer attacks Deadpool (power cosmic)
Post #1312 (7:13PM) Captain America attacks Mystique (special attack - identify weak point)
Post #1317 (7:17PM) Captain Marvel attacks Mystique (2nd attack - energy blast)
Post #1323 (7:22PM) Moon Knight attacks Mystique (2nd attack - dart)
Post #1326 (7:23PM) Prof X attacks Mystique (psionic blast)
Post #1341 (7:38PM) Cannonball attacks Hawkeye (rocket blast)
Post #1345 (7:45PM) Hulk attacks Mystique (green fist)
Post #1346 (7:47PM) Mystique attacks Hawkeye (2nd attack - garrot)
Post #1357 (8:20PM) Juggernaut attacks Hawkeye (pounding)
Post #1368 (9:51PM) Storm attacks Mystique

[Qwikshot]

(Gambit)

"Merci, sifting through this is like wading the bayou. I think I am on a dead team, no? Perhaps I should go it alone, or find a new team, one not so quiet eh? I have a concern though with fellow heroes moving from team to team, alas, we cannot find a consistent link to who's a saboteur if we keep moving from team to team, which would make me suspiscious of those moving and those inviting members to move. Easier to hide tracks then no?, just like mah theiving days. Anyone up for some cards?"

[Thomkal]

(Gambit)

"Remy Lebeau is here. I plan to stay awhile."

(Cannonball)

Welcome Gambit. Please don't attack me again. :)

[Poli]

OOC: I'm going to reserve my attack for tonight...near the deadline. I'm going to go take care of some personal stuff now.

DD

[Thomkal]

Thanks Alan for the Day 2 Attacks

[Thomkal]

(Cannonball)

"Ah'have to say I'm not too pleased that both members of my team want to invite people who attacked me on day 1. I especially don't want Moon Knight on the team as he was the one who suggested Ah would be a good target"

[Barkeep49]

Cannonball: That's more than fair. You notice I was just trying to ascertain whether Moon Knight would even be interested in our team. I certainly can understand your reluctance to work with him, however I would also hope that you could think about putting that aside for the greater good. 3 is a somewhat useless number for a team and so finding a fourth seems like something we should do, as I think it's lent us a great advantage in our actions to this point.

[Alan T]

(Cannonball)

"Ah'have to say I'm not too pleased that both members of my team want to invite people who attacked me on day 1. I especially don't want Moon Knight on the team as he was the one who suggested Ah would be a good target"

Cannonball, I think we have to keep an open minded about the personal nature of some attacks. I can't say my decision on day 1 that Ironman would make a good choice was any better. I am far more concerned with the attacks on Mystique out of the blue while we do not know the allegiance of Hawkeye. If we limit ourselves to only people who have not attacked either you or Mystique, we probably are best off continuing with just 3 of us. However that will lessen our effectiveness of attack.

Perhaps the lack of continued attack upon you could be construed as an admittance to mistake and we can let byegones be bygones.

[Barkeep49]

Thank you Warpath for making an even more eloquent presentation of the point I was trying to make. While I hope Cannonball would reconsider his veto against those who have attacked him, I would not want to force on him someone against his will.

[Alan T]

Thank you Warpath for making an even more eloquent presentation of the point I was trying to make. While I hope Cannonball would reconsider his veto against those who have attacked him, I would not want to force on him someone against his will.


I agree. I think from the start we know 25% of the heros here are working for Apocolypse, that means there is a good chance one of our members might have been compromised from the start. We also have a good chance of having one additional member of the 12 in our ranks, and then one ordinary hero that does not belong to the 12.

While the possibility of one of our members being bad is a very real possibility, us choosing to work in unison I agree lessens the chance of the harm they do. I hope my original trust in both you and Canonball was well founded, but continuing to make decisions jointly I think is our best way to constantly readdress that.

[Thomkal]

(Cannonball)

Here are my thoughts on the various targets being suggested.

1)Hawkeye. We need to know whether the attacks on Mystique and Doom were either diversions to keep us from taking out Hawkeye or just happenstance. I am not sure I buy this "aura arrow" that he brings up because he's close to death rather than something he should have used right from the start to give us some early information on a player. Keeping him alive allows him to heal as well as get the energy back he needs for the arrow.

2) Professor X. I'm a bit biased here because he attacked me, who is good though there's no proof of that of course, and one known member of the 12, plus being around another member of the 12 at their time of death. The whole situation with his reveal before the death was announced was just odd. And his claim that he learns a member of the 12 each day could just be a fake because if he's Apoc or a Horseman, he already knows who the 12 are.

3)People who attacked Doom. Seems strange to attack him when no one else stepped forward with any conflicting information about the attack on him. Yeah perhaps the whole doom-bot being destroyed when there was no wreckage from it found is a bit strange, but I also don't think its possible for him to fake it like that. So I have to be a bit suspicious of people who attacked him.

4)People who attacked Iron Man and/or Mystique. Captain Marvel is the only one who attacked both I believe, but I find it unlikely the bad guys would let her attack both of them knowing she'd stand out if she did. I'd really like to look at the people who attacked Mystique on day 2 as I'm sure there has to be some bad guys in on that attack since we now know she's a member of the 12. I think we should be focussing there today.

[Thomkal]

Cannonball: That's more than fair. You notice I was just trying to ascertain whether Moon Knight would even be interested in our team. I certainly can understand your reluctance to work with him, however I would also hope that you could think about putting that aside for the greater good. 3 is a somewhat useless number for a team and so finding a fourth seems like something we should do, as I think it's lent us a great advantage in our actions to this point.

(Cannonball)

"Ah would welcome Moon Knight with open arms to our team if there was proof that he is indeed good. There is none despite various people vouching for him. And not only did he attack me, he also attacked our other teammate Mystique, so Ah really don't think we should be trusting him much right now."

[Blade6119]

I appreciate the offer, but i dont want to cause any ripples in your team chemistry. And i likely would, as the path your group seems intent upon with Hawkeye is one i have stated quite a few times is not one im really willing to take. Mutant First is a fine team, and will find a hero far more suitable then me for its membership, of that im sure. I am honored you would even consider me, but im afraid i must decline.

[Thomkal]

Cannonball, I think we have to keep an open minded about the personal nature of some attacks. I can't say my decision on day 1 that Ironman would make a good choice was any better. I am far more concerned with the attacks on Mystique out of the blue while we do not know the allegiance of Hawkeye. If we limit ourselves to only people who have not attacked either you or Mystique, we probably are best off continuing with just 3 of us. However that will lessen our effectiveness of attack.

Perhaps the lack of continued attack upon you could be construed as an admittance to mistake and we can let byegones be bygones.

(Cannonball)

"Ah'm sorry if Ah'm bein a bit big headed about this, because Ah know that I too made a mistake in attacking Iron Man, but he's attacked two people on our team who are good. Ah am not sure how you can support him as a candidate to join our team given that fact."

[ntndeacon]

Day 2 attacks:

Post #1143 (3:23PM) Mystique attacks Hawkeye (knife)
Post #1161 (3:37PM) Warpath attacks Hawkeye (knife)
Post #1197 (4:22PM) Deadpool attacks Doom (special attack - surgical strike)
Post #1202 (4:28PM) Wolverine attacks Doom (claws)
Post #1206 (4:30PM) Doom activates force field
Post #1224 (4:44PM) Doom attacks Deadpool (mystic)
Post #1227 (4:50PM) Magneto attacks Hawkeye (magnetic pulse)
Post #1244 (5:06PM) Moon Knight attacks Doom (dart)
Post #1245 (5:07PM) Doom activates Doombot
Post #1254 (5:18PM) Venom attacks Deadpool (punch)
Post #1262 (5:25PM) Captain Marvel attacks Moon Knight (energy blast)
Post #1266 (5:31PM) Mandarin attacks Hawkeye (ring - fire)
Post #1279 (5:57PM) Sinister attacks Hawkeye (energy blast)
Post #1290 (6:17PM) Silver Surfer attacks Deadpool (power cosmic)
Post #1312 (7:13PM) Captain America attacks Mystique (special attack - identify weak point)
Post #1317 (7:17PM) Captain Marvel attacks Mystique (2nd attack - energy blast)
Post #1323 (7:22PM) Moon Knight attacks Mystique (2nd attack - dart)
Post #1326 (7:23PM) Prof X attacks Mystique (psionic blast)
Post #1341 (7:38PM) Cannonball attacks Hawkeye (rocket blast)
Post #1345 (7:45PM) Hulk attacks Mystique (green fist)
Post #1346 (7:47PM) Mystique attacks Hawkeye (2nd attack - garrot)
Post #1357 (8:20PM) Juggernaut attacks Hawkeye (pounding)
Post #1368 (9:51PM) Storm attacks Mystique

I thikn Daredevil attacked Mystique closer to the deadline as well. I remember that his billy club put her out of her misery

[Alan T]

I thikn Daredevil attacked Mystique closer to the deadline as well. I remember that his billy club put her out of her misery

You are right, didn't scroll down all the way in my file I guess. Here is the rest of that day 2:

Post #1370 (9:51PM) Captain Britian uses Force Field on Captain Britian
Post #1370 (9:51PM) Captain Britian attacks Mystique (Punch)
Post #1371 (9:53PM) Daredevil attacks Mystique

[Alan T]

Magneto and Cannonball, what do you all think of Venom? I still think Hawkeye is the best choice today, but something about Venom is really starting to -bug- me. I'm trying to put my finger on what exactly.

[Blade6119]

I wont be around much today, i have classes up until pretty close to the deadline. I have an hour break in there around 3:30 my time, so ill place my attack then.

[ntndeacon]

(Gambit)

"Merci, sifting through this is like wading the bayou. I think I am on a dead team, no? Perhaps I should go it alone, or find a new team, one not so quiet eh? I have a concern though with fellow heroes moving from team to team, alas, we cannot find a consistent link to who's a saboteur if we keep moving from team to team, which would make me suspiscious of those moving and those inviting members to move. Easier to hide tracks then no?, just like mah theiving days. Anyone up for some cards?"

(Mandarin)

Pah!
If your team is ineffective, it might be time to leave. Besides someone has already mentioned that the sabatoge is a choice. And given how ineffective we have been How it is likely that that hasn't had to be used as of yet. I am starting to believe that tracking the attacks will be ineffective in terms of points.

[Qwikshot]

(Cannonball)

Welcome Gambit. Please don't attack me again. :)

(OOC)

Funny I don't remember attacking you, I wasn't myself.:p

(please note for quick readers, I replaced Chief Rum)

[Swaggs]

Not too much happening.

I will be at work until close to the deadline. Will try to pop in and get an attack in.

[path12]

Remember, just getting someone's health down to zero does not kill them.

(Silver Surfer)

It doesn't?

[path12]

(ooc) Correct, barring some energy bestowing power someone else might have. In the comics, you might see someone like Monica use her power to amp up other people. Who knows if they have a similar power here.

-Anxiety

(Silver Surfer)

I could help with this. But I am not sure about you yet. I will consider it.

[path12]

(Silver Surfer)

I could help with this. But I am not sure about you yet. I will consider it.

I apologize. I read incorrectly. Health does not equal energy.

[Bonegavel]

(Wolverine)

I still want to remind everyone of the Horse statue found at the attack on DOOM. Non such was found at the attemp on Prof X.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but so far only 2 night kills have been attempted and neither have succeeded.

1 against Doom
1 against Prof X

And the night is when the bad guys get a freebie kill that has nothing to do with energy expenditures.

A few points about this:
1) I guess they can refuse to exercise this attack
2) Other player(s) can kill at night and not be Apoc or a Horseman

That horse has to mean something. Since Doom didn't die and therefore tell us if he was good or bad, we dont' know if that was just a calling card of a Horseman, or that a horse statue appears at the death of a horseman (the Doombot was eliminated).

Doom may have destroyed his own bot and planted the statue (I don't know if hoopsguy would allow this, but I don't see any evidence that he wouldn't. Hoops, would you allow somebody to request this?).

[Alan T]

(Wolverine)

I still want to remind everyone of the Horse statue found at the attack on DOOM. Non such was found at the attemp on Prof X.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but so far only 2 night kills have been attempted and neither have succeeded.

1 against Doom
1 against Prof X

And the night is when the bad guys get a freebie kill that has nothing to do with energy expenditures.

A few points about this:
1) I guess they can refuse to exercise this attack
2) Other player(s) can kill at night and not be Apoc or a Horseman

That horse has to mean something. Since Doom didn't die and therefore tell us if he was good or bad, we dont' know if that was just a calling card of a Horseman, or that a horse statue appears at the death of a horseman (the Doombot was eliminated).

Doom may have destroyed his own bot and planted the statue (I don't know if hoopsguy would allow this, but I don't see any evidence that he wouldn't. Hoops, would you allow somebody to request this?).



It was Sinister who was attacked and killed night 2 not the professor. Sinister was the one visiting the professor on night 2. We know that Sinister was a good guy, so we don't know the nature of the visit on night 2, just that he tried to visit the professor.

[Thomkal]

Magneto and Cannonball, what do you all think of Venom? I still think Hawkeye is the best choice today, but something about Venom is really starting to -bug- me. I'm trying to put my finger on what exactly.

(Cannonball)

I haven't decided on Venom on way or the other. He's aggravating Spidey, but that's natural for him.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

(Cannonball)

I haven't decided on Venom on way or the other. He's aggravating Spidey, but that's natural for him.

Normally I wouldn't find this a cause for alarm, but he didn't start coming after me until a little heat was directed his way when you indicated that the tentacles that the Professor saw could be related to Venom.

SPIDER-MAN

[GoldenEagle]

(Juggernaut)

Warpath, why do you think that Professor X is some sort of seer?

[LoneStarGirl]

(Captain Marvel)

I am afraid that I too, dont have that much energy after my two attacks last night... Unless I feel strongly about the candidate I probably won't be attacking. And I definitly wont be attacking Hawkeye. I still believe we should go after the quieter players..... such as Mathematic and Venom.... and I hate to say it: Hulk

[Poli]

(Juggernaut)

Warpath, why do you think that Professor X is some sort of seer?

Well, it sounds like it to me.

DD

[Alan T]

(Juggernaut)

Warpath, why do you think that Professor X is some sort of seer?

Its a common discussion in larger games that its tougher for the bad guys to win. There just is too many roles and too much information out there with the normal game balance once you get beyond 18+ players. I'm pretty sure Hoops knows this and he probably balanced things out to where the seer type role is split among multiple roles or is a weaker seer role.

I had originally thought that Sinister was our seer after day 1 when he came out vouching for one person (Professor). However that simply doesn't make sense if the person he trusts the most is the one he chose to visit that night. He simply had to have had some other purpose there or other role.

I think the ability to randomly get information about one of the 12 is a very realistic way of watering down a seer role and it at least sounds credible to me. Every day we get to know one more good guy who is a member of the 12 from this role.

I really have a hard time understanding why you would want to kill someone who possibly could be giving us this information? Worst case he is yanking our chain and we eventually kill him at some point. But think of how horrible a mistake it would be that we kill our seer after only giving us 1 other trusted person and not even making the bad guys have to do the dirty work?

[Alan T]

On a different note, a few different people have stated they plan on not using their attack today to conserve energy.

The ONLY way that even makes sense is if you plan on using it for something tonight. Without any night activity, tommorrow day time (day 4) you have the same amount of energy if you attack or don't attack. So all of these people announcing they aren't going to use their attack are either bad and have something bad planned for us tonight, or they are good and are just telegraphing their ability to do something special at night to the bad guys.

Either way, it seems to me that you would need some really special reason to want to not attack during the day, and it only applies to tonight's actions.

[hoopsguy]

Bonegavel/Wolverine:

It isn't my place to discourage people from creating their own reality within their posts in the thread - in a game where people don't have information on powers I that to be a perfectly acceptable strategy.

However, I would not directly aid someone in that kind of effort by integrating their logic into my Day/Night narratives or PMs.

Hopefully that gives you the answer to the question you posed.

[Poli]

On a different note, a few different people have stated they plan on not using their attack today to conserve energy.

The ONLY way that even makes sense is if you plan on using it for something tonight. Without any night activity, tommorrow day time (day 4) you have the same amount of energy if you attack or don't attack. So all of these people announcing they aren't going to use their attack are either bad and have something bad planned for us tonight, or they are good and are just telegraphing their ability to do something special at night to the bad guys.

Either way, it seems to me that you would need some really special reason to want to not attack during the day, and it only applies to tonight's actions.


Seems to me it takes a whole lot to kill someone off.

DD

[ntndeacon]

It was Sinister who was attacked and killed night 2 not the professor. Sinister was the one visiting the professor on night 2. We know that Sinister was a good guy, so we don't know the nature of the visit on night 2, just that he tried to visit the professor.

(Mandarin)

Pah!
We know more than that, you western dog! The needle that Sinister was using was obviously for detecting a genetic shift. Even Professor X admits this much.

[Thomkal]

Normally I wouldn't find this a cause for alarm, but he didn't start coming after me until a little heat was directed his way when you indicated that the tentacles that the Professor saw could be related to Venom.

SPIDER-MAN

(Cannonball)

No need for alarm Spidey. I simply don't know how I feel about him or you yet. I only brought up the tentacles because I was unsure of Venom's and Sinister's powers and wanted some clarification on it. Being Spiderman you should expect Venom to come after you, but I can understand your concern. If you have something outside that natural rivalry that should make us take a more serious look at Venom, then let us know.

[ntndeacon]

(Mandarin)

Even great minds need reference materials. And need help to produce them. I believe in day 2 someone produced a list of who had vouced for who, but Ican not seem to locate that post. Would someone repost that list?

[Alan T]

I don't have it available handily but it was something like this:

Sinister vouched for ProfessorX
ProfessorX vouched for Cpt.America
Cpt.Britian vouched for Cpt.America

I think I was missing one more. MoonKnight vouched for either ProfessorX or Sinister, I would have to go back and look. I believe MoonKnight was saying he trusted ProfessorX based on Sinister's vouching for him