Werewolf LXX Pleasure Cruise - (GAME OVER)

[mccollins]

And if/when he's guilty, I'll be looking HARD at mccollins. There is zero reason to not take the leap of faith with Jackal's story, the only motivation I can construe for him to lie would be to somehow delay time to "save" Pass who was clearly going to get heat today.

My thinking is

clap guilty - mccollins would be next (possibly Taz too)
clap innocent - jackal and passacgalia next

I don't get this. Pass was going to get heat but you mention me first to look HARD at after I vote for him? Taz voted for Pass before me and Path voted for him as well.

I think we can all agree that Pass is a strong suspect for today - are you trying to protect him?

Because Pass still has the drugs and claphamsa is an expendable wolf who has already passed the item he had?

[claphamsa]

yesterday being day 3? or day 4? what day are we on now..... We need to make sure that Jackyl didnt just get the wrong days info, and that he really is lying.

[jeheinz72]

Heinz's crazy finger pointing threw me off;

You mean the part where I mentioned that you more or less completely ignored the true crux of the day in order to not vote claphamsa initially (whereas now of course you will since it's shaping up as a runaway)? That part?

Yeah, I'm not going to forget that should clap come back wolf.

[jeheinz72]

I don't get this. Pass was going to get heat but you mention me first to look HARD at after I vote for him? Taz voted for Pass before me and Path voted for him as well.

I think we can all agree that Pass is a strong suspect for today - are you trying to protect him?

Because Pass still has the drugs and claphamsa is an expendable wolf who has already passed the item he had?

No, I'm not protecting Pass. And had Jackal not come forward, I likely would have voted for him.

What I'm saying is, you cast your vote for Pass without even considering Jackal's statement. This lends me to think that your thought was to try and push Pass up there as far as you could, in order to present at least another candidate in an effort to stop what we're seeing now (clap winning handily).

Basically, if clap comes back wolf, I'm going to look very hard at anyone who shirked the issue altogether (you, Taz, path).

If he comes back innocent, I'll be looking at Pass and Jackal (the one with the most to gain from a diversion and the one who supplied it)

[jeheinz72]

Because Pass still has the drugs and claphamsa is an expendable wolf who has already passed the item he had?

Are you theorizing that both are wolves then, with Jackal? I think that'd be a poor play on their part if it's true.

Or are you saying you're worried because Pass has the drugs and may have lied about it and at the same time Jackal threw clap under the bus to curry favor?

[jeheinz72]

Sonic, NTN, KWhit - What do you guys think? You guys have each kind of been on the down-low at some point in this game and I'd like to see what you think of this mess.

[path12]

"Yes yes (slurp of margarita), I must say when I heard that through the grapevine, it didn't reek of wolf, it barked and bit...now I'm not saying that there aren't multiple suspects, but you have to admit that with our dwindling numbers saying such things is disturbing...we need one suspect to vote on, and off...I made errors in holding off on a vote (once)...but I believe that deviations from one vote one suspect without remarkable waiting for the govenor's pardon a minute before the switch is pulled because of some surprise evidence, that this is what we should do, we /need/ to do, then I can get back to margaritas, and the ladies...those wonderful ladies..."

Mr. Qwik, what worries me the most right now is that bolder wolf play suggests that they are closer to victory than we might think.

[mccollins]

What I'm saying is, you cast your vote for Pass without even considering Jackal's statement.

False. I've explained my reasoning twice and it still makes sense to me:

I dunno - why should I believe Jackal?

4 people go golfing one day and then claphamsa is supposed to have lied and thrown it out there that he went golfing and no one else showed up? This is one of those events where everyone sees each other. If he was going to lie, I figure he'd pick something like flightseeing (well, something that occurs at our location).

Also, I thought someone just pointed out that the murders have been taking place off the boat and thus it might be a bit less suspicious to have stayed on the boat?

I know. And they all saw and identified one another. So why would you take a chance and lie about going there if there existed the possibility that someone could have gone and shown that you were not there?

Thus, I tend to believe you over Jackal. Perhaps that is my mistake. I'll re-evaluate in a few hours after class.

[Qwikshot]

Mr. Qwik, what worries me the most right now is that bolder wolf play suggests that they are closer to victory than we might think.

"True, but we have to get one, to find the scent of another, yes?"

[path12]

What I'm saying is, you cast your vote for Pass without even considering Jackal's statement. This lends me to think that your thought was to try and push Pass up there as far as you could, in order to present at least another candidate in an effort to stop what we're seeing now (clap winning handily).

Heinz, do you have any particular reason to believe Jackal? Curious because his style seems somewhat different this game than in past ones.

[mccollins]

Mr. Qwik, what worries me the most right now is that bolder wolf play suggests that they are closer to victory than we might think.

I was reading the Cylon game a bit last night to try to understand some game mechanics and there were 5-7 Cylon / Cylon affiliated players.

With 7 passengers gone and 15 remaining, if there are 5-7 wolves, we're at 2:1 (with 5) or nearing 1:1 (with 7) !!

[path12]

"True, but we have to get one, to find the scent of another, yes?"

Absolutely. And in case I am poisoned today, my suspect list currently is:

Passacaglia
Lathum
Jackal

......probably in that order.

[path12]

I was reading the Cylon game a bit last night to try to understand some game mechanics and there were 5-7 Cylon / Cylon affiliated players.

With 7 passengers gone and 15 remaining, if there are 5-7 wolves, we're at 2:1 (with 5) or nearing 1:1 (with 7) !!

That game had a higher wolf count than most. But with the hidden mechanics in this game it's very possible that there could be more than usual here as well.......but Qwik's point is a good one, that we need to find one now.

[jeheinz72]

False. I've explained my reasoning twice and it still makes sense to me:

I know you did, but after voting Pass. I read it as a blending in move. Vote the way you want, acknowledge and pick holes in the way you don't want. Then later come to Jesus, see the light and vote with the group once it looks like your initial horse was a loser.

Classic wolf, IMO.

Now, I'll admit, clap could be good, but the way, order and method in which you presented your dissention, is pinging a big-time wolf-dar should he be bad. If he's a passenger though, then I'll whole-heartedly ignore all of this and likely nudge you to "the good".

[mccollins]

VOTE CLAP

Just a reminder, I still have my object that NFG and I assembled. Without coming out and saying what it is, I will give the following information:

*It's a one use item
*From my very limited knowledge of the item, it would inflict a lot of damage and/or kill someone whether they are good or bad
*The fact that nfg had the other piece of this item makes me believe that at the time he had it and passed it to me, he was good.

If anyone would like to make suggestions for who/when to use this item, let me know. I am open to ideas, but am also open to just hanging onto it longer to see what happens.

From the last few posts, it feels like we definitely need to figure this issue out soon.

[jeheinz72]

Heinz, do you have any particular reason to believe Jackal? Curious because his style seems somewhat different this game than in past ones.

I don't know if I do. What I'm basing my vote off is the following:

1) I see no inherent reason for him to make it up. If he did, then he's bad, and Pass likely is too (the only reasoning I can come up with is a diversion for Pass, like they need him to live another day somehow to do something sabotage-related)

2) I think whether clap is good or bad is almost moot at this point (well, to all but clap that is). Getting an answer on him should be more than worth the price of admission as far as figuring out what side some people are by taking this information and relating it to past votes. Heck, if anything, I probably can be painted in a bad light if clap is a wolf, so it's not like I'm being self-serving in that regard.

3) We gotta break some eggs. I think voting on the Pass lying/not-lying is really shirking the issue today. We lynch him and we find out about just him. We lynch clap, we find out a lot more, even if it costs us a passenger

4) I don't know how confident I am in us making it back to Miami. I figure best case, we leave Montego after today, we get delayed only 1 additional day in Haiti and that's it. Potentially, I could see us having 2-3 more days of delay (not counting today) ahead of us. If that's the case, we need to get some wolves ASAP.


Style-wise, I'm not seeing it WRT Jackal. He's posting a lot, he was active a bit back, he seems to have reasons for slowing down a touch lately. What have you noticed?

[jeheinz72]

From the last few posts, it feels like we definitely need to figure this issue out soon.

What Olie should do?

Yeah, I think it's pretty easy

If Clap is good, kill Jackal
If Clap is bad, sit tight and wait to see where we are.

[path12]

Style-wise, I'm not seeing it WRT Jackal. He's posting a lot, he was active a bit back, he seems to have reasons for slowing down a touch lately. What have you noticed?

Well it's just based off of the few games we've played, but as a villager he seems far more analytical then he does this game. To me he's more tossing out things that may be valid or may be red herrings, whereas my impression is that he would normally dig into those things a bit deeper.

[mccollins]

Absolutely. And in case I am poisoned today, my suspect list currently is:

Passacaglia
Lathum
Jackal

......probably in that order.

That's close to my list, but I don't understand Heinz attacking me for you, Taz, and I seeing things the same way. Just because it's not the way he sees things? Heinz you've been on the other side of some of these close votes from me and maybe I'm figuring out why...

I don't like voting against claphamsa, but it's just a gut thing. It seems that if we suspect the people above more then we should vote for one of them.

However, I understand the logic behind "if not claphamsa then jackal", but I don't like doing the wolves a favor and making it 8-0 passengers dead if claphamsa is innocent.

[Qwikshot]

What Olie should do?

Yeah, I think it's pretty easy

If Clap is good, kill Jackal
If Clap is bad, sit tight and wait to see where we are.


"Why did this have to be revealed...if true, then it gives the wolves a target...if it's false, then Olie is UTR. I just don't understand why something like this to be revealed at this time...and why waste it, if Jackal was fed false information, we're down two more passengers (I still am standing behind booting Clap)...but we've had questions concerning Mr. Pass, Jackal (not to be confused the band Jackyl with a Y) and some of Mr. Lathum's thought processes are very questionable...

[jeheinz72]

Well it's just based off of the few games we've played, but as a villager he seems far more analytical then he does this game. To me he's more tossing out things that may be valid or may be red herrings, whereas my impression is that he would normally dig into those things a bit deeper.

Yeah, I can see that point. I have a hard time discerning that stuff once people start laying out that they're busy. I tend to just blindly take that and so I'm reading a lot of "Im busy but here's a quick note...etc"

Probably foolish I know, but I'm a sucker.

Either way though, I think Jackal at this point is also basically moot. His fate is essentially tied to the result on clap. If clap is bad, then Jackal gets pretty near COT for me (since there was someone to corroborate that he even talked to this chick at the bar, olie).

If he's not, then you have to figure he made it up, so I'd vote him, then Pass or Olie (she theoretically could've been "in on it" from the get-go and there was never a blond for him to talk to)

[Qwikshot]

"Look at some point we've all got to face the abyss and the non-votes, the ties (one of which was caused by Mr. Lathum) and the like have probably put us in the hole, I'm not sure claphamsa is 100% guilty, but we have to continue to unwaver in one suspect and go from there...the underground may have a headstart, it's up to us to catch up or at least start determining whether there is valdiation to certain stories."

[jeheinz72]

That's close to my list, but I don't understand Heinz attacking me for you, Taz, and I seeing things the same way. Just because it's not the way he sees things? Heinz you've been on the other side of some of these close votes from me and maybe I'm figuring out why...

I don't like voting against claphamsa, but it's just a gut thing. It seems that if we suspect the people above more then we should vote for one of them.

However, I understand the logic behind "if not claphamsa then jackal", but I don't like doing the wolves a favor and making it 8-0 passengers dead if claphamsa is innocent.

I just don't think you three are truly voting on the task at hand.

I'll admit, Pass very well could be a wolf, but I think you're putting the cart before the horse and being short-sighted as to which fork to persue really is the better method for the boat, long-term. And that's stating your intentions as a best-case, i.e. you're a passenger, way of light. The flip-side is that there is a nefarious reason that you three seemed to ignore a potential wolf caught dead in it's tracks (or a wolf who'll be dead via lying).

[Qwikshot]

Yeah, I can see that point. I have a hard time discerning that stuff once people start laying out that they're busy. I tend to just blindly take that and so I'm reading a lot of "Im busy but here's a quick note...etc"

Probably foolish I know, but I'm a sucker.

Either way though, I think Jackal at this point is also basically moot. His fate is essentially tied to the result on clap. If clap is bad, then Jackal gets pretty near COT for me (since there was someone to corroborate that he even talked to this chick at the bar, olie).

If he's not, then you have to figure he made it up, so I'd vote him, then Pass or Olie (she theoretically could've been "in on it" from the get-go and there was never a blond for him to talk to)

"This is the other question, were passengers recruited to the underground, or did they come on the ship initially...because the next problem is whether those that are telling the truth one day, aren't going to be spreading lies the next....I'm in the camp that maybe one or two passengers could be persuaded to the darkside of the things, you know like Darth Vader, but I'm thinking there was a underground team that came aboard the ship right from the start..."

"That being said, I don't understand how Olie gets implicated other than being under the radar...this is really the first I've heard a passenger call on her virtue, other than Mr. Clap grasping at straws...very peculiar..."

[Lathum]

"I'm sorry and when did the underground not manipulate votes? What if you are wrong about your influence over the vote...you are basically splitting the vote with no guarentee anyone goes to the plank...at this point and time, that's risky, running out of margarita supplies risky...won't stand for it...give a monkey a banana, and he'll be your friend...give a monkey a gun, and well, there is no telling where the poo will be flying...we have to retain some semblance of unity...because there is a percentage vote to influence the captain (ooc: correct me if I'm wrong), then messing with the percentage is a bad thing...if clap is innocent, then jackal (not to be confused with the band Jackyl with a Y!) is shark chum material...just remember the underground has a hell of a monkeywrench and we've yet to find one, /one/ of this group...I'm going to be two days late from home, and I'll be damned if I missed my welcoming party - gonna be foxes and margaritas there!"

Wow. Just wow.

If that doesn't sound wolfish I don't know what would.

Still catching up but I wanted to respond to this.

There is a difference between being wolfish and thinking outside the box.

I am almost certain Path is a wolf and has been planting seeds to get me lynched since he saw an oppritunity.

In response to what Qwik said about the wolves manipulating the vote that could be a good thing because then they out themselves.

Pass will need to be lynched at some point, there is no way with the heat he is taking he will be killed by the wolves. I see no reason to not take the oppritunity to speed that process up a day. It is clear by the fact that Cronin was removed from the boat I have the ability to make this happen.

You may not have to like my point, but you can't say it is illogical.

[claphamsa]

"This is the other question, were passengers recruited to the underground, or did they come on the ship initially...because the next problem is whether those that are telling the truth one day, aren't going to be spreading lies the next....I'm in the camp that maybe one or two passengers could be persuaded to the darkside of the things, you know like Darth Vader, but I'm thinking there was a underground team that came aboard the ship right from the start..."

"That being said, I don't understand how Olie gets implicated other than being under the radar...this is really the first I've heard a passenger call on her virtue, other than Mr. Clap grasping at straws...very peculiar..."
I have said nothign bad about Olie......

[jeheinz72]

"This is the other question, were passengers recruited to the underground, or did they come on the ship initially...because the next problem is whether those that are telling the truth one day, aren't going to be spreading lies the next....I'm in the camp that maybe one or two passengers could be persuaded to the darkside of the things, you know like Darth Vader, but I'm thinking there was a underground team that came aboard the ship right from the start..."

"That being said, I don't understand how Olie gets implicated other than being under the radar...this is really the first I've heard a passenger call on her virtue, other than Mr. Clap grasping at straws...very peculiar..."

Just to clarify, I don't think Olie is a wolf.

I think Jackal's reveal that claphamsa is a wolf is true, and that he did talk to the blond and Olie saw him do it and we're all gravy there.

But I do want to get it out there that if it turns out Jackal lied about all of this, then the person who corroborated his story, Olie, deserves a looking at as well.

But that is far from the task at hand today, or even tomorrow, realistically, but it is worth mentioning.

[Lathum]

Mr. Qwik, what worries me the most right now is that bolder wolf play suggests that they are closer to victory than we might think.

there are 16 people left and it is an AlanT game, there is no way the wolves are close to victory

[Lathum]

Absolutely. And in case I am poisoned today, my suspect list currently is:

Passacaglia
Lathum
Jackal

......probably in that order.

convienient McCollins isn't on that list despite his antics today

[jeheinz72]

Still catching up but I wanted to respond to this.

There is a difference between being wolfish and thinking outside the box.

I am almost certain Path is a wolf and has been planting seeds to get me lynched since he saw an oppritunity.

In response to what Qwik said about the wolves manipulating the vote that could be a good thing because then they out themselves.

Pass will need to be lynched at some point, there is no way with the heat he is taking he will be killed by the wolves. I see no reason to not take the oppritunity to speed that process up a day. It is clear by the fact that Cronin was removed from the boat I have the ability to make this happen.

You may not have to like my point, but you can't say it is illogical.

So you're saying Path is aligned then with Clap as a wolf (since path isn't voting clap and doesn't believe Jackal)?

As far as you and your ability, while I don't think your suggestion is an "evil" one perse, I do think that we need to get to the bottom of the Jackal/Clap nonsense, and since not even you seem all that confident you get to do it again I don't think it's worth us taking the risk and potentially opening ourselves up to late vote movement picking off a villager or getting a no-lynch.

[claphamsa]

there are 16 people left and it is an AlanT game, there is no way the wolves are close to victory

fill us newer players in.... alan would send 3 woves up agasint 19 villegars?

[Lathum]

"Look at some point we've all got to face the abyss and the non-votes, the ties (one of which was caused by Mr. Lathum) and the like have probably put us in the hole, I'm not sure claphamsa is 100% guilty, but we have to continue to unwaver in one suspect and go from there...the underground may have a headstart, it's up to us to catch up or at least start determining whether there is valdiation to certain stories."

show me where I caused a tie, please

[jeheinz72]

there are 16 people left and it is an AlanT game, there is no way the wolves are close to victory

I'd agree. I'd say we're looking at max max max 5 wolves right now. Realistically 3 or 4.

So we're 10:5 (there are 15, not 16), 11:4 or 12:3

I think there will be enough delays to make a 12:3 situation winnable for the wolves if they work it, but I don't think they are necessarily "close" to winning. Even at 10:5, assuming 1 night-kill (and 1 lynchee each day) we can still afford 2 mis-lynches and win.

I'd also say the fact that Anxiety was likely being honest when he was approached and declined (since he is/was a passenger) would help point to the fact that at least once, they've been unsuccessful in getting a convert.

[mccollins]

there are 16 people left and it is an AlanT game, there is no way the wolves are close to victory

15, but who's counting, right?

[jeheinz72]

fill us newer players in.... alan would send 3 woves up agasint 19 villegars?

I think he actually sent 0 wolves or 1 wolf (to start) against the rest. But I also think the convertability odds are much higher this game. I'd bet that each night they have a chance at a forced conversion and/or an asked conversion (ala Anxiety) depending on the 0 or 1 initial wolves. If you look, the village wasn't allowed to win until after Day 4 (or on Day 4, I forget which), so the wolves definitely *started* this game shorthanded.

My money is on 11:4 right now.

[claphamsa]

Since im toast. ill fill in some info.... the item I purchased was a diary, i could use it to pass notes..... Im begining to think the person I passed it to may be a wolf......

[Lathum]

fill us newer players in.... alan would send 3 woves up agasint 19 villegars?

even if there are 5 wolves it would be 11-5, no where near close to over.

Also has anyone else noticed the absence of a seer/ bodyguard, which leads me to believe there is a smaller number of wolves then we may think

[claphamsa]

I think he actually sent 0 wolves or 1 wolf (to start) against the rest. But I also think the convertability odds are much higher this game. I'd bet that each night they have a chance at a forced conversion and/or an asked conversion (ala Anxiety) depending on the 0 or 1 initial wolves. If you look, the village wasn't allowed to win until after Day 4 (or on Day 4, I forget which), so the wolves definitely *started* this game shorthanded.

My money is on 11:4 right now.

interesting....

[Lathum]

So you're saying Path is aligned then with Clap as a wolf (since path isn't voting clap and doesn't believe Jackal)?

As far as you and your ability, while I don't think your suggestion is an "evil" one perse, I do think that we need to get to the bottom of the Jackal/Clap nonsense, and since not even you seem all that confident you get to do it again I don't think it's worth us taking the risk and potentially opening ourselves up to late vote movement picking off a villager or getting a no-lynch.

my point is that if it is a runoff between Pass and Clap it is a win/ win either way, so any late manipulation of votes

A. Wouldn't matter

B. Wouldn't be worth the risk for the wolves

[jeheinz72]

I guess for me, for those still on Pass (or voting Jackal and aren't claphamsa) I'd like to know the reasons why you think Jackal would lie.

I mean, of course, first and foremost we have to make some assumptions

1. He isn't a mis-informed villager somehow
2. He's a wolf himself and this is a 2-faction "instance" (relates to just the village and one other faction, though others may exist).

Now if Jackal is a wolf and is lying here, it can't just be for the 1:1 trade-off of clap dying. That'd be a pretty bad wolf play and Jackal is too experienced to do that and/or he's playing with someone too experienced to recommend that.

So, what then, would be the additional "gain" from the lie?

- Diversion for Pass
- Past vote counts would make current wolves look good if clap is innocent
- They need the time to delay the ship more or convert more wolves (maybe they need more wolves to have a better shot at a forced conversion)

Anything else? What scenarios do you folks see as his motivation?

[jeheinz72]

Since im toast. ill fill in some info.... the item I purchased was a diary, i could use it to pass notes..... Im begining to think the person I passed it to may be a wolf......

Who'd you pass it to?

[Lathum]

Since im toast. ill fill in some info.... the item I purchased was a diary, i could use it to pass notes..... Im begining to think the person I passed it to may be a wolf......

no point in not sharing

[mccollins]

even if there are 5 wolves it would be 11-5, no where near close to over.

Also has anyone else noticed the absence of a seer/ bodyguard, which leads me to believe there is a smaller number of wolves then we may think

I think we may have one... I've got a suspicion, but I obviously don't want to out them.

[path12]

I just don't think you three are truly voting on the task at hand.

I'll admit, Pass very well could be a wolf, but I think you're putting the cart before the horse and being short-sighted as to which fork to persue really is the better method for the boat, long-term. And that's stating your intentions as a best-case, i.e. you're a passenger, way of light. The flip-side is that there is a nefarious reason that you three seemed to ignore a potential wolf caught dead in it's tracks (or a wolf who'll be dead via lying).

I've got no problem with the idea that voting on clap will tell us a lot. I don't even have much of a problem with the idea of switching to him in order to ensure the lynch, as Qwik alludes to.

However, you've already accused mccollins for switching his vote over. Why wouldn't I become just as suspect if I did?

[jeheinz72]

my point is that if it is a runoff between Pass and Clap it is a win/ win either way, so any late manipulation of votes

A. Wouldn't matter

B. Wouldn't be worth the risk for the wolves

I don't know if I'd quite go so far as to say it's a win-win. I think Clap is more likely a wolf than Pass, which ain't sayin' much, but I think the discrepancy in odds is enough that it isn't worth risking it.

I'd rather Olie's sword sort that out for us and we save your possible power for a non-forced close vote if needed.

[Lathum]

dola- another possibiliy is they are both wolves, the wolves knew they were probably going to lose eithe Pass or Clap today so they have the jackyl throw clap under the bus to gain trust.

I can see them doing this if clap is a brutal wolf.

[Lathum]

I don't know if I'd quite go so far as to say it's a win-win. I think Clap is more likely a wolf than Pass, which ain't sayin' much, but I think the discrepancy in odds is enough that it isn't worth risking it.

I'd rather Olie's sword sort that out for us and we save your possible power for a non-forced close vote if needed.

does Ollie have the sword and can she kill someone with it?

If so I say she offs Pass today

[jeheinz72]

I've got no problem with the idea that voting on clap will tell us a lot. I don't even have much of a problem with the idea of switching to him in order to ensure the lynch, as Qwik alludes to.

However, you've already accused mccollins for switching his vote over. Why wouldn't I become just as suspect if I did?

Well, I guess the best way to answer that is, what's done is done. If clap comes up wolf, whether you switch or not, I'll likely still take a look at your past votes and dig in the heels a bit. A reluctance to get on-topic, in my mind, would only up the intensity on that. Does that make sense?

[claphamsa]

I passed the diary to TAZ, I figured that since he was the shakespearean guy he was like a spy or somethign, so he must be fgood.... but he really ahsnt added anythign anywhere.... and its just as posible that hes been turned.

[Lathum]

dola- in case I turn up dead at some point look at Path, he is playing his textbook wolf game.

And anyone who has played with me knows I always play a little off and my behavior always seems wolfish.

[jeheinz72]

does Ollie have the sword and can she kill someone with it?

If so I say she offs Pass today

She says she has an item that can do a lot of damage and/or kill someone

[mccollins]

I don't know if I'd quite go so far as to say it's a win-win. I think Clap is more likely a wolf than Pass, which ain't sayin' much, but I think the discrepancy in odds is enough that it isn't worth risking it.

I'd rather Olie's sword sort that out for us and we save your possible power for a non-forced close vote if needed.

BLAM - me and Anxiety's sword was stolen by the underground. If you know that Olie ended up with it, that is TELLING.

Olie never named her item...

[jeheinz72]

I passed the diary to TAZ, I figured that since he was the shakespearean guy he was like a spy or somethign, so he must be fgood.... but he really ahsnt added anythign anywhere.... and its just as posible that hes been turned.

If he's a wolf and you're a passenger, why isn't he voting for you though? I mean he cast his vote early, so it's not like he'd realistically get called out for piling on.

[jeheinz72]

BLAM - me and Anxiety's sword was stolen by the underground. If you know that Olie ended up with it, that is TELLING.

Olie never named her item...

mis-speak by me, go ahead and read into that if you want, but I'm posting like a madman and didn't check facts. I actually posted her correct description earlier though, if that helps.

But if you want to run with that, be my guest, I"m no wolf. No nothing actually. I'm essentially a big giant zero in this game since the early action.

[claphamsa]

i think he said he had to go to work or somethign

[mccollins]

What was in the diary? Were any notes ever successfully passed?

[claphamsa]

When did mccoolins have anythign to do with the sword?

[claphamsa]

What was in the diary? Were any notes ever successfully passed?
nothign... and no I was tryign to think of ways to use it, and then almsot died.

[path12]

convienient McCollins isn't on that list despite his antics today

What antics? Preferring to vote Pass rather than clap?

I can see him as being a perfect conversion target and that's the only suspicion I have on him. He would be in a Pentagon of Paranoia though.

[jeheinz72]

When did mccoolins have anythign to do with the sword?

He passed half of it to Anxiety, IIRC

[mccollins]

But if you want to run with that, be my guest, I"m no wolf. No nothing actually. I'm essentially a big giant zero in this game since the early action.

Same here - my highlight have been passing the sword hilt to Anxiety and getting stung in the foot.

[claphamsa]

He passed half of it to Anxiety, IIRC
oh ok

[path12]

I think he actually sent 0 wolves or 1 wolf (to start) against the rest. But I also think the convertability odds are much higher this game. I'd bet that each night they have a chance at a forced conversion and/or an asked conversion (ala Anxiety) depending on the 0 or 1 initial wolves. If you look, the village wasn't allowed to win until after Day 4 (or on Day 4, I forget which), so the wolves definitely *started* this game shorthanded.

My money is on 11:4 right now.

I'd say 10:5 but I think these discussions are usually worthless before any wolves are found.

[oliegirl]

Since im toast. ill fill in some info.... the item I purchased was a diary, i could use it to pass notes..... Im begining to think the person I passed it to may be a wolf......

Who did you pass it to?

[claphamsa]

alos, we were talking about when things got passed. I passed him the iary when we were gettign off the boat. and he might have noticed me passing it to him, not sure.

[claphamsa]

Im tryign to think of any more info I can give out to help :)

If you have questions ask :)

[Lathum]

She says she has an item that can do a lot of damage and/or kill someone

when did she say this and why shouldn't she use it on Pass?

[claphamsa]

I agree. just shoot pass and be done with it!

[jeheinz72]

VOTE CLAP

Just a reminder, I still have my object that NFG and I assembled. Without coming out and saying what it is, I will give the following information:

*It's a one use item
*From my very limited knowledge of the item, it would inflict a lot of damage and/or kill someone whether they are good or bad
*The fact that nfg had the other piece of this item makes me believe that at the time he had it and passed it to me, he was good.

If anyone would like to make suggestions for who/when to use this item, let me know. I am open to ideas, but am also open to just hanging onto it longer to see what happens.

It was here Lathum

[oliegirl]

Dola, I'm not sure where you guys all got the idea that I had the ability to "kill" anyone...I tried to make it clear that I don't know if it's a lethal weapon or not...I'm sure it would do harm, but I have no way of knowing how much harm. As far as I know, me using this on someone, wolf or not, does not guarantee their death.

[path12]

dola- in case I turn up dead at some point look at Path, he is playing his textbook wolf game.

And anyone who has played with me knows I always play a little off and my behavior always seems wolfish.

Didn't you poison me? I'd say I'm more likely to turn up dead than you are.

You are so wolf it's not funny. I feel like Heinz in the seer game. :D

[jeheinz72]

FTR, I have no problem with her using it on Pass, not one bit. Especially if we get that in addition to a lynch of clap today. I'd say the odds that both of those two are passengers is pretty damn low.

[jeheinz72]

Dola, I'm not sure where you guys all got the idea that I had the ability to "kill" anyone...I tried to make it clear that I don't know if it's a lethal weapon or not...I'm sure it would do harm, but I have no way of knowing how much harm. As far as I know, me using this on someone, wolf or not, does not guarantee their death.

I understand that, didn't mean to imply otherwise.

But kill or no kill, if it harms someone, I'd say after clap (but not knowing his guilt/innocence) the best target is Pass.

[path12]

I'll go ahead and risk the heat by joining the bandwagon. It's not like I've been cautious yet this game.

UNVOTE PASS
VOTE CLAPHAMSA

[mccollins]

when did she say this and why shouldn't she use it on Pass?

Lathum, here it is:
VOTE CLAP

Just a reminder, I still have my object that NFG and I assembled. Without coming out and saying what it is, I will give the following information:

*It's a one use item
*From my very limited knowledge of the item, it would inflict a lot of damage and/or kill someone whether they are good or bad
*The fact that nfg had the other piece of this item makes me believe that at the time he had it and passed it to me, he was good.

If anyone would like to make suggestions for who/when to use this item, let me know. I am open to ideas, but am also open to just hanging onto it longer to see what happens.

[jeheinz72]

Didn't you poison me? I'd say I'm more likely to turn up dead than you are.

You are so wolf it's not funny. I feel like Heinz in the seer game. :D

I'd agree that one of you is not a passenger. Can't say which yet, but thankfully, that's not today's problem.

[Lathum]

Didn't you poison me? I'd say I'm more likely to turn up dead than you are.

You are so wolf it's not funny. I feel like Heinz in the seer game. :D

if I was a wolf would i come right out and say I was gonna poinon you then actually do it?

[The Jackal]

Clap - it just said "yesterday" and I assumed that with it being the middle of the night, it referred to the most recent "day action phase", but I don't recall you being on the ship the day before either, so does it really matter?

[claphamsa]

yes?

[Lathum]

if you are all gonna lynch me please wait until thursday. k. thx.

[claphamsa]

I was on the beach, I was shopping, I was on the boat, I went flying, and I played golf. in that order....

We can hang out in the iI got killed ealry threat after I come back inoocent and you get lynched!

[claphamsa]

if you are all gonna lynch me please wait until thursday. k. thx.
why thursday?

[mccollins]

if I was a wolf would i come right out and say I was gonna poinon you then actually do it?

Yes? To gain trust?

[The Jackal]

Just to clear that up, where did clap say he went the day before golfing?

[claphamsa]

Correction, Turn 4 I went flying, Trun 5 I was on the boat, and Turn 6 I went golfin.f

[The Jackal]

Okay, thank you clap. It said you didn't go anywhere, so whether it was referring to the most recent day or the one before it, it says you are lying.

[Lathum]

Yes? To gain trust?

how exactly would poisining someone gain me trust?

[The Jackal]

You were on the boat turn 5, why?

[mccollins]

I was on the beach, I was shopping, I was on the boat, I went flying, and I played golf. in that order....

We can hang out in the iI got killed ealry threat after I come back inoocent and you get lynched!

Here's what I have written down on my notes. I was too busy over the weekend so I still haven't caught those up.

Day 1: Got drunk on the beach
Day 2: Snorkeling with Jackal and Passacaglia
Day 3: Shopping @ Pawn Shop, got $25 of "crap" (Diary?)
Day 4: Flightseeing (easy to lie with that one)
Day 5: I don't have written down
Day 6: Golf by himself (on Day 5 all the golfers saw each other).

[claphamsa]

The only reason no one saw me golfing is cuz there was no one else doing it.!


on day 5 Iw as too busy not gettign lynched to send in an action.

[mccollins]

how exactly would poisining someone gain me trust?

That you're able to do what you say you can do?

You've positioned yourself as the villager with crew powers; the contention is that the captain wouldn't know if you were a part of the underground so you could actually be a wolf with crew powers.

[The Jackal]

Well if he said he was on the boat in the thread then its possible the list was referring to day 5 and that he isn't lying. I'd look for it but I'm on my phone...

[Alan T]

Catching up, I fully agree with Qwik that we need to be united today. No messing around. There are 7 people (all passengers!!) gone now and only 15 remain. We'll follow the logical progression from the outcome of the vote today.

Unvote Jackal
Vote Claphamsa


Heinz's crazy finger pointing threw me off; I actually need to
Unvote Passacaglia
instead of Jackal.

If you intended to revote for Claphamsa, please do me a favor and make sure to revote again just to make it official and not an interpretation decision on my part!

[The Jackal]

Well, crap, I do remember you saying that. Did anything bad happen on the boat on day 5? If not, I can't think of a reason to keep this vote on clap, I don't want two villagers getting lynched in a row for confusion in a PM.

[jeheinz72]

Ok guys, I have a night choice tonight.

That chick I'm with is the event coordinator for the cruiselines - is there anyone who we think may have lied about their excursion yesterday? I can check on the whereabouts of one person.

I'll take any suggestions.

Here is Jackal's initial note about it, posted during after the vote deadline (but before the decision deadline) yesterday.

Now re-reading this, it does enter in some doubt.

[The Jackal]

I'm thinking everyone better re-vote for Pass, I apologize for leading us on a run because of a misinterpretation issue.

That is unless people feel that he did something bad on day 5 on the boat and was telling the truth about missing sending in an action

[jeheinz72]

First game or not, im pretty convinced that mr collins, isa wolf. a n00b, not very good wlf, but one none he less. so ... yeah , i think hes bad. Jackyl seems kinda bad as well :)

Looking back at clap's old posts (to verify he did say he was on the boat, which he did do).

This post struck me.

[Lathum]

That you're able to do what you say you can do?

You've positioned yourself as the villager with crew powers; the contention is that the captain wouldn't know if you were a part of the underground so you could actually be a wolf with crew powers.

but if I was a wolf how does this help me any?

Once path comes back sick the only way I gain any benefit is if he is a wolf

[claphamsa]

why

[path12]

Yes? To gain trust?

That's only valid if I'm a wolf.

[claphamsa]

Looking back at clap's old posts (to verify he did say he was on the boat, which he did do).

This post struck me.
why

[The Jackal]

Uh maybe we can look at how some people responded to the clap run to try and identify wolves but I'm thinking for now I don't feel confident lynching him on the info I got.

unvote clap

Vote pass

[mccollins]

If you intended to revote for Claphamsa, please do me a favor and make sure to revote again just to make it official and not an interpretation decision on my part!

Following orders - sorry that was confusing...
Unvote Pass
Vote Claphamsa

[claphamsa]

::sob::

[claphamsa]

I think its a bit late Jackyl!

[path12]

if I was a wolf would i come right out and say I was gonna poinon you then actually do it?


Well, you say you're not a wolf but that you are positive I am. So yeah, if you are good there's no better target for you, right?

And if you are a wolf you might be able to get two more passengers today and then play the "OMG I AM SO SHOCKED HE WAS A PASSENGER WASN'T HE SUSPICIOUS EVERYONE WASN'T HE????" card......

[jeheinz72]

why

Because it just seemed strange that

A) You'd say mccollins is for sure a wolf (I'm actually leaning against that at the moment)

B) You'd put yourself opposite Jackal like that

Just two things that given the events of the day ping my radar

[The Jackal]

And believe me I don't want a tie.. Please share your thoughts, in light of the fact clap didn't leave the boat day 5, I'd say pass is a better target, yes?

[jeheinz72]

"OMG I AM SO SHOCKED HE WAS A PASSENGER WASN'T HE SUSPICIOUS EVERYONE WASN'T HE????" card......

Haha, not that I agree, but I could totally see Lathum doing that (nefarious or not). Ha.

[jeheinz72]

I can't decide if we should switch or if we just happen to round-about get lucky and still get a wolf.

argh.

[mccollins]

Here is Jackal's initial note about it, posted during after the vote deadline (but before the decision deadline) yesterday.

Now re-reading this, it does enter in some doubt.

At that point in time, day 5 is "yesterday" and clap was on the ship. Day 6 and solo golfing would have been "today".

For me, I'm going back to my gut, back to the vote I would have put in before 10pm yesterday, but had to wait until after 10pm.

Maybe I'm easily swayed, but this puts both clap and jackal in a semi-circle of trust for me.

Unvote Claphamsa
Vote Passacaglia

[path12]

UNVOTE CLAPHAMSA
VOTE PASSACAGLIA

[Lathum]

Well, you say you're not a wolf but that you are positive I am. So yeah, if you are good there's no better target for you, right?

.

show me where I say I am positive you are a wolf?

it was actualy YOU who called ME a wollf.

[mccollins]

That's only valid if I'm a wolf.

Path and Lathum, you two are confusing the crap out of me. For all I know, you could both be wolves, bickering in public, and throwing off-votes on each other as a delay tactic while you try to accomplish your wolf goals.

[path12]

Maybe I'm easily swayed, but this puts both clap and jackal in a semi-circle of trust for me.

Actually almost makes me feel the opposite. There's plenty of time for the switch to occur. I was tempted to leave it on clap. I still might change it back.

[Qwikshot]

"Sorry folks, I'm not buying...this is the break wolves need to split the vote..."

[mccollins]

Now would be a good time for the people with a low quantity of posts to show up....

[path12]

show me where I say I am positive you are a wolf?




I am almost certain Path is a wolf and has been planting seeds to get me lynched since he saw an oppritunity.

Oops, you said "almost certain" and not "positive". My bad.

[path12]

Path and Lathum, you two are confusing the crap out of me. For all I know, you could both be wolves, bickering in public, and throwing off-votes on each other as a delay tactic while you try to accomplish your wolf goals.

Welcome to Hollywood. Could be, but isn't. I think Lathum is though.

[Lathum]

You are so wolf it's not funny. I feel like Heinz in the seer game. :D

and this is what you said.

so tell us please greybush, how are you so sure?

other that the fact you think I am a wolf every game?

[claphamsa]

unvote jackyl
vote passacaligula

[Lathum]

I don't even care if I get lynched, as long as it's on thursday and as long as you get Path next.

now the smart thing for the wolves to do would be kill Path to set me up.

[mccollins]

@Lathum: Why do you keep referring to Thursday? And what's a greybush?

[path12]

and this is what you said.

so tell us please greybush, how are you so sure?

other that the fact you think I am a wolf every game?

First of all, it was one, not the whole damn thing. :mad: Maybe two now, I'm afraid to check.

I don't think you're a wolf every game. But the fact that you usually are on my suspect list means that for me to come after you this hard means that I'm getting the vibe much more than usual.

This actually reminds me of that small game that came down to you, DC and I, with you and I screaming that the other was bad that whole last day and torturing poor DC. Of course, she voted me off and you won that as the last wolf......

[path12]

unvote jackyl
vote passacaligula


I <3 clapham.

[Lathum]

LOL

[mccollins]

now the smart thing for the wolves to do would be kill Path to set me up.

That sounds like you laying the groundwork for something that's about to happen.

You poison him and he dies or a wolf puts something (Pass's drugs?) in his food and kills him and we can't tell who actually did the deed...

[Lathum]

That sounds like you laying the groundwork for something that's about to happen.

You poison him and he dies or a wolf puts something (Pass's drugs?) in his food and kills him and we can't tell who actually did the deed...

and again I ask you.

if I was a wolf what would I have to gain?

[Qwikshot]

and again I ask you.

if I was a wolf what would I have to gain?


"Chill out Mr. Lathum, you always get so blustery...why are dividing the vote? With 45 minutes to deadline, we're setting ourselves up..."

[jeheinz72]

I'm also curious about this Lathum/Thursday business.

[jeheinz72]

Maybe I'm easily swayed, but this puts both clap and jackal in a semi-circle of trust for me.




I'm tempted to switch, but I'm waiting.

I'd be wary of putting both in any sort of COT though, personally.

[path12]

"Chill out Mr. Lathum, you always get so blustery...why are dividing the vote? With 45 minutes to deadline, we're setting ourselves up..."

Mr. Qwik, a question. Do you think it more likely that Mr. Passacaligula is a wolf or that Mr. claphamsa is -- taking into account Mr. The Jackal's recantation of his accusation.

Or is it just the fact that you believe that we can't get enough people to switch at this point with 45 minutes remaining until deadline?

[mccollins]

and again I ask you.

if I was a wolf what would I have to gain?

As someone else stated, if you knock off Path by poisoning him and he turns up a villager, then all you have to do is play the "Wow! He really was suspicious, wasn't he?!" card.

[jeheinz72]

Anyone have a count?

I'm leaning at this point to switching to Pass with Olie using her harmful item on one of Path/Lathum

Anyone else find it odd that Pass has been MIA today? He's normally a big poster this time of day.

[Lathum]

"Chill out Mr. Lathum, you always get so blustery...why are dividing the vote? With 45 minutes to deadline, we're setting ourselves up..."
i'm completly chill, just trying to get in his head and see what he;s getting at


anyoone have a vote count?

[Qwikshot]

Mr. Qwik, a question. Do you think it more likely that Mr. Passacaligula is a wolf or that Mr. claphamsa is -- taking into account Mr. The Jackal's recantation of his accusation.

Or is it just the fact that you believe that we can't get enough people to switch at this point with 45 minutes remaining until deadline?


"Second option most definately...plus this calls into question that this could be an elaborate method of keeping both out of the fire...seriously this is just so late, whether it is true or not, if we tie again, we're gonna be in hot water..."

[mccollins]

I'm tempted to switch, but I'm waiting.


I haven't been able to keep up with everyone's votes as well today with all the switching, but I don't even have you down for a vote today heinz. If you're currently voting for clap, then that would make my unofficial vote count as:

7-5 Clap over Pass with no off votes.

[claphamsa]

crap! I have my booring 2 hour staff meeting in 15 min :'(

[Lathum]

As someone else stated, if you knock off Path by poisoning him and he turns up a villager, then all you have to do is play the "Wow! He really was suspicious, wasn't he?!" card.

I just don't get your line of thinking here.

Don't you think as a wolf I would just have poisened him and said nothing about it and let you guys speculate about it?

[mccollins]

Alan, can we get an official vote count?

[Qwikshot]

I haven't been able to keep up with everyone's votes as well today with all the switching, but I don't even have you down for a vote today heinz. If you're currently voting for clap, then that would make my unofficial vote count as:

7-5 Clap over Pass with no off votes.

"If that's the case, we're screwed either way..."

[path12]

"Second option most definately...plus this calls into question that this could be an elaborate method of keeping both out of the fire...seriously this is just so late, whether it is true or not, if we tie again, we're gonna be in hot water..."

Fair enough. I don't disagree. We learn from this as well.

UNVOTE PASSACAGLIA
VOTE CLAPHAMSA

[mccollins]

I just don't get your line of thinking here.

Don't you think as a wolf I would just have poisened him and said nothing about it and let you guys speculate about it?

No, because most of us still don't believe your rope cutting story or your vain attempts to get us to believe it again just because Alan mentioned the fact that boats need to be tied up.

I think you would do this to attempt to gain the trust that your rope cutting story hasn't gotten you.

Yes, the dinner was nice, but you could still be a wolf doing those things. Especially getting Cronin knocked off.

[Qwikshot]

OOC: I can't believe it's that close...I must've lost track.

[Qwikshot]

No, because most of us still don't believe your rope cutting story or your vain attempts to get us to believe it again just because Alan mentioned the fact that boats need to be tied up.

I think you would do this to attempt to gain the trust that your rope cutting story hasn't gotten you.

Yes, the dinner was nice, but you could still be a wolf doing those things. Especially getting Cronin knocked off.


"Yeah man, I mean Hannibal Lecter was a good cook and I still wouldn't eat with him..."

[mccollins]

Fair enough. I don't disagree. We learn from this as well.

UNVOTE PASSACAGLIA
VOTE CLAPHAMSA

Unofficially: 8-4 Clap over pass

I'm NOT switching again. I'm sticking with voting off the silent Pass.

[Qwikshot]

OOC: I off to a meeting at the credit union and then home...good luck to all, cya after 4pm EST

[mccollins]

I just don't get your line of thinking here.

Don't you think as a wolf I would just have poisened him and said nothing about it and let you guys speculate about it?

OR if you're both wolves, then this move to kill Path by poisoning (if it would kill him) would REALLY be a move to gain trust. Since you have the crew power, you're obviously a more valuable wolf than Path (that is, if you both happen to be wolves).

[mccollins]

Fair enough. I don't disagree. We learn from this as well.

UNVOTE PASSACAGLIA
VOTE CLAPHAMSA

Why would you do this? If Claphamsa's story checks out and Jackal misunderstood, then we've lost a passenger and Jackal isn't really as hot of a target as before the misunderstanding unraveled...

[Lathum]

I think you would do this to attempt to gain the trust that your rope cutting story hasn't gotten you.



i feel like I am banging my head into a wall.

how does poising Path gain me trust, it only does if he is a wolf.

If I am a wolf then I know Path is a villager. As a wolf then putting that kind of unnecessary scrutiny on myself makes no sense at all. I would just poison him and let you all twist in the wind about it.

[nfg22]

just to clear it all up. The weapon Oliegirl should have is the gun. I passed her a bullet and hopefully she had the gun. That means probably a one shot kill. With the way this game is going tho, she might get arrested for killing someone....

[mccollins]

La la la, talking to myself with 11 in the thread (9 current players)...

[Lathum]

OR if you're both wolves, then this move to kill Path by poisoning (if it would kill him) would REALLY be a move to gain trust. Since you have the crew power, you're obviously a more valuable wolf than Path (that is, if you both happen to be wolves).

i doubt it will kill him. I just want him to suffer.

and that play doesn't make much sense. Why would Path come after me for no real reason if we were both wolves?

[mccollins]

i feel like I am banging my head into a wall.

how does poising Path gain me trust, it only does if he is a wolf.

If I am a wolf then I know Path is a villager. As a wolf then putting that kind of unnecessary scrutiny on myself makes no sense at all. I would just poison him and let you all twist in the wind about it.

As has been stated 3 times now, all you would have to do is say "Whoops! He sure was suspicious to me!" (But that's only the case if Path is a passenger)

[jeheinz72]

Here's what I have, let me know if anything is incorrect, sorry for the shorthand of names


clap (9): Lathum (2429), CR (2452), nfg22 (2454), Qwik (2455), jeheinz72 (2469), SY (2475), Olie (2491), KWhit (2494), path (2642)

Pass (4): Taz (2430), Jackal (2602), mccollins (2611), clap (2621)

No vote: Passacaglia, ntnDeacon

[mccollins]

i doubt it will kill him. I just want him to suffer.

and that play doesn't make much sense. Why would Path come after me for no real reason if we were both wolves?

To distract us! Which you're doing a great job of with 23 minutes before deadline!

[jeheinz72]

If it stays 9-4, I'm definitely not moving my vote.

I want a lynch.

[mccollins]

If we think Claph is innocent and Jackal's report was a misunderstanding, then there is no reason not to switch. We lose clap and Jackal is not really a lead ...

At least 4 of the 9 voting for Clap are reading the thread and Pass has been hanging around silently for a while now too.

[Lathum]

As has been stated 3 times now, all you would have to do is say "Whoops! He sure was suspicious to me!" (But that's only the case if Path is a passenger)

which if I was a wolf I would know he was a passanger.

Which makes that play as a wolf pointless.

[TazFTW]

Unofficially: 8-4 Clap over pass

I'm NOT switching again. I'm sticking with voting off the silent Pass.


Maybe he took the drugs instead of giving them away
Did he post at all after the deadline?
or is he just being silent since it seems the votes went and sway
FYI I did receive a diary from Clap just fine.

[jeheinz72]

If we think Claph is innocent and Jackal's report was a misunderstanding, then there is no reason not to switch. We lose clap and Jackal is not really a lead ...

At least 4 of the 9 voting for Clap are reading the thread and Pass has been hanging around silently for a while now too.

I'm not ruling out that it was a red-herring from the get-go. I mean, if you think about it, it was potentially brilliant (see your statement about putting them both into your COT, assuming you're a passenger, which I do right now).

I'd say at this point I'm not ruling that possiblity out enough to warrant putting getting a lynch at risk. If Pass shoots up a few more, I'm more likely to switch over.

[oliegirl]

Gah...I'm hesitant to move my vote if it's really still 8-4 b/c we need to lynch someone today...with only 13 minutes left I'm not sure how many other people will be switching.

[Lathum]

when was the last time NTNDeacon was even in the thread?

[mccollins]

ntndeacon last made a post on the forums on April 10th:
http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/search.php?searchid=230354

[path12]

Why would you do this? If Claphamsa's story checks out and Jackal misunderstood, then we've lost a passenger and Jackal isn't really as hot of a target as before the misunderstanding unraveled...

In case we need a certain threshold of votes.

[jeheinz72]

when was the last time NTNDeacon was even in the thread?


Good question. SY has been quiet too (even when it's posting time for him in Austrailia).

I have to admit, in the back of my mind I'm a touch worried that we're getting UTR'd here.

I count 6 conversation movers: path, me, lathum, clap, pass, Mcccollins
A few kinda around folks who seem busy outside of the game: Jackal, nfg, olie, CR
A few in and out folks: Taz, Kwhit, Qwik
A few who people who have all but vanished: SY, NTN

[path12]

i doubt it will kill him. I just want him to suffer.



Bastard.

[Lathum]

lol

[Lathum]

ntn is usualy quiet but this is really quiet, even by his standards.

[mccollins]

In case we need a certain threshold of votes.

I agree, but 25-30 minutes until deadline would have been plenty of time.

Now what do we do when Clap turns up as a passenger? Jackal's info was a misunderstanding. If Pass used the drugs on himself and that's why he's silent then I think that actually slightly lessens the likelihood he's a wolf.

Then we've gained nothing. I'm leaning towards Heinz's UTR thoughts as well.

[Lathum]

unvote Clap
Vote Pass

[Alan T]

Deadline

[Passacaglia]

Gee, I feel loved. It took only 23 hours to notice that I haven't been able to post all day, after talking about lynching and killing me? I even got called a conversation mover at the end! Anyway, here's the dealio. I really did give the drugs to PB. I crushed them into his drink, but he took off before drinking it. I got confused, and forgot which drink was his. Apparently, I'm not the brightest guy in the world, and just *had* to drink one of them, and ended up drinking his. As a result, I was knocked out, and was unable to perform any action that day, and also had been unable to post today, which was really hard to do with everyone after me!

Okay...breathe...breathe...

[Alan T]

This is what I have for a vote count. Someone correct me if it is incorrect:

(8) claphamsa - The Jackal (2425), Chief Rum (2452), nfg22 (2454), qwikshot (2455), jeheinz72 (2469), Sonic Youth (2475), Oliegirl (2491), Kwhit (2494), path12 (2642)

(5) Passacaglia - Tazftw (2430), the jackal (2602), mccollins (2611), claphamsa, lathum (2672)

[jeheinz72]

Haha, I factored that in (hence calling you a conversation mover nonetheless).

I don't know if I 100% buy it, but I figured something was up in some fashion

[Lathum]

OK, I have an idea.

Yesterday my vote for Cronin carried extra weight and everyone got the boot.

Now that may have been a 1 time thing, I don't know. But why not try and keep the vote semi close and I'll vote for Passacaglia at the deadline.

If we keep it close enough it's possible both Pass and Clap get voted off today.

thanks for the help with this!!!

I have no idea if it will work or not.

[mccollins]

Haha Lathum you are so shady. What's the deal with that vote switch with a minute to go?

I'm assuming it is to see what your "heavy vote" power does.
If it's 8-5 now with 15 on board, that's still over 50% for claph.
If your vote is worth 3 or 4, would it be feasible that it might be enough to knock both off?

[Lathum]

I am starting to think there are no wolves.

except maybe Path

[path12]

I am starting to think there are no wolves.

except maybe Path

I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dammit, why doesn't anyone listen? :mad: :mad: :mad:

[mccollins]

I am starting to think there are no wolves.

except maybe Path

If there are only 3 then it would make sense for them to stay UTR until we kill enough of ourselves.

[Lathum]

I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dammit, why doesn't anyone listen? :mad: :mad: :mad:

knew waht?

[Lathum]

I need to take a nap, I hope AlanT hurries

[path12]

Haha Lathum you are so shady. What's the deal with that vote switch with a minute to go?

I'm assuming it is to see what your "heavy vote" power does.
If it's 8-5 now with 15 on board, that's still over 50% for claph.
If your vote is worth 3 or 4, would it be feasible that it might be enough to knock both off?

I have a bad feeling the game is about to end soon.

[Lathum]

no one should be surprised I switched since I was advocating that strategy all along

[Lathum]

I have a bad feeling the game is about to end soon.

I would be shocked

[path12]

Swap Clapham for Jackal on my suspect list.

[Lathum]

Swap Clapham for Jackal on my suspect list.

it's good you are getting these thoughts out in the open now.

You may be spending alot of time in the bathroom over the next day.

[path12]

it's good you are getting these thoughts out in the open now.

You may be spending alot of time in the bathroom over the next day.


I think it's just as likely you killed me, which is why I wanted to get it out there now......but yeah, either way I don't expect to be able to post.

[Alan T]

In what you hope to be the final day for you in Montego Bay, the captain prepares to allow everyone to leave for the local points of interest. Just before he opens the gate, the captain stops and picks up the Microphone instead.. He announces, "Perhaps I shouldn't listen to you as close as I do... but once again enough people have come forth with some concern about one of your fellow passengers...." He looks around and then points at Claphamsa ,"Crew please see this visitor off of the ship, he no longer is welcomed here!" The crewmen walk over and escort him off of the ship. Claphamsa has been kicked off of the ship by the captain.

The captain starts undoing the chains that lock up the gates and open the doors for everyone to leave.. He stops Passacaglia as he is exiting the ship however, "Take this one off too.. I don't want him around either." Passacaglia has also been removed from the ship.

It is event response phase of turn 7. I will be sending out PMs shortly. Those with events to respond to should get their responses to me by 10pm EST tonight.

[oliegirl]

NFG put himself at the top of my suspect list by coming out and saying exactly what my item was...I'd made it very clear that I didn't want to publicize it for fear of being killed by wolves and he outed me anyway.

I don't have time right now to go back and dig through the thread, but does anyone know through vote counts, etc...to see if there has been anything shade or suspicious on his part?

[Passacaglia]

Thanks assholes! :)

[Lathum]

I seriously think there are no wolves.

I mean it.

[jeheinz72]

Thanks assholes! :)

Whatever Mr. Underground! HA!

[Lathum]

9) Passacaglia - Removed from the ship by the Captain Turn 7 - UNDERGROUND


BAM

[Lathum]

Anyone wanna question my theory now?

[Passacaglia]

Whatever Mr. Underground! HA!

Still, a little pity would have been nice. You try not posting all day, when everyone's trying to vote you off!

[Lathum]

I think we need to look at the people who voted Pass early today.

I think that was Path and McCollins. I think they were certain Clap would be lynched and their voting on Pass was a "safe" vote that they could reference down the road after we inevetably lynched Pass.

[path12]

Anyone wanna question my theory now?

What, the one where you throw the already suspect wolf under the bus to get trust?

[jeheinz72]

I'm considering Jackal, Path and the UTR folks right now.

Mccollins I'm ok with. The way he reacted to a few things just didn't seem like a wolf lying in wait to me.

[mccollins]

NFG put himself at the top of my suspect list by coming out and saying exactly what my item was...I'd made it very clear that I didn't want to publicize it for fear of being killed by wolves and he outed me anyway.

I don't have time right now to go back and dig through the thread, but does anyone know through vote counts, etc...to see if there has been anything shade or suspicious on his part?

Been very quiet, has some necklace, voted for None (RL busy on day 1), Anxiety, Swaggs, Anxiety, Claphamsa, Claphamsa.

I don't know if that adds up to super suspicious though...

[The Jackal]

Sorry clap, you can blame that one on me. I wish you/someone had reminded the thread that you were on the boat that day before like an hour beofre the deadline. :(

Still, nice to nail an underground member. Are we thinking one of lathum/path is bad?

[Lathum]

What, the one where you throw the already suspect wolf under the bus to get trust?

omg are you serious right now..

let it go man, admit you were wrong

[path12]

I'm considering Jackal, Path and the UTR folks right now.

Mccollins I'm ok with. The way he reacted to a few things just didn't seem like a wolf lying in wait to me.


Jackal was the one who backed off clap. It was determined there wasn't enough time to switch, but technically there was almost two hours, right? I think Jackal is bumped up a couple notches in my mind.

[KWhit]

Excellent. Just got caught up.

[path12]

omg are you serious right now..

let it go man, admit you were wrong

No PM about being sick yet. We'll see how it shakes out, Mr. If I Were A Wolf Wouldn't I Try And Get Some Trust By Getting Rid Of The Guy Who Is Second In Voting Since We Have Numbers And In The Meantime Try And Use That As A Tactic To Point Towards The Guy Who Has Had Me Nailed For A Couple Of Days Now?

[oliegirl]

NFG, when you get back in the thread I'd like an explanation from you on why you revealed what my object is when I was very clear that I didn't want to make that information public.

[KWhit]

I'm still confused about the whole clap/Jackal mess. WTF happened there? As I read through catching up, I didn't understand the mis-communication.

[path12]

For the record, that's Mr. IIWAWWITAGSTBGROTGWISIVSWHNAITMTAUTAATTPTTGWHHMNFACODN.

[Lathum]

No PM about being sick yet. We'll see how it shakes out, Mr. If I Were A Wolf Wouldn't I Try And Get Some Trust By Getting Rid Of The Guy Who Is Second In Voting Since We Have Numbers And In The Meantime Try And Use That As A Tactic To Point Towards The Guy Who Has Had Me Nailed For A Couple Of Days Now?

sigh.

PAss wasn't ganna be lynched today until I gave him to you.

After Clap was lynched there is a good chance people go after Jackyl tomorrow and PAss lives another day, especialy since drugging himself may have bought him some trust.

So why would I make that play?

[The Jackal]

I'm still confused about the whole clap/Jackal mess. WTF happened there? As I read through catching up, I didn't understand the mis-communication.

I was under the assumption that "yesterday" meant the most recent day phase, when in fact it meant the previous day because the current golfing day hadn't really expired yet and we didn't figure that out until about two hours before the deadline.

[Lathum]

I can verify that Olie and I went golfing

[jeheinz72]

Jackal was the one who backed off clap. It was determined there wasn't enough time to switch, but technically there was almost two hours, right? I think Jackal is bumped up a couple notches in my mind.

I think I'll call it a break-even (basically leading to the ouster of a passenger vs trying to stop it)

So that leaves you Mr. Path

Or NFG, seeing that voter list (not that mine is all that special) ain't the best of things.

[Lathum]

dola- If I had Olies gun I would put a bullet in Paths head. If not Path then Mccollins. Then Taz.

those are the 3 early Pass voters today

[jeheinz72]

I went shopping today, flea or craft are my choices.

No mention of anyone else.

[mccollins]

sigh.

PAss wasn't ganna be lynched today until I gave him to you.

After Clap was lynched there is a good chance people go after Jackyl tomorrow and PAss lives another day, especialy since drugging himself may have bought him some trust.

So why would I make that play?

That's the best argument you've made all day.

If I said that I somewhat trust both you and Path, would you two give it a rest for a little while?

We need to focus on figuring out the mechanic by which Pass became a part of the UG and who we have seen him connected with.

[Lathum]

That's the best argument you've made all day.

If I said that I somewhat trust both you and Path, would you two give it a rest for a little while?

We need to focus on figuring out the mechanic by which Pass became a part of the UG and who we have seen him connected with.

only if you say you trust me more

[Lathum]

we may not see Path for a while, lol

[Qwikshot]

OOC:
I figured with the late revelation that clap may be innocent, but after all the second guessing and like, I didn't want to break my own argument to keeping on clap. Tis good about pass, and I believe Latham is in the trust department...

1) The Jackal
2) Nfg22
3) Path12
4) jeheinz72
5) Barkeep49 - Removed from the ship by the Captain Turn 6 - PASSENGER / LOVER
7) Lathum
8) claphasma - Removed from the ship by the Captain Turn 7 - PASSENGER
9) Passacaglia - Removed from the ship by the Captain Turn 7 - UNDERGROUND
10) St.Cronin - Removed from the ship by the Crew Turn 6 - PASSENGER
11) Hoopsguy - Killed Turn 5 - PASSENGER
12) PurdueBrad - Left ship voluntarily Turn 6 - PASSENGER / LOVER
13) Raiders Army - Killed Turn 4 - PASSENGER
14) oliegirl
15) Sonic Youth
16) ntndeacon
17) mccollins
18) Chief Rum
19) Qwikshot
20) TazFTW
21) Anxiety - Killed Turn 6 - PASSENGER
6) Swaggs - Removed from the Ship by the Captain Turn 4 - PASSENGER
22) Kwhit

[The Jackal]

FTR I spent the day with the girl again in case she was willing to give more info but she just wanted to go swimming and play shuffleboard.. Women! No actions for me tonight.

[mccollins]

FTR I spent the day with the girl again in case she was willing to give more info but she just wanted to go swimming and play shuffleboard.. Women! No actions for me tonight.

No actions tonight or no action tonight? ;)

[path12]

So why would I make that play?

It cracks me up that you continually ask that question when the answer is so damn obvious.

On another note, I'm stuck on the ship on the toilet so I won't be making my trip to the bar for Red Stripe.........but I'm still around!

[TazFTW]

For the record, that's Mr. IIWAWWITAGSTBGROTGWISIVSWHNAITMTAUTAATTPTTGWHHMNFACODN.


As a heads up I will not be accepting requests to rhyme that
Glad we got a member of the underground
Although we threw another passenger into the vat
Hope we make port in Haiti safe and sound

[path12]

So that leaves you Mr. Path.

Leaves me what besides purposely food poisoned?

[path12]

NFG, when you get back in the thread I'd like an explanation from you on why you revealed what my object is when I was very clear that I didn't want to make that information public.

Now that it's out there you might as well use it if you're worried. Though you're inching up my list some as well.

[Lathum]

OK, It's obvious I won't be able to convince Path I am good so I would rather focus my efforts elsewhere.

[jeheinz72]

Leaves me what besides purposely food poisoned?

Well, if one is inclined to believe Lathum, which I am moreso now, then it's not out of the realm that if he's a passenger that he would poison a wolf.

So that leaves you well up my suspicion list.

[Lathum]

Olie- if you use the gun who would you use it on?

[Lathum]

Well, if one is inclined to believe Lathum, which I am moreso now, then it's not out of the realm that if he's a passenger that he would poison a wolf.

So that leaves you well up my suspicion list.

I <3 ketchup boy

[jeheinz72]

I <3 ketchup boy

You're not 100% in a COT, but you're off the worry list...for now.

[path12]

That's the best argument you've made all day.

If I said that I somewhat trust both you and Path, would you two give it a rest for a little while?

We need to focus on figuring out the mechanic by which Pass became a part of the UG and who we have seen him connected with.

If you look at it as we've lost 36% of the passengers before getting rid of one wolf in 7 days I'd say that the wolves have the luxury to stretch things out a bit at the moment.

Pass was going to be lynched within two days, and we see how much trust Lathum got from tossing him under the bus already.

But......urp......I've harped on it enough........gurgleurgleurgle.....gotta run.

[TazFTW]

I drank some Red Stripe today
Saw two other passengers as well
Few more hours to the next play
And Path stays in porcelain hell

[Lathum]

I drank some Red Stripe today
Saw two other passengers as well
Few more hours to the next play
And Path stays in porcelain hell

LMAO

[oliegirl]

I went golfing with Lathum today, the only thing I had to respond to was whether I wanted to enter into a bet with him for $250.

I've submitted an order to use the gun...just waiting for Alan to process it now, not sure when he will be posting it.

[jeheinz72]

Re:Pass

On day one he voted for Sonic in the tie vote
On day two, he voted for me (when Sonic was the other candidate)

Could he have been converted in the in-between time and Sonic is/was a cohort?

[Lathum]

If you look at it as we've lost 36% of the passengers before getting rid of one wolf in 7 days I'd say that the wolves have the luxury to stretch things out a bit at the moment.

Pass was going to be lynched within two days, and we see how much trust Lathum got from tossing him under the bus already.

But......urp......I've harped on it enough........gurgleurgleurgle.....gotta run.

you knw Path, sometimes people gain trust from doing things because they are, um, trustworthy.

[Lathum]

I went golfing with Lathum today, the only thing I had to respond to was whether I wanted to enter into a bet with him for $250.

I've submitted an order to use the gun...just waiting for Alan to process it now, not sure when he will be posting it.

any reason not to tell us who you are using it on?

and did you take the bet?

[oliegirl]

any reason not to tell us who you are using it on?

and did you take the bet?

I'd rather wait, you know - let the suspense build ;) Let's just say it will put an end to the debate on whether you are good or not once and for all...if it ends up sealing my fate in the process, oh well.

Yes, I did take the bet.

[mccollins]

Re:Pass

On day one he voted for Sonic in the tie vote
On day two, he voted for me (when Sonic was the other candidate)

Could he have been converted in the in-between time and Sonic is/was a cohort?

Also, Pass was at the Turtle place where (when?) RaidersArmy was killed. But so was passenger Cronin.

[jeheinz72]

Maybe she's going with easy money and betting the dead guy she just shot. Ha.

[jeheinz72]

Also, Pass was at the Turtle place where (when?) RaidersArmy was killed. But so was passenger Cronin.

True, but that doesn't really help us connect further, but yeah, we should've been all over pass a little earlier.

[Lathum]

I'd rather wait, you know - let the suspense build ;) Let's just say it will put an end to the debate on whether you are good or not once and for all...if it ends up sealing my fate in the process, oh well.

Yes, I did take the bet.

glad you took the bet.

I think the only way it would be I am 100% good is if you killed me.

[mccollins]

True, but that doesn't really help us connect further, but yeah, we should've been all over pass a little earlier.

Hey, I'm looking for everything - we need to throw out all the clues on the first and only verified wolf we have.

I wasn't able to keep up with the note taking over the weekend, but I wrote that Hoops was at the beach, but I didn't write down anyone else being there.

[Lathum]

Maybe she's going with easy money and betting the dead guy she just shot. Ha.

thats what I'm worried about!

[oliegirl]

thats what I'm worried about!

LOL...glad my plan to build suspense is working! <evil laugh>

[jeheinz72]

Haha

Olie: "Sure Mister, I'll take your bet"
Lathum: "Great, ladies first"
Olie: "Sure, just let me do one quick thing"
**shoots Lathum dead***
Lathum: "....."
**Olie hits shot**
Olie: "5 feet, not bad, beat that!"
Lathum: "...."
Olie: "Well, thanks for the $250!"
Lathum: "....."

[Lathum]

I really hope you didn't kill me

[path12]

you knw Path, sometimes people gain trust from doing things because they are, um, trustworthy.

Very true. Which will become clear once I am revealed as a passenger.

[path12]

I'd rather wait, you know - let the suspense build ;) Let's just say it will put an end to the debate on whether you are good or not once and for all...if it ends up sealing my fate in the process, oh well.

Yes, I did take the bet.

At least she knows where to find me. If she took the bet, and wants to settle the question with you, my money is on me being her target.

[Lathum]

if Olie kills you I don't think it is damning towards me at all.

[Lathum]

someone needs to get shot, I have to leave for class soon.