Werewolf LXX Pleasure Cruise - (GAME OVER)

[claphamsa]

yeah i can count :P

[mccollins]

Crap. That makes me not like my vote so much.

Exactly. And I don't think that Sonic Youth has really done anything wrong so I didn't want to lynch him either. Hence my throwaway of a vote. I hope those aren't looked at negatively; we had quite a few yesterday as well.

[path12]

I've got to switch based on Qwik saying he believes that he was with both Heinz and CR the whole time. I'd hope at least one of them gets checked soon.

UNVOTE JEHEINZ72
VOTE ST.CRONIN

cronin is my second choice based on suspicion about the whole drug thing.

[Sonic Youth]

Me not being specific on what I received is totally different than you not being willing to even say where you had gone on your first excursion. I was forthcoming and gave specifics on where I'd gone, who I saw, and said that I'd been given an object...So you've got a necklace of Itzamna been given to you? Your 'object' has a name/looks like? It can convey protection? No? Oh, it's just an object. I see. It's a bit of a convenient 'find'. It's funny how going to the beach or something like snorkelling equals immediate non suspicious activity.

[Sonic Youth]

Always worth mentioning. And let's see what Sonic can say to defend himself, at least he won't be lynched while he's asleep.Actually, I am. Again. By the same people. For no real reason either.

[mccollins]

Oh, that's hilarious. I vote for The Heinz, to try to make the vote interesting for folks who haven't voted yet, then you go and vote for some schlub who doesn't have any votes on him anyway! Man, that Passamujambo guy must be really suspicious for you to vote for him now! ;)
;) Nah, I just don't think either of the leading candidates has done much worth lynching so I was looking for someone with no votes so I wouldn't be piling on anyone. Wouldn't want to start a run of people flooding to a new person with 5 minutes left!

[Qwikshot]

Exactly. And I don't think that Sonic Youth has really done anything wrong so I didn't want to lynch him either. Hence my throwaway of a vote. I hope those aren't looked at negatively; we had quite a few yesterday as well.

"C'mon now....I don't get this logic man...we've got to decide on something tangible...hate for us to be dead in the water getting picked up above or sharked on below...I still think Mr. Path is the most suspicious, then Cronin for all the hub-bub about the illegal substances...and man has that guy with the basketball been so quiet....I mean really quiet - like a shark."

[st.cronin]

Who's the guy with the basketball?

[The Jackal]

Actually, I am. Again. By the same people. For no real reason either.

I agree, it's not much of a reason. Problem is, I don't have much of a reason for voting for anyone else either. Sorry that the cards fell on you this way.. unless you're furry. :D

[Sonic Youth]

It wasn't to be suspicious, it was to get data. I found your choice of locale (the one where no one else knows who else went) to be odd. Much like shopping?

[Passacaglia]

I'm assuming hoopsguy is the guy with the basketball.

[Qwikshot]

Who's the guy with the basketball?

"Mr. Hoopsguy...sorries."

[Lathum]

Yes.

And I don't even know myself, specifically what I was hoping to accomplish - generally I was hoping that putting that hint out there might cause a wolf to make an incorrect assumption, and make a mistake.

still catching up but why admit to doing it then?

[jeheinz72]

Much like shopping?

Those people at least have people who saw them or saw other people.

All of the ruins folks, including myself today as I went there today, saw no one and can be confirmed by no one.

For all we know, the underground/wolves all could've just said they went there, since no one would have to corroborate it.

[path12]

I've got a bad feeling about this.

[Sonic Youth]

I'm off to watch the football again. It's stupid early here and I'm really going to be paying for it by the end of today. Much like those who vote for me should if it turns up I've then gain enough votes.

It could also be wolves trying to see what it takes to get someone off the cruise too.

[Passacaglia]

15 people on, and the deadline isn't even all that interesting anymore, anyway.

[jeheinz72]

I'm not a fan of it either, but I like it more than myself getting lynched!

[The Jackal]

Here's the count for you, Alan:

Sonic Youth (7) - Raiders Army (597), jeheinz72 (612), The Jackal (632), oliegirl (668), PurdueBrad (696), ntndeacon (742), TazFTW (744)
jeheinz72 (3) - Swaggs (680), Sonic Youth (723), Passacaglia (731)
st.cronin (3) - Barkeep49 (674), claphamsa (690), path12 (753)
path12 (2) - Qwikshot (573), Lathum (635)
PurdueBrad (1) - hoopsguy (699)
Anxiety (1) - nfg22 (545)
TazFTW (1) - Chief Rum (556)
oliegirl (1) - KWhit (605)
hoopsguy (1) - Anxiety (627)
KWhit (1) - st.cronin (711)
Passacaglia (1) - mccollins (739)

[Lathum]

unvote Path
Vote Cronin

[Alan T]

That should be the deadline.

[Alan T]

unvote Path
Vote Cronin

This vote came too late and is not counted.

[Lathum]

oops, didn't get it in time and wouldn't have mattered

[The Jackal]

oops, didn't get it in time and wouldn't have mattered

That's a weird vote. It's one thing to use that vote as a statement about who you believe to be more guilty, but you have to know people's alarm bells go off when people post at/right after the deadline.

[Alan T]

Here's the count for you, Alan:

Sonic Youth (7) - Raiders Army (597), jeheinz72 (612), The Jackal (632), oliegirl (668), PurdueBrad (696), ntndeacon (742), TazFTW (744)
jeheinz72 (3) - Swaggs (680), Sonic Youth (723), Passacaglia (731)
st.cronin (3) - Barkeep49 (674), claphamsa (690), path12 (753)
path12 (2) - Qwikshot (573), Lathum (635)
PurdueBrad (1) - hoopsguy (699)
Anxiety (1) - nfg22 (545)
TazFTW (1) - Chief Rum (556)
oliegirl (1) - KWhit (605)
hoopsguy (1) - Anxiety (627)
KWhit (1) - st.cronin (711)
Passacaglia (1) - mccollins (739)

This is the same count I have. If anyone has this being wrong, speak up while I write up PMs!

[jeheinz72]

... but you have to know people's alarm bells go off when people post at/right after the deadline.

Yeah, tell me about it...

[path12]

That's a weird vote. It's one thing to use that vote as a statement about who you believe to be more guilty, but you have to know people's alarm bells go off when people post at/right after the deadline.

He knows he's not getting a guided tour of the area if he votes for me. ;)

[oliegirl]

Still no reason really is it. It's not like I'm the only suspicious one here, just the one people know the least. Which is why I"m getting the bullet from everyone. Who else has gone shopping and saw anyone apart from Taz? How is that backing up anyone else either. No real reason to make this decision either.

I know it's frustrating, but we've all be the "new guy" at one point, it's just part of playing the game.

[path12]

BTW Sonic, I do think that it's easier to place a vote for someone you don't know as well, but I think that's something all of us have to face at first. I hope it doesn't discourage you.

[path12]

Olie, get out of my head!!

[Alan T]

You see ahead the beautiful Grand Cayman Island as the ship slowly comes into dock. In what seems like ages, finally the captain is ready to open up the gates. Before he does, it appears that he once again has an announcement for all of the passengers:

"Enjoy the sights in GeorgeTown, but before you go, i once again would like to thank all of the loyal passengers for coming forth with various suspicious activiites and concerns. Once again however, there wasn't a substantial enough momentum behind any particular passenger that warranted me kicking them off of the ship.

Please continue to come to me with anything that you find fishy, and I will promise to look into it! Now enjoy the shore!"

Voting stage for turn 2 has ended. We are now in the event response phase which will end at 10pm EST tonight. I have not yet sent out PMs, but will be doing so shortly.

[path12]

Wow. I guess it is a percentage needed.

[path12]

In which case throwaway votes become much more meaningful....

[mccollins]

Wow. No lynch, no tie.

[oliegirl]

So wait, we voted SY by 4 votes more than anyone else but that isn't enough to vote him off???? I'm so confused by this game!!!!

[The Jackal]

Don't know what to take from this. I still don't think SY is a "great" choice, but it kind of sucks to not have any info from two days of voting.

[Barkeep49]

We're going to need at least 8 votes tomorrow for someone to be lynched.

[mccollins]

In which case throwaway votes become much more meaningful....
For the villagers if I understand correctly, right?

[Barkeep49]

We're going to need at least 8 votes tomorrow for someone to be lynched.
Assuming 40%, which I think is a fair assumption given what we know.

[The Jackal]

So wait, we voted SY by 4 votes more than anyone else but that isn't enough to vote him off???? I'm so confused by this game!!!!

We might literally need a majority vote, i.e. 12 out of the 22 passengers.

We had about 32% for this one, so I imagine it has to be somewhere between 35-50%.

[mccollins]

We're going to need at least 8 votes tomorrow for someone to be lynched.

22 players - would it need to be 50% + 1 = 12 votes ?

[Lathum]

That's a weird vote. It's one thing to use that vote as a statement about who you believe to be more guilty, but you have to know people's alarm bells go off when people post at/right after the deadline.

I just got home from class and it looked like Cronin was getting more momentum then Path so I moved my vote there. To be honest I didn't even know the count when I did.

[Lathum]

BK, where did you get 40% from?

[PurdueBrad]

This isn't a bad thing looking at the win conditions though, buys us yet another day and gets us further in. I know a few of us think that the wolves can slow down or stop the boat but it still leaves more of us to deal with.

So what are we guessing now, a true majority? And does this give the wolves a voting advantage as they could account for a decent portion of that?

[mccollins]

Assuming 40%, which I think is a fair assumption given what we know.

Why 40%? Has that been a standard in the past?

[Barkeep49]

BK, where did you get 40% from?
There is mentions of tiebreakers in the rules. My initial thought was a majority, but that seemed less likely once that was pointed out. I came up with 40% because it is a round number, and a threshold we haven't reached yet, but one which would also still allow for ties.

[claphamsa]

this is weird!

[The Jackal]

I just got home from class and it looked like Cronin was getting more momentum then Path so I moved my vote there. To be honest I didn't even know the count when I did.

Since the vote wasn't even close, I wasn't really suspicious of the move, I was just warning you that you might take some heat after what happened with Heinz yesterday.

[jeheinz72]

Very strange

[The Jackal]

8/22 = 36.3%

9/22 = 40.9%

10/22 = 45.4%

11/22 = 50%

12/22 = 54.5%

I imagine we have to fall in there somewhere, unless there's a mechanism working that we haven't suggested.

[Lathum]

Since the vote wasn't even close, I wasn't really suspicious of the move, I was just warning you that you might take some heat after what happened with Heinz yesterday.

this isn't my first rodeo pal

[path12]

For the villagers if I understand correctly, right?

Right. That is, if the wolves are aware of the voting procedure which may or may not be the case. If they are, then a throwaway vote to prevent us from reaching a total % on the leader could be a potent way to prevent lynches.....if the leading vote getter is bad. If they're good, it's not as big a thing.

[st.cronin]

Or, it may be that we don't get a lynch until there's a wolf.

[st.cronin]

Or actually we may still get a lynch: Alan said to correct him BEFORE pms go out, I don't have a pm yet.

[PurdueBrad]

Or, it may be that we don't get a lynch until there's a wolf.

It's possible. The no kills either way yet could point to this so you would have to assume that, in order for the game to really get going, by the end of tonight there would have to be some wolves.

[path12]

this isn't my first rodeo pal

That would make an awesome sig.

[The Jackal]

this isn't my first rodeo pal

:cool:

[Lathum]

That would make an awesome sig.

feel free to use it

[The Jackal]

feel free to use it

Works for me.

[Lathum]

very nice

[The Jackal]

Well, I'm in a kayak with Qwik. Whatcha think, Qwik?

[oliegirl]

Well that was a waste...I chose to go on a flightseeing tour of the island, and learned nothing, except that I'm not afraid of heights. Bah.

[Barkeep49]

I think all four of us should stick together and I suggest we all go slow and leisurely. Safety in #s.

[Barkeep49]

Well, I'm in a kayak with Qwik. Whatcha think, Qwik?
Let's try this again. I think all four of us should stick together and I suggest we all go slow and leisurely. Safety in #s.

[jeheinz72]

Bah, I went snorkeling at the shipwreck (very crowded) but I have diddly as far as options

[PurdueBrad]

Wahoo! I get to make a decision. Hey BK, Jackal, Qwikshot!

[Alan T]

All PMs have gone out. Deadline for responses is 10pm EST

[The Jackal]

Let's try this again. I think all four of us should stick together and I suggest we all go slow and leisurely. Safety in #s.

I'm willing to consider that, let's see what the others think.

[PurdueBrad]

Let's try this again. I think all four of us should stick together and I suggest we all go slow and leisurely. Safety in #s.

Yeah, probably sounds like the safest bet.

[Sonic Youth]

Well that was a waste...I chose to go on a flightseeing tour of the island, and learned nothing, except that I'm not afraid of heights. Bah.Interesting. Lets see if you can make something of this Ms Suspicious. I was on one of those flights as well. Going to vote for me now?

[PurdueBrad]

Wahoo! I get to make a decision. Hey BK, Jackal, Qwikshot!

Just realized after this post that I must be the dorky tourist with the camera, neon green shorts, yellow hawaiian shirt, and orange hat, yelling and waving from my kayak to the other. I'm a dork. :(

[Lathum]

I tried to go snorkling but the trip was to crowded so I had to stay on the boat again

[st.cronin]

I went turtle-viewing, no other players were mentioned in my pm, although it was a crowded trip.

[TazFTW]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Heroes in a half shell, turtle power!
Elementary is no mere hurdle
Now I'm off to take a shower

[st.cronin]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Heroes in a half shell, turtle power!
Elementary is no mere hurdle
Now I'm off to take a shower

I believe Taz got close to the same pm that I did.

[oliegirl]

Interesting. Lets see if you can make something of this Ms Suspicious. I was on one of those flights as well. Going to vote for me now?

If you continue to target me and act like I am the ONLY person voting for you or suspicious of you, then yes. Get off my back already! 6 other people besides me voted for you, quit playing the victim, it's annoying.

[Qwikshot]

Well, I'm in a kayak with Qwik. Whatcha think, Qwik?

"Yeah, we're going kayaking...a couple of other passengers there too."

[claphamsa]

ding ding ding, fight fight fight!!!!

[The Jackal]

"Yeah, we're going kayaking...a couple of other passengers there too."

Well, yes, but I was mostly asking for the speed you think we should go at, the others seem to want to go slowly.

[hoopsguy]

I went turtle-viewing, no other players were mentioned in my pm, although it was a crowded trip.

Me too, although I have a choice to either do a good deed or not for my night action.

I'm leaning towards the good deed, fwiw.

[Passacaglia]

I think you guys should travel 20,000 leagues.

[hoopsguy]

Dola - sounds like we (Cronin and Taz) might have had a similar option.

[PurdueBrad]

I think you guys should travel 20,000 leagues.

I was tempted to turn it into white-water kayaking but that probably increases the chances of bad things happening to us.

[oliegirl]

OK guys, I'm off for the evening, might be back for deadline but can't say for sure. Heading out to see my dad in the hospital.

[st.cronin]

For the record, my options do not resemble hoopsguy's options. What I take from this is that there is some cumulative effect to actions leading to choices - that what happened the first two days impacts how our day 3 event plays out.

[Passacaglia]

For the record, my options do not resemble hoopsguy's options. What I take from this is that there is some cumulative effect to actions leading to choices - that what happened the first two days impacts how our day 3 event plays out.

Maybe...but we should note that you and hoops had equivalent Day Twos.

[Barkeep49]

For the record, my options do not resemble hoopsguy's options. What I take from this is that there is some cumulative effect to actions leading to choices - that what happened the first two days impacts how our day 3 event plays out.
That is possible. Or it is possible that the order in which you enrolled in an activity determined what options you got.

[st.cronin]

Maybe...but we should note that you and hoops had equivalent Day Twos.

But not equivalent day 1s.

[Passacaglia]

But not equivalent day 1s.

Right. Hoops didn't take any drugs! ;)

[hoopsguy]

Drugs are bad.

[claphamsa]

only users lose drugs.

[TazFTW]

Dola - sounds like we (Cronin and Taz) might have had a similar option.

No options for me
I was there to learn
going to watch hockey
as I await the next turn

[claphamsa]

go AVS!

[hoopsguy]

OK - the use of the word "elementary" made me believe that you guys might have had the same options.

However, the fact that neither of you got (or at least are acknowledging) the option makes me think that the order of submitting action may have something to do with the available options.

Would it be fair to compare timestamps for when we submitted orders? For example, we might learn that the first person submitting a request for a location gets bonus options. I'm not sure if it will be a hard-and-fast rule, but I would like to continue compiling information about how Alan is structuring his world. So I'll share info if you both will and if others feel that this type of info reveal is fair game.

[The Jackal]

No options for me
I was there to learn
going to watch hockey
as I await the next turn

go flyers

..

on friday

[PurdueBrad]

Go Penguins!

[st.cronin]

OK - the use of the word "elementary" made me believe that you guys might have had the same options.

However, the fact that neither of you got (or at least are acknowledging) the option makes me think that the order of submitting action may have something to do with the available options.

Mine was early this morning, 9:40 am eastern time. Why couldn't it be something having to do with prior days events? To me that seems more reasonable.

[path12]

Bah, I went snorkeling at the shipwreck (very crowded) but I have diddly as far as options

Diddly ditto.

[TazFTW]

I sent mine in at 10:42PM Hawaiian time
Turtle farm was my first choice
I hope Rangers/Devils doesn't go overtime
or I'm going to lose my voice

[hoopsguy]

10:25 PM CST (last night) - so it sounds like my order was in first for the location and that I got a list of options.


Also, has anyone not gotten their first choice for a location yet? I'm 2-2 in that regard, with choices available both times.

[path12]

7:46 PM Pacific, 10:46 PM Eastern. Got no options. I've gotten the location I've requested both times I was able to.

[jeheinz72]

I've received my first choice each time as well

[The Jackal]

As have I.

[Passacaglia]

Me too. In fact, I've only submitted one choice each time. I went to the Conch Shell House, and saw KWhit.

[Swaggs]

I guess I did not learn my lesson, as I was hung over and missed the opportunity to get off of the boat today.

[nfg22]

I also went turtle viewing. It seemed the safest to me. I did not have any options..

[nfg22]

Oliegirl...I will pass you my second item. Pass it back if it doesnt fit your item please...

[Raiders Army]

catching up right now

[Raiders Army]

What I'd like to know is what did Sonic Youth do shopping yesterday?

I went on the plane. Nothing happened and didn't see anyone. No action that I can do. I've gotten my first choices every day as well.

[claphamsa]

Ive only submited one each day.... I have chouces about shopping now!

[Abe Sargent]

I have a response action today after going shipwreck snorkeling.

[st.cronin]

Hoops, the reason I feel like timestamp isn't the answer is: day 1, Swaggs, Lathum, and myself all had the same options (as far as I can tell). I feel like the construction of this game is a little bit like a choose-your-own-adventure book, where the choice we made on day 1 puts us on a certain path, which is then clarified by what happens on day 2, etc.

[TazFTW]

Winning Conditions -

The passengers win if they either have elminiated all members of the Underground at the start of any gameturn starting gameturn 4 or later. The passengers also win if the cruise ship returns to Miami, Florida at the end of the cruise successfully. Be warned, that there might be those who slow down this return trip if given the opportunity however.

The underrground wins if they manage to gain a 1:1 ratio with the remaining passengers. Any third party teams or individual players with independant victory conditions are not considered at all in the 1:1 ratio.

Turn 4 is coming up to date
at the current rate the underground won't reach one to one
unless there are more undergrounders to contemplate
then the passengers are all but done

[Passacaglia]

Turn 4 is coming up to date
at the current rate the underground won't reach one to one
unless there are more undergrounders to contemplate
then the passengers are all but done

More undergrounds to contemplate then what?

[path12]

I have a response action today after going shipwreck snorkeling.

What time did you send in your request to go snorkeling?

[Lathum]

cronin, are you around to answer a quick question?

[st.cronin]

cronin, are you around to answer a quick question?

yeah

[Lathum]

how much money do you currently have?

[st.cronin]

I think I have $90.

[st.cronin]

Although, as I recall, there was some confusion about money in pms.

[Lathum]

I think I have $90.

I think you mean $490. We all started with $500 not $100.

So you are telling me you have spent $10?

[st.cronin]

I think you mean $490. We all started with $500 not $100.

So you are telling me you have spent $10?

Yes, although my pm says I started with $100. If I started with $500, then I should have $490.

[Sonic Youth]

That is possible. Or it is possible that the order in which you enrolled in an activity determined what options you got.My first choice was to go look at the underwater wreck.

[Lathum]

OK< I trust Cronin a bit more now

[mccollins]

OK< I trust Cronin a bit more now
Same here.

[claphamsa]

why?

[Lathum]

I tried to go snorkling but the trip was to crowded so I had to stay on the boat again

this should be snorkling at the shipwreck BTW

[Lathum]

My first choice was to go look at the underwater wreck.

i don't believe this

[Lathum]

why?

because the option he said he chose cost $10 and he answered quick enough that he didn't have to check his info

[claphamsa]

eh, not like its a tough lie. but ok :)

[TazFTW]

More undergrounds to contemplate then what?

I was thinking with 22 people in all
the undergrounders would number around six or five
barring a major stall
I don't see how the undergrounders can survive

[Passacaglia]

because the option he said he chose cost $10 and he answered quick enough that he didn't have to check his info

FTR, I remembered that from when you guys were talking about it in the thread earlier without having to look back, and I wasn't even involved in that whole thing. I think it's definitely possible that he could have remembered the $10 amount, since he was at least considering it.

[Lathum]

thats why I only trust him a bit more

[Abe Sargent]

What time did you send in your request to go snorkeling?

Remember there were two snorkeling activities last night. I wanted to snorkel the shipwreck, and I send it in within a hour of the close of the previous turn.

[Abe Sargent]

I miss Blade

[Lathum]

I miss Bek

[Passacaglia]

damn, Lathum beat me to it

[Raiders Army]

What I'd like to know is what did Sonic Youth do shopping yesterday?

I went on the plane. Nothing happened and didn't see anyone. No action that I can do. I've gotten my first choices every day as well.

Sonic, you're up. Please let us know what you did otherwise I might as well vote for you tomorrow as well.

[Raiders Army]

BTW, I won't be too active tonight as we will watch our recorded The Biggest Loser.

[Lathum]

BTW, I won't be too active tonight as we will watch our recorded The Biggest Loser.

it was a good one

[Sonic Youth]

i don't believe this
You can prove this can you? Show me. Otherwise, quit calling me a liar and deflecting attention away from yourself.

[Sonic Youth]

Sonic, you're up. Please let us know what you did otherwise I might as well vote for you tomorrow as well.I went to the Pottery place. I didn't buy anything or get given anything either.

[Lathum]

You can prove this can you? Show me. Otherwise, quit calling me a liar and deflecting attention away from yourself.

A. I said I don't believe you, I didn't say I could prove anything
b. As far as I can tell there really isn't any attention on me I need to deflect


interesting reaction from you.

[Sonic Youth]

You can prove this can you? Show me. Otherwise, quit calling me a liar and deflecting attention away from yourself.Ah bugger :( I could have sworn i picked that. That's not going to look good now.

[Sonic Youth]

A. I said I don't believe you, I didn't say I could prove anything
b. As far as I can tell there really isn't any attention on me I need to deflect


interesting reaction from you.There is. Going after someone else is the same as deflecting attention away from you. It's like answering a question with a question.

So basically you really don't have anything on me.

[Lathum]

There is. Going after someone else is the same as deflecting attention away from you. It's like answering a question with a question.

So basically you really don't have anything on me.

what are you talking about?

If no one ever went after anybody the game would be pretty boring.

You act as if I was taking alot of heat and tried to deflect it to you which is not the case

[Passacaglia]

Ah bugger :( I could have sworn i picked that. That's not going to look good now.

I don't understand what you mean here. Could have sworn you picked what? What's not going to look good now?

[Sonic Youth]

I don't understand what you mean here. Could have sworn you picked what? What's not going to look good now?Read the thread properly.

[Sonic Youth]

what are you talking about?i could ask the same about you.

If no one ever went after anybody the game would be pretty boring.And again here?

You act as if I was taking alot of heat and tried to deflect it to you which is not the case[/quote]It's a common deflection trick which your using. Explain why your going after me. You've really offered nothing.

[nfg22]

SY I think you are still cool but really I read the thread and I dont understand. Unless you meant it sarcastically...

[Passacaglia]

Read the thread properly.

I believe I have been reading the thread in a manner that I've deemed proper. If you disagree, please enlighten me.

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, why don't you believe that Sonic's first choice was to look at the underwater wreck?

[nfg22]

Just for the record...Lathum, your case is crazy weak...

[PurdueBrad]

Lathum, why don't you believe that Sonic's first choice was to look at the underwater wreck?

Hoops, didn't he say he went on the flight thing? But now said his first choice was the wreck. And everyone who did go to the wreck seemingly got the too busy message but still went.

[Lathum]

Just for the record...Lathum, your case is crazy weak...

what exactly is my case?

[Passacaglia]

Hoops, didn't he say he went on the flight thing? But now said his first choice was the wreck. And everyone who did go to the wreck seemingly got the too busy message but still went.

He said he was on "one of those flights" -- maybe he meant Day 2? Did he ever say what he did Day 2 before that?

[PurdueBrad]

He said he was on "one of those flights" -- maybe he meant Day 2? Did he ever say what he did Day 2 before that?

Not sure, I'm checking. I thought he shopped but I'm likely wrong. Let me go back...

[Passacaglia]

You're right, he went shopping. So I guess he's claiming that he wanted to see the underwater wreck, but couldn't, and instead got on a flight.

[nfg22]

what exactly is my case?

Exactly...

Its just that there is alot of heat on sonic for such little case...

[Lathum]

Exactly...

Its just that there is alot of heat on sonic for such little case...

and I ask you again, what exactly is my case?

[Passacaglia]

Ah bugger :( I could have sworn i picked that. That's not going to look good now.

I'm still trying to make sense of that, and trying not to be pissed at you for your flip remark when I asked about it. Is there some Aussie definition of 'picked' that means 'deleted' or something?

[hoopsguy]

If there is confusion about someone's actions, I think it is fair game to ask the question.

For example, here are my actions:
Day 0 - went shopping, selected Pottery. No findings
Day 1 - didn't submit action on account of being a dumbass
Day 2 - went to Turtle, have action to take this evening

If there is further discussion around any of these points, please ask. I'm going to reserve the right to do the same to each and every one of you as we move forward in the game. Hopefully the conversations are civil between all parties.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm still trying to make sense of that, and trying not to be pissed at you for your flip remark when I asked about it. Is there some Aussie definition of 'picked' that means 'deleted' or something?

Pass, what I believe he is saying is that he thought his first choice was the flight and he was forced to take his number two but realized that that wasn't the case when the PM about it being too busy but people still going came out. It then means either the flight was his first choice and the shipwreck #2 (he reversed them in his memory) or he lied.

[nfg22]

and I ask you again, what exactly is my case?

Nevermind sir. You seem not to understand and it doesnt matter at the moment.

[Lathum]

Nevermind sir. You seem not to understand and it doesnt matter at the moment.

no, I understand just fine. The problem is I have yet to make a case against SY. I merely stated I don't believe him. Yet you say my case is weak?

How can my case be weak if I haven't even made on?

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, why don't you believe Sonic?

[nfg22]

Which day is in question? Last nights?

[Lathum]

because I also attempted to visit the shipwreck, just how many people wanted to do that activity that 2 people would be denied?

It makes me think he is lying about his where abouts

[Lathum]

Lathum, why don't you believe Sonic?

because I also attempted to visit the shipwreck, just how many people wanted to do that activity that 2 people would be denied?

It makes me think he is lying about his where abouts

thats why my suspiscoun is heightened

[nfg22]

because I also attempted to visit the shipwreck, just how many people wanted to do that activity that 2 people would be denied?

It makes me think he is lying about his where abouts

I understand that you understand that what I was trying to make understood was that there is no case. I know you acknowledge that you have no case. Yet in order to make a case, you need not only circumstance, but motive. Just why would Sonic want to lie?

Im curious.

[Lathum]

look above

[nfg22]

im looking for motive. I trust Sonic for some reason.

[Lathum]

im looking for motive. I trust Sonic for some reason.

motive?

how about my motive is to attempt to kill wolves?

[nfg22]

motive?

how about my motive is to attempt to kill wolves?

Im talking about Sonic's motive. Why would he lie? How would it help the wolves?

[Lathum]

Im talking about Sonic's motive. Why would he lie? How would it help the wolves?

he would lie if he was a wolf and thought he was in trouble, wouldn't you?

[nfg22]

he would lie if he was a wolf and thought he was in trouble, wouldn't you?

Lathum...

Im saying what does lying about where he went do? It gains him nothing and if found out loses everything.

[claphamsa]

I think this last page is completely useless :)

[nfg22]

I think this last page is completely useless :)

Agreed...its mostly my fault.

[Lathum]

Lathum...

Im saying what does lying about where he went do? It gains him nothing and if found out loses everything.

we don't know that for sure.

And why are you defending him so much?

[nfg22]

we don't know that for sure.

And why are you defending him so much?

I guarantee you I have more reason to trust him that you have to doubt him.

[mccollins]

Oliegirl...I will pass you my second item. Pass it back if it doesnt fit your item please...

Second item? So you have the necklace (day 1) and a second item?

Since the necklace doesn't sound like it would "fit" with anything, I'm going to guess that you and Oliegirl were told that each of you had a piece of something.

Can you describe what your pieces look like or is that giving away too much?

[mccollins]

i don't believe this

Why did you argue forever without simply making a case?

Post counts aren't everything...

[mccollins]

and I ask you again, what exactly is my case?

You've been asked; feel free to make it or drop it.

[Alan T]

Deadline. Sending out Pms now.

[mccollins]

I guarantee you I have more reason to trust him that you have to doubt him.

That's a "seer" type statement. I'm guessing your necklace gave you that power as some of us assumed after you got it on day 1.

@nfg22: Have you checked out anyone else?

(What is the protocol for interacting with the seer? Don't say anything so as not to draw the attention of the wolves? If yes, doh!)

[nfg22]

Second item? So you have the necklace (day 1) and a second item?

Since the necklace doesn't sound like it would "fit" with anything, I'm going to guess that you and Oliegirl were told that each of you had a piece of something.

Can you describe what your pieces look like or is that giving away too much?

Im sorry I cant explain the second item. I got it when I went to the pawn shop in Cozumel. Also known as day 1.

[Lathum]

Why did you argue forever without simply making a case?

Post counts aren't everything...

I didn't argue at all.

I made a point that NFG was saying my theory was weak when I didn't even post a theory yet.

Post counts mean nothing to me but the more you get someone to speak, or post in our case, the more likely they are to screw up and give us something to look back at in a few days.

[Passacaglia]

Wait a minute...the whole reason I didn't believe Sonic was because I figured that everyone would be allowed to visit the wreck. Knowing that someone else was not allowed to actually makes me believe Sonic MORE.

[Lathum]

You've been asked; feel free to make it or drop it.

are you serious?

have you even read the thread?

[hoopsguy]

Interesting.

[nfg22]

That's a "seer" type statement. I'm guessing your necklace gave you that power as some of us assumed after you got it on day 1.

@nfg22: Have you checked out anyone else?

(What is the protocol for interacting with the seer? Don't say anything so as not to draw the attention of the wolves? If yes, doh!)

I wont tell you why I trust him. I am not the seer.

[Lathum]

You've been asked; feel free to make it or drop it.

and who the f@#k are you, I'll drop it when I want to drop it.

[nfg22]

are you serious?

have you even read the thread?

Lathum im not going to lie, you are frusterating.

I think me and Mcollins are confused as to why you dont have a theory or case but are still so sure Sonic is a liar.

[Lathum]

because I also attempted to visit the shipwreck, just how many people wanted to do that activity that 2 people would be denied?

It makes me think he is lying about his where abouts

this is why I am curious about him.

I apolologize if I wasn't clear.

[Barkeep49]

A reminder that civility is expected at all time between players.

~Barkeep49, Your Friendly Werewolf Moderator

[Lathum]

just to elaborate.

I am thinking he may have visited another destination and was converted to being a wolf.

He then lies about his original excursion for fear of being linked somehow.

I realize it is far from airtight but I am just trying to get suggestions/ ideas out there

[nfg22]

just to elaborate.

I am thinking he may have visited another destination and was converted to being a wolf.

He then lies about his original excursion for fear of being linked somehow.

I realize it is far from airtight but I am just trying to get suggestions/ ideas out there

Looks good to me. Thank you!

[nfg22]

All this being said I think our efforts are best focused other places. Any other leads?

[hoopsguy]

Night results?

[Lathum]

who stayed on the boat today?

[Lathum]

dola- I asked because I think a wolf stayed on the boat today

[Lathum]

in case I am night killed wanted to get that out there

[hoopsguy]

Delivering lesson plan.

[hoopsguy]

dola- I asked because I think a wolf stayed on the boat today

Why is that, Lathum?

[mccollins]

just to elaborate.

I am thinking he may have visited another destination and was converted to being a wolf.

He then lies about his original excursion for fear of being linked somehow.

I realize it is far from airtight but I am just trying to get suggestions/ ideas out there

Thanks. That's all nfg and I were after - not all the beating around the bush.

So nfg used the word 'case' - I knew what he meant.

[Sonic Youth]

I'm still trying to make sense of that, and trying not to be pissed at you for your flip remark when I asked about it. Is there some Aussie definition of 'picked' that means 'deleted' or something?Picked = chose. Do you know how fruit is taken off trees? then the meaning of the word is obvious.

Pissed? Bloody hell. I'm the one who should be pissed off.

[claphamsa]

i went to the flee market and paid 25$ for crap! :(

[mccollins]

because I also attempted to visit the shipwreck, just how many people wanted to do that activity that 2 people would be denied?

It makes me think he is lying about his where abouts

I was able to go snorkeling at the shipwreck. jeheinz72 and Anxiety also mentioned the shipwreck.

[Sonic Youth]

thats why my suspiscoun is heightenedhow come wheneveryou say you don't believe me, you never quote anything I say to back up any of your suspicions? I find that odd.

[claphamsa]

pawn shops not flee markt.

[mccollins]

I miss Blade
I miss Bek

I'm not sure who Blade or Bek are, but I'll say I'm missing blade too!

[Lathum]

Why is that, Lathum?

because all the ropes that tie the boat to the dock were cut.

Had I not discovered it and fixed it the boat would have floated away and caused major problems.

I would imagine a wolf had to stay on the boat to do this.

[Alan T]

You return to the ship as normal from your day adventures, and prepare for the ship to set sail for yet a new destination. Suddenly a bunch of commotion is heard on the deck as some local police show up and speak with the Captain for a bit. After a short while later, Sonic Youth is escorted off of the ship and the crew lock back up.

Everyone is left there standing in confusion, when it is suddenly noticed that both Barkeep49 and PurdueBrad are also missing from the ship! The captain then announces due to local legal issues, the ship is being prevented from leaving port that night. He apologizes for any inconvienance and offers free drinks in the passenger lounge for all.

You also should all review the local pamphlet as tommorrow you will have another day in GeorgeTown to adventure:

Grand Cayman is one of a group of three magnificent tropical islands Christopher Columbus called "Las Tortugas" (the turtles) for the sea creatures he found in the ocean water. The designation did not endure, however, for on later maps the islands were labeled the Caimanau, the Carib Indian word for "crocodile." The name "Caimanas" refers inaccurately to the iguanas native to the islands, which were perhaps at one point mistaken for crocodiles. Among other attractions, visitors to the island will enjoy learning about the turtles, visiting the town of Hell, exploring Seven-Mile Beach and enjoying the undersea world.

- Snorkle with stingrays at Stingray City Sandbar
- Stop at the Conch Shell House, constructed entirely of the trumpet shells of the mollusk
- Visit the Tutle Farm, an interactive sea-turtle nursery where green and hawksbill turtles are bred and raised.
- Paddle along Grand Cayman's world-renowned Seven-Mile Beach on a kayaking adventure
- Experience a bird's-eye perspective of Grand Cayman on an exciting flightseeing tour.
- Explore a historic shipwreck while snorkeling the beautiful Cayman waters.
- Go shopping in George Town and see why Grand Cayman is humorously referred to as "Brand Cayman" by those savvy shoppers who know the island's reputation for fabulous prices on designer merchandise.

Turn 4 has begun, this is a voting turn in which you must vote someone off of the ship. Obviously anyone who currently is not on the ship or whom has been removed from the game can not be chosen for a vote. You also will want to PM me choices for your adventure tommorrow

Deadline is 3:00pm EST Thursday

[path12]

I was able to go snorkeling at the shipwreck. jeheinz72 and Anxiety also mentioned the shipwreck.

I also was able to go snorkeling there. Actually saw the ship but it doesn't seem I was able to do more than that.

[nfg22]

Picked = chose. Do you know how fruit is taken off trees? then the meaning of the word is obvious.

Pissed? Bloody hell. I'm the one who should be pissed off.

Sonic, He wasnt trying to be mean. In the down under they use different words. At least in New Zealand when someone says they are pissed it means they are drunk.

[nfg22]

Not that I know much about the Aussies tho. I just want to keep it civil.

[Lathum]

My first choice was to go look at the underwater wreck.

how come wheneveryou say you don't believe me, you never quote anything I say to back up any of your suspicions? I find that odd.

...

[nfg22]

ok Sonic is gone. So are PB and BK...is this our votes catching up?

[claphamsa]

we dont know that they wont come back tho. like path did. but i think its safe to say they are gone....

[Lathum]

I'm confused

[Sonic Youth]

Sonic, He wasnt trying to be mean. In the down under they use different words. At least in New Zealand when someone says they are pissed it means they are drunk.Ah right. It can mean that here too :o

I've been taking a lot of heat it has to be said. I'll go back and re-read what he said.

[mccollins]

ok Sonic is gone. So are PB and BK...is this our votes catching up?

PurdueBrad and Barkeep never garnered that many votes.

BUT, both were kayaking with Jackal and Qwikshot.

[claphamsa]

you are dead too :(

[Lathum]

not sure if alan can answer this or not but are any of these 3 actualy out of the ganme?

[mccollins]

who stayed on the boat today?

So far, I have it as you (snorkeling at the shipwreck was full), Swaggs (hungover from two straight Fiesta Boat Party excursions), and I don't have locations written down for Chief Rum, ntndeacon, or Sonic Youth (I'm still trying to sort out if he got his first or second choice - doesn't really matter now though).

[TazFTW]

Quik and Jackal have some 'splaning to do
What happened to Barkeep and PurdueBrad
I hope they (barkeep & PurdueBrad) return to boat too
Surely there must be a clue to be had

[Alan T]

not sure if alan can answer this or not but are any of these 3 actualy out of the ganme?

For the time being, the assumption should be that they are and in time the answers to how they died/got removed from the game will be answered or they will return.

[Swaggs]

Still playing catch up, but I stayed on the boat today.

I was hungover and missed my excursion, as I slept into the afternoon.

who stayed on the boat today?

[mccollins]

we dont know that they wont come back tho. like path did. but i think its safe to say they are gone....

My first instinct would be that they are just off the boat like Path12 was.

I'm hoping Jackal and Qwikshot will be able to tell us more.

[Sonic Youth]

...
Did you notice I posted this pretty much straight after. It just happened that you got your post in in the middle of them which was unfortunate for me. Ah well. We've had a lively discussion though about it :D
Ah bugger :( I could have sworn i picked that. That's not going to look good now.

[Passacaglia]

Picked = chose. Do you know how fruit is taken off trees? then the meaning of the word is obvious.

Pissed? Bloody hell. I'm the one who should be pissed off.

I don't think I'm denying you that right.

[Raiders Army]

This is wacky. I have no clue what is going on. I'm glad that Sonic Youth answered what he did while he went shopping. I'm sorry for beginning the focus on him...while it was warranted, I don't think we got the right guy.

Anyhow, I'm waiting for post #3 to be updated.

Choices for the excursion are sent.

[mccollins]

This is probably obvious to others, but I just realized that Sonic Youth was not voted off, but was "night killed" or "day killed" or "crew killed" or something during our Day 3 phase.

At the end of voting for turn two (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=1702323#post1702323), the Captain declined to throw anyone off.

[Raiders Army]

FYI, I will be out of the loop for most of Friday since I will be flying to Tulsa for a job interview. I'm sorry, but I did not anticipate this.

[Raiders Army]

One more thing: I think Lathum's been drinking tonight. :)

[Swaggs]

For the record...

Day 1:

Claphamsa (7) - Chief RUm (246), The Jackal (247), Anxiety (297), qwikshot (334), barkeep (340), sonicyouth (368), Ntndeacon (372)
(Nfg22 (1) - Lathum (262)
Sonic Youth (7) - Raiders Army (322), Oliegirl (333), Passacaglia (338), mccollins (341), clapamsa (356), purduebrad (359), Hoopsguy (381)
oliegirl (1) - Swaggs (343)
st.cronin - (1)jeheinz72 (360)



Day 2:

Sonic Youth (7) - Raiders Army (597), jeheinz72 (612), The Jackal (632), oliegirl (668), PurdueBrad (696), ntndeacon (742), TazFTW (744)
jeheinz72 (3) - Swaggs (680), Sonic Youth (723), Passacaglia (731)
st.cronin (3) - Barkeep49 (674), claphamsa (690), path12 (753)
path12 (2) - Qwikshot (573), Lathum (635)
PurdueBrad (1) - hoopsguy (699)
Anxiety (1) - nfg22 (545)
TazFTW (1) - Chief Rum (556)
oliegirl (1) - KWhit (605)
hoopsguy (1) - Anxiety (627)
KWhit (1) - st.cronin (711)
Passacaglia (1) - mccollins (739)

[Lathum]

One more thing: I think Lathum's been drinking tonight. :)

wht do you think that?

[Passacaglia]

Weird. So my guess is that since Sonic Youth was escorted off the ship, he won't be welcome back, and is out of the game. But BK and PB seem to be in situations similar to path was -- they didn't make it on the ship, but could end up back another day.

[mccollins]

8/22 = 36.3%

9/22 = 40.9%

10/22 = 45.4%

11/22 = 50%

12/22 = 54.5%

I imagine we have to fall in there somewhere, unless there's a mechanism working that we haven't suggested.

Feel free to re-think based on 19 current passengers.

[Swaggs]

Any benefits to or good reasons why we should not disclose our plans for tomorrow?

Should we try to buddy up with three to an excursion or should we continue to wing it and go out on our own w/o consulting one another?

[hoopsguy]

Weird. So my guess is that since Sonic Youth was escorted off the ship, he won't be welcome back, and is out of the game. But BK and PB seem to be in situations similar to path was -- they didn't make it on the ship, but could end up back another day.

I agree with this analysis.

[hoopsguy]

Short posts are not my style.

[hoopsguy]

I feel like Ardent Enthusiast, er Poli.

[hoopsguy]

Amusing that I asked TazFTW for sonnets earlier.

[Passacaglia]

Short posts are not my style.

What's the most amount of words you can have in a post? Sorry for asking you questions -- I should probably just read the thread properly! :p

[hoopsguy]

And now find myself posting in a constrained format.

[Sonic Youth]

nfg22, it's not the drunken term. I'm still trying to figure out why he's asking me when it was right there in front of him, already explained out.

I'm still trying to make sense of that, and trying not to be pissed at you for your flip remark when I asked about it. Is there some Aussie definition of 'picked' that means 'deleted' or something?Actually Pass, read my last response to Lathum. That might help you with that some.

[hoopsguy]

Pass, I would have expected you to see the pattern.

[Passacaglia]

And now find myself posting in a constrained format.

You don't say?

[Passacaglia]

Pass, I would have expected you to see the pattern.

Why's that?