Werewolf LXX Pleasure Cruise - (GAME OVER)

[nfg22]

NFG, when you get back in the thread I'd like an explanation from you on why you revealed what my object is when I was very clear that I didn't want to make that information public.

Are you serious right now? You pretty much said everything it does...So whats the point in me naming it?

[oliegirl]

Are you serious right now? You pretty much said everything it does...So whats the point in me naming it?

The point is, I was deliberately vague, maybe it was obvious to you b/c you knew what it was, but no one else gave any clue that they knew it was a gun until you said what you did. Yes, I'm serious. If someone else has an item and they make it clear they don't want to publicize what it is, then you keep your mouth shut about it until they decide to announce it or use it.

[nfg22]

Well olie I hope they kill you after you kill me.

I think you are being a bit overreactive when you described what the item did. Gun or sword or firecracker...it doesnt matter, you said it could possibly kill someone..

[nfg22]

Another thing. If I were a wolf and I already knew what it was, why would I announce it?

The wolves already knew you could kill one of them with it. I just told them it was a gun. I think you are acting suspicious..

[Lathum]

I think Olie is going to shoot me or Path.

[nfg22]

Either way I think Olie is a wolf...

[Lathum]

Either way I think Olie is a wolf...

It would be a smart move as a wolf for her to shoot me or PAth then try and get the other lynched

[path12]

if Olie kills you I don't think it is damning towards me at all.

I wouldn't expect you to think so.

[path12]

Either way I think Olie is a wolf...

I'm leaning that way too.

[Lathum]

yeah.

unless Olie kills a wolf I think she bears a strong looking at

[Lathum]

well, I'm off to scool. Gonna try and pop in at a computer lab on a break.

Hopefully I'm still alive

[Lathum]

lol, I spelled school wrong

[jeheinz72]

lol, I spelled school wrong

What's sad is I just chalked that up to Lathum being Lathum

[jeheinz72]

Lathum, while you're here-ish, what is this Thursday business you mentioned all about?

[oliegirl]

So wait, now I'm a wolf? Jeez...I put in an order to shot path thinking that it would clear up who between Path and Lathum is good and who is not. Now, because I'm mad at NFG for saying what my item was when I'd made it clear that I didn't want that info out there, I'm bad? I'm beginning to think that Lathum, Path and NFG are wolves and working together to twist things around. If Path comes back as good, then you can kill me but I'm a villager and then you'll all really be in a bad spot.

[claphamsa]

Sorry clap, you can blame that one on me. I wish you/someone had reminded the thread that you were on the boat that day before like an hour beofre the deadline. :(

Still, nice to nail an underground member. Are we thinking one of lathum/path is bad?


I do blame you!

Flyers suck!

[claphamsa]

lol, I spelled school wrong


and this is why you are my hero! Kudos to you sir!

[path12]

So wait, now I'm a wolf? Jeez...I put in an order to shot path thinking that it would clear up who between Path and Lathum is good and who is not. Now, because I'm mad at NFG for saying what my item was when I'd made it clear that I didn't want that info out there, I'm bad? I'm beginning to think that Lathum, Path and NFG are wolves and working together to twist things around. If Path comes back as good, then you can kill me but I'm a villager and then you'll all really be in a bad spot.

If I survive both the poisoning and shooting you can call me Rasputin.

Oh well, I'm vanilla so you don't lose anything that way -- though roles seem few and far between in this game.

I think it's pretty clear who I suspect. ;)

[Lathum]

Olie, it's the nature of the game.

I handed Pass to us today and I am still a suspect.

IF there is a seer who can clear a goodish amount of players they may want to think about doing it.

[Lathum]

Lathum, while you're here-ish, what is this Thursday business you mentioned all about?

thats for you all to figure out

[Lathum]

we need Olie to shoot Path already so we can get some discussion going

[Lathum]

I see CR in the thread, I am looking forward to his analysis

[Chief Rum]

Wow, great move getting Pass. It feels like we just caught our first real break. Of course, it seems pretty damn difficult to pin down anything from this other than I feel pretty good about Lathum. Of course, I was okay with Lathum before this.

olie, I hope you picked a true suspicious character, and not nfg. It's not that he isn't a wolf--I don't have a clue, he may be. But he isn't the first guy I would aim at if I had a weapon like you have.

BTW, obviously, no kill is really automatic in a game like this, but, really, a gun? Come on, that's going to be a kill.

Lathum, question when a get a chance. Can you explain the Thursday thing or is that supposed to be something you need to keep quiet? If it is the latter, I kinda hope you'll shut up about it, because what's the point in bringing that out? If it's the former, please go ahead and do it. Frankly, with as little verifiable information as we have, I don't think it's a good idea to have a "mystery" tossed in.

[Lathum]

the thursday thing has absolutly zero effect on the game.

to bad hoops is dead, he could probably shed some light on it.

[Chief Rum]

I see CR in the thread, I am looking forward to his analysis

Heh...I appreciate the confidence. Not sure yet if I have anything that will really help us, though. I have to look things over some more. You guys post too damn much while I am away. :)

BTW, to clap, sorry, bud, circumstances worked against you. At the time I voted for you, it seemed the right thing. The Jackyl rightfully has egg on his face, but that doesn't help you. And once I was gone, there was no way I could put in to change the vote.

I'll see if I can post a trust list in a sec, but I have to go get my team ready in my BBCF league (deadline at 6 p.m. ;) ).

[Chief Rum]

the thursday thing has absolutly zero effect on the game.

to bad hoops is dead, he could probably shed some light on it.

Oh, okay, that was my first impression, but I sorta forgot I had thought that initially. ;)

[Lathum]

Oh, okay, that was my first impression, but I sorta forgot I had thought that initially. ;)

do you know why?

[Chief Rum]

do you know why?

No. Is it posted in some GD thread or something? I just figured some RL event was occurring then that would from that point forward take your attention away from the game.

[Lathum]

No. Is it posted in some GD thread or something? I just figured some RL event was occurring then that would from that point forward take your attention away from the game.

not exactly

[Lathum]

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?find=lastposter&t=64558

[Chief Rum]

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?find=lastposter&t=64558

Ah ha...glug, glug, glug? ;)

You should try to take some of the margaritas and Red Stripe from the cruise to help celebrate. :)

[Lathum]

Ah ha...glug, glug, glug? ;)

You should try to take some of the margaritas and Red Stripe from the cruise to help celebrate. :)

I just don't want Hoops to be the only one with that distinction

[oliegirl]

Wow, great move getting Pass. It feels like we just caught our first real break. Of course, it seems pretty damn difficult to pin down anything from this other than I feel pretty good about Lathum. Of course, I was okay with Lathum before this.

olie, I hope you picked a true suspicious character, and not nfg. It's not that he isn't a wolf--I don't have a clue, he may be. But he isn't the first guy I would aim at if I had a weapon like you have.

BTW, obviously, no kill is really automatic in a game like this, but, really, a gun? Come on, that's going to be a kill.

Lathum, question when a get a chance. Can you explain the Thursday thing or is that supposed to be something you need to keep quiet? If it is the latter, I kinda hope you'll shut up about it, because what's the point in bringing that out? If it's the former, please go ahead and do it. Frankly, with as little verifiable information as we have, I don't think it's a good idea to have a "mystery" tossed in.

No, I didn't kill NFG, the order I put in was to shoot Path, however Alan still hasn't posted anything about it so at this point I'm not sure what will happen.

And obviously, I knew what I had would mean a kill when I used it, but the point is I didn't want anyone else to know. Every other game of WW I've played, it's sort of an unwritten rule that you don't give out information that isn't really yours to give out. If things had gone the other way and I'd given NFG the gun, I would have never come out and said "oh, NFG has a gun", regardless of what information he'd put out there. I didn't want people to know what I had b/c I figured it would make me more of a wolf target. I hadn't decided to use it today until NFG said what he said and at that point I figured I had no choice but to use it and then just pray the wolves either left me alone or someone bg'd me. I just didn't think it was appropriate for him to say what he said is all.

[Lathum]

dola- not that I want to be lynched mind you, but if I have to go may as well be then

[Lathum]

olie- I agree with 90% of what you saying but if he gave you the bullet that information is just as much his to share as yours IMO

[mccollins]

No. Is it posted in some GD thread or something? I just figured some RL event was occurring then that would from that point forward take your attention away from the game.

That's what I was guessing...

[path12]

BTW, while I'm waiting to die, thought I'd bring up Pass and the knockout drug. Thoughts about him bluffing taking them and passing it to another wolf?

It seems the kind of play he might make, but forcing himself to be quiet while getting votes may be asking too much.

But then, why would he as a wolf take them? Makes little sense to me.

[mccollins]

No, I didn't kill NFG, the order I put in was to shoot Path, however Alan still hasn't posted anything about it so at this point I'm not sure what will happen.


From what I gather, we don't get any new information until the next deadline.

However, if you put in your PM to shoot Path and the wolves put in a PM to nightkill you, I'm not sure how that would work out - time of PMs? Tie (both PMs between 3-10pm) goes to the passenger?

[Lathum]

From what I gather, we don't get any new information until the next deadline.

However, if you put in your PM to shoot Path and the wolves put in a PM to nightkill you, I'm not sure how that would work out - time of PMs? Tie (both PMs between 3-10pm) goes to the passenger?

usualy there is a set sequence that orders get processed in

[mccollins]

BTW, while I'm waiting to die, thought I'd bring up Pass and the knockout drug. Thoughts about him bluffing taking them and passing it to another wolf?

It seems the kind of play he might make, but forcing himself to be quiet while getting votes may be asking too much.

But then, why would he as a wolf take them? Makes little sense to me.

I wondered the same thing, but that would be an incredible play for Pass to not defend himself a bit. Kudos if it's true.

[Alan T]

Deadline. PMs coming out in the next 15 minutes!

[path12]

1) The Jackal
2) Nfg22
3) Path12
4) jeheinz72
5) Barkeep49 - Removed from the ship by the Captain Turn 6 - PASSENGER / LOVER
7) Lathum
8) claphasma - Removed from the ship by the Captain Turn 7 - PASSENGER
9) Passacaglia - Removed from the ship by the Captain Turn 7 - UNDERGROUND
10) St.Cronin - Removed from the ship by the Crew Turn 6 - PASSENGER
11) Hoopsguy - Killed Turn 5 - PASSENGER
12) PurdueBrad - Left ship voluntarily Turn 6 - PASSENGER / LOVER
13) Raiders Army - Killed Turn 4 - PASSENGER
14) oliegirl
15) Sonic Youth
16) ntndeacon
17) mccollins
18) Chief Rum
19) Qwikshot
20) TazFTW
21) Anxiety - Killed Turn 6 - PASSENGER
6) Swaggs - Removed from the Ship by the Captain Turn 4 - PASSENGER
22) Kwhit

Last trust list:

Distrust: Lathum, oliegirl

Lean distrust: KWhit, Sonic Youth, Chief Rum

Neutral: jeheinz72, ntndeacon, mccollins

Lean trust: TazFTW, The Jackal, nfg22, Qwikshot

Trust: Myself and the other vanished passengers.

Peace out.

[Lathum]

jesus Path.

just because I poisened you and Oligirl shot you is no reason not to trust us!

[hoopsguy]

Seriously, why distrust the two people who have admitted they are out to get you?

[Lathum]

Seriously, why distrust the two people who have admitted they are out to get you?

shouldn't you be packing? :p

[hoopsguy]

PC is in same room as my carry-on bag.

No checking bags for Vegas trip!!!

[path12]

Seriously, why distrust the two people who have admitted they are out to get you?

I know, it just worked out that way. I'm not usually a revenge type voter.

[path12]

jesus Path.

just because I poisened you and Oligirl shot you is no reason not to trust us!

The real amazing thing is that after this long I don't have more people to point to.

[Lathum]

The real amazing thing is that after this long I don't have more people to point to.

people you distrust?

[mccollins]

The real amazing thing is that after this long I don't have more people to point to.

I think it's because there are so many keeping so quiet...

[path12]

people you distrust?

Trust and distrust. Everyone is in some grey middle ground.

[Lathum]

Trust and distrust. Everyone is in some grey middle ground.

I would agree with this

[oliegirl]

Just got my PM, I lost my bet with Lathum and it didn't tell me anything conclusive about Path. I'm heading to bed and will be back tomorrow mid-morning.

[Lathum]

yeah, money money money

[mccollins]

I wish I had some direction to give you, but I'm clueless... Good luck to the other passengers - Vanilla pride! I think you'll have to work hard to win!

[Lathum]

I wish I had some direction to give you, but I'm clueless... Good luck to the other passengers - Vanilla pride! I think you'll have to work hard to win!

huh?

[mccollins]

Olie and KWhit have been tinging my wolfdar, but that's just a gut thing.
Heinz was, but I'm neutral on him after today.
The quiet ones are gonna kill ya! Use your items!!
Good luck!

[Alan T]

Everyone returns from their daily excusrion into Montego Bay, some with smiles on their faces, and others a bit less happy. You head to your room, and prepare for the trip to your next destination.. You feel the ship's engines start to hum as they fire up. Suddenly you hear a very loud metallic clanging noise and metal grinding.

You join what appears to be the majority of the other passengers on deck to find out what happened.. The ship hadn't even moved yet from the port.. You see crew rushing around frantically.. After about 30 or 45 minutes standing there without any understanding of what was happening, the Captain speaks over the intercom.. "Attention Passengers, this is your captain. Unfortunately due to a mechanical malfunction, we will have to stay in port here one more day. We apologize for the invconvienance, and our event staff will work with you to help plan your day tommorrow somewhere fun and exciting in Montego Bay.

You can choose from the following destinations:

Montego Bay:

The recently renovated "Mo' Bay," as the locals call this town, competes with Ocho Rios as the island's most visited resort town. Montego Bay has great bars and restaurants, renowned shopping, and an endless array of leisure activities. And with the friendly hospitality of the Jamaican people, having a great time is always "no problem."

- Stroll down Gloucester Avenue and experience the great shopping and restaurants
- Play a round of golf at the beautiful Wyndham Rose Hall Golf & Beach Resort.
- Explore the island's beaches by swimming, suntanning, snorkeling, diving and horse-back riding.
- Kick back and relax with a local favorite, Red Stripe beer at a nearby Bar.


As many of you look over the local attractions, you suddenly hear someone screaming as they run up on deck... "Dead , they're dead!!!" Some of you follow just to see what was going on.. You get to the first room and find Mccollins dead inside of his own room, laying on his bed. You hear commotion further down the hall and word is that there was another death.. but you don't want to see this one.. Evidentally some poor chap was shot dead, while on the toilet! You don't even have to look in to know that had to have been Path12 whom was shot dead.

What a scary ending... now for the first time people have been killed aboard this ship.. and you are stuck here again another day? When will this horrible trip end??

It is now Turn 8. This is a voting phase, and all votes are due by 3pm EST Wednesday. Also please PM your choice of destination by that time as well. All PMs have been sent, if you are expecting one that you did not receive, please let me know.

[Lathum]

I think olie looks pretty not good here

[path12]

Is there no end to the indignity? Go passengers!

[Lathum]

killing McCollins was a total attempt to set me up

[The Jackal]

This is gonna be a tough vote.

[ntndeacon]

sorry I haven't been around folks. Needless to say I have no clue as to what is going on. Let me just say that tests and Finals suck to make

[TazFTW]

Evidentally some poor chap was shot dead, while on the toilet!

Oh the humanity
to die atop the crapper
stop the insanity
we must sort through all this yapper

[nfg22]

I dont know too much what to think but Im suspicious of Lathum and Oliegirl.

Vote Oliegirl...

[Chief Rum]

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?find=lastposter&t=64558

So you guys are going to Vegas?

Heh...I should drive out and meet up with you. :)

[Chief Rum]

Oh the humanity
to die atop the crapper
stop the insanity
we must sort through all this yapper

Gold.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, here's my trust list:

Strong Trust: Lathum (and myself, of course).

IMO, it's foolish for people not to trust Lathum by now. If he's a wolf, he deserves the victory with this play.

Okay Trust: oliegirl, TazFTW

olie may have been contentious at times, and her choice of path was bad, but I just don't see this whole lead up to shooting path as a wolf move. Plus, Lathum is someone I strongly trust, and he was as wrong as anyone on path. Can't really then blame olie for that. Taz, as has been mentioned, hard to see him doing his rhyming act and being a wolf, too. Has generally had a good vibe with me.

Middle: Qwikshot, jeheinz

Generally getting a good vibe off of jeheinz, but no actual "trust" events I can recall. Qwikshot has been a touch too quiet, but he (and jeheinz) both seemed to react the right way when we were on safari and saw the driver get killed. Of course, if the game started with no wolves, we were all good then for sure. So they're in the middle with me.

Slight Distrust: ntndeacon, KWhit, The Jackal

I call the first two the UTR grouping. Both of these players are far too strong as veteran players to be this quiet, and that makes me nervous. Other than that, though, I got nothing against their play. I think it has been logically shown that The Jackal simply made a mistake on clap. That said, he got a villager killed, and you have to mark him down for that.

Strong Distrust: nfg22, Sonic Youth

While I am struggling to see the benefit in a wolf revealing the information about the bullet, I have to agree with olie that nfg violated her trust a bit with his openness with that. I am not sure how helpful he has really been to the passengers, and it makes me wonder if there is a sympathizer role in this game. Such a role is not listed in the rules, so that might be a reach, but lovers aren't in there either. Sonic Youth has simply been too absent at times, even for being in Oz, and he has also been taken off the ship too many times. It just strikes me as suspicious.

I have to put in a vote right now, since I am about to go to bed, and won't be around again (of course) for the voting deadline. I hope this list helps us out (and that I am right).

VOTE SONIC YOUTH

Toss up with nfg. I went with Sonic Youth, because nfg's wolfishness would require a longer logic leap, vibe notwithstanding.

[Sonic Youth]

Okay, here's my trust list:

Strong Trust: Lathum (and myself, of course).

IMO, it's foolish for people not to trust Lathum by now. If he's a wolf, he deserves the victory with this play.

Okay Trust: oliegirl, TazFTW

olie may have been contentious at times, and her choice of path was bad, but I just don't see this whole lead up to shooting path as a wolf move. Plus, Lathum is someone I strongly trust, and he was as wrong as anyone on path. Can't really then blame olie for that. Taz, as has been mentioned, hard to see him doing his rhyming act and being a wolf, too. Has generally had a good vibe with me.

Middle: Qwikshot, jeheinz

Generally getting a good vibe off of jeheinz, but no actual "trust" events I can recall. Qwikshot has been a touch too quiet, but he (and jeheinz) both seemed to react the right way when we were on safari and saw the driver get killed. Of course, if the game started with no wolves, we were all good then for sure. So they're in the middle with me.

Slight Distrust: ntndeacon, KWhit, The Jackal

I call the first two the UTR grouping. Both of these players are far too strong as veteran players to be this quiet, and that makes me nervous. Other than that, though, I got nothing against their play. I think it has been logically shown that The Jackal simply made a mistake on clap. That said, he got a villager killed, and you have to mark him down for that.

Strong Distrust: nfg22, Sonic Youth

While I am struggling to see the benefit in a wolf revealing the information about the bullet, I have to agree with olie that nfg violated her trust a bit with his openness with that. I am not sure how helpful he has really been to the passengers, and it makes me wonder if there is a sympathizer role in this game. Such a role is not listed in the rules, so that might be a reach, but lovers aren't in there either. Sonic Youth has simply been too absent at times, even for being in Oz, and he has also been taken off the ship too many times. It just strikes me as suspicious.

I have to put in a vote right now, since I am about to go to bed, and won't be around again (of course) for the voting deadline. I hope this list helps us out (and that I am right).

VOTE SONIC YOUTH

Toss up with nfg. I went with Sonic Youth, because nfg's wolfishness would require a longer logic leap, vibe notwithstanding.
Have you spent any turn where you're not able to come back to the ship? No? Then I guess your not aware of the consequences. Hmm, lets see. The only time reason you've put forward that I'm in the strong distrust is that I'm not here. Oh, I didn't return to the ship before during the weekend play? Oh, he's not around anymore? Not good enough a reason. Now, Jakal says that Clap is lieing and he's what, only slightly distrusted? I'd say that's much more of a problem considering that he was a passenger.

Here's another thought for you to consider Chief Rum, where was Hoops killed? Did anyone die when I was away? Did anything happen when I was away. I explained the reason when the police took me away, but look into what else surrounded my second time. What happened then?

Oh, and I didn't know what Oliegirls item was, but cmon, we've an underground here people, there's bound to be a gun. Oliegirl is being too touchy. Oh, and I'll say this. I'll be very annoyed if nfg22 turns out to be either of the underground or a wolf considering what I've passed him. What I can't understand is why no one hasn't pulled me up on one of my early posts and asked for an explanation.

My previous night was at a bar, as someone else can verify. I had no options either.

Vote Jakal.

[TazFTW]

Not sure what to make of the nfg/oliegirl blowup
I guess one of them could be a wolf because I don't really have anything else to proceed
and then there is Jackal's reveal slip-up
could it have been a dirty deed?

[oliegirl]

Have you spent any turn where you're not able to come back to the ship? No? Then I guess your not aware of the consequences. Hmm, lets see. The only time reason you've put forward that I'm in the strong distrust is that I'm not here. Oh, I didn't return to the ship before during the weekend play? Oh, he's not around anymore? Not good enough a reason. Now, Jakal says that Clap is lieing and he's what, only slightly distrusted? I'd say that's much more of a problem considering that he was a passenger.

Here's another thought for you to consider Chief Rum, where was Hoops killed? Did anyone die when I was away? Did anything happen when I was away. I explained the reason when the police took me away, but look into what else surrounded my second time. What happened then?

Oh, and I didn't know what Oliegirls item was, but cmon, we've an underground here people, there's bound to be a gun. Oliegirl is being too touchy. Oh, and I'll say this. I'll be very annoyed if nfg22 turns out to be either of the underground or a wolf considering what I've passed him. What I can't understand is why no one hasn't pulled me up on one of my early posts and asked for an explanation.

My previous night was at a bar, as someone else can verify. I had no options either.

Vote Jakal.

Maybe I am being touchy, and I can see where it came across that way, but it still really bothered me that nfg put that out there. I've seen stuff like this happen but there's usually a post by the person whp knows something directed at the person who has it, sort of asking is it ok to spill the beans?

In the Shrek game there was a charcter who was half converted and was good for the part of the day and a wolf for the other part. I'm beginning to think that might have happened here as well, and nfg put that out there to make me look "shady" and to put me on the defensive. I doubt I will be voting for nfg today but I will definitely be considering him for a vote in the next couple of days.

[hoopsguy]

So you guys are going to Vegas?

Heh...I should drive out and meet up with you. :)

I'm arriving tonight and will be there Thu-Sat with an early Sunday departure. I'll PM you my cell # if you want to try and catch up.

If you want to randomly try and find me in the city I'll be the guy who hasn't slept in 30+ hours while grinding out small buy-in tournaments at Treasure Island.

[Sonic Youth]

Maybe I am being touchy, and I can see where it came across that way, but it still really bothered me that nfg put that out there. I've seen stuff like this happen but there's usually a post by the person whp knows something directed at the person who has it, sort of asking is it ok to spill the beans?

In the Shrek game there was a charcter who was half converted and was good for the part of the day and a wolf for the other part. I'm beginning to think that might have happened here as well, and nfg put that out there to make me look "shady" and to put me on the defensive. I doubt I will be voting for nfg today but I will definitely be considering him for a vote in the next couple of days.
I understood what you where meaning. I've seen this sort of thing exploited and the wrong person coped a lynch.

As I said in my last post, I know what a complete unit that nfg22 was given would do.

Now, here's my question of nfg22 and my passing of an item to him. Wouldn't that still leave him with only the item I gave him, after passing to Oliegirl his item? Where is mine now? And does he still have it? I can name what it can do.

[The Jackal]

I don't blame people for putting me in the mistrust column, but SOMEONE (or clap..) could have pointed out that he was on the boat day 5. I've been on my phone only since monday and its rather difficult to do research there.

Lynch me if you want but its not going to accomplish anything.

Sonic, you need to read the thread. I determined clap wasn't lying, and nfg revealed the item that olie had (the gun).

vote sonic youth

[The Jackal]

That's a vote that could change but the lack of information on people right now hurts.

[jeheinz72]

Oy vey.

Right now I'm believing Olie. I mean in a way, her hand was forced. Given nfg told everyone she had a gun. Given the events of the vote and discussion that day, she was all but relegated to shooting one of path or Lathum. Given that I trust(ed) Lathum more than Path, she made technically the right call.

My only thing with regard to nfg would be he easily could've been a passenger when he passes Olie the bullet, then converted and now a wolf. I'm leaning heavy distrust on him.

I still have heavy distrust on SY (if you're good, and are aiming a bad light on nfg, why wait to say what you passed him)

I'm leaning trust on Taz, at least for today.

I'm in the middle on Jackal. While I think he generally plays honestly, I think it's just barely within the capability limits of his deviousness for it to all be a setup. It would have been a risky play, but I can't completely rule it out.

NTN, CR, Qwik and KWhit I have zero read on. If the entirety of the wolves are within this group, we're as good as done.

So NFG or SY today. Tough call. I'm open to discussion ideas. If either of you two comes on, I'd love/appreciate a detailed recap of your actions to this point.

[Lathum]

Trust: Lathum

Distrust: Path

Middle Ground: Everyone else

[Sonic Youth]

I still have heavy distrust on SY (if you're good, and are aiming a bad light on nfg, why wait to say what you passed him)

I have already. It's quite amazing that no one picked up on it. Especially the person who is most annoyed with nfg22 for her reveal.

When did we all think I was going to be lynched again?

[Sonic Youth]

As to the Jakal play, he set up Clap pretty well don't you think. It was only late on that he then said that it's possible that the day he stayed on the ship was another day. By that time, most people where either not going to change their vote, or simply not on. Take your pick at which for who.

[KWhit]

As to the Jakal play, he set up Clap pretty well don't you think. It was only late on that he then said that it's possible that the day he stayed on the ship was another day. By that time, most people where either not going to change their vote, or simply not on. Take your pick at which for who.

I agree with this. That screams "set up" to me. It was all too convenient for him to realize at the last second that he was looking at the wrong day and post it at a time when he knew people weren't likely going to be around to switch their vote.

But I question the motive here. Would he really put himself out there so much to try this? What would he have to gain?

[Sonic Youth]

I agree with this. That screams "set up" to me. It was all too convenient for him to realize at the last second that he was looking at the wrong day and post it at a time when he knew people weren't likely going to be around to switch their vote.

But I question the motive here. Would he really put himself out there so much to try this? What would he have to gain?
Another passenger gone? How many potentially are left? He's done it in such a way that no ones actually wondering about it much either.

I'll know this much when I wake this morning, those who vote for me should really be looked at hard if I'm voted off.

[oliegirl]

I have already. It's quite amazing that no one picked up on it. Especially the person who is most annoyed with nfg22 for her reveal.

When did we all think I was going to be lynched again?

The only thing I've read from you that you might be talking about was back in posts 1415 and 1418...you mentioned seeing a commotion and lots of gunfire, but I'm not sure what that has to do with me as I had a gun and 1 bullet, which I had not used until yesterday.

[Sonic Youth]

The only thing I've read from you that you might be talking about was back in posts 1415 and 1418...you mentioned seeing a commotion and lots of gunfire, but I'm not sure what that has to do with me as I had a gun and 1 bullet, which I had not used until yesterday.You've obvioulsy only started taking notice of me late on in the game then. You've overshot by about just under twice.

[oliegirl]

You've obvioulsy only started taking notice of me late on in the game then. You've overshot by about just under twice.

No, but I'm working this morning so I don't have the ability to go digging through all 50-something pages of posts to find one that you are referring to. Why don't you just provide a post number or repeat the information?

It's completely possible that I missed something early on, as I said a bunch of times, my dad was readmitted to the hospital after a Stem Cell Transplant, so I was there as much as I could be and wasn't able to participate like I usually do.

[jeheinz72]

Seriously man, quit being so confrontational and just give us the post number where you said what you have.

I don't get your style.

[Sonic Youth]

No, but I'm working this morning so I don't have the ability to go digging through all 50-something pages of posts to find one that you are referring to. Why don't you just provide a post number or repeat the information?

It's completely possible that I missed something early on, as I said a bunch of times, my dad was readmitted to the hospital after a Stem Cell Transplant, so I was there as much as I could be and wasn't able to participate like I usually do.Let me get this right, your not happy in how your object was outed, but your perfectly happy to have somene out an object they could possibly possess? Something's black there.

Incidently, I guess you've never thought about searching through my posts via clicking on my name? It shouldn't take you long.

[mccollins]

I don't guess I can tell, can I?
Sucks being dead! *croak*

[Sonic Youth]

Seriously man, quit being so confrontational and just give us the post number where you said what you have.

I don't get your style.
Confrontational? Sheesh. If I was, people would know.

[Sonic Youth]

Seriously man, quit being so confrontational and just give us the post number where you said what you have.

I don't get your style.

Let me get this right, your not happy in how your object was outed, but your perfectly happy to have somene out an object they could possibly possess? Something's black there.

Incidently, I guess you've never thought about searching through my posts via clicking on my name? It shouldn't take you long.
So it wasn't ok for nfg22 to out Oliegirls object, but it is ok for me? Why is this?

[oliegirl]

Let me get this right, your not happy in how your object was outed, but your perfectly happy to have somene out an object they could possibly possess? Something's black there.

Incidently, I guess you've never thought about searching through my posts via clicking on my name? It shouldn't take you long.

OK - the way I read what was said this morning was that you had passed an item to NFG, and had already said what it was, which was why you now want me to search through over 50 pages of posts to find one post that you made.

I don't understand why you are defensive and reluctant to say what the item is, when you clearly have already given the information out somewhere.

[Sonic Youth]

OK - the way I read what was said this morning was that you had passed an item to NFG, and had already said what it was, which was why you now want me to search through over 50 pages of posts to find one post that you made.

I don't understand why you are defensive and reluctant to say what the item is, when you clearly have already given the information out somewhere.That's because I never said it directly to him. I said it indirectly, and to you. I'm very surprised that something like that wasn't swooped upon in this game that people pick up on, 'he hasn't revealed where he is' type of thing, which then gets you a big bunch of votes to something like that getting absolutely no attention until I mention it. The inconsistency in this game is maddening.

[The Jackal]

Listen, I'm flattered that some of you think I could engineer a setup like that, but here's why it would've been stupid in the first place - clap was on the damn boat on day 5. If anyone had managed to just look at where he was the day before, we wouldn't have even had the run on him in the first place. I'm sorry I couldn't do that, and I'm sorry the misinterpretation led to his downfall, but yeesh.

And SY, if you are just a run-of-the-mill villager, your attitude isn't really helping you.

[jeheinz72]

So it wasn't ok for nfg22 to out Oliegirls object, but it is ok for me? Why is this?

Because nfg did it out of nowhere, for no real good reason.

Yours would be uh, to save your hide.

[Sonic Youth]

I don't understand why you are defensive and reluctant to say what the item is, when you clearly have already given the information out somewhere.
I didn't answer this. I seem to recall not too long ago that there was this incident between nfg22 and you, about something like this. How did it make you feel again? Oh I see, you don't understand how I feel because you conveniantly forgotten how you reacted.

It's a nice play to call me defensive when deflection back to me is occurring. Nice work.

As to trolling through pages? There is a little function on peoples names...

[jeheinz72]

And SY, if you are just a run-of-the-mill villager, your attitude isn't really helping you.

Seriously. Just to get that outta here is almost worth my vote.

[jeheinz72]

I'd really like to know where Lathum sits on things before I vote. He's easily the closest thing I have to a trusted player

[Alan T]

BOOM!

[Sonic Youth]

And SY, if you are just a run-of-the-mill villager, your attitude isn't really helping you.Attitude? Bloody hell people. I'm sorry your all being hypocritical. Am I to now conclude that it is ok to say what people have as objects without someone getting angry? No? Great. If you can't find that post then your not deserved of knowing. It shouldn't take you long. There, is that enough attitude for you.

I still stand by what I say. A vote for me without reason and then seeing me lynched showing me as a vanilla villager should then attract a hell of a lot of attention. First I think Chief Rum really didn't explain his vote. And Jakal only voted for me as I voted for him. I'm still not convinced of his answer either.

[Sonic Youth]

Because nfg did it out of nowhere, for no real good reason.

Yours would be uh, to save your hide.

Seriously. Just to get that outta here is almost worth my vote.I hope you'll be happy with yourself after the vote comes in.

I'm off to bed now. If you can't find it, then your obviously wolves who don't really care about finding it.

[Alan T]

You all are mid-discussions on the boat, while sipping on various drinks.. You are talking amongst each other to determine whom each of you find could be responsible for these various deaths and setbacks to the ship... When suddenly The Jackal pulls out a small metal box. He looks at it briefly, flipping it over and around. From your vantage point, all you can tell is it has some LED type clock face and two buttons.

The Jackal presses the Green button and you see the LED face light up 00:02 .. then 00:01... before anyone can realize it, the box explodes in The Jackal's hands.. The Jackal blew himself up!!! Luckily for everyone else, no one had been standing near him at the time. It did blow a pretty nasty hole in the side of the shipwall.. If you wern't already delayed due to engine repairs this would have probably delayed you another day..

Turn 8 voting phase continues... Deadline is still 3pm EST, and votes and event PMs are due at that time.

[claphamsa]

JAckyl is teh stoopid!

[The Jackal]

Well I'm glad I didn't delay the ship any further. Damned fast countdowns. Good luck passengers.

[jeheinz72]

Ok, Sonic.

Let's start over here. Attitudes on both ends aside, k?

I figured out what you have, or at least I think I did. It's a necklace, got it.

Ok, so keeping in mind that ideally I'd like to rule you out as a candidate for my vote today, can you talk more about the two times you were taken off the boat?

The first one was what, you were on a flight, saw a gun-fight and were taken for questioning, right?

What happened on the 2nd time (I'm sure you posted, but a recap would be appreciated)

[jeheinz72]

Wow, ok, this isn't going well

[jeheinz72]

What do we suppose this means (from post 3 now)

1) The Jackal - Blew himself up with bomb. Turn 8 - PASSENGER / BOYFRIEND

Boyfriend?

[Qwikshot]

(sigh)

"And I went on this trip for calm, not calamity..."

[Barkeep49]

(sigh)

"And I went on this trip for calm, not calamity..."
How long have you been waiting to use that line :)?

[Sonic Youth]

I would have been going to bed if I hadn't seen Alan's post!

Ok, here is what I wrote before. Post 2404. This occurred over the weekend. It's damn frustrating not being able to post.

I'm back.

Where have I been?

My last activity, if you recall, was to go to the beach/dive/swim/sunbake. So, I enjoy a bit of swimming, diving and then head back to the beach to sunbake. The sun relaxes me with its warmth, putting me to sleep. I wake up not in time to reboard the ship and have to make do with a park bench to sleep on overnight. Not only did I miss the previous turn, I'll also be missing out on doing something in this turn, as after cleaning myself up and grabbing a bit to eat, it's too late to do anything. My activities where watching TV and playing some shuffleboard on ships deck.

One thing I think we're missing is those that are voting and looking like paying attention, but keeping quiet. There is one who comes to mind: ntndeacon.

[Sonic Youth]

Alan - Incidently, does Jakal's vote still count?

I really don't have more than that to tell about that last absence either.

[jeheinz72]

So SY, this 2nd time

You overslept on the beach, ala path on Day one, correct?
Then you miss the boat, and get back on too late in time to submit the next action, though your action was going to be to stay on the ship anyhow? Or is it because you missed the boat your activities were TV and shuffleboard?

[Qwikshot]

How long have you been waiting to use that line :)?

OOC: I was working with joke writers for 72 hours...

[Alan T]

Alan - Incidently, does Jakal's vote still count?

I really don't have more than that to tell about that last absence either.

He approached the captain with his concerns (made his vote) prior to blowing himself to bits... so his concern was noted by the captain and the vote stands.

[jeheinz72]

Qwik - What are your thoughts on all of this?

[Sonic Youth]

So SY, this 2nd time

You overslept on the beach, ala path on Day one, correct?
Then you miss the boat, and get back on too late in time to submit the next action, though your action was going to be to stay on the ship anyhow? Or is it because you missed the boat your activities were TV and shuffleboard?
Correct, I did oversleep which meant I missed getting back when the boat closed for the night. Hence the park bench. The next morning after cleaning myself up and getting a bite to eat, I find that it's too late to do anything and end up with the activites the next morning on the boat of TV and shuffleboard. All because I slept on the beach and missed getting back to the boat before it closed up for the night.

[Sonic Youth]

He approached the captain with his concerns (made his vote) prior to blowing himself to bits... so his concern was noted by the captain and the vote stands. Thought it might be along those lines.

Hmm. I wonder how his vote stands with the Captain now that he blew himself up on the Captains nice ship?

[jeheinz72]

Correct, I did oversleep which meant I missed getting back when the boat closed for the night. Hence the park bench. The next morning after cleaning myself up and getting a bite to eat, I find that it's too late to do anything and end up with the activites the next morning on the boat of TV and shuffleboard. All because I slept on the beach and missed getting back to the boat before it closed up for the night.

Ok, gotcha, thanks

Given that, and that it lines up with Path's explanation, I don't think I'm voting for you today.

[oliegirl]

Attitude? Bloody hell people. I'm sorry your all being hypocritical. Am I to now conclude that it is ok to say what people have as objects without someone getting angry? No? Great. If you can't find that post then your not deserved of knowing. It shouldn't take you long. There, is that enough attitude for you.

I still stand by what I say. A vote for me without reason and then seeing me lynched showing me as a vanilla villager should then attract a hell of a lot of attention. First I think Chief Rum really didn't explain his vote. And Jakal only voted for me as I voted for him. I'm still not convinced of his answer either.

OK - the difference is, NFG outed an item that wasn't his, you are talking about something in YOUR possession. And to top it off, you are going on and on about this when you have already said what it was, but you want us to search through 50 pages of posts to find it.

I did click on your name to find other posts, that is how I found the 2 I referenced when this all started. But that doesn't show the ENTIRE post, it shows a short blurb of it, so unless the post you are talking about is one says "Oliegirl, I have (insert item here)", then chances are it's going to be difficult to locate the post you are talking about b/c we still have to click on each one and read the entire thing to find it.

VOTE SONIC YOUTH

You brought this on yourself, I had no intention of voting for you today until you started with this and refused to give the information that you've supposedly already given.

[jeheinz72]

- I'm not voting Lathum since I trust him
- I'm not voting Olie since I think I trust her and she was basically faced with shooting two villagers (in that it would be riskier for her to shoot someone else and be wrong than it was for her to shoot one of them and be wrong)
- I'm not voting Sonic, I think he's likely good and uber-defensive about things
- I'm not voting Taz, since he voted Pass last vote
- I'm not voting for Chief Rum or NTN, it's just too hard to decipher the little they've posted. They could be wolves, but it's the lower percentage try

That leaves KWhit, Qwikshot and nfg

[Sonic Youth]

I still have a vote to put somewhere since Jakal went and blew himself up. Hmm.

My reason for this vote is that he turns up to vote, but has contributed less than me, while not actually having been off the ship like I have. Chief Rum says I've been quiet. I'm nothing compared to ntndeacon.

Unvote Jakal.
Vote ntndeacon.

[jeheinz72]

Lathum, I see you're around, what do you think?

Right now I'm leaning nfg personally.

[Sonic Youth]

OK - the difference is, NFG outed an item that wasn't his, you are talking about something in YOUR possession. And to top it off, you are going on and on about this when you have already said what it was, but you want us to search through 50 pages of posts to find it.

You have how many posts and your using the excuse of scrolling through pages of posts? I'd imagine you've been here long enough to look through the 70 odd post I've made in this thread. If each page holds 50 posts, that scrolling through 50 pages is pretty weak.

I did click on your name to find other posts, that is how I found the 2 I referenced when this all started. But that doesn't show the ENTIRE post, it shows a short blurb of it, so unless the post you are talking about is one says "Oliegirl, I have (insert item here)", then chances are it's going to be difficult to locate the post you are talking about b/c we still have to click on each one and read the entire thing to find it.
Did you know that the post in question stands out? If you've searched that way you'll see.

You brought this on yourself, I had no intention of voting for you today until you started with this and refused to give the information that you've supposedly already given.I've held off saying this. Your being lazy. You're going to have egg on your face if your a passenger.

Now I've brought it on myself :D

I'm still not going to vote for you, because at the moment I know enough about you that at least your not just flying under the radar.

[jeheinz72]

Sonic, FYI, keeping in mind that I'm not voting for you today. It is, IMO just as bad that you know the post number and won't just quote it to prove the point that you are trying to make.

[mccollins]

I know the post number too! *hits self with shovel back into the grave*

[Lathum]

Lathum, I see you're around, what do you think?

Right now I'm leaning nfg personally.

I'm leaning towards SY, you or CR.

I also am not sold on Olie being good. If she was a wolf she was presented with a great oppritunity to kill a villager yesterday and not get to much heat for it.

The thing is I'm not sure Olie would identify that on he own ( no offense Olie). But you and CR would put her up to that.

[Lathum]

dola- Sonic, I don't get your attitude right now.

Olie just said she was at work and you call her lazy for not looking back?

Around here we respect people's real life excuses.

If you know where the post is just quote it already.

[jeheinz72]

I'm leaning towards SY, you or CR.

I also am not sold on Olie being good. If she was a wolf she was presented with a great oppritunity to kill a villager yesterday and not get to much heat for it.

The thing is I'm not sure Olie would identify that on he own ( no offense Olie). But you and CR would put her up to that.

Wait, I'm confused, what did I put her up to? Shooting someone?

[oliegirl]

You have how many posts and your using the excuse of scrolling through pages of posts? I'd imagine you've been here long enough to look through the 70 odd post I've made in this thread. If each page holds 50 posts, that scrolling through 50 pages is pretty weak.


Did you know that the post in question stands out? If you've searched that way you'll see.

I've held off saying this. Your being lazy. You're going to have egg on your face if your a passenger.

Now I've brought it on myself :D

I'm still not going to vote for you, because at the moment I know enough about you that at least your not just flying under the radar.

Sonic, I'm working. I'm not able to just sit here and go through your posts. I've explained that more than once. We have all asked nicely for you to just either give the post number or quote the entire thing. My vote on you right now isn't so much that I think you are a wolf, but I think you are not working with the rest of the villagers, which means you could be seen as a liability to the team, rather than an asset. You have caused such commotion with your attitude and refusal to just give the information you've already given, that we've all spent the last 2 or 3 hours dealing with you rather than being able to really look for a wolf or find suspicious behavior from someone else. That is why I said you brought it on yourself.

If I wasn't working then yes, I'd have the time to go through all of your posts and read them thoroughly, but that just isn't the case. If you give the post number or quote the original post you've been referring to, I'll gladly move my vote, but until then it stands. For the good of the team, just give us the information.

[Lathum]

Lathum, I see you're around, what do you think?

Right now I'm leaning nfg personally.

dola-I will say NFG is playing very different then past games.

[jeheinz72]

dola-I will say NFG is playing very different then past games.

Agreed.

I can't tell if that's because those past games didn't work out for him, or if it's because he's a wolf (though he's been a wolf before)

[Lathum]

Wait, I'm confused, what did I put her up to? Shooting someone?

what I am saying is the IF Oli is a wolf she was presented with an opritunity to get an extra kill of a passanger with minimal risk.

You and CR are the only 2 people left in the game that I see taking advantage of that oppritunity, maybe kWhit also.

No offense to anyone else, it's just how their evil minds work.

[jeheinz72]

what I am saying is the IF Oli is a wolf she was presented with an opritunity to get an extra kill of a passanger with minimal risk.

You and CR are the only 2 people left in the game that I see taking advantage of that oppritunity, maybe kWhit also.

No offense to anyone else, it's just how their evil minds work.

Ok gotcha, like if I'm bad and she's bad you think I'm devious enough to convince her to do it.

Got it.

It's not true, but Got it.

[jeheinz72]

Lathum,

Given I'm not cool with the idea of voting for me, do you really think it's smart for us to try a completely new candidate today (CR)?

Also, do you know if your vote still has the extra power to it?

[jeheinz72]

Well, I think it's our best move. I think KWhit is a passenger now that I re-read his posts.

Qwik I can't get a great read on, but I don't recall him doing anything blatantly wolfish

Vote nfg22

[nfg22]

ok. Im playing differently because of my work schedule and the way this game plays. This game has nothing to go on. Seriously. I have no idea who is bad, I just has suspicions from gut feeling.

As for SY. I want to know what my item does. I dont even know. I have been wearing the item for a while now. I looked through your post briefly and couldnt find it. Ill look again.

[Lathum]

Lathum,

Given I'm not cool with the idea of voting for me, do you really think it's smart for us to try a completely new candidate today (CR)?

Also, do you know if your vote still has the extra power to it?

I have no idea if my vote carries extra weight.

I am leaning towards CR right now. He has done far less analysis then usual and I am wondering if thats because this game has so many moving parts he is leary of saying something out of line

[KWhit]

Well, I think it's our best move. I think KWhit is a passenger now that I re-read his posts.

Thank you. I keep getting lumped into the UTR crowd. I don't feel like I've been playing UTR, but some of you guys make like 100 posts a day in here. It's hard to keep up!

Well, I'm voting for Sonic Youth. I don't like the fact that he's been stuck away from the boat 2 times. I don't know what game mechanic that could be, but it's suspicious. I imagine he has to have some sort of role that makes him stay away from the boat periodically. Maybe making contact with the Underground or something like that.

Also, his confrontational attitude seems wolfish to me. Definitely not helpful to the rest of us.

VOTE SONIC YOUTH

[KWhit]

I have no idea if my vote carries extra weight.

Why do you say that? I thought you were explicitly told that it does?

[KWhit]

Does anyone have a vote count?

[KWhit]

What do we suppose this means (from post 3 now)

1) The Jackal - Blew himself up with bomb. Turn 8 - PASSENGER / BOYFRIEND

Boyfriend?

I'm not really familiar with the Boyfriend role. Has anyone been in a WW game with it before?

[Lathum]

Why do you say that? I thought you were explicitly told that it does?

it has for the last 2 votes but I wasn't given any time frame

[jeheinz72]

Sonic (4) : CR (2818), Jackal (2824), Olie (2867), KWhit (2886)
Olie (1) : nfg (2815)
NTN (1) : SY (2869)
NFG (1) : jeheinz72 (2883)

Not voting: Qwikshot, NTNDeacon, Lathum

[oliegirl]

I had a thought...how many people did we "vote off" early in the game, but nothing happened? Or how many people have been voted off more than once, but are still around? Is it possible that passenger suspicion is what makes you a wolf????

Again, I'm working so I don't have the time to go back through and research this right now, but I thought I'd throw it out there in case someone more resourceful than me has been keeping track of all that has been going on...

[jeheinz72]

Sonic (4) : CR (2818), Jackal (2824), Olie (2867), KWhit (2886)
Olie (1) : nfg (2815)
NTN (1) : SY (2869)
NFG (1) : jeheinz72 (2883)

Not voting: Qwikshot, NTNDeacon, Lathum

I should add that Taz hasn't voted as well

[Lathum]

so I wanna know who the girlfriend is

[KWhit]

it has for the last 2 votes but I wasn't given any time frame

Oh. You mean you aren't sure if it still carries extra weight. Gotcha.

[KWhit]

so I wanna know who the girlfriend is

Who's the pitcher and who's the catcher?

[nfg22]

I had a thought...how many people did we "vote off" early in the game, but nothing happened? Or how many people have been voted off more than once, but are still around? Is it possible that passenger suspicion is what makes you a wolf????

Again, I'm working so I don't have the time to go back through and research this right now, but I thought I'd throw it out there in case someone more resourceful than me has been keeping track of all that has been going on...

What? Suspicion makes you a wolf? thats ridiculous.

[nfg22]

I found the info on my necklace. Cant believe I missed all that. Also I think its funny that two times I have not been asked for my night actions twice. Last night I drank red stripe beer. Nothing happened.

[KWhit]

What? Suspicion makes you a wolf? thats ridiculous.

How do you really feel?

[nfg22]

I dont like votng for SY. CR and Oliegirl are still on my radar.

[TazFTW]

BOOM!

Uh, WTF!
This is not the cruise that I signed up to do
Gunfire, a bomb. It seems like I'm still alive just out of dumb luck.
Seriously is this the boat from Speed 2?

[jeheinz72]

I'm not really familiar with the Boyfriend role. Has anyone been in a WW game with it before?

My first guess was that the BF and GF had to vote together. But unless it was something that developed mid-game, that isn't holding true

Voting with Jackal, living players
// is where Jackal's vote was
This of course doesn't factor in unvotes or re-votes, I'm too lazy for that

1: CR, // Qwik, SY
2: jeheinz, // Olie, NTN, Taz
3: Lathum, nfg, jeheinz72, kwhit, olie, //
4: jeheinz72, //
5: No Jackal Vote
6: //, CR, nfg, qwik, jeheinz72, SY, Olie, KWht

I'm not seeing any real pattern there, other than myself and I ain't Jackal's girl-ho.

So it must not be vote-related.

[jeheinz72]

I found the info on my necklace. Cant believe I missed all that. Also I think its funny that two times I have not been asked for my night actions twice. Last night I drank red stripe beer. Nothing happened.

Can you run down your night actions in general for us?

[jeheinz72]

Maybe the BF/GF thing is excursion related.

Does anyone have Jackal's excursions?

[Lathum]

man, alans game just made my laptop go crazy.

I tried using the links on the frontpage to see if anyone was voting each day with Jackyl and IE windows started popping up like crazy

[jeheinz72]

man, alans game just made my laptop go crazy.

I tried using the links on the frontpage to see if anyone was voting each day with Jackyl and IE windows started popping up like crazy

PEBCAK

[Lathum]

PEBCAK

huh?

[jeheinz72]

huh?

Definitely PEBCAK. ;)

[jeheinz72]

Problem Exists Betweek Chair And Keyboard

[Lathum]

nerd

[ntndeacon]

Since Ihave a class I need to be quick about this.

Vote Sonic Youth

[Lathum]

Sonic (5) : CR (2818), Jackal (2824), Olie (2867), KWhit (2886) NTNDeacon (2911)
Olie (1) : nfg (2815)
NTN (1) : SY (2869)
NFG (1) : jeheinz72 (2883)

[Lathum]

VOTE CHIEFRUM

[Lathum]

wow.

I'm a threadkiller

[jeheinz72]

wow.

I'm a threadkiller


Well, I'm torn. I trust you, but I don't understand putting a potentially weighted vote onto a brand-new candidate at this point.

*cue his putting his vote on me*

[jeheinz72]

Nm, I don't actually have a vote on me, I thought I did.

[Lathum]

Nm, I don't actually have a vote on me, I thought I did.

I heavily weighed that. I just am not sure SY is the way to go.

[oliegirl]

What? Suspicion makes you a wolf? thats ridiculous.

I guess you went to the Sonic Youth School of Teamwork, good to know we are all willing to listen to each other ideas without being nasty and condescending.

[oliegirl]

I heavily weighed that. I just am not sure SY is the way to go.

Why do you think CR is the way to go? Especially when no one else has voted for him today?

[TazFTW]

I really don't feel that Sonic Youth is the right choice
so I'm going in another direction and hope there's no remorse
With that I Vote NFG22 so people can hear my voice
Will the pleasure cruise ever get back on course?

[jeheinz72]

I heavily weighed that. I just am not sure SY is the way to go.

I don't think he is either. I think he's a villager who's basically let his emotions get the best of him, I remember now in RendeR's game he did kind of the same thing to a statement I made. I only nudged him with speculation and he came full bore back at me, and if memory serves he was a villager then

I also think if he was really a wolf, when signing off for the night he'd both

A) Present his case stronger (not focus on the essentially meaningless tiff with Olie about post #'s)
B) Put his vote on someone that might actually be a decent candidate, not the shot-in-the-dark ntndeacon

[jeheinz72]

Sonic (5) : CR (2818), Jackal (2824), Olie (2867), KWhit (2886) NTNDeacon (2911)
Olie (1) : nfg (2815)
NTN (1) : SY (2869)
NFG (1) : jeheinz72 (2883), Taz (2920)
CR (1): Lathum (2913)

No vote: Qwikshot

[jeheinz72]

Bah

Sonic (5) : CR (2818), Jackal (2824), Olie (2867), KWhit (2886) NTNDeacon (2911)
NFG (2) : jeheinz72 (2883), Taz (2920)
Olie (1) : nfg (2815)
NTN (1) : SY (2869)
CR (1): Lathum (2913)

No vote: Qwikshot

[jeheinz72]

I think we need 5 to get a lynch

[Lathum]

unvote ChiefRum
Vote Oliegirl

killing Path seems to calculated

[jeheinz72]

Why do that now, after the vote on CR? Why not just vote Olie off the bat?

[Lathum]

Why do that now, after the vote on CR? Why not just vote Olie off the bat?

re evaluated my choice.

If olie is a wolf we learn the most

[Alan T]

Deadline. I have the following for the vote count. someone please correct me if I am wrong:

(5) Sonic Youth - Chief Rum (2818), the jackal (2824), oliegirl (2867), Kwhit (2886), ntndeacon (2911)
(2) Nfg22 - Jeheinz (2883), tazftw (2920)
(2) Oliegirl - Nfg22 (2815), Lathum (2925)
(1) Ntndeacon - Sonic Youth (2869)

[jeheinz72]

Should be interesting to see how much Lathum's possible power bumps Olie up

[oliegirl]

Well I'm a villager so you aren't going to learn anything from my death, if I die...

[Lathum]

I forgot to submit for an excursion

[Alan T]

The captain readies to let you leave the ship in what you hope is the last day in Montego Bay. Before unlocking the gate he announces that once again he has someone that has been deemed suspicious enough by his fellow passengers to warrant his removal from the ship.

The captain instructs the crew to take Sonic Youth and escort him off of the ship! Once that has been seen to, the captain invites the rest of you to go and enjoy the town.

It is now event response phase of turn 8. Those whom have events to respond to, the deadline for those PMs is 10pm EST tonight.

[Lathum]

hmmm, either my power has faded of there was something in place to protect Olie

[jeheinz72]

hmmm, either my power has faded of there was something in place to protect Olie

Or you actually have the ability to choose when it is isn't used

[Alan T]

All PMs have been sent, if you did not receive one, please let me know.

[jeheinz72]

This is what I/we get for not listening to path from the get-go I'm afraid.

[Lathum]

This is what I/we get for not listening to path from the get-go I'm afraid.

afraid of what?

[Alan T]

On a side note, today this game passed Tombstone for most posts in one of my WW games. I guess having no deaths for several days can do something like that. :)

[oliegirl]

hmmm, either my power has faded of there was something in place to protect Olie

If there was something in place, then I am not aware of it.

I chose to stay on the boat today and relax.

[jeheinz72]

afraid of what?

The fact you're a wolf

- Ropes were almost cut, but luckily, you saved the day

- I could've poisoned someone's food, but I'm a swell guy, so I didn't. And I say I didn't first, so when I do and it's a villager, it's suspect, but slightly dimminished since you telegraphed it
- Pretty much every other heavy-hitter in our WW group is dead, save CR, who was either left for last due to his time constraints, or is also a wolf.
- Note you vote for CR, which is either a setup of him for tomorrow or a cursory wolf-vote in case it has legs. You knew that the better players would push you on your stories, so you 86'd them earlier as you had to do more things
- Ditto your addition of me to your suspect list. It's a big setup for you for tomorrow. You'd like nothing more than to get it to probably a Me vs CR showdown I'd bet.
- You hand us Pass, who was basically toast anyhow, cutting ties to gain trust
- You've hardly been anywhere verifiable all game, when you have, it's with someone who easily could be a wolf too (Olie shoots path for you, she "bets" you in golf when you're the only two playing, you vote for her but way too late and needlessly to make a difference)

[jeheinz72]

*cue response with incredulous tone*

[Lathum]

I'd really like to know where Lathum sits on things before I vote. He's easily the closest thing I have to a trusted player

The fact you're a wolf

- Ropes were almost cut, but luckily, you saved the day

- I could've poisoned someone's food, but I'm a swell guy, so I didn't. And I say I didn't first, so when I do and it's a villager, it's suspect, but slightly dimminished since you telegraphed it
- Pretty much every other heavy-hitter in our WW group is dead, save CR, who was either left for last due to his time constraints, or is also a wolf.
- Note you vote for CR, which is either a setup of him for tomorrow or a cursory wolf-vote in case it has legs. You knew that the better players would push you on your stories, so you 86'd them earlier as you had to do more things
- Ditto your addition of me to your suspect list. It's a big setup for you for tomorrow. You'd like nothing more than to get it to probably a Me vs CR showdown I'd bet.
- You hand us Pass, who was basically toast anyhow, cutting ties to gain trust
- You've hardly been anywhere verifiable all game, when you have, it's with someone who easily could be a wolf too (Olie shoots path for you, she "bets" you in golf when you're the only two playing, you vote for her but way too late and needlessly to make a difference)


interesting you flipped so fast.

It's almost like you had this all set up to go despite me being your most trusted player a few hours ago.

[Lathum]

I'm pretty sure Heinze is a wolf

[jeheinz72]

interesting you flipped so fast.

It's almost like you had this all set up to go despite me being your most trusted player a few hours ago.

Close.

It all dawned on me earlier today and I wanted to see how you reacted to my saying that.

Then when you actually took that and said you suspect me, without really acknowledging my statement, I figured out what your plan was.

[jeheinz72]

I'm pretty sure Heinze is a wolf

I'm pretty sure you know I'm not.

[KWhit]

The fact you're a wolf

- Ropes were almost cut, but luckily, you saved the day

- I could've poisoned someone's food, but I'm a swell guy, so I didn't. And I say I didn't first, so when I do and it's a villager, it's suspect, but slightly dimminished since you telegraphed it
- Pretty much every other heavy-hitter in our WW group is dead, save CR, who was either left for last due to his time constraints, or is also a wolf.
- Note you vote for CR, which is either a setup of him for tomorrow or a cursory wolf-vote in case it has legs. You knew that the better players would push you on your stories, so you 86'd them earlier as you had to do more things
- Ditto your addition of me to your suspect list. It's a big setup for you for tomorrow. You'd like nothing more than to get it to probably a Me vs CR showdown I'd bet.
- You hand us Pass, who was basically toast anyhow, cutting ties to gain trust
- You've hardly been anywhere verifiable all game, when you have, it's with someone who easily could be a wolf too (Olie shoots path for you, she "bets" you in golf when you're the only two playing, you vote for her but way too late and needlessly to make a difference)


Why would he make up that elaborate ropes story? I don't see the risk/reward in a wolf doing that.

[jeheinz72]

Why would he make up that elaborate ropes story? I don't see the risk/reward in a wolf doing that.

Sure, nothing went actually wrong did it? I mean we didn't actually get delayed. Why not say you fixed it.

Worst case it lingers as a minor point in peoples eyes, but look at the votes, it never even got Lathum close to getitng lynched. It worked perfectly.

[oliegirl]

Alright guys, I am out for a few hours...have a bunch of errands to do and then dinner with some friends before we leave. I have to pack when I get home so I'm not sure if I'll be on before deadline or not, I'll try to check in but can't make any promises.

[Qwikshot]

OOC:Sorry for the non-vote I was in a meeting from around 12 to 3:30 then drove home...

[Lathum]

I don't see one, no.

I went on the safari. It was...interesting. My driver was shot and killed and I was told never to go back.

OK, did some post digging on heinze from early in the game. Found some intersting stuff.


I meant I didn't see a problem with us revealing our excursions (my bad, should've quoted your post)

I saw him and CR on the safari, just us 3 as far as I know (well unless you count the pyscho who killed the driver, threatened us and ran off).

Heinze, Qwik, and CR all were on the safari day one when the driver was killed. Interestingly enough all 3 of them are alive.

Well, the reason I did that already presented itself. I figured since a "bad" thing (the driver getting shot by the random guy) happened and I had nothing to do with it, I wanted people who could corroborate.

he claims he wanted someone to corroborate his story, would be easy to fabricate something if they were all wolves. For all we know they ate the drver.


I don't like the convenience of it all, and I don't like a tie

Unvote St Cronin

Vote Sonic Youth

this happened AFTER the deadline. Seems like he was trying to come off as a helpfull villager type

No he wasn't (ahead). Alan confirmed it was a tie, and since mine missed the deadline it was a tie when I attempted to do it.

I was voting to break the ties.

Anx's vote was to get a vote in.

The cronin vote was admiteddly stupid. I was trying to get a 3rd candidate up there, and went off of a mistaken post count posted shortly before when I did it. At the time, I thought he had a vote on him. I can reference the posts if anyone would like.

here he says he wanted to get a third candidate, spreading out the vote is precisly what a wolf would want to do given the voting dynamic

FTR

0) Safari, driver killed, crazy guy escapes to jungle. Choose to drive jeep back
1) Ruins, nothing happened, saw no one in particular
2) Shipwreck snorkeling, nothing happened, saw no one in particular

interesting. First activity something very odd happens involving CR and Qwik.
Then his next 2 activities can't be verified by anyone.



Thirdly, Lathum's story about the ropes being cut, and thinking someone had to be on the boat to do that (which makes sense to me), that adds suspicion on those that stayed on the boat yesterday, which Swaggs did.

I think that's the case, or at least how I read it (hope it was proper!)

here he says he believes me about the ropes. Now he doesn;t. Intersting


Yes, I saw: Chief Rum, Hoopsguy, path12, mccollins

No options here either.

hmm, 3 dead villagers and CR.

For discerning purposes



Should clap come back as a passenger, which I think he will, I'll be looking hard at Qwik, Collins, Jackal and Path. 4 votes (out of 5 for the two) in a space of 31 posts and 26 minutes. That's quite a run there.

again. 3 dead villagers but this time Qwik. Classic wolf play to mention one of your own in a distrusted list.


I think that connection needs looking at.

[jeheinz72]

So wait, now all of the sudden this game has 3 starting wolves and Alan put us all on a safari had us shoot the driver? Why, if we were all wolves, would we even mention the dead driver and not just say we say some cool stuff?

Also, the vote where I made the late switch, that was clap vs Sonic. Aka, villager vs villager, why in the bloody blue hell would I stick my neck out like that if I *knew* as a wolf that both were passengers. Why would I care?

I expected a much better argument from you Lathum

[jeheinz72]

As far as initially believing the ropes, yes, I did initially. That now coupled with path's poisoning and shooting, your killing of Cronin, the strange coincidence that all of the heavy-hitters happen to be the ones voted off and your vote today (not wanting to pile on SY who you knew was a passenger while pushing myself and CR for tomorrow and then tossing your vote on likely fellow-wolf Olie when you knew it was safe to do so) causes me to think that's just another lie in the string for you.

Opinions can change Lathum, especially when other evidence is presented.

[jeheinz72]

hmm, 3 dead villagers and CR.

That's 3 dead villagers by your doing and the 2 people you haven't gotten around to having killed yet.

[jeheinz72]

FYI, I'm here for 20 more minutes and then I'm gone until the morning.

Those of you who're only checking in once/twice a day, be wary about your vote. Lathum had us all duped.

[Lathum]

again, if I was a wolf why would I put my neck on the line?

I strongly feel you guys are wolves, if I need to be lynched tomorrow so be it, I think my usefullness has run it's course.

[jeheinz72]

again, if I was a wolf why would I put my neck on the line?

I strongly feel you guys are wolves, if I need to be lynched tomorrow so be it, I think my usefullness has run it's course.

Because you did it wisely, you put your neck out in a safe enough (and effective enough) manner

You knew that no one would really lynch someone who says they actually prevented the boat from leaving. You knew you'd get some heat, but at most a few votes, which happened.

[Lathum]

no, I was being helpfull and getting info out there.

I knew at some point I would be lynched, the way I played was reckless, albeit necessary.

[jeheinz72]

Bull.

[jeheinz72]

How do you explain all of the other things I'm pointing out?

It's just a mere coincidence that a bunch of heavy hitters aside from yourself, the one with a lot of trust, the one with the captains ear, the one who can poison food, the one who handed us a wolf, is left alone? Pure coincidence, right?

And it's coincidence, that in a vital vote in this game, you did a completely un-Lathum thing to do and basically threw away your vote, only changing it once it was far too late for it to matter?

[Lathum]

the whole "heavy hitters" argument is so tired, and if you want to go that route most would consider you a vet at this point.

[jeheinz72]

the whole "heavy hitters" argument is so tired, and if you want to go that route most would consider you a vet at this point.

And that's why you mentioned me today, you're finally getting around to me

This ain't my first rodeo either, but compared to who you've had killed, I'm an amateur.

[jeheinz72]

Well, time to hit the road, I'll be back in the AM

[Lathum]

- Ropes were almost cut, but luckily, you saved the day

Why make this up here, makes no sense at all.

- I could've poisoned someone's food, but I'm a swell guy, so I didn't. And I say I didn't first, so when I do and it's a villager, it's suspect, but slightly dimminished since you telegraphed it

I poisened Path because of his constant badgering of me. So I cant put him on the toilet but Olie can blow his head off?


- Pretty much every other heavy-hitter in our WW group is dead, save CR, who was either left for last due to his time constraints, or is also a wolf.

this is a weak argument and one that is used by wolves trying to get people lynched late in the game.

- Note you vote for CR, which is either a setup of him for tomorrow or a cursory wolf-vote in case it has legs. You knew that the better players would push you on your stories, so you 86'd them earlier as you had to do more things

Really?

PAth- killed by olie
BK- lynched
Pass- Lynched by me/ wolf
Cronin- my bad

to take it a step further, hoops was killed and he was ON MY SIDE, why would I want to kill him?


- Ditto your addition of me to your suspect list. It's a big setup for you for tomorrow. You'd like nothing more than to get it to probably a Me vs CR showdown I'd bet.

no set up, people are free to make their own choices.

- You hand us Pass, who was basically toast anyhow, cutting ties to gain trust

regardless of his status, I gave us a wolf on a day when we wouldn't have gotten one, and IIRC you were very much against me using that strategy that day? Is that because you were protecting Pass.

YOu know as well as I do wolves can have roles witin themselves. Maybe Pass was the "converter" wolf and you wanted to keep him another day to convert again.

- You've hardly been anywhere verifiable all game, when you have, it's with someone who easily could be a wolf too (Olie shoots path for you, she "bets" you in golf when you're the only two playing, you vote for her but way too late and needlessly to make a difference)


one could say the same for you.

[Lathum]

looks like its gonna be a quiet night

[claphamsa]

too bad, im bored!

[Chief Rum]

Hmm, I'm not really sure what to say to all of this. I feel like the chick between two guys, but instead of being pulled back and forth, they're both trying to push me away.

All of which is funny, because I don't have a dern thing to do with either of them.

I think my time constraints HAVE helped keep me around, for better or worse. Villagers forget I am here, and wolves don't figure my schedule makes me all that dangerous. If lynching me is the way to go, then do it. At least then I can go work out after work instead of rushing home. These middle of the day deadline games are nuts hard for me to do a thing with.

I explained it to clap yesterday, and it really still applies. I can't be here for the voting deadline, and the results of that are mostly talked out by the time I get back. The late deadline has been generally quiet (witness tonight, for instance). So if it seems like I have done less analysis, well, you're right, I have done less. Most of what is to be said is said by the time I get home!

I'll look through things and try to come up with stuff, but if it's not there, chances are I will speculate to a misleading point and lead us away from the best candidate (heck, unwittingly done it before).

Personally, I still think Lathum and jeheinz are misguided villagers, although that's partly based on the fact they both make the same sort of argument (CR might be bad, here's how the other guy is conspiring with him). Since I know that to be false, I assume they are both blowing smoke up each other's asses.

[The Jackal]

I blew smoke up my own ass. :(

[Lathum]

I blew up my own ass. :(

fixed

[Chief Rum]

fixed

lol

[Lathum]

does anyone recall if The Jackyl ever missed the boat?

[Alan T]

Deadline.. Will be sending out Pms in a few minutes. Running a little late tonight. Writeup and all PMs should be out by 10:30-10:45 EST

[Alan T]

Actually going to send out PMs now. Writeup might still be delayed, just will depend if I finish with PMs before I have to do some work in about 10 minutes!

[Alan T]

You return to the ship just in time to see the crew scurrying about. It appears that once again someone was killed aboard the ship! This time it appears that Qwikshot was found dead in his room!!

It takes a little bit of time for the mess to be cleaned up, but the captain wastes no time in getting the ship out of port. You have obviously been in Montego Bay for too long. The announcement that you are on your way to Haitai is greeted with a loud cheer from the other passengers. You will need to pick some excursion for tommorrow's day from your pamphlet:

Labadee:

On the north coast of Hispaniola, surrounded by beautiful mountain slopes and exotic foliage, sits Labadee. This exclusive destination offers pristine beaches, breathtaking scenery and spectacular water activities. We even have an amazing new Aqua Park for kids. Regardless of where you go, you'll find yourself embraced by the beautiful landscape. Labadee's native charm, along with its natural beauty, make this a destination not to be missed.

- Paddle along the gorgeous coastline of Labadee on a relaxing kayaking tour. Your guide will lead you through beautiful coral reefs, where you'll witness an abundance of exotic marine life. You'll also pass various fishing villages that have been unchanged for decades.
- Ahoy mateys! Become a pirate for a day at Labadee Luc's spash Bash. Get drenched by ground geysers and water archways, battle other buccaneers with water cannons aboard the pirate ship, or explore the treasure map trail.
- Grab a bird's eye view as you soar 400 feet above the beautiful peninsula of Labadee on a thrilling parasailing ride.


It is now Turn 9. This is a voting phase, so please place your votes in this thread. You also should submit to me via PM what day trip you would like to make for tommorrow. The deadline for the vote and the PM is 3pm EST Thursday!

[KWhit]

Work? This late?

[Alan T]

Work? This late?


I am a network engineer. When I make changes to the internal network, it has to be in certain outage windows. My outage window for the PST opens in 45 minutes, so I have to do prep before this router change.

I love my job, and enjoy the flexibility that it brings, but the downsides is the off hour work I have to do and occasionally being on call :)

[Raiders Army]

This has to be the worst game the villagers have ever played. Fortunately I died early on, so I'm not to blame. :)

[nfg22]

screw all this. Olie and Hienz are both wolfs. Im sure. By the way it may seem brash but im sick of killing Villagers.

Vote Heinz

[Lathum]

It's hard to play as a villager when there is almost no informatio that can be trusted and when you do try and come forward with info people wanna lynch you.

[ntndeacon]

well iplayed golf last night. the first time in a few times I have been off ship (due to not putting in a pm to Alan) noone else went there.

[ntndeacon]

I will admit not paying too much attention since the weekend, but I assume that Taz is still pretty much trusted. is that the case?

[Chief Rum]

Okay, I have to make another vote before leaving for the night, and I decided to take a look the only vote involving a wolf that we have--the clap vs Pass on Voting Turn 7.

Here is the vote order:

2422-- clap votes The Jackal (1)--only vote The Jackal receives; later unvoted
2425-- The Jackal votes clap (1, 1-1 tie J & C)
2429-- Lathum votes clap (2, 2-1 clap)
2430-- Taz votes Pass (1, 2-1-1 C/J/P)
2432-- mccollins votes Pass (2, 2-2-1 C/P/J)
2448-- path12 votes Pass (3, 3-2-1 Pass)-- Pass takes brief lead
2452-- Chief votes clap (3; 3-3-1 tie)
2454-- nfg votes clap (4; 4-3-1 clap)-- clap takes lead for good
2455-- Qwikshot votes clap (5; 5-3-1 clap)-- clap has more votes than given to all other players; majority
2469-- jeheinz votes clap (6; 6-3-1 clap)
2475-- Sonic Youth votes clap (7; 7-3-1 clap)-- clap reaches half of eligible voters; never falls under again
2491-- oliegirl votes clap (8; 8-3-1 clap)
2494-- KWhit votes clap (9; 9-3-1 clap)
2496-- mccollins unvotes Pass and votes clap (10; 10-2-1 clap)
2574-- path12 unvotes Pass and votes clap (11; 11-1-1 clap)-- pinnacle of clap voting
2602-- The Jackal unvotes clap and votes Pass (2; 10-2-1 clap)-- start of Pass bounceback
2611-- mccollins unvotes clap and votes Pass (3; 9-3-1 clap)
2612-- path12 unvotes clap and votes Pass (4; 8-4-1 clap)
2621-- clap unvotes The Jackal and votes Pass (5; 8-5 clap)
2642-- path12 unvotes Pass and votes clap (9; 9-4 clap)
2671-- Lathum unvotes clap and votes Pass (5; 8-5)--final vote

ntndeacon did not vote

The final voters on Pass are all villagers and dead--except for Lathum. And Lathum essentially killed Pass with his vote, a power he had already displayed with st.cronin. Sorry, I think it's just silly to think Lathum is a wolf at this point. If he is, he deserves to win.

So in my mind, that clears Lathum. I also clear ntndeacon, because I don't see a fellow wolf not being involved in this vote. Taz voted Pass first, even when the heat was on clap from The Jackal's mistake, and he stuck with it. In my mind (along with the general unwolfishness of his play), that tells me Taz is clear.

All other remaining players votes for clap.

I started the long run on clap after Pass briefly took the vote lead early in the voting. Yes, that qualifies as a suspicious vote, although I would offer up that I was going on the information I had at the time (The Jackal) and was not around to unvote the next day. nfg, another current player, put clap in the lead for good (another suspicious vote).

Qwikshot, a known villager, pushes clap votes to a majority of the votes given at that point, and in this game, where lynches are hard, that is normally a key point. Votes after this point have to be considered "secure the lynch/bandwagon pile" votes.

In the run to 11-1-1 against clap and after Qwikshot, the following remaining players made votes against clap: jeheinz (to 6-3-1), oliegirl (to 8-3-1), KWhit (to 9-3-1)

To my knowledge, nfg, jeheinz, oliegirl and KWhit were all around when The Jackal retracted his statement against clap and had the chance to switch to Pass. None of them did. I have to believe this is a mark against them.

The nfg/oliegirl dynamic tells me that they are likely not on the same team, and are pretty certainly not BOTH wolves, as I don't see their fighting with each other being some elaborate act. I believe oliegirl, with the later pile on type vote (along with the path12 killing) has the wolf edge, so I will "clear" nfg for now.

I know I am not a wolf, so you all will have to make your own judgments about that. From my perspective then, that leaves jeheinz, oliegirl and KWhit as potential wolves, maybe all of them, as I can definitely see three wolves being left (a normal game of this size, I would guess 4 or 5 originally, and it can't have been 5, because the game would be over right now if it were).

Of these three, I am going to exclude KWhit for the moment, because other than being way too UTR for a solid veteran player, he hasn't made any overt wolf moves that I can recall.

oliegirl killed path12 and jeheinz has spent the past day arguing against Lathum, on top of their votes. This strikes me as most suspicious. This was a tough call, as I think I leaned more toward voting oliegirl. But jeheinz already has a vote, and we need a lynch. So...

VOTE JEHEINZ

[Chief Rum]

Sorry, clarification. Final voters alive on Pass were Lathum, Taz and the rest dead villagers. I later point this out with respect to Taz, but I see that my first paragraph above after the vote recap is incorrect. Apologies for the confusion.

[nfg22]

I think your analysis comes to my conclusion that Oliegirl and Heinz are bad,.

[TazFTW]

Now we have jeheinz versus Lathum to join the nfg/oliegirl tiff
I guess odds are that there is an underground member among the four
I will ponder this as I play a riff
...a 3 hour tour, a 3 hour tour

[Lathum]

CR is so damn good at taking what I am thinking and putting it into sensible analysis.

He is pretty much spot on with my thoughts. OF course, he is also good enough to be pulling my chain :D


VOTE JEHEINZE

no surprise here

[oliegirl]

Either NFG and Heize are both wolves, or NFG and I are just 2 villagers who got into a spat - probably a result of being cooped up on a cruise ship together for over a week...either way, I'm a villager. I'm going to vote with the village, as I have been...

VOTE NFG

[oliegirl]

OOPS - mistyped -

UNVOTE NFG
VOTE JEHEINZE

Sorry! :(

[KWhit]

Nice analysis, CR. Thanks for putting that down. I need to go back and re-read some things before I vote, but I was leaning toward voting for olie or jeheinze. You guys are making my decision easy for me with all of the early votes on jeheinze.

[KWhit]

I don't feel so good about nfg either.

I think your analysis comes to my conclusion that Oliegirl and Heinz are bad.

I think it's entirely possible that nfg is a wolf along with one of the two he calls out here.

[jeheinz72]

screw all this. Olie and Hienz are both wolfs. Im sure. By the way it may seem brash but im sick of killing Villagers.

Vote Heinz

Care to state why you're so sure? I ask because you couldn't be more wrong.

[jeheinz72]

Wow, so it's me today? Frankly, I don't even know if it's worth bothering trying. If you guys can't see how Lathum is pulling the wool over your eyes, there is no point

[jeheinz72]

And on top of it, no one is going to be around to change their vote anyhow

[jeheinz72]

Vote Lathum

[jeheinz72]

CR's analysis
VOTE JEHEINZ

I didn't change back for 2 reasons

A) I was worried it was all a rouse at the time
B) I was worried that we'd not lynch anybody

[KWhit]

Getting a vote out there in case I get busy in meetings. I feel pretty good about this vote, as jeheinze is definitely on my distrust list, but if there was a move to olie or nfg, I would go along as I think one of them is a wolf.

VOTE JEHEINZE

[jeheinz72]

Well at least when I die the game will likely the end (I imagine 3 wolves, so it's 5:3 now, 4:3 when I die, 3:3 at the night kill)

A question to the other four who like me are actually villagers, don't you get it? Don't you see how they ran on me early and got the votes up and forced the "we need x%" line of it?

My money on the wolves are Lathum, CR and one more, hunch says olie.

[KWhit]

Off to a meeting, but here's what I have so far:

jeheinz72 (5) - nfg22 (2977), Chief Rum (2981), Lathum (2985), Oliegirl (2987), KWhit (2995)
lathum (1) - jeheinz72 (2993)

Not voted: ntndeacon, TazFTW

[ntndeacon]

Vote Jeheinz

very interesting analysis.

[jeheinz72]

This game is just an absolute trainwreck for the village.

[jeheinz72]

Not that I haven't contributed to that, hell, I should withdraw my name from the Best Vanilla Villager poll