Werewolf LXX Pleasure Cruise - (GAME OVER)

[hoopsguy]

Pass, I figure you would have a good head for patterns.

[hoopsguy]

I've now met my duties, so I'll abandon this style of posting.

[Passacaglia]

Just keep posting, and you'll be fine?

[Passacaglia]

Well never mind, then! :)

[TazFTW]

This is probably obvious to others, but I just realized that Sonic Youth was not voted off, but was "night killed" or "day killed" or "crew killed" or something during our Day 3 phase.

At the end of voting for turn two (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=1702323#post1702323), the Captain declined to throw anyone off.

The allegiance of each player is announced at their death. How they died or what roles or actions that they may or may not have posessed will not be announced, but might be learned by someone's actions during the game.

I'm not sure if it was a kill
It could have been a wrong choice or he found something illegal
We would have been told if he had ill will
Are there any gun shops in town? I need a Desert Eagle.

[hoopsguy]

OK, moving ahead with info. I would love it if others would follow suit:

Day 0: shopping, pottery, no results of interest
Day 1: stayed on boat on account of being dumb WW player
Day 2: turtles, helped teacher

[Passacaglia]

Weird. So the pattern stopped at 11?

[hoopsguy]

1) The Jackal
2) Nfg22
3) Path12
4) jeheinz72
5) Barkeep49 - Did not return to boat Turn 3
7) Lathum
8) claphasma
9) Passacaglia
10) St.Cronin
11) Hoopsguy
12) PurdueBrad - Did not return to boat Turn 3
13) Raiders Army
14) oliegirl
15) Sonic Youth - Removed from boat by Police Turn 3
16) ntndeacon
17) mccollins
18) Chief Rum
19) Qwikshot
20) TazFTW
21) Anxiety
6) Swaggs
22) Kwhit

This support Taz's idea.

Now there is a guy working hard with his posting rules. Bravo, dude.

[Passacaglia]

Day 0: Mayan ruins, saw no one
Day 1: snorkeling, say claphamsa and The Jackal
Day 2: Conch Shell House, saw KWhit

no responses needed for any of those (KWhit, did you have any from the Conch Shell House?)

[hoopsguy]

Weird. So the pattern stopped at 11?

Ten, actually. I did the last two just out of semi-amusement. Kind of like a posting version of Stockholm Syndrome.

[mccollins]

This support Taz's idea.

Now there is a guy working hard with his posting rules. Bravo, dude.

Indeed! Excellent catch! See everyone tomorrow!

[Passacaglia]

I'm not sure who Blade or Bek are, but I'll say I'm missing blade too!

Seeing "bek" and "blade too" in the same sentence made me laugh.

[Abe Sargent]

I have half an item. The business half. Am looking for the bottom half. LMK if you know what I'm talking about and let's see if we can hook something up.

[Abe Sargent]

A reminder that civility is expected at all time between players.

~Barkeep49, Your Friendly Werewolf Moderator

Good job BK

[nfg22]

Anxiety I may have given it to Oliegirl. What you say sounds to maybe fit mine. I hope Oliegirl can clarify for us soon.

[Abe Sargent]

Wow Lathum passed Claphamsa as the most talkative in this game thus far.

[Chief Rum]

CR im glad you manage just fine but I do not have a job where I can post from work...at all. I also leave at 6 in the morning. The three oclock deadline is hard for me. When I left for work I didnt think anyone needed to be voted for since there was no penalty. But hey vote for me if you wish. I work all nights next month so Ill be better at the next WW.

nfg, you should know by now that I can't post from work either...at all. And I leave by 4 in the morning. I also walked through ten miles of blizzard snow every day to get to school when I was a youngin'. :)

Just saying, if I can do it...but anyway, I didn't even vote for you, what are you worried about? :p

[Chief Rum]

This seems so weird to me, who has a strong voting record at this point? Isn't everybody's voting record basically the same?

Well, no one at that point has a "strong" voting record, but certainly people can establish "suspicious" voting records in even a short time. When there is little information to go on, sometimes you just have to act on what little information there is.

[Chief Rum]

I believe the premise is that nothing is random, which is slightly different than how I think you've been thinking about the game.

I don't see statement A and statement B as being in disagreement here, assuming your statement B is referring to the opinions hoops expresses in the quote you quoted. Nothing he says suggests he believes randomness is part of his view of the game.

[ntndeacon]

I am not going to be able to do much tomorrow during the day, So I will put in my vote now. We now have three that have missed the boat. we need to find out if that is a sign of Wolfiness. so I will vote for the only one of the 3 currently on the vote.
Vote Path

[Abe Sargent]

I am not going to be able to do much tomorrow during the day, So I will put in my vote now. We now have three that have missed the boat. we need to find out if that is a sign of Wolfiness. so I will vote for the only one of the 3 currently on the vote.
Vote Path

I sincerely doubt that any GM, much less an experienced one like AlanT, would err like that. Putting the new wolves into your posts to the thread is akin to taking stupid pills.

[Chief Rum]

Hmm, there doesn't seem to be much else for me to say that hasn't already been said. I tried to go snorkeling at the shipwreck (popular place), and was told I couldn't go (sounds like what Lathum got). As I didn't put down another option, I simply returned to the boat.

I think we need to form a consensus on who to vote for to ensure a lynch. I think we have to assume at least majority. I don't want to miss another day betting on Barkeep's 40%.

Sonic Youth is off the boat. The next two vote getters were jeheinz and st.cronin. I'm still not ready to vote for jeheinz, so I am going to go with st.cronin, in the hope that enough of us will vote to ensure a lynch.

I don't really have a reason to vote for st.cronin or to not vote for him, but the fact others might is enough to sway me to throw my vote there. Since, again, I will not be around for the first deadline, I won't be able to react and change to voting trends, I am afraid.

VOTE ST.CRONIN

[TazFTW]

- Explore the ruins of the ancient Mayan city of Tul'um
- Chankanaab National Marine Park
- Sit back and relax in the white sand of Playa Mia Beach
- Take a Jeep Safari adventure through the tropical landscape of Cozumel's east side.
- Join the Fiesta party boat for a fun-filled trip to Playa del Sol with margaritas, rum punch and a live band
- Snorkel in the clear sapphire-colored water around Cozumel's coral reefs.
-Go shopping in Cozumel, which is regarded as the "St.Thomas of the Western Caribbean." Find great prices on diamonds, colored gemstones, jewelry, watches, gold, silver or even Oriental Rugs. You can also find mexican housewares or various local crafts.

- Snorkle with stingrays at Stingray City Sandbar
- Stop at the Conch Shell House, constructed entirely of the trumpet shells of the mollusk
- Visit the Tutle Farm, an interactive sea-turtle nursery where green and hawksbill turtles are bred and raised.
- Paddle along Grand Cayman's world-renowned Seven-Mile Beach on a kayaking adventure
- Experience a bird's-eye perspective of Grand Cayman on an exciting flightseeing tour.
- Explore a historic shipwreck while snorkeling the beautiful Cayman waters.
- Go shopping in George Town and see why Grand Cayman is humorously referred to as "Brand Cayman" by those savvy shoppers who know the island's reputation for fabulous prices on designer merchandise.

The two adventures have had decisions to be made
The safari trio chose to come home
The kayaking quad had to choose how fast to wade
Now barkeep and PurdueBrad are out to roam.

[Qwikshot]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anxiety
I miss Blade

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lathum
I miss Bek


I'm not sure who Blade or Bek are, but I'll say I'm missing blade too!

"This discussion seems so out of the blue...so howzit that Jackal (not that kickbutt band Jackyl with a Y) managed to make it back to the boat, well, becaust I chose the moderate pace (I believe boilermaker and the bartender went slower)...I think Jackal wanted to go slower too, but I went with option 2...maybe to get back in time for margarita night...I hope they're okay...better them than me though, I'm not jungle warrior, get bitten by bugs, gnawed on by 'gators...not my bag, but I got some nice snapshots for the family when I get back home...."

[Qwikshot]

"This discussion seems so out of the blue...so howzit that Jackal (not that kickbutt band Jackyl with a Y) managed to make it back to the boat, well, becaust I chose the moderate pace (I believe boilermaker and the bartender went slower)...I think Jackal wanted to go slower too, but I went with option 2...maybe to get back in time for margarita night...I hope they're okay...better them than me though, I'm not jungle warrior, get bitten by bugs, gnawed on by 'gators...not my bag, but I got some nice snapshots for the family when I get back home...."


OOC: Upon rereading my PM...Jackal wanted to go faster than me (option 3)...guess he wanted margaritas more than me... :D

[claphamsa]

mornign all!

[Raiders Army]

"(not that kickbutt band Jackyl with a Y)"

The Lumberjack!

[Lathum]

So are we told someones alegiance when they are removed?

I hope so because I swore I would never play in another game where roles aren't revealed upon death.

[Raiders Army]

Turn 0: The Marine Park
Turn 1: The Beach
Turn 2: Flightseeing

No actions on any of them and I didn't see any other players.

[Lathum]

My vote will probably go to someone who was on the boat yesterday. I have class most of the day today, can anyone refreash that list for me?

[Raiders Army]

So are we told someones alegiance when they are removed?

I hope so because I swore I would never play in another game where roles aren't revealed upon death.

Maybe there is no underground yet? Maybe we're all just simple passengers...

Maybe the game is that there are no wolves. That would be crazy.

[Raiders Army]

This is just another shot in the dark:

VOTE SWAGGS

I can't remember much help he's been; however, this is a vote without much behind it. Regardless, I probably will not change my vote because I have a pretty busy day.

[Lathum]

I guess I did not learn my lesson, as I was hung over and missed the opportunity to get off of the boat today.

VOTE SWAGGS

when I said I was hung over I was just saying it in characture, there was never a choice to stay on because I was hung over, I just choose to stay.

This compunded with the fact Swaggs stayed on the boat yesterday and someone had to cut the ropes is enough to get my vote.

[mccollins]

So are we told someones alegiance when they are removed?

I hope so because I swore I would never play in another game where roles aren't revealed upon death.

Yes, Taz pointed out the rule that their role has to be revealed when they are totally out of the game.

Post #3 says that Sonic Youth has been removed by the police

Alan's message said we had to stay here to deal with legal issues.

Based on these facts, I don't think anyone is completely out of the game yet.

[mccollins]

VOTE SWAGGS

when I said I was hung over I was just saying it in characture, there was never a choice to stay on because I was hung over, I just choose to stay.

This compunded with the fact Swaggs stayed on the boat yesterday and someone had to cut the ropes is enough to get my vote.

Can someone help me out? I didn't see this story about boat ropes being cut in Alan's messages.

Was this just in Lathum's PM since he was on the boat as well and had to "fix the ropes" as he said?

[hoopsguy]

mccollins, I think you have it right - Lathum is the one who is talking about foiling a plot to cut the boat ropes. I didn't see anything of the sort in Alan's message.

You can choose to believe Lathum, challenge him on his story, or flat out think he is lying. But there isn't anything from Alan that I saw supporting the idea of boat ropes.

[KWhit]

Can someone help me out? I didn't see this story about boat ropes being cut in Alan's messages.

Was this just in Lathum's PM since he was on the boat as well and had to "fix the ropes" as he said?

So far, Lathum's the only one to mention anything about ropes being cut.

[mccollins]

Hmm, there doesn't seem to be much else for me to say that hasn't already been said. I tried to go snorkeling at the shipwreck (popular place), and was told I couldn't go (sounds like what Lathum got). As I didn't put down another option, I simply returned to the boat.

I think we need to form a consensus on who to vote for to ensure a lynch. I think we have to assume at least majority. I don't want to miss another day betting on Barkeep's 40%.

Sonic Youth is off the boat. The next two vote getters were jeheinz and st.cronin. I'm still not ready to vote for jeheinz, so I am going to go with st.cronin, in the hope that enough of us will vote to ensure a lynch.

I don't really have a reason to vote for st.cronin or to not vote for him, but the fact others might is enough to sway me to throw my vote there. Since, again, I will not be around for the first deadline, I won't be able to react and change to voting trends, I am afraid.

VOTE ST.CRONIN

You were on the boat during the day so I would think that you would mention the story about the ropes being cut - if it happened.

Either Lathum is making up an elaborate story (and he seemed very freaked last night that he was about to be night killed) or you or Swaggs could have been the one on the boat who cut the ropes.

Also, talking about gathering consensus to ensure a lynch sounds wolfish to me in the context of this game, but I could be hearing things.

Sidenote: ntndeacon is the only one who hasn't told where they went on their day 3 excursion, but he wasn't able to be on much at all.

[KWhit]

Day 0: Mayan ruins, saw no one
Day 1: snorkeling, say claphamsa and The Jackal
Day 2: Conch Shell House, saw KWhit

no responses needed for any of those (KWhit, did you have any from the Conch Shell House?)

No, I didn't get any choices from the Conch House. I saw you there as well.

[st.cronin]

OK< I trust Cronin a bit more now

I really think that's misguided - not the trust, but the reasoning behind it.

[mccollins]

I really think that's misguided - not the trust, but the reasoning behind it.

I agreed with Lathum at the time, but as someone else mentioned, I remembered the details necessary to answer quickly as well.

[hoopsguy]

I'm likely going to be out until after the 3PM deadline, so I'll be putting a vote in now. I'll trust Lathum on his story for the time being and follow his vote on a guy who was on the boat.

VOTE SWAGGS

[st.cronin]

I agreed with Lathum at the time, but as someone else mentioned, I remembered the details necessary to answer quickly as well.

That's not why I think its misguided. Its that I think the wolves are basically playing this game the same way the villagers are, with the difference that they have extra knowledge. I could be wrong about this.

[mccollins]

I'm going to go ahead and get a vote in today rather than wait around like yesterday. If Lathum is making all this up, that's a pretty huge trap he's setting for himself. Thus, like hoops, I'll choose to believe for now.

Swaggs was on the boat (and why did you go Fiesta Boat Partying twice?), but Chief Rum needs to explain some things too.

VOTE SWAGGS

[Passacaglia]

So hoops, in all the hoopla of figuring out the pattern, and finishing your task, we forgot to look at why it happened. Can you shed some light on that?

[claphamsa]

wow, lots of hate on swaggs

vote cronin.

[hoopsguy]

So hoops, in all the hoopla of figuring out the pattern, and finishing your task, we forgot to look at why it happened. Can you shed some light on that?

I don't have light to shed on it yet. I met my requirement - not sure if there would have been punishment for not doing so, or if there is an upcoming reward for doing so. I guess it could have been solely for Alan's amusement, but as of right now I don't have any info that I haven't already shared.

[Raiders Army]

Man, I vote and everyone follows suit. I'm like the Grim Reaper. I voted for Sonic Youth both days and bam. He's gone. I vote for Swaggs and he gets more votes...

[st.cronin]

What are hoops and pass talking about?

[nfg22]

I like Lathum's story. Swaggs you may have messed up.

Vote Swaggs

Do we have the option to leave today or no?

[jeheinz72]

It's always nice to come in to work in the morning and see everyone voting for the person you wanted to vote for. Makes a guy feel kinda smart

Vote Swaggs

[jeheinz72]

FTR

0) Safari, driver killed, crazy guy escapes to jungle. Choose to drive jeep back
1) Ruins, nothing happened, saw no one in particular
2) Shipwreck snorkeling, nothing happened, saw no one in particular

[Passacaglia]

I don't have light to shed on it yet. I met my requirement - not sure if there would have been punishment for not doing so, or if there is an upcoming reward for doing so. I guess it could have been solely for Alan's amusement, but as of right now I don't have any info that I haven't already shared.

So nothing happened, he just told you to do it?

[st.cronin]

I'm all for lynching Swaggs instead of me, in fact he was one of the people I considered voting for yesterday. But I think we need to hear from Swaggs first.

[Passacaglia]

I'm all for lynching Swaggs instead of me, in fact he was one of the people I considered voting for yesterday. But I think we need to hear from Swaggs first.

I agree. I'm still not sure I understand what the argument is against Swaggs, anyway? Can someone lay it out again for me?

[st.cronin]

I agree. I'm still not sure I understand what the argument is against Swaggs, anyway? Can someone lay it out again for me?

Lathum claims somebody cut the ropes tying the boat to the dock. He thinks it must have been somebody ON the boat, and, apparently, Swaggs was on the boat. Seems pretty tenuous to me.

[nfg22]

The argument is this.

Basically
1.Lathum said he was hungover and didnt leave the boat.
2. Lathum later says while on the boat someone cut the ropes and he fixed them.
3.Swags says he stayed back because he was hungover and couldnt leave the boat.
3. Lathum says he had the option to leave but didnt. Thus swags saying he didnt have the option to leave was a lie.
4. Swags lied thus he probably cut the ropes.

[nfg22]

Now answer my question. Can we leave the boat today?

[jeheinz72]

I agree. I'm still not sure I understand what the argument is against Swaggs, anyway? Can someone lay it out again for me?

For me, it's a couple things.

First, when he went after me yesterday it seemed forced. Like he *really* wanted me out. Don't know if that has anything to do with SY's allegiences (who is the only other person I came in today thinking of voting for) but it was a little too overly agressive from someone with nothing to gain.

Secondly, I think Lathum said that he basically made up that he was too hungover and had to stay on the ship, but then Swaggs used that same line. So one of the two is lying or it's a rather large coincidence.

Thirdly, Lathum's story about the ropes being cut, and thinking someone had to be on the boat to do that (which makes sense to me), that adds suspicion on those that stayed on the boat yesterday, which Swaggs did.

I think that's the case, or at least how I read it (hope it was proper!)

[nfg22]

yes.

[jeheinz72]

Now answer my question. Can we leave the boat today?

I think we can, he gave us excursion options, didn't he?

[Passacaglia]

Now answer my question. Can we leave the boat today?

Why wouldn't we be able to?

[nfg22]

Because of the legal troubles. Werent we originally supposed to make our next stop today?

[Passacaglia]

For me, it's a couple things.

First, when he went after me yesterday it seemed forced. Like he *really* wanted me out. Don't know if that has anything to do with SY's allegiences (who is the only other person I came in today thinking of voting for) but it was a little too overly agressive from someone with nothing to gain.

Secondly, I think Lathum said that he basically made up that he was too hungover and had to stay on the ship, but then Swaggs used that same line. So one of the two is lying or it's a rather large coincidence.

Thirdly, Lathum's story about the ropes being cut, and thinking someone had to be on the boat to do that (which makes sense to me), that adds suspicion on those that stayed on the boat yesterday, which Swaggs did.

I think that's the case, or at least how I read it (hope it was proper!)

But why would Swaggs want *you* out in particular?

[jeheinz72]

You also should all review the local pamphlet as tommorrow you will have another day in GeorgeTown to adventure:

Grand Cayman is one of a group of three magnificent tropical islands Christopher Columbus called "Las Tortugas" (the turtles) for the sea creatures he found in the ocean water. The designation did not endure, however, for on later maps the islands were labeled the Caimanau, the Carib Indian word for "crocodile." The name "Caimanas" refers inaccurately to the iguanas native to the islands, which were perhaps at one point mistaken for crocodiles. Among other attractions, visitors to the island will enjoy learning about the turtles, visiting the town of Hell, exploring Seven-Mile Beach and enjoying the undersea world.

- Snorkle with stingrays at Stingray City Sandbar
- Stop at the Conch Shell House, constructed entirely of the trumpet shells of the mollusk
- Visit the Tutle Farm, an interactive sea-turtle nursery where green and hawksbill turtles are bred and raised.
- Paddle along Grand Cayman's world-renowned Seven-Mile Beach on a kayaking adventure
- Experience a bird's-eye perspective of Grand Cayman on an exciting flightseeing tour.
- Explore a historic shipwreck while snorkeling the beautiful Cayman waters.
- Go shopping in George Town and see why Grand Cayman is humorously referred to as "Brand Cayman" by those savvy shoppers who know the island's reputation for fabulous prices on designer merchandise.

Turn 4 has begun, this is a voting turn in which you must vote someone off of the ship. Obviously anyone who currently is not on the ship or whom has been removed from the game can not be chosen for a vote. You also will want to PM me choices for your adventure tommorrow

Deadline is 3:00pm EST Thursday



Looks to me like we can...

[Passacaglia]

Turn 4 has begun, this is a voting turn in which you must vote someone off of the ship. Obviously anyone who currently is not on the ship or whom has been removed from the game can not be chosen for a vote. You also will want to PM me choices for your adventure tommorrow

Post 963. We can leave the boat.

[jeheinz72]

But why would Swaggs want *you* out in particular?

Well, the theorist in me is because I still believe SY to be bad, and it was basically me vs SY yesterday. So getting me lynched instead of him would be preferable.

To be a devil's advocate to that though, his pressing was slightly more overt than a wolf would want to come out as to help another wolf. Slightly.

[st.cronin]

I am planning to leave the boat.

[st.cronin]

Not knowing if SY was bad or not is unfortunate ... hopefully we find out soon.

[Passacaglia]

Well, the theorist in me is because I still believe SY to be bad, and it was basically me vs SY yesterday. So getting me lynched instead of him would be preferable.

To be a devil's advocate to that though, his pressing was slightly more overt than a wolf would want to come out as to help another wolf. Slightly.

I can see that. Since SY was taken away by police, it means he could have been up to no good, and was a baddie. Although, from a gaming aspect, it's not very much fun it one of the bad guys is caught by the police instead of us! But then again, since his role wasn't revealed, I guess he's not really out of the game after all -- so he could still be not part of the underground, but was just caught snooping where he shouldn't have been, or something lame like that.

Anyway, I'm inclined to agree with your analysis -- I just don't think another vote on Swaggs does now at this moment, but if his explanation isn't satisfactory, my vote will definitely go there.

[nfg22]

Not knowing if SY was bad or not is unfortunate ... hopefully we find out soon.

He might still be bad but on the second voting day right before he was supposed to be voted off he passed me the other half to my necklace, as it was only half of a necklace. This gives him some credibitlity.

[Passacaglia]

Well, the theorist in me is because I still believe SY to be bad, and it was basically me vs SY yesterday. So getting me lynched instead of him would be preferable.

To be a devil's advocate to that though, his pressing was slightly more overt than a wolf would want to come out as to help another wolf. Slightly.

Thinking about this some more. If SY is bad, I think we can use this to really clear some people (none of which are me :p ). When I voted for you, that made it 5-4 with a little over an hour to go, but a real run on SY developed, and it was something like 7-3 at deadline.

[jeheinz72]

Thinking about this some more. If SY is bad, I think we can use this to really clear some people (none of which are me :p ). When I voted for you, that made it 5-4 with a little over an hour to go, but a real run on SY developed, and it was something like 7-3 at deadline.

Yeah, realistically, just knowing the allegience of some people could really help. The wrench in that is the (assumed) conversion of people as we go.

[path12]

My whereabouts:

0 -- went to Playa Mia Beach, saw nobody, no options, fell asleep.
1 -- stayed on the boat, couldn't pick an excursion
2 -- went snorkeling by the shipwreck, crowded but saw nobody and had no options.

[KWhit]

The argument is this.

Basically
1.Lathum said he was hungover and didnt leave the boat.
2. Lathum later says while on the boat someone cut the ropes and he fixed them.
3.Swaggs says he stayed back because he was hungover and couldnt leave the boat.
4. Lathum says he had the option to leave but didnt. Thus swags saying he didnt have the option to leave was a lie.
5. Swags lied thus he probably cut the ropes.

At first, I wasn't buying the theory that Swaggs was bad , just because Lathum was saying some ropes were cut. But that was because I wasn't remembering the items #3 and #4 above. So two have 2 suspicious things on your head is a heck of a lot more to go on than I see for anyone else. That makes the vote at this time pretty easy. Anything can change in the next 3 hours though.

VOTE SWAGGS

[path12]

It seems a pretty easy vote.

VOTE SWAGGS

[path12]

Yeah, realistically, just knowing the allegience of some people could really help. The wrench in that is the (assumed) conversion of people as we go.

Conversion is usually a factor, but one that I think is overrated and makes it too easy make a case for or against anyone. When I hear a lot of talk from someone about that I usually assume they're a wolf trying to confuse things.

Not that you've talked about it at all until now. Just a general comment.

[jeheinz72]

Conversion is usually a factor, but one that I think is overrated and makes it too easy make a case for or against anyone. When I hear a lot of talk from someone about that I usually assume they're a wolf trying to confuse things.

Not that you've talked about it at all until now. Just a general comment.

I think in a more typical game, you're right.

I think in this game is lends a bit more creedence under the supposition that we all (or mostly all) started out as vanilla villagers.

[st.cronin]

Conversion is usually a factor, but one that I think is overrated and makes it too easy make a case for or against anyone. When I hear a lot of talk from someone about that I usually assume they're a wolf trying to confuse things.

Not that you've talked about it at all until now. Just a general comment.

I do think its important to keep in mind that in this game all wolves are converted wolves.

[st.cronin]

outta my head heiny

[Qwikshot]

"So someone gets arrested, and we're stuck here another day? Work might not like that, but I digress....waiter, uhm, garcon,...no that's French...mar-uh, margarita....so this chaos, yes...much like Shiva, you know, god of creation /and/ destruction...which is quite nice...y'know because if you create something, then you don't like it, you can get rid of it...because if you are just the god of creation, then man, where are you going to stick all the rejects...(drink) well...so someone is claiming to have cut the ropes, or tried to....not a very good idea, no...I'm guessing one outing the other...it makes for a rather interesting claim...so I'll follow Mr. Lathum's thinking for this one..."

Vote Swaggs

[oliegirl]

WOW - you guys were busy last night!!!! I think I'm caught up, but would appreciate a vote count if anyone has one.

I rec'd NFG's item and it does match mine, so I do have a completed item, and this puts NFG into a COT for me...I really don't think that Alan would give a piece of this item to a wolf...

I will be submitting my destination for the day shortly, and will vote shortly also - I'm leaving about 12:30 or so and will be gone until after 3 pm. However at this point I am not planning on going to the hospital tonight so I will be around this evening before deadline and will be able to get any information to Alan if I have any kind of decision to make...I'm also going to give him my AIM ID so he can get me that way if he needs to :)

I'm very glad that SY is gone, he was really defensive and I never really saw where he needed to be. I understand it's hard to be the one that people suspect, and most peoples initial reaction is to get really defensive, but in ww that just makes things worse most of the time. I don't know, he just was really pinging my radar so we'll see what happens.

Not sure who to vote for, if someone wants to recap the last 24 hours and make a case for why I should vote one way or the other, please do...

[jeheinz72]

outta my head heiny

But it's so warm...yet crowded...hrm.

[jeheinz72]

First, when he went after me yesterday it seemed forced. Like he *really* wanted me out. Don't know if that has anything to do with SY's allegiences (who is the only other person I came in today thinking of voting for) but it was a little too overly agressive from someone with nothing to gain.

Secondly, I think Lathum said that he basically made up that he was too hungover and had to stay on the ship, but then Swaggs used that same line. So one of the two is lying or it's a rather large coincidence.

Thirdly, Lathum's story about the ropes being cut, and thinking someone had to be on the boat to do that (which makes sense to me), that adds suspicion on those that stayed on the boat yesterday, which Swaggs did.

I think that's the case, or at least how I read it (hope it was proper!)

Olie, here is the current case against Swaggs.

As far as a count, I don't have one, but I'd estimate it's like 9+ for Swaggs and 2-3 for Cronin

[path12]

I do think its important to keep in mind that in this game all wolves are converted wolves.

Fair point. I was talking generally rather than this particular game, which really makes the original comment totally worthless now that I think about it......

[nfg22]

I hope we get enough votes this time. Not getting a lynch really upsets me.

[claphamsa]

I hope we get enough votes this time. Not getting a lynch really upsets me.


tre, but it also makes the vote analaysis less valuable, since people will swithc, just to ensure somethign happens. I dont buy the case agasint swaggs. but.... I got nothing else

unvote cronin
vote swaggs

wish swaggs was aroudn to defned himself

[st.cronin]

I don't buy that a certain number of votes is needed to lynch somebody. First day, we had a tie - second day, it looks like we successfully lynched Sonic Youth.

[hoopsguy]

What are hoops and pass talking about?

My collection of posts from last night. I had some rules on how to post as a way to help the elementary school teacher from the visit to see the turtles.

[Passacaglia]

My collection of posts from last night. I had some rules on how to post as a way to help the elementary school teacher from the visit to see the turtles.

Hmm...sounds like maybe you do have some light to shed on this after all! The story unravels.

[oliegirl]

VOTE SWAGGS

Not overwhelming evidence, but it seems to be all we have right now on anyone.

I'm pretty much out now guys, I will try to check in on my phone but can't make any promises. Alan has my Aim ID in case of emergency.

[st.cronin]

Hoops, I assume that was your good deed. What would the bad deed have been?

[mccollins]

Hmm...sounds like maybe you do have some light to shed on this after all! The story unravels.

hoops had mentioned something about needing to do a good deed for someone there. I wonder if there is anything to hoops and Taz's spech requrements or if it has just been for fun.

[mccollins]

I don't buy that a certain number of votes is needed to lynch somebody. First day, we had a tie - second day, it looks like we successfully lynched Sonic Youth.

Taz pointed out that the rules are pretty clear that when we successfully lynch someone we find out their role in the game. On that basis, it sounds like no one has been lynched yet.

[st.cronin]

Taz pointed out that the rules are pretty clear that when we successfully lynch someone we find out their role in the game. On that basis, it sounds like no one has been lynched yet.

The rules also say that a lynch is not a lynch, but is voting for somebody to be taken off the boat - which means it makes some sense that the sequence would be as it was for SY. Vote, dock, person is removed from the boat. Otherwise, how do you explain him being taken off by the police then? It doesn't seem connected to anything anybody has done.

[mccollins]

The rules also say that a lynch is not a lynch, but is voting for somebody to be taken off the boat - which means it makes some sense that the sequence would be as it was for SY. Vote, dock, person is removed from the boat. Otherwise, how do you explain him being taken off by the police then? It doesn't seem connected to anything anybody has done.

I agree, but we didn't find out his role. In addition, at the end of the voting turn 2, the captain said we would not remove anyone from the boat. Then at the end of our day 3 excursions, the police came and removed SY.

[Swaggs]

VOTE SWAGGS

when I said I was hung over I was just saying it in characture, there was never a choice to stay on because I was hung over, I just choose to stay.

This compunded with the fact Swaggs stayed on the boat yesterday and someone had to cut the ropes is enough to get my vote.

Just catching up, but see this.

To be clear, I chose the option of getting heavily intoxicated and then overslept. My message said that I had a "horrible hangover."

[Abe Sargent]

Just got caught up. Seems like an easy vote.

Vote Swaggs

[Abe Sargent]

VOTE SWAGGS

Not overwhelming evidence, but it seems to be all we have right now on anyone.

I'm pretty much out now guys, I will try to check in on my phone but can't make any promises. Alan has my Aim ID in case of emergency.


oliegirl, nfg said he passed you an item that was half of something. When you get back, can you confirm you received it? If it does not fit what you have, can you pass it to me? Thanks!

[Swaggs]

The argument is this.

Basically
1.Lathum said he was hungover and didnt leave the boat.
2. Lathum later says while on the boat someone cut the ropes and he fixed them.
3.Swags says he stayed back because he was hungover and couldnt leave the boat.
3. Lathum says he had the option to leave but didnt. Thus swags saying he didnt have the option to leave was a lie.
4. Swags lied thus he probably cut the ropes.

I did not have the option of leaving the boat. I put in my order to "Explore a historic shipwreck while snorkeling the beautiful Cayman waters," but rather than getting results from that, my messaged advised that I overslept and had a horrible hangover.

I don't think Lathum is necessarily wrong or bad for suggesting that I could have cut the ropes, but he is making a poor connection. I obviously could have lied and said I went and did something, but I have been pretty forthcoming this game, in my opinion.

[Swaggs]

But why would Swaggs want *you* out in particular?

As clearly and repeatedly stated, I voted for him because I thought he changed his vote too often and made a strange vote after the deadline. Since we were essentially doing a blind vote, I chose him because standing out in that much of a manner goes against everything I try to do when I am a villager in an early game.

Since we had no firm evidence, I chose the person I thought exhibited the strangest behavior. Also, I stated I had no firm proof and explained myself.

[Swaggs]

Well, the theorist in me is because I still believe SY to be bad, and it was basically me vs SY yesterday. So getting me lynched instead of him would be preferable.

To be a devil's advocate to that though, his pressing was slightly more overt than a wolf would want to come out as to help another wolf. Slightly.

I did not urge anyone to vote for you.

I voted for you and explained why. I think you played poorly on day 1, changing your vote multiple times and then sticking out like a sore thumb with a vote after the deadline. Since I didn't have any evidence against anyone else, I voted for you.

Again, I did not lead a rally against you. I explained why I voted for you and then answered questions about it afterwards.

[Swaggs]

Alright... looks like I am going to be the runaway.

I do have an item to pass to someone, as I don't want it out of the game.

Anyone have suggestions for like 3-4 trustworthy people that I can pass drugs to?

I purchased them on day 1, but chose not to use them.

[claphamsa]

depends what kinda drugs they are ;)

[st.cronin]

Ok, now I think that Swaggs probably is lying:

VOTE SWAGGS

[Swaggs]

depends what kinda drugs they are ;)

They are labeled as "drugs." I paid $100 for them on night 1, but quickly surmised that they were worth a lot more and that they can completely knock someone out (I assume for a period of time and not permanently).

I was given the choices of taking them myself, saving them, handing them to someone, or slipping them into someone else's drink.

[Swaggs]

Ok, now I think that Swaggs probably is lying:

VOTE SWAGGS


How so?

[Passacaglia]

You can give the drugs to me.

VOTE SWAGGS

[st.cronin]

Because I was given the choice to buy and use the drugs, but not to buy and not use the drugs.

[Swaggs]

You can give the drugs to me.

VOTE SWAGGS

Message sent.

I am now concerned that they may turn someone into a werewolf.

I had fully intended to give them to st. cronin, as I suspected his absence on day 2 was due to him taking them. His quick vote for me and suggesting that I am a liar after outlining the drugs' uses really concerns me.

[KWhit]

I am now concerned that they may turn someone into a werewolf.

Why do you say that?

[Swaggs]

Because I was given the choice to buy and use the drugs, but not to buy and not use the drugs.

Well, I can't help you then.

I was given the choice to buy them for $100, party hard for $50, or party moderately for $10. I bought them for $100 and received another PM a little while later telling me that they could knock someone out and giving me the four options listed above.

[Passacaglia]

I don't know if I'll use them, but I'll leave it open for discussion whether or not people think I should.

[st.cronin]

Swaggs, I suggested you were a liar before you "outlined the drugs use", which I think all you have done is speculated - I suggested you were a liar based on HAVING the drugs.

I believe you have the drugs, but I don't believe you acquired them the same way I could have.

[Swaggs]

Why do you say that?

Because I expected that st. cronin would be able to verify my account of things and that he may have used them (explaining his full-day absence). With him completely opposing my explanation, I have a suspicion that he may have taken them and gotten transformed (or recruited or whatever happens).

[st.cronin]

Actually now that I look at my pm again, Swaggs story is plausible.

UNVOTE SWAGGS

[Swaggs]

Pass, I have sent the PM.

Alan has advised that they could not be passed immediately, which blows for me, but you will receive them at the deadline whether I live or die.

[st.cronin]

Swaggs, I did not buy or use the drugs, and I have no idea what they might be for.

[Swaggs]

Swaggs, I suggested you were a liar before you "outlined the drugs use", which I think all you have done is speculated - I suggested you were a liar based on HAVING the drugs.

I believe you have the drugs, but I don't believe you acquired them the same way I could have.

Why?

You knew I was at the party with you and I more or less admitted to having them on Day 1 when I told KWhit that I was being purposely vague.

[path12]

So I have a question back to Lathum then. Did you see anyone specifically cutting the ropes? How did you fix them -- did you get a PM with options? Why you?

And then, who besides Swaggs and Lathum was on the boat?

[Swaggs]

Swaggs, I did not buy or use the drugs, and I have no idea what they might be for.

Well, now you do.

They can either knock you out or be used to knock someone else out.

I bought them with the idea that they might lead to some hallucinations that could be seer-like, but decided against using them that day because I didn't want to miss out on an excursion.

I'm still not sure how to effectively use them on someone else in this game, but hopefully Pass will figure that out.

[st.cronin]

Why?

You knew I was at the party with you and I more or less admitted to having them on Day 1 when I told KWhit that I was being purposely vague.

I apologize, I had misremembered my pm. I thought it said something like "buy the drugs and get stoned out of your mind" but it didn't. Your story, at least that part of it, is plausible.

[st.cronin]

Swaggs, why would you pass them to Pass? Does he strike you as trustworthy for some reason?

[mccollins]

You were on the boat during the day so I would think that you would mention the story about the ropes being cut - if it happened.

Either Lathum is making up an elaborate story (and he seemed very freaked last night that he was about to be night killed) or you or Swaggs could have been the one on the boat who cut the ropes.

Also, talking about gathering consensus to ensure a lynch sounds wolfish to me in the context of this game, but I could be hearing things.

Sidenote: ntndeacon is the only one who hasn't told where they went on their day 3 excursion, but he wasn't able to be on much at all.

@Path: Chief Rum and Lathum were on the boat because the shipwreck was full. Swaggs was on the boat with a hangover. I still don't have a record of where ntndeacon went.

[Passacaglia]

Swaggs, why would you pass them to Pass? Does he strike you as trustworthy for some reason?

Yeah, I was kind of surprised at how easy that was. It was said mostly tongue-in-cheek.

[Swaggs]

Before I check out, here were my actions (which were all, except for the drug purchase, made available whent hey happened):

Day 1 -- Fiesta Boat Party, saw Lathum and st. cronin, bought drugs for $100
Day 2 -- Fiesta Boat Party, spent $50 getting heavily intoxicated
Day 3 -- Chose to "Explore a historic shipwreck while snorkeling the beautiful Cayman waters," overslept, stayed on the boat for the day

If I survive today:
Day 4 -- Chose to "Explore a historic shipwreck while snorkeling the beautiful Cayman waters," passed drugs to Passacaglia

[Passacaglia]

That said, I don't actually have the drugs yet, so we'll see if that happens.

[st.cronin]

Swaggs, can you explain your reasoning for day 2? Why did you get heavily intoxicated?

[Swaggs]

I was intending to give them to st. cronin because I figured, based on his earlier statements and that he missed a day (during which, I tried to justify the absence because I thought he had the same drugs that I did), but after he immediately voted for me it made me suspicious of him.

I wanted to get rid of the drugs by the time I leave for work (around 2:00 PM EST) so that they did not go unused in the game if I get lynched. Pass asked for them immediately (which I doubt a wolf would avoid doing to keep from standing out) and I gave them to him because I was hoping that they would get to him immediately and he could at least verify my explanation.

[Swaggs]

Swaggs, can you explain your reasoning for day 2? Why did you get heavily intoxicated?

I basically chose to go on the same excursion because I thought it might tell me who else was there again (which, although I don't know whether or not it is/was valuable information, it was some sort of information). Unfortunately, I was just told that there were a lot of people (rather than the specific names of people that I got the first time).

Once there, I figured the highest dollar choice could lead to the highest reward and I was thinking that it might lead to some sort of social encounter that I might learn something from.

[Passacaglia]

Right -- I understand that I won't get them until after deadline. I don't know if that would have saved you anyway, but I guess it was your best shot. From my point of view, I don't think I'd want to do anything with them until after we find out about you, anyway.

[Lathum]

Just catching up, but see this.

To be clear, I chose the option of getting heavily intoxicated and then overslept. My message said that I had a "horrible hangover."

the problem I have with this is I also chose to drink heavily but received no such message about a hangover, I woke up the next day with seemingly no effect. Everything I said was an attempt to trap someone.

[Swaggs]

That said, I don't actually have the drugs yet, so we'll see if that happens.

As mentioned, I was hoping they would transfer immediately, but was notified that they would be given at the deadline (whether I live or die).

[path12]

@Path: Chief Rum and Lathum were on the boat because the shipwreck was full. Swaggs was on the boat with a hangover. I still don't have a record of where ntndeacon went.

Thanks. Now we need some clarification from Lathum, or I do anyway, because Swaggs' story is sounding plausible to me right now.

[Swaggs]

the problem I have with this is I also chose to drink heavily but received no such message about a hangover, I woke up the next day with seemingly no effect. Everything I said was an attempt to trap someone.

Again, I don't know what to tell you.

I chose the $50 option to get heavily intoxicated because I figured it would net the highest benefit (plus, I didn't want to die with a loaded wallet). I sent in my action, expecting to go to the shipwreck and snorkel, but instead of getting result, I was notified that I overslept, had a horrible hangover, and stayed on the boat.

So, either we got different messages or you are lying. I don't really think you are lying, so I would guess we got different messages.

[Swaggs]

Lathum, how were you notified about the ropes and why do you think YOU were notified?

[path12]

the problem I have with this is I also chose to drink heavily but received no such message about a hangover, I woke up the next day with seemingly no effect. Everything I said was an attempt to trap someone.

We've seen people have the same experiences with different results before though -- for example, both clap and I being at the beach but me falling asleep and not getting back in time but him getting back on board with no problems, even though neither of us had options.

What I'd like to hear is exactly what you saw and did with the ropes, and why it was you that fixed them rather than say Chief or ntn if they were around......

[Lathum]

So I have a question back to Lathum then. Did you see anyone specifically cutting the ropes? How did you fix them -- did you get a PM with options? Why you?

And then, who besides Swaggs and Lathum was on the boat?

no, I didn't see anyone cutting the ropes.

Upon learning the shipwreck excursion was full I remained on the boat. While exploring the boat I discovered the ropes cut. I was given the option of telling the captain or not. I informed the captain and was asked to fix them, I did.

[Swaggs]

Also, for the record (I'm not looking it up because I remember doing it and don't really care if you guys believe me or not at this point), but I volunteered that I stayed on the boat AFTER Lathum advised us that the ropes had been cut.

I think that should count for something, unless you guys think that I couldn't come up with reasonable alibi by lying to avoid scrutiny.

[Qwikshot]

Unvote Swaggs

"I feel his defense is valid...other than that I have nothing to go on. Margarita-time!"

[mccollins]

Again, I don't know what to tell you.

I chose the $50 option to get heavily intoxicated because I figured it would net the highest benefit (plus, I didn't want to die with a loaded wallet). I sent in my action, expecting to go to the shipwreck and snorkel, but instead of getting result, I was notified that I overslept, had a horrible hangover, and stayed on the boat.

So, either we got different messages or you are lying. I don't really think you are lying, so I would guess we got different messages.

Swaggs is the only person who went on the Fiesta Boat Party twice - in this game, it would seem that that could give him different options the second time. But that is just a guess.

[st.cronin]

VOTE KWHIT

I'll vote the same guy I voted yesterday, since he didn't respond at all to my vote.

[mccollins]

the problem I have with this is I also chose to drink heavily but received no such message about a hangover, I woke up the next day with seemingly no effect. Everything I said was an attempt to trap someone.

Lathum, for your day 2 excursion, I had you down as on the ship because of a hangover.

If you had no effects, why did you stay on the ship?

[Lathum]

the problem I have with this is I also chose to drink heavily but received no such message about a hangover, I woke up the next day with seemingly no effect. Everything I said was an attempt to trap someone.

Lathum, for your day 2 excursion, I had you down as on the ship because of a hangover.

If you had no effects, why did you stay on the ship?

I already answered this

[path12]

UNVOTE SWAGGS

For now.

[Lathum]

Lathum, for your day 2 excursion, I had you down as on the ship because of a hangover.

If you had no effects, why did you stay on the ship?

to elaborate I choose to stay on the ship day 2 because I wanted to see what would happen

[Lathum]

Lathum, how were you notified about the ropes and why do you think YOU were notified?

I feel there is a reason I was notified and I would rather keep it to myself for now.

[Swaggs]

Oh well, I'm guessing there are too many folks that have voted and will not return to make much of a dent in the voting, even if people were compelled to go in a different direction.

I am going to vote for Anxiety. I don't have any concrete evidence, but he has done two things during this game that have raised my WW radar:
1. He was apologetic towards Clap when it looked like Clap was going to be lynched. I always notice this, as it seems like sometimes wolves do this to draw attention and point out that they didn't vote for a villager, when they know that the person getting lynched is going to be innocent.
2. He (and actually nfg) threw out under the radar, pile-on votes for me today.

I would probably vote for nfg today, as he did quiet, pile-on vote and then threw in some idle conversation (that I see as camoflouge).

Anyway, just an old school WW gut pick:

Vote Anxiety

[Passacaglia]

Lathum, for your day 2 excursion, I had you down as on the ship because of a hangover.

If you had no effects, why did you stay on the ship?

What do you mean, you "had him down"? Did you see that yourself, or are you saying he said that in the thread?

[st.cronin]

Swaggs, I agree Anxiety's play has troubled me.

[Swaggs]

I only have about 15 minutes left, if anyone else wants to question me.

[st.cronin]

I'm still not sure what benefit you thought heavy drinking might get you.

[Lathum]

What do you mean, you "had him down"? Did you see that yourself, or are you saying he said that in the thread?

Basicly I said I stayed on the ship because I had a hangover. I was purposly implying that I had no other choice.

I did this on purpose, hoping someone else would claim the same scenerio. If they did I could safely assume they were lying, since no such thing really happened.

[Lathum]

I'm still not sure what benefit you thought heavy drinking might get you.

I choose to drink heavily because I wanted to stay in charecture.

I don't use drugs and when I party I usualy go all out.

Just wait until vegas. ;)

[Swaggs]

I'm still not sure what benefit you thought heavy drinking might get you.

I went to the Fiesta Boat party a second time because I thought I would be able to observe more people (I observed that you and Lathum were there on night 1) and, truth be told, figured there might be another option, similar to the drugs, available. I was not able to identify anyone the second time and only got the two choices of drinking moderately or heavily. I chose heavily because I figured the higher expense might yield a higher value of information/item/reward.

That's as clear as I can be.

[mccollins]

What do you mean, you "had him down"? Did you see that yourself, or are you saying he said that in the thread?

I have him "written" down as ... Gotta keep some notes so I don't have to search through the thread as much.

Obviously, it was working good enough if Lathum told me to go read the thread again!

[Passacaglia]

Basicly I said I stayed on the ship because I had a hangover. I was purposly implying that I had no other choice.

I did this on purpose, hoping someone else would claim the same scenerio. If they did I could safely assume they were lying, since no such thing really happened.

That's what I thought. Still seems damning to me.

[Swaggs]

Basicly I said I stayed on the ship because I had a hangover. I was purposly implying that I had no other choice.

I did this on purpose, hoping someone else would claim the same scenerio. If they did I could safely assume they were lying, since no such thing really happened.

You are either lying or you correctly anticipated what would happen.

[Lathum]

So Swaggs, what you are saying is you physicaly were unable to leave the boat due to a hangover?

[mccollins]

to elaborate I choose to stay on the ship day 2 because I wanted to see what would happen

Thanks for answering this time rather than your initial unhelpful response like last night.

[Lathum]

Thanks for answering this time rather than your initial unhelpful response like last night.

i don't voulenteer information easily.

I don't speel good either

[Swaggs]

So Swaggs, what you are saying is you physicaly were unable to leave the boat due to a hangover?

I will try to be as clear as possible:

I got heavily intoxicated. Had a good time drinking, dancing, and socializing with women. I was told that I was fortunate that the cruiseship was nearby, otherwise I would have had a tough time finding my way home.

Next day:

Prior to the deadline, I sent in a message to go snorkeling at the shipwreck.

When I got my PM, instead of getting information about the shipwreck, I was told that I overslept, had a horrible hangover, and just stayed around the boat.

No other information than that.

[Passacaglia]

You are either lying or you correctly anticipated what would happen.

If he's lying, at least it's a 1-for-1 trade.

[mccollins]

I only have about 15 minutes left, if anyone else wants to question me.

Swaggs, I think you've already answered this, but if you could please do so again.

Do you have anything from Alan that would corroborate Lathum's story about the ropes being cut?

[Lathum]

If he's lying, at least it's a 1-for-1 trade.

I completely disagree with this.

I may be wrong about Swaggs, my initial reason for voting him was he was on the boat the day the roaps were cut.

If you feel I am making up some elaborate story out of the blue then so be it, but I also think it at least somewhat likely we received different results from taking the same action because we both chose to drink heavily, granted on different nights, and got very different results, assuming he is telling the truth.

[Swaggs]

If he's lying, at least it's a 1-for-1 trade.

Hopefully you guys will, at least, learn something from this lynch.

[hoopsguy]

Does anyone have a vote count? I'm trying to figure out if it makes sense to move away from Swaggs, who has been very forthcoming with information as we have questioned him.

That said, I think we want to get a lynch at some point in the game in order to start assigning value to votes. And it seems like we need a majority (or more people than we've had on the top candidate so far) in order to accomplish this.

[Lathum]

I just went back and looked at my PM's. Swaggs' just don't jive with what I received.

[Swaggs]

Swaggs, I think you've already answered this, but if you could please do so again.

Do you have anything from Alan that would corroborate Lathum's story about the ropes being cut?

Nothing about the ropes being cut.

I just re-read my message, but the only other thing I notice is that I had intended to talk to the captain about jeheinz72, but didn't get around to it since I overslept.

I would guess this is because I voted for him yesterday (or just for flavor from Alan).

[Swaggs]

I just went back and looked at my PM's. Swaggs' just don't jive with what I received.

What doesn't jive?

You were not given the same choices as me at the party?

Am I mistaken or did you not say that you were bluffing about drinking?

[path12]

I completely disagree with this.

I may be wrong about Swaggs, my initial reason for voting him was he was on the boat the day the roaps were cut.

If you feel I am making up some elaborate story out of the blue then so be it, but I also think it at least somewhat likely we received different results from taking the same action because we both chose to drink heavily, granted on different nights, and got very different results, assuming he is telling the truth.

I agree with Lathum here. I find it very unlikely that he comes out after Swaggs as he did and put himself in a 1/1 situation when there is still so much uncertainty in this game.

Right now I think the likeliest scenario is that both Lathum and Swaggs are telling the truth and that somebody else cut the rope.

What I'm trying to figure out now is which one of these scenarios seems most plausible:
a) Chief was on the boat, cut the ropes and admitted he was on the boat. Seems weak.
b) Was ntn on the boat and could he have had the opportunity?
c) Is someone lying about leaving the ship but actually stayed aboard to sabotage?
d) Could the ropes have been cut by someone leaving the ship on the way to an excursion ?

[Lathum]

What doesn't jive?

You were not given the same choices as me at the party?

Am I mistaken or did you not say that you were bluffing about drinking?

the choices at the party are the same.

It's what happens after we both make the same choices where things go haywire as I already mentioned.

Maybe you are a slow recoverer but I had no problem getting up the day after I drank heavily.

[Lathum]

I agree with Lathum here. I find it very unlikely that he comes out after Swaggs as he did and put himself in a 1/1 situation when there is still so much uncertainty in this game.

Right now I think the likeliest scenario is that both Lathum and Swaggs are telling the truth and that somebody else cut the rope.

What I'm trying to figure out now is which one of these scenarios seems most plausible:
a) Chief was on the boat, cut the ropes and admitted he was on the boat. Seems weak.
b) Was ntn on the boat and could he have had the opportunity?
c) Is someone lying about leaving the ship but actually stayed aboard to sabotage?
d) Could the ropes have been cut by someone leaving the ship on the way to an excursion ?

I heavily considered C as an option.

[mccollins]

I heavily considered C as an option.

I agree that someone could be (or is) lying about leaving the ship - especially if they had to stay on the ship to cut the ropes!

There are many excursions where no one can corroborate who from the boat was at that particular excursion.

[Swaggs]

the choices at the party are the same.

It's what happens after we both make the same choices where things go haywire as I already mentioned.

Maybe you are a slow recoverer but I had no problem getting up the day after I drank heavily.

I was told that I couldn't hold my liquor.

I don't really believe you, as I think it seems like a logical penalty for overdrinking would be to miss the next day's excursion.

I do think that, unless you are unecessarily lying your ass off about the ropes being cut, you probably have a useful role for the good side. I don't really think you are lying about this because I don't think there is a good reason to out yourself over me (since I have no role) and it is early enough for a wolf to play in the shadows at this point.

I guess you set a trap, but outsmarted yourself.

[st.cronin]

It seems just as likely to me that the ropes were cut by somebody NOT on the boat, unless there's something in Lathum's pm that specifically rules that out.

[Swaggs]

Good luck, guys (except you, Lathum ;) ).

I'm out for the day.

[Passacaglia]

I completely disagree with this.

I may be wrong about Swaggs, my initial reason for voting him was he was on the boat the day the roaps were cut.

If you feel I am making up some elaborate story out of the blue then so be it, but I also think it at least somewhat likely we received different results from taking the same action because we both chose to drink heavily, granted on different nights, and got very different results, assuming he is telling the truth.

Lathum, if this is as big of a 'gotcha' as you make it seem to be (it sounds like you're saying you totally bluffed on what happened to you, and he followed you in that lie), how could you be wrong about him?

[jeheinz72]

Yeah the wrench is the unverifyable excursions.

Who do we have as having gone to an unverifyable location (like I know no one "saw" me do my excursion).

[The Jackal]

catching up from like 7 pm yesterday until now, not sure if qwik has responded yet but if he hasnt ill tell you what happened

[hoopsguy]

OK, likely out for the deadline at this point. I'm going to leave my vote where it is for now, based largely on Lathum's strong arguments that his actions clearly do not line up with the choices presented to Swaggs.

Note - this isn't some kind of "if this is wrong then we go after Lathum next" argument. I don't think it is entirely fair to make this a 1:1 trade scenario.

[Passacaglia]

About path's option C -- has anyone claimed to have left the ship, with no one to back their story? The four in the kayak can vouch for each other, KWhit and I can also..

[jeheinz72]

About path's option C -- has anyone claimed to have left the ship, with no one to back their story? The four in the kayak can vouch for each other, KWhit and I can also..

I know my excursion (shipwreck snorkeling) can't be verified. So anyone who did that (including myself)

[jeheinz72]

catching up from like 7 pm yesterday until now, not sure if qwik has responded yet but if he hasnt ill tell you what happened

Please do.

[Lathum]

Lathum, if this is as big of a 'gotcha' as you make it seem to be (it sounds like you're saying you totally bluffed on what happened to you, and he followed you in that lie), how could you be wrong about him?

Because it is possible oversleeping is a penalty possible for drinking to much and like Swaggs said I out smarted myself.

Like I said, my initial argument for Swaggs was he was on the boat when the ropes were cut. The fact that his story about why he was on the boat came out later

[mccollins]

catching up from like 7 pm yesterday until now, not sure if qwik has responded yet but if he hasnt ill tell you what happened

We do NOT have that story - just that you 4 were given options on how fast you wanted to paddle. Those that paddled faster got back to the boat and the two that presumably paddled slower missed the boat (we assume).

Please enlighten us!

[Passacaglia]

OK, likely out for the deadline at this point. I'm going to leave my vote where it is for now, based largely on Lathum's strong arguments that his actions clearly do not line up with the choices presented to Swaggs.

Note - this isn't some kind of "if this is wrong then we go after Lathum next" argument. I don't think it is entirely fair to make this a 1:1 trade scenario.

I just don't get it. We haven't learned a single role so far this game, and we haven't had anyone removed from the game. If we get hard data here, we've got to look at it. That said, I'm sure a ton of other shit will go down by the time that happens.

[st.cronin]

Just want to say again that I don't buy "verifiable excursions" as a way of finding the wolves.

[Lathum]

Lathum, if this is as big of a 'gotcha' as you make it seem to be (it sounds like you're saying you totally bluffed on what happened to you, and he followed you in that lie), how could you be wrong about him?

I gotta be honest with you, this seems like a set up to me. IT is almost as if you know Swaggs and I are both good and after he goes today you are setting it up for me to pay for my play today.

There is only one reason you would make this play

[Lathum]

Just want to say again that I don't buy "verifiable excursions" as a way of finding the wolves.

of course not, but it narrows down who could be lying about their true where abouts.

[The Jackal]

Okay, what Qwik said is right, in his OOC comment anyways. I wasn't sure I believed that BK and PB were going to go slow, and I figured maybe whoever went faster would get to an item, or something like that, but instead it just meant that Qwik and I were able to get back to the ship just before the gates closed. No idea what happened to BK and PB, they were out of sight after a short while and we didn't see them again before we got back.

[The Jackal]

I guess I'll put together a vote count since I'm not busy at the moment, that'll help me decide who to vote for, as well.

[jeheinz72]

how fast did you go Jackal?

[st.cronin]

of course not, but it narrows down who could be lying about their true where abouts.

I don't even buy that premise, to be honest.

[Passacaglia]

I gotta be honest with you, this seems like a set up to me. IT is almost as if you know Swaggs and I are both good and after he goes today you are setting it up for me to pay for my play today.

There is only one reason you would make this play

The flip side to this is that you get cleared if you're right.

Anyway, I've been caught doing that kind of thing before, and I've learned my lesson about not doing that as a wolf. In that case, I was among the late voters in a close race. This is a different story, because you came out finger-pointing earlier, and that just pings my radar if he's good.

It's all likely to be moot anyway -- what are the odds we'll actually find something out about him? :p

[Passacaglia]

I don't even buy that premise, to be honest.

Not at all? I mean, it seems like we've already caught one person in a lie.

[Qwikshot]

Okay, what Qwik said is right, in his OOC comment anyways. I wasn't sure I believed that BK and PB were going to go slow, and I figured maybe whoever went faster would get to an item, or something like that, but instead it just meant that Qwik and I were able to get back to the ship just before the gates closed. No idea what happened to BK and PB, they were out of sight after a short while and we didn't see them again before we got back.

"I'm Qwikshot and I approve this message! Margarita-time!"

[mccollins]

Oliegirl mentioned this earlier, but what is a COT / Circle of Trust exactly?

[Lathum]

The flip side to this is that you get cleared if you're right.



maybe in a more traditional game, but any trust I could possibly gain if I am correct should only last a short time

[Qwikshot]

Oliegirl mentioned this earlier, but what is a COT / Circle of Trust exactly?

"It means people you trust as good absolutely without question..."

[The Jackal]

how fast did you go Jackal?

Super fast. There were three options, fast and strenuous, moderate, and slow and leisurely. I chose the first.

[Lathum]

Oliegirl mentioned this earlier, but what is a COT / Circle of Trust exactly?

basicly a group of people that for whatever reason you feel aren'y wolves

[The Jackal]

Swaggs (11) - Raiders Army (1032), Lathum (1033), hoopsguy (1042), mccollins (1044), nfg22 (1050), jeheinz72 (1051), KWhit (1075), claphamsa (1087), oliegirl (1091), Anxiety (1098), Passacaglia (1108)
path12 (1) - ntndeacon (1020)
st.cronin (1) - Chief Rum (1022)
KWhit (1) - st.cronin
Anxiety (1) - Swaggs

not voting (4) - The Jackal, TazFTW, Qwikshot, path12

[Qwikshot]

"It means people you trust as good absolutely without question..."

"However it doesn't mean much unless you believe the person stating it is good, I've not found the COT to be worthwhile...all you need is one bad apple to spoil the bunch..."

[The Jackal]

whoops let me find those post #s

[Qwikshot]

Super fast. There were three options, fast and strenuous, moderate, and slow and leisurely. I chose the first.


"And I chose moderate, and initially this cause issue with myself and Jackal (not to be confused with the band Jackyl with a Y)...but we worked it out and still ventured further and faster than the other two..."

[The Jackal]

I don't really know whether or not to trust Swaggs' story, but the fact that there are still quite a few who aren't willing to move off him is enough to convince me that maybe we need to make sure this vote actually works to see if he's lying. Though I'm not sure him turning up good would clear anyone.

Vote Swaggs

[st.cronin]

Oliegirl mentioned this earlier, but what is a COT / Circle of Trust exactly?

Basically just a list of people you think are not wolves, for whatever reason.

[The Jackal]

Swaggs (12) - Raiders Army (1032), Lathum (1033), hoopsguy (1042), mccollins (1044), nfg22 (1050), jeheinz72 (1051), KWhit (1075), claphamsa (1087), oliegirl (1091), Anxiety (1098), Passacaglia (1108), The Jackal (1207)
path12 (1) - ntndeacon (1020)
st.cronin (1) - Chief Rum (1022)
KWhit (1) - st.cronin (1142)
Anxiety (1) - Swaggs (1148)

not voting (3) - TazFTW, Qwikshot, path12

[The Jackal]

should be said that both qwik and path voted then unvoted

[Qwikshot]

OOC: I'm heading out in a few minutes, I'm not voting because this is a wash anyway...I'm not optimsitic that anything radical is going to change between 2:45 and 4:30 something when I get home...if this was close I'd be voting.

[The Jackal]

OOC: I'm heading out in a few minutes, I'm not voting because this is a wash anyway...I'm not optimsitic that anything radical is going to change between 2:45 and 4:30 something when I get home...if this was close I'd be voting.

Don't blame ya.

[st.cronin]

basicly a group of people that for whatever reason you feel aren'y wolves

Basically just a list of people you think are not wolves, for whatever reason.

creepy

[Qwikshot]

OOC: I just hope there is a revelation with this vote...I'm not confident though, we've got no info from SY...be back after 4 pm EST

[Passacaglia]

should be said that both qwik and path voted then unvoted

cronin did that, too

[The Jackal]

cronin did that, too

yeah but he re-voted for KWhit shortly afterwards

[Passacaglia]

yeah but he re-voted for KWhit shortly afterwards

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood -- I thought you meant 'unvoted then revoted'

[The Jackal]

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood -- I thought you meant 'unvoted then revoted'

it's kind of sad that this is what we're talking about 15 min before the deadline ;)

[Passacaglia]

it's kind of sad that this is what we're talking about 15 min before the deadline ;)

I'm sure I've talked about stuff way more pointless than that! :)

[Lathum]

off to class, looking forward to the results today.

[st.cronin]

OOC: I'm heading out in a few minutes, I'm not voting because this is a wash anyway...I'm not optimsitic that anything radical is going to change between 2:45 and 4:30 something when I get home...if this was close I'd be voting.

Weren't you arguing just the other day that this behavior (not voting) is likely wolfish?

[jeheinz72]

Are we at this point yet?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/jeheinz72/10618.jpg

[The Jackal]

Would you like some french fries with your porn?

[jeheinz72]

Would you like some french fries with your porn?

How about a tuna sammich?

[The Jackal]

How about a tuna sammich?

I have to watch my mercury intake.

[path12]

I know my excursion (shipwreck snorkeling) can't be verified. So anyone who did that (including myself)

Me too. I don't think I can be verified on any of my excursions yet.

[path12]

Just want to say again that I don't buy "verifiable excursions" as a way of finding the wolves.

Do you have a theory about what might be a way?

[TazFTW]

I don't buy the reasoning for Swaggs
But it looks like the majority does not support
I instead will Vote ntndeacon to pack his bags
I hope we are able to leave this port

[st.cronin]

Do you have a theory about what might be a way?

Not specifically. But generally I think people's choices will allow them to discover things (like Lathum's discovery of the ropes), which when combined with other clues will point to wolves. In other words, I think generally Lathum was on the right track, I just am not completely sold that Swaggs is the right guy.

[path12]

Well, I will put a vote in just to have the data point out there.

VOTE SWAGGS

Just on the off-chance that we need a certain number of votes.

[path12]

Not specifically. But generally I think people's choices will allow them to discover things (like Lathum's discovery of the ropes), which when combined with other clues will point to wolves. In other words, I think generally Lathum was on the right track, I just am not completely sold that Swaggs is the right guy.

If people are actually putting out all the info they have, which I kind of doubt so far. I think this is one of those games where it isn't going to do anyone much good to keep a lot of secrets.

[The Jackal]

If people are actually putting out all the info they have, which I kind of doubt so far. I think this is one of those games where it isn't going to do anyone much good to keep a lot of secrets.

All we don't really know (aside from any wolves that might be hiding info) is what kind of items people are getting/what they do.

[Alan T]

Deadline.. THis is the vote count i have, if anyone has a correction to it, say so now!

(1) Path - Ntndeacon (1020)
(1) St.Cronin - Chief Rum (1022)
(13) swaggs - Raiders Army (1032), lathum (1033), hoopsguy (1042), mccollins (1044), nfg22 (1050), jeheinz72 (1051), kwhit (1075), claphamsa (1087), oliegirl (1091), anxiety (1098), passacaglia (1108), The Jackal (1207), path12 (1230)
(1) kwhit - St.cronin (1142)
(1) anxiety - Swaggs (1148)
(1) ntndeacon - Tazftw (1228)

[path12]

All we don't really know (aside from any wolves that might be hiding info) is what kind of items people are getting/what they do.

I think one of the hardest things is the spotty info on who has seen who on excursions. I believe that is our best way to account for whereabouts but it doesn't happen very often it seems...

[The Jackal]

I think one of the hardest things is the spotty info on who has seen who on excursions. I believe that is our best way to account for whereabouts but it doesn't happen very often it seems...

Yeah I can vouch for people the last two days, but that first day at the ruins is a mystery.

[KWhit]

Hello? Is there anybody out there?

Just nod if you can hear me.

[The Jackal]

Hello? Is there anybody out there?

Just nod if you can hear me.

That's.. peculiar. Trapped somewhere?

[claphamsa]

ha

[Passacaglia]

Oh man it would be awesome if you could ghost-ban someone as part of the game.

[KWhit]

That's.. peculiar. Trapped somewhere?

Nah. It's just deadline time and verrrry quiet.

[The Jackal]

Nah. It's just deadline time and verrrry quiet.

I think we're all just waiting for the wrapup and the PMs, not much to say with a huge run on one person.

[mccollins]

I think we're all just waiting for the wrapup and the PMs, not much to say with a huge run on one person.

Yup, I'm very curious as to what will happen next and how much we'll find out this time.

[Alan T]

A new day has started, and although you were here in GeorgeTown one extra day, most of you decide to take advantage of it and see more of the sights! Just before deboarding, the captain once again has an announcement to make..

I have received alot of troubling information about some Swaggs fellow.. Needless to say, enough people felt that he was suspicious enough to have him removed from this ship. We had our crew search his room however, and could not find any evidence of wrongdoing. The customer however is always right, and he will be finding his own way home!

The deadline for event responses is 10pm EST tonight. I will be sending out PMs now.

[st.cronin]

Ok, that's a data point in favor of me being wrong.

[mccollins]

OUCH - I'm going to need some help folks!

[mccollins]

Ok, that's a data point in favor of me being wrong.

Still no word about the ropes being cut story.

[jeheinz72]

You ok on that foot mccollins?

[jeheinz72]

OUCH - I'm going to need some help folks!

I went over to check you out, it's non-fatal. ;)

[mccollins]

Since we've been getting information out there, I'm going to go ahead and post this.

I went snorkeling with stingrays and saw: Chief Rum, Hoopsguy, path12, jeheinz.

Bad news: I got stung by a stingray and I'm going to need some treatment.
Does anyone have an item like this?

[hoopsguy]

I got the same info as JEH on your injury - did everyone see the same group of people? I have several names from that activity this afternoon.

I don't have any 10PM options this time around.