Werewolf LXX Pleasure Cruise - (GAME OVER)

[path12]

If I was to call myself something else, it would have been Kylie Minogue's hotpants.

I can respect that. Much better than either Vegamite or Colin Hay's hotpants. Perhaps not as good as Aussie Football Referee. Perhaps. I do love the touchdown signal.

[claphamsa]

Austiran? I'll add that to my list of Countries that start with 'A' ;)


fich dish!

[Swaggs]

Regarding Taz being IDed as an actor, a few thoughts (that I would rather he not confirm or deny).

I suspect he is a very unique character within this game, as my impression of the introduction was that our roles will be developed based upon our actions (I'm going for the drunken playboy role :) ). This makes me consider that some folks may have occupations/talents and that actual team roles will be identified down the road based upon our actions. Just a theory...

Also, specifically regarding Taz: As an actor, I think we will have to consider that he may be able to impersonate other passengers. I won't develop that thought a whole lot at this point, but will just throw the idea out there.

[path12]

My thought is that there will be randomly located/offered items that may either "trigger" roles or give a one time action. We know of a necklace and drugs, so far. I'm not sure if folks should reveal whether and when they get items or not, but it is worth a discussion, I imagine.

This idea would also fit with both Clapham and I being at the beach but only myself falling asleep and getting locked off the boat overnight. I made no contact after getting my message that I had no actions Day 0, so maybe that was why that triggered also.

[claphamsa]

I can respect that. Much better than either Vegamite or Colin Hay's hotpants. Perhaps not as good as Aussie Football Referee. Perhaps. I do love the touchdown signal.

I have a great vegimate story...

[claphamsa]

This idea would also fit with both Clapham and I being at the beach but only myself falling asleep and getting locked off the boat overnight. I made no contact after getting my message that I had no actions Day 0, so maybe that was why that triggered also.

well imj just happy ur back, everyone thought I killed you! Not my fault you cant hold ur margaitas!

[Lathum]

My question is for Lathum and/or st. cronin: Were you guys able to identify that I and/or each other were there (when I was able to "see" you two)? I'm wondering whether or not this information is "randomly" available, as well, to give us the opportunity to identify who was where and/or clear each other.

i was told you and cronin were there. Does that answer your question?

[path12]

Again, I'm guessing at this, but based on the options given and Lathum saying he was hungover, if st. cronin attempted to consume a larger amount of alcohol or even drugs, he may have gotten a worse penalty than simply being hungover and missing out on an excursion.

Lathum, did you have a choice to drink different amounts?

[Lathum]

Lathum, did you have a choice to drink different amounts?

yes.

I drank the max amount, hence the hangover and me staying on the boat today

[hoopsguy]

You've been pretty quiet lately...what's up?

Day 0 - was my own little personal experiment to see if I could go a full day without posting and avoid being called a wolf. Which I thought could happen, given that there were no starting wolves per the game structure :)

Day 1 - just a really busy day of work, although I still managed to put myself in the limelight with a late vote after originally not planning on voting.

As data points, or stuff I mistake for meaningful data, emerge I'm sure I'll get more vocal. But the mid-day deadlines are going to be challenging for me ...

[Alan T]

Deadline, sending out PMs.

[path12]

yes.

I drank the max amount, hence the hangover and me staying on the boat today

Hmm. I think cronin might take the max of something he was offered, just to see what happened. I'll be interested to hear from him.

[Swaggs]

i was told you and cronin were there. Does that answer your question?

Yes -- Was just trying to see if we were all aware of one another or if I was the only one who noticed that there were other passengers there.

[Abe Sargent]

I have some information to announce from today, and will be waiting until the turn changes to give it to you (ensuring that I am alive before I reveal this).

[PurdueBrad]

I have some information to announce from today, and will be waiting until the turn changes to give it to you (ensuring that I am alive before I reveal this).

Tease! :p

[Abe Sargent]

Tease! :p

:) Well, I just got it from my response to today's actions, so it wouldn't be fair for me to reveal it, and then have me turn up dead.

[Lathum]

I have some information to announce from today, and will be waiting until the turn changes to give it to you (ensuring that I am alive before I reveal this).

this makes no sense?

if you have info why potentialy take it to the grave?

[PurdueBrad]

:) Well, I just got it from my response to today's actions, so it wouldn't be fair for me to reveal it, and then have me turn up dead.

Ahhh, I get your thinking, night kill. Completely forgot about those between the Cylon game which had very few and now this one which hasn't had any yet.

[Abe Sargent]

this makes no sense?

if you have info why potentialy take it to the grave?

Because if I get killed, then I don't have a right to share it. If I got one of AlanT's first pms, and then later he sends me another saying, oops, you died, then I had to right to share that info.

[Lathum]

Because if I get killed, then I don't have a right to share it. If I got one of AlanT's first pms, and then later he sends me another saying, oops, you died, then I had to right to share that info.

huh? :confused:

[PurdueBrad]

He's just saying that the day hasn't officially flipped yet and he could still be night killed and he's not sure that he would/should be able to share what he learned if the wolves get him.

[Abe Sargent]

huh? :confused:

I got my pm at 10:04. Just a few minutes after AlanT began processing the night actions. If I die in the night action, then I have no right to share the info I received, because I died in the same action I got the info.

[claphamsa]

bah, once you get a PM the info is fair game!

can I have a bourbon margarita?

[Sonic Youth]

I have a great vegimate story...I bet it has something to do with spreading and eating too.

Path, if it's Aussie Rules, then Grrr. Those guys run on averge 27kms each game! A min marathon on top of all those jumping, kicking, punching...er, tackling, and other related activities.

[Lathum]

ok, I get it now. I thought there was some game mechanic in place that you had to wait or something.

I do think that brings up an interesting ethical question regarding the 24 hour deadline.

[Alan T]

The captain welcomes all back to the ship and informs you all that you should look to performing the same duty as the previous day and inform him of any suspcious types that may be aboard this ship. You should do so by voting in this thread. Also, your stay in Cozumel has ended, and it is time to journey to your next location of George Town, Grand Caymans. If anyone has enough of a compelling arguement for the captain to kick someone off of the boat, he will do so once you reach your location.

In addition, you should start thinking about what activities that you would like to undertake once you reach the next location. You have the following choices on a pamphlet given to you:

Grand Cayman is one of a group of three magnificent tropical islands Christopher Columbus called "Las Tortugas" (the turtles) for the sea creatures he found in the ocean water. The designation did not endure, however, for on later maps the islands were labeled the Caimanau, the Carib Indian word for "crocodile." The name "Caimanas" refers inaccurately to the iguanas native to the islands, which were perhaps at one point mistaken for crocodiles. Among other attractions, visitors to the island will enjoy learning about the turtles, visiting the town of Hell, exploring Seven-Mile Beach and enjoying the undersea world.

- Snorkle with stingrays at Stingray City Sandbar
- Stop at the Conch Shell House, constructed entirely of the trumpet shells of the mollusk
- Visit the Tutle Farm, an interactive sea-turtle nursery where green and hawksbill turtles are bred and raised.
- Paddle along Grand Cayman's world-renowned Seven-Mile Beach on a kayaking adventure
- Experience a bird's-eye perspective of Grand Cayman on an exciting flightseeing tour.
- Explore a historic shipwreck while snorkeling the beautiful Cayman waters.
- Go shopping in George Town and see why Grand Cayman is humorously referred to as "Brand Cayman" by those savvy shoppers who know the island's reputation for fabulous prices on designer merchandise.

Event turn 1 has ended, and you are now in Voting phase of Turn 2. The deadline for this phase is 3pm EST tommorrow. Today you have a vote to make in thread as well as a PM to send to me for your next excursion.

Also, I have had a few pms asking about revealing information provided in PMs. If you are going to die or be incapacitated, you will be told so in your PM. If you receive information, then you are not dead and can reveal it when you feel appropriate. However some PM information could likely seem odd if revealed before the actual turn is ended, depending on what else occurs.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, here is what I know.

As i mentioned, I went shopping today. I was given three options, I chose th esecond, visit the fortune teller. She told me that I was worried about claphamsa, but to to be, because he was okay.

[claphamsa]

i wanna go diving for gold with Jessica Alba, we can levau that mGonahewy fellow behind!

[X]- this post it wholly within humor!

[Lathum]

do you mean NOT TO BE?

[Lathum]

Okay, here is what I know.

As i mentioned, I went shopping today. I was given three options, I chose th esecond, visit the fortune teller. She told me that I was worried about claphamsa, but to to be, because he was okay.

do you mean NOT TO BE?

clap screwed up my post

[claphamsa]

Okay, here is what I know.

As i mentioned, I went shopping today. I was given three options, I chose th esecond, visit the fortune teller. She told me that I was worried about claphamsa, but to to be, because he was okay.

she told you to worry about me becasue I was ok?..... either you suck as a typer or are bad!

or both!

i vote for bad typr!

[path12]

Path, if it's Aussie Rules, then Grrr. Those guys run on averge 27kms each game! A min marathon on top of all those jumping, kicking, punching...er, tackling, and other related activities.

SY, no disrespect intended, I love watching Aussie Rules even though I rarely understand what's going on. I really do love that signal the refs make for a score, it makes me laugh for some reason.

[Abe Sargent]

do you mean NOT TO BE?

Correct, don't worry, because he's fine.

[claphamsa]

clap screwed up my post

notmy fault i espcaed cinci and you didnt! :D

[Abe Sargent]

Personally, I was more worried about hoops, a non-voter, or jeheinz's late vote than I was by claphamsa, so I wish I had the ability to choose who my fortune teller told me about.

[Lathum]

notmy fault i espcaed cinci and you didnt! :D

i've only been here 2 years and will be gone in 3 months

[Sonic Youth]

SY, no disrespect intended, I love watching Aussie Rules even though I rarely understand what's going on. I really do love that signal the refs make for a score, it makes me laugh for some reason.Sorry, I should have been clearer. I'm not a fan. I agree, that signal is good.

[hoopsguy]

OK, so I'm now being called for tying a vote and for not voting - by the same guy?

Maybe my memory is shot, but I could have sworn Anxiety was the first guy to call me out for tying the vote when I thought Alan had posted an 8-6 result.

Anxiety, the fortune teller was one of the options that I had with shopping on Day 1. That is the role I was referring to sounding very much like a traditional WW role.

[oliegirl]

OK guys, I'm here :) I was able to send my PM to Alan via my phone, but it wasn't working well for reading the thread so I gave up until I got home (just a few minutes ago) and have caught up...

Yesterday when I went shopping I found the fortune teller, I tried to go back to get information on a fellow passenger, but was unsuccessful. Instead I wandered the open air markets area of the city and did see Taz acting in a Shakespearean acting troupe...very interesting, but b/c of the language differences I couldn't understand much of what was being said.

Today I went back to the markets, yes - I love to shop - and although I didn't find anything worth buying I was given an item, though I've been told it's "incomplete" and can't be used. I have a few options on what I'd like to do with it, but for now I'm going to hold on to it and see if I can't find the other parts that make it whole.

I'll be sending Alan my PM shortly and then will be off for the night. I've been at the hospital most of the day, my dad was readmitted because of an infection, he'll be fine but my stress level is through the roof right now. I'm working tomorrow from 8 - 3, so I'll be around during those times and will check in and post as I can, but will be leaving to go back to the hospital around 4:30 or 5:00, I'll have all my PM's and whatnot in by then though so I don't miss anything. Thanks for being so patient and not throwing me off the ship :D

[Abe Sargent]

OK, so I'm now being called for tying a vote and for not voting - by the same guy?

Maybe my memory is shot, but I could have sworn Anxiety was the first guy to call me out for tying the vote when I thought Alan had posted an 8-6 result.

Anxiety, the fortune teller was one of the options that I had with shopping on Day 1. That is the role I was referring to sounding very much like a traditional WW role.

No, I was giving a list, you, jeheniz, the non-voters - all on the list. I was not sayin gyou wera non-voter.

[ntndeacon]

hoops I had read Heinz' message at 2:02 central asan understanding that there was a tie. but besides that Anxiety was the first to say it with response to Alan's erroneous count.

[Raiders Army]

I'll be sending Alan my PM shortly and then will be off for the night. I've been at the hospital most of the day, my dad was readmitted because of an infection, he'll be fine but my stress level is through the roof right now. I'm working tomorrow from 8 - 3, so I'll be around during those times and will check in and post as I can, but will be leaving to go back to the hospital around 4:30 or 5:00, I'll have all my PM's and whatnot in by then though so I don't miss anything. Thanks for being so patient and not throwing me off the ship :D

I hope everything will be all right.

Also, my choices have been sent to Alan. I'll re-examine the happenings tomorrow.

[Chief Rum]

i've only been here 2 years and will be gone in 3 months

Hmm, most judges send convicts to prisons!

[Lathum]

Hmm, most judges send convicts to prisons!

cincinnati may as well be prison

[nfg22]

Im just going on a limb here..Anxiety has just seemed a little off...maybe im wrong but I wont be around till morning and then not for long so ill throw out a vote and maybe change it.

I also acheived an incomplete item. I wonder if me and Olie could complete eachother...

VOTE ANXIETY

[Chief Rum]

cincinnati may as well be prison

Well, yeah, that's the joke... :cool:

[The Jackal]

CINCIWHATSKI!

[The Jackal]

if no one understands my joke by tomorrow morning ill explain it

[Passacaglia]

Am I misunderstanding something here? I would guess most cruises--non-werewolf ones, that is--don't lose any people!

Otherwise, cruises would probably be a lot less popular.

Sorry, that was a Seinfeld quote. That's what George says when he finds out that the Andria Doria had "only" 50 deaths.

[The Jackal]

oh and SY, i'm tempted to vote you for being a liverpool fan

[The Jackal]

Sorry, that was a Seinfeld quote. That's what George says when he finds out that the Andria Doria had "only" 50 deaths.

hilarious episode.. who has suffered more than costanza?

[The Jackal]

on a serious, related note - i don't have any real suspects at this point.. clap is definitely off my list, has everyone been accounted for yet in their last actions?

[Passacaglia]

Just to be clear on this, I don't ever state that to "take advantage" of people's opinions on this. I don't lie about real life stuff in these games. And I have always said I think people should vote for me even if I am not around, if they think they have a legitimate reason.

I (and I think anyone) would be rightfully miffed if they were voted out for a "just because" reason and they weren't around. No protection, though, if there is good reason to vote for you, no matter what day it is or where you are.

Right -- I'm not trying to accuse you of anything, rather to speak about a general attitude in the game. But that's a discussion we've clogged some other game with, so it was probably a mistake on my part to bring it up again -- I'm just blabbering on! :)

[Sonic Youth]

oh and SY, i'm tempted to vote you for being a liverpool fan
Why you little...oh, wait. I see what you did there.

Great game this morning. It's hell being a Liverpool supporter at times, as the team never makes anything easy for themselves. Or the supporters. Hospitals must have an increase of coronies after their matches.

[Chief Rum]

Right -- I'm not trying to accuse you of anything, rather to speak about a general attitude in the game. But that's a discussion we've clogged some other game with, so it was probably a mistake on my part to bring it up again -- I'm just blabbering on! :)

Oh I know. I was just stating this for the benefit of the newer players and those not familiar with my work schedule.

[Chief Rum]

I'd say this:

Obviously hoops is on the suspicion list for the late minute switch.

I'd also consider the following since they didn't even vote:

nfg22
st. cronin
TazFTW
KWhit

I don't know that we know enough yet to make any strong voting selections. I certainly don't. So I pulled up this post by RA as a good guideline for whom I should vote for tonight, since I will be out again past the voting deadline (at work).

KWhit's still all right in my book, since he was with me on safari. I suspect st.cronin is on drugs somewhere.

That leaves nfg22 and TazFTW. My inclination is to vote nfg22, because I dislike work excuses for not voting (considering I manage just fine), and because I like Taz's posts (the rhyming is fun and people have seen him in his role).

That said, there is nothing to say Taz isn't an Iago in plain sight. Speaking in rhyme and acting in public has no bearing (to my knowledge) on his guilt or innocence as a potential member of the underground. And his Raiders Army unvote at the end could have been switched to someone and gotten us a lynch today. So I am going with the Hawaiin dude.

VOTE TAZFTW

[path12]

I've gotta say, Chief, that I don't like that vote. I can think of roles where Taz might be quite helpful, and he's likely to be checked out in the very near future.

As I said earlier I don't think he's cleared, but I certainly don't believe he'd be one of my main targets right now.

[Chief Rum]

I've gotta say, Chief, that I don't like that vote. I can think of roles where Taz might be quite helpful, and he's likely to be checked out in the very near future.

As I said earlier I don't think he's cleared, but I certainly don't believe he'd be one of my main targets right now.

Given a choice to wait longer and consider my options, I would probably vote elsewhere. But I don't have that luxury, since I will be out until deadline once I log off tonight.

I can think of roles either way that Taz's acting would suggest, so I can't really draw conclusions from that alone. I have to fall back on his voting record, which is not strong.

[path12]

I think heinz had the oddest vote. There's a race going on with clapham and Sonic Youth, and he tosses out a single vote on Anxiety, then changes it to another single vote on cronin with just 20 minutes left, and then finally tries to change it to Sonic after the deadline.

I don't get that. Not at all. Abe wasn't getting lynched, nor was cronin, so why make that change? And then try and pile on at the end?

VOTE JEHEINZ72

[TazFTW]

KWhit's still all right in my book, since he was with me on safari.

Ok, I went back through and tallied up where everyone went and who had not stated where they went. I'll post my thoughts in a follow-up post.

1) The Jackal - MAYAN RUINS
2) Nfg22 - SNORKELING (1 of 2, found necklace, wearing it)
3) Path12 - BEACH, no options, didn't make it back on boat
4) jeheinz72 - JEEP SAFARI (1 of 3)
5) Barkeep49 - CANOE (1 of 2)
7) Lathum - "drank alot" on FIESTA BOAT PARTY
8) claphasma - "got drunk on the BEACH"
9) Passacaglia - MAYAN RUINS
10) St.Cronin - "I've been known to experiment (with drugs)" on FIESTA BOAT PARTY
11) Hoopsguy - SHOPPING
12) PurdueBrad - CANOE (1 of 2)
13) Raiders Army - MARINE PARK (not alone)
14) oliegirl - SHOPPING
15) Sonic Youth - asked if we could vote for Path (or the shark)
16) ntndeacon - MARINE PARK
17) mccollins - MAYAN RUINS
18) Chief Rum - JEEP SAFARI (1 of 3)
19) Qwikshot - JEEP SAFARI (1 of 3)
20) TazFTW - SHOPPING
21) Anxiety - SNORKELING ("only one other there")
6) Swaggs - "This applies to me, as well" in re: to having choices as mentioned by Cronin. FIESTA BOAT PARTY
22) Kwhit - MAYAN RUINS


OPTIONS:
- Explore the RUINS of the ancient MAYAN city of Tul'um
- Chankanaab National MARINE PARK
- Sit back and relax in the white sand of Playa Mia BEACH
- Take a JEEP SAFARI adventure through the tropical landscape of Cozumel's east side.
- Join the FIESTA PARTY BOAT for a fun-filled trip to Playa del Sol with margaritas, rum punch and a live band
- Take a two-person CANOE to a private peach paradise, Passion island
- SNORKEL in the clear sapphire-colored water around Cozumel's coral reefs.
-Go SHOPPING in Cozumel

KWhit went to the ruins the first day
Unless you mean the second turn
In which case why would you risk replay
of some nut with bullets to burn

[Chief Rum]

I think heinz had the oddest vote. There's a race going on with clapham and Sonic Youth, and he tosses out a single vote on Anxiety, then changes it to another single vote on cronin with just 20 minutes left, and then finally tries to change it to Sonic after the deadline.

I don't get that. Not at all. Abe wasn't getting lynched, nor was cronin, so why make that change? And then try and pile on at the end?

VOTE JEHEINZ72

See, so this works both ways, as this is an odd vote to me. I and Qwikshot can both vouch for jeheinz up to the voting deadline, as we were on the safari together and made the same choice. So while the vote may be odd, I know through other means that jeheinz is pretty unlikely to be underground (or wasn't when he made that vote), and I'm not the only one with the ability to vouch for him.

So jeheinz vote to me is as weird as a Taz vote to you. :)

[Chief Rum]

KWhit went to the ruins the first day
Unless you mean the second turn
In which case why would you risk replay
of some nut with bullets to burn

Actually I hadn't discussed that, I don't think. I went back to the safari office (which was closed for an investigation), and I saw KWhit and ntndeacon there for my second event.

Not as clear as Qwikshot or jeheinz from the first event, but at least I know where they both were at the second event, and neither seemed to be doing anything odd (other than being disappointed the safari office was closed for a criminal investigation--I assume the attack on jeheinz, myself and Qwik).

[path12]

So jeheinz vote to me is as weird as a Taz vote to you. :)

Fair enough. I guess second day votes can be strange in general.

[Qwikshot]

"Y'know it was so nice to not be hungover this morn, I decided against going back to the safari...so I opted for the marine park. I don't recall seeing anyone of interest there, as it was quite busy. Some nice things there, an underground river, botanical garden, and the hilight of the day was swimming with dolphins. But that was it, now I'm back, uno momento por favour, uno margarita, si, /uno/ margarita..."

[nfg22]

I don't know that we know enough yet to make any strong voting selections. I certainly don't. So I pulled up this post by RA as a good guideline for whom I should vote for tonight, since I will be out again past the voting deadline (at work).

KWhit's still all right in my book, since he was with me on safari. I suspect st.cronin is on drugs somewhere.

That leaves nfg22 and TazFTW. My inclination is to vote nfg22, because I dislike work excuses for not voting (considering I manage just fine), and because I like Taz's posts (the rhyming is fun and people have seen him in his role).

That said, there is nothing to say Taz isn't an Iago in plain sight. Speaking in rhyme and acting in public has no bearing (to my knowledge) on his guilt or innocence as a potential member of the underground. And his Raiders Army unvote at the end could have been switched to someone and gotten us a lynch today. So I am going with the Hawaiin dude.

VOTE TAZFTW


CR im glad you manage just fine but I do not have a job where I can post from work...at all. I also leave at 6 in the morning. The three oclock deadline is hard for me. When I left for work I didnt think anyone needed to be voted for since there was no penalty. But hey vote for me if you wish. I work all nights next month so Ill be better at the next WW.

[nfg22]

that said i stick with my vote. there is little to go on right now but gut feeling.....

[Raiders Army]

I don't know that we know enough yet to make any strong voting selections. I certainly don't. So I pulled up this post by RA as a good guideline for whom I should vote for tonight, since I will be out again past the voting deadline (at work).

KWhit's still all right in my book, since he was with me on safari. I suspect st.cronin is on drugs somewhere.

That leaves nfg22 and TazFTW. My inclination is to vote nfg22, because I dislike work excuses for not voting (considering I manage just fine), and because I like Taz's posts (the rhyming is fun and people have seen him in his role).

That said, there is nothing to say Taz isn't an Iago in plain sight. Speaking in rhyme and acting in public has no bearing (to my knowledge) on his guilt or innocence as a potential member of the underground. And his Raiders Army unvote at the end could have been switched to someone and gotten us a lynch today. So I am going with the Hawaiin dude.

VOTE TAZFTW

I really doubt that Taz is a bad guy. It would truly be heinous of Alan to make him a wolf and then make him ryhme in his posts. :)

Anyhow, I'm going in a different direction.

VOTE HOOPSGUY

This is a respect vote and if you're a wolf I want you out of the game. (in case anyone doesn't know, this is a ripoff of every reality show that votes) Really though, the late switch yesterday screwed us. For better or for worse, I'm sticking with this vote unless something comes up in the next three hours or so.

I'll be gone this afternoon with a dental appointment followed by a doctor's appointment.

[KWhit]

I looked at Pottery, passing on the option that was the most likely "role" to see what would be associated with the unkwown. I didn't find anything to purchase and didn't receive any information as a result of my choice.

If you assumed that the furtune teller was a seer-type role, why didn't you use it to gain information. Sounds like a no-brainer to me.

:confused:

[Barkeep49]

I agree that the whole thing with Taz is off, but more likely off in a good/neutral way than a bad way.

[PurdueBrad]

After re-reading Barkeep's theory on lynching, I'll jump on the vote of one of the two so far to work towards getting the needed percent. This vote is not a strong one, but I've been burned by him before, he's a dangerous wolf, and I am thrown by the no fortune-teller decision so...

vote Hoopsguy

[KWhit]

Yesterday I went to the Jeep safari but it was closed. Bummer.

I saw ntndeacon and Chief Rum there, but nothing suspicious.

[PurdueBrad]

I agree that the whole thing with Taz is off, but more likely off in a good/neutral way than a bad way.

That is the other thing at this point, I can't go Taz, Anxiety at least took up the fortune teller, so of those three, it leaves Hoops.

[Qwikshot]

"Y'know is it me, or do ya think something bad is going round, maybe it's just that shooting thing...but maybe, it's bad juju come on the ship, Margartia? SURE...but nothing has happened yet...still anything suspicious, is suspicious...and Mr. Happy Trails? Er Path, was out on the beach all day...doesn't seem to be sporting a nasty sunburn...I've got suspicions...I mean those guys on the drinking party, they all made it back right? right?"

OOC: Did Cronin return, I would assume so because we're at a new port.

Vote Path

[st.cronin]

I apologize for my inactivity yesterday, it had nothing to do with drug usage and everything to do with a busy schedule and a power outage. Getting up to speed now...

[Lathum]

Is it possible since Path was gone all night something nefarious may have happebed to him?

[st.cronin]

Is it possible since Path was gone all night something nefarious may have happebed to him?

I'm leaning towards probably not.

[hoopsguy]

If you assumed that the furtune teller was a seer-type role, why didn't you use it to gain information. Sounds like a no-brainer to me.

:confused:

A couple of reasons, some of which aren't all that compelling in the context of one game day but make sense on a larger scale (to me, at least):
1.) It felt like there was real potential for Fool's Gold there to me - everyone wants to be the seer, right? I was somewhat concerned that there might be sinister reprecussions in visiting here.
2.) In a game where I get to pick my role, I didn't really want to pick Seer.
3.) I wanted to know what one of the other choices would bring. I could draw conclusions, for better or worse, about the Fortune Teller visit but I had no idea what the Pottery shopping would do.

Basically, on Day 0 I wanted to learn more about the framework of the game. It may not have been the right decision, but that was my thought process.

[jeheinz72]

Personally, I was more worried about hoops, a non-voter, or jeheinz's late vote than I was by claphamsa, so I wish I had the ability to choose who my fortune teller told me about.

Really? Though my vote would have "saved" claphamsa, a now known good guy? I'd think this information is better in that it should give you a nudge in the good direction on both myself and clap.

[jeheinz72]

hoops I had read Heinz' message at 2:02 central asan understanding that there was a tie. but besides that Anxiety was the first to say it with response to Alan's erroneous count.

Yes, I knew it was tied and aimed to break that tie.

[st.cronin]

claphamsa, a now known good guy?

Hrm, "vouched for by Anxiety" /= "known good guy"

[Lathum]

Really? Though my vote would have "saved" claphamsa, a now known good guy? I'd think this information is better in that it should give you a nudge in the good direction on both myself and clap.

how is clap a known good guy? Just because a fortune teller said he was OK?

We have no idea what could happen in the following phase, I think blindly trusting Clap at this point is dangerous

[hoopsguy]

I'm a little disappointed to have multiple votes at this point. Since there are two points people are using to justify votes I'll try to rebut each of them.

1.) Didn't choose option for "Fortune Teller" when presented the opportunity.
If there are questions about the fortune teller, which occurred on Night 0, then are the people positioning it assuming that I was a Wolf at this point? Obviously we all started as villagers, so are people assuming that I was somehow moved to the Wolf Team before getting to submit my action order? That the selection of "Shopping" somehow made me get converted? This seems like a really, really weak argument from where I sit.

You don't have to like my reasoning for not going Fortune Teller, but it seems like quite a leap to assume that I'm a wolf because of it.

2.) Cast vote creating a tie on Day 1.
As far as the vote goes, I spelled out my reasons for not liking a vote on Clap when I voted for Sonic Youth. Were they good reasons? Hmm, probably as good as any on Day 1. But now that Clap has been shown as a villager by Anxiety I at least feel better about my instincts on which way to go on that vote. I'm much more satisfied being involved with creating a tie than casting a deciding vote on a villager.

Again, if I was a wolf while casting this vote why would I want to avoid having villager thrown off the boat? I had already suggested earlier that I was unlikely to vote. Yet I did end up voting, in a manner that saved a "villager" from being lynched. What incentive would a wolf have to do this and generate attention as a result?

Everyone has to make choices on who to vote for each day. I understand getting votes from time to time. But I don't really understand either of the two arguments that are being used to suggest I'm the best candidate for today.

[Qwikshot]

I'm leaning towards probably not.

OOC:
Please explain, I do recall a game a loooong time ago where several players would not return to camp and it just seemed obvious that staying out beyond deadlines was risky behavior. It was a goldmining game long time ago...this doesn't take away from picking off vets because of how dangerous they are, but new guys are also the same way...I'm sticking to what's obvious, your character and the other two consumed items and still managed to make it back, how does a guy on a secluded beach not make it back?

Moreso, was he not able to communicate because he was not back? It /seems/ innoculous, but it seems suspcious as well...and it still doesn't clear claphamsa.

In fact, I'm not anywhere near a circle of trust, I just know Heinz and Rum were with me on day 1 when the shooting happened. No one has died yet, so it makes it really hard to determine who or what is bad, I mean, we've not even had any hints of something bad going on (save the shooting which may have been something completely random and not attached to the plot)...

We don't even know if the underground guys can communicate with each other, or are trying to find each other...

[Lathum]

ok, so was day 1 a tie or not?

there seems to be some confusion on my part about that

[jeheinz72]

I think heinz had the oddest vote. There's a race going on with clapham and Sonic Youth, and he tosses out a single vote on Anxiety, then changes it to another single vote on cronin with just 20 minutes left, and then finally tries to change it to Sonic after the deadline.

I don't get that. Not at all. Abe wasn't getting lynched, nor was cronin, so why make that change? And then try and pile on at the end?

VOTE JEHEINZ72

I feel compelled to explain

I voted for Anxiety to get a vote out there. I didn't have any candidates really, and he's always crafty and screws me over in the end (in the past)

I changed to Cronin then since no one else voted Anxiety, and I wasn't a gigantic fan of the clap or SY options, so as to present a 3rd option. When I voted I thought he had 1 vote on him (post 354, unofficially shows 2 on him, then PB unvotes him in the post before mine)

I then changed from Cronin to SY albeit late because A) I abhor ties and B) I thought SY's explaination of where he was (in-game, the Ruins) seemed convenient, as it was the one spot that no one reallly "saw" anyone else at. A low-risk move.

Basically I was willing to stick my neck out a bit to avoid the tie, though I was still too late.

I'd think though, if one is inclined to believe Anxiety, that I'd be good in their eyes, given that my vote was an ineffective attempt to "save" claphamsa, who the fortune teller told him was good.

[jeheinz72]

Hrm, "vouched for by Anxiety" /= "known good guy"

True. It's not anywhere near confirmed, but I'd say there may be a nudge, in some people's eyes at least, that he is.

[PurdueBrad]

But I don't really understand either of the two arguments that are being used to suggest I'm the best candidate for today.

I'm not sure you are the best candidate for today either but of those that received votes at this point, for me you are and if we have to reach a certain percentage of voters, then basically I'm choosing from the list already put up. I'm not sure that another no lynch really helps us. If a more compelling argument comes up, I am around most of the day.

[PurdueBrad]

Damn no edit. My thought for me is that to throw out yet another new vote is just to further muddy the waters and split the vote. Although since there haven't been night kills, maybe a no lynch isn't that bad.

[jeheinz72]

ok, so was day 1 a tie or not?

there seems to be some confusion on my part about that

Alan hasn't posted it, but I'm nearly certain it was.

[jeheinz72]

Hrm, I don't really like any of the voted-for options at this point...

[Lathum]

Alan hasn't posted it, but I'm nearly certain it was.

well this is important info, it tells us if we need a majority vote or not to lynch.

If we need a majority I am leaning towards someone who already has a vote on them. Probably NFG22

[PurdueBrad]

well this is important info, it tells us if we need a majority vote or not to lynch.

If we need a majority I am leaning towards someone who already has a vote on them. Probably NFG22

I actually agree with you here. If we don't need a majority, then I'll switch off of mine as well probably.

[st.cronin]

OOC:
Please explain, I do recall a game a loooong time ago where several players would not return to camp and it just seemed obvious that staying out beyond deadlines was risky behavior.

My opinion is that path got stranded because of either something he (a villager at the time) chose, or something that some other player (also a villager) chose. Either way, its not nefarious. This is just a guess, though, and it could be that something else happened.

[hoopsguy]

Damn no edit. My thought for me is that to throw out yet another new vote is just to further muddy the waters and split the vote. Although since there haven't been night kills, maybe a no lynch isn't that bad.

PB, do you agree with my logic on why it is hard to apply either of the two "arguments" for me as compelling lynch votes?

If so, then the idea of "well, he has a vote and I like him better than the other candidates" seems really irresponsible. If I'm missing a reason on why you are voting for me (crafty wolf?) then please help me understand it.

I don't have any kind of special role so I suppose getting rid of me is fine relative to anyone else, but as long as I'm around and have time to do so (which may not be the case for most of the morning) I'll try to persuade people not to make a bad lynch decision by voting for me. It's the standard "0% chance of getting a wolf" argument, but it is entirely true.

[Raiders Army]

One sec...typing up a post with some junk. I'll switch my vote off hoops.

[Alan T]

The final vote yesterday was as others stated:

(7) Claphamsa - Chief RUm (246), The Jackal (247), Anxiety (297), qwikshot (334), barkeep (340), sonicyouth (368), ntndeacon (372)
(7) Sonic Youth - Raiders Army (322), Oliegirl (333), Passacaglia (338), mccollins (341), clapamsa (356), purduebrad (359), Hoopsguy (381)
(1) oliegirl - Swaggs (343)
(1) st.cronin - jeheinz72 (360)
(1) Nfg22 - Lathum (262)

This is just an official statement as such so there isn't any confusion.

[Raiders Army]

Sorry, got distracted with work.

This is where I have everybody for Turn 1 (2nd excursion):

Raiders Army-beach—post 413
The Jackal-snorkeling, saw clap and pass—post 414
Pass-snorkeling, backs up Jackal—post 416
jeheinz72-ruins—post 418
path-came back to boat—post 419
mccollins-swimming with dolphins—post 423
Barkeep-beach—post 426
PurdueBrad-beach—post 430
Sonic Youth-shopping, did not see Anxiety—post 434
claphamsa-confirms Jackal, but says beach—post 444
Lathum-stayed on boat—post 445
nfg22—shopped, found out that Taz had to rhyme—post 459
hoopsguy-shopped, looked at pottery—post 484
Swaggs-Fiesta Boat Party
Anxiety-Shopping (fortune teller), clap is okay—posts 415 and 527
claphamsa-diving for gold—post 528
oliegirl-shopping, incomplete item—post 539
Qwikshot-marine park—post 564
KWhit—safari, saw ntndeacon and CR—post 571

A few things here:

1. clap confirms Jackal’s story, but says they were at the beach (post 444). Jackal says they went snorkeling and weren’t at the beach (post 463). clap says that “Ive never been snorking off a boat before :) I assumed it was the beach and missed the boat part. opps.” (post 465)

2. Here are the people who haven't said where they were (unless I missed somthing):

St.Cronin
ntndeacon
Chief Rum
TazFTW

CR and ntn were seen by KWhit.

3. Sonic Youth went shopping, but didn't elaborate.

I'm sorry that SY is in Australia, and I hate to do this, but at this point he's the best option IMHO.

UNVOTE HOOPS
VOTE SONIC YOUTH

[PurdueBrad]

PB, do you agree with my logic on why it is hard to apply either of the two "arguments" for me as compelling lynch votes?

If so, then the idea of "well, he has a vote and I like him better than the other candidates" seems really irresponsible. If I'm missing a reason on why you are voting for me (crafty wolf?) then please help me understand it.

I don't have any kind of special role so I suppose getting rid of me is fine relative to anyone else, but as long as I'm around and have time to do so (which may not be the case for most of the morning) I'll try to persuade people not to make a bad lynch decision by voting for me. It's the standard "0% chance of getting a wolf" argument, but it is entirely true.

Hoops, basically I couldn't bring myself to vote for Heinz, Anxiety or Taz as their likelihood of being wolf, IMO, was simply less than you at this point. And yeah, you are a crafty wolf. However, seeing that yesterday was officially a tie and we may not need a majority vote, I am

unvoting Hoops and looking to go a different way.

[PurdueBrad]

Raiders, I believe that Chief said he went back on the safari again but it was closed.

[st.cronin]

2. Here are the people who haven't said where they were (unless I missed somthing):

St.Cronin

I said I was with Lathum, who said that was correct. Why is this a mystery?

Day 2 I didn't leave the boat, didn't get a pm in.

[st.cronin]

I don't believe we are going to find a wolf by poring over daytime actions. My feeling is that the wolves are only wolves at night - during the day, they will blend in. Its what happens at NIGHT that could give us clues.

[hoopsguy]

I'll take another tack at the same problem, Cronin. I do believe we'll find a wolf through daytime actions, but we don't understand what triggers the change to that team so it is like we are trying to read a foreign language at this point.

At some later point in the game, maybe we'll have figured out what is involved in determining your "wolf fate". But to do that, we'll need good daytime information. So I want the info, and I want to try and process it, but I agree with your notion that right now we are unlikely to find a wolf through daytime actions.

[hoopsguy]

Also, with the lack of a Night 1 kill, coupled with no disclosures of bodyguard blocks or anything along those lines, I'm at least considering the idea that no one has gone wolf quite yet.

The premise of the game, as I understand it, is that we get to determine our own fate through our decisions. I think it is very possible that no one has put together a sequence of actions at this point that pull them to the wolf team.

[st.cronin]

I can think of roles either way that Taz's acting would suggest, so I can't really draw conclusions from that alone. I have to fall back on his voting record, which is not strong.

This seems so weird to me, who has a strong voting record at this point? Isn't everybody's voting record basically the same?

[KWhit]

I don't see a whole lot yet that makes me suspicious of anyone. So I'm just going to vote for someone who hasn't been active in the game. I know she has real life stuff going on that is keeping her from posting, but I feel like I'm voting pretty blindly at this point, so I might as well vote for someone who's not being active.

Vote oliegirl.

[Passacaglia]

I guess I'm in the same boat as KWhit, in that I'm voting pretty blindly. Does anyone have a vote count? I probably have to vote in the next hour or so, and don't want to make it a throwaway.

[claphamsa]

I don't believe we are going to find a wolf by poring over daytime actions. My feeling is that the wolves are only wolves at night - during the day, they will blend in. Its what happens at NIGHT that could give us clues.

how would this work out?

[st.cronin]

Also, with the lack of a Night 1 kill, coupled with no disclosures of bodyguard blocks or anything along those lines, I'm at least considering the idea that no one has gone wolf quite yet.

The premise of the game, as I understand it, is that we get to determine our own fate through our decisions. I think it is very possible that no one has put together a sequence of actions at this point that pull them to the wolf team.

I think this is plausible.

[claphamsa]

do we need to send in PMs as to where we are going? or is this just a boat day. maybe I shoudl just reread :)

[st.cronin]

how would this work out?

I'll use myself as an example. Day 1 I was at a party, along with Lathum and Swaggs. I was given options based on this choice, which led to a certain result at night. What I am saying is that, if Lathum or Swaggs are a wolf, I may have discovered this at night (or I may have received a clue about somebody else not at the party, or something else may have happened). My point is simply that knowing what somebody did during the DAY is of zero value at this point.

[st.cronin]

do we need to send in PMs as to where we are going?

Yes.

[jeheinz72]

I like him again today.

Vote Sonic Youth

Sorry your in Austrailia amigo, but it happens.

[PurdueBrad]

I'll use myself as an example. Day 1 I was at a party, along with Lathum and Swaggs. I was given options based on this choice, which led to a certain result at night. What I am saying is that, if Lathum or Swaggs are a wolf, I may have discovered this at night (or I may have received a clue about somebody else not at the party, or something else may have happened). My point is simply that knowing what somebody did during the DAY is of zero value at this point.

Agreed, especially as I believe it would be a bit too obvious for us to backtrack if an entire group at the beach or the ruins or wherever became wolves. It has to come down to those choices. Which is why I'm currently willing to give those that have discussed their choices some the benefit of the doubt over people that have not.

[st.cronin]

The captain welcomes all back to the ship and informs you all that you should look to performing the same duty as the previous day and inform him of any suspcious types that may be aboard this ship. You should do so by voting in this thread. Also, your stay in Cozumel has ended, and it is time to journey to your next location of George Town, Grand Caymans. If anyone has enough of a compelling arguement for the captain to kick someone off of the boat, he will do so once you reach your location.

In addition, you should start thinking about what activities that you would like to undertake once you reach the next location. You have the following choices on a pamphlet given to you:

Grand Cayman is one of a group of three magnificent tropical islands Christopher Columbus called "Las Tortugas" (the turtles) for the sea creatures he found in the ocean water. The designation did not endure, however, for on later maps the islands were labeled the Caimanau, the Carib Indian word for "crocodile." The name "Caimanas" refers inaccurately to the iguanas native to the islands, which were perhaps at one point mistaken for crocodiles. Among other attractions, visitors to the island will enjoy learning about the turtles, visiting the town of Hell, exploring Seven-Mile Beach and enjoying the undersea world.

- Snorkle with stingrays at Stingray City Sandbar
- Stop at the Conch Shell House, constructed entirely of the trumpet shells of the mollusk
- Visit the Tutle Farm, an interactive sea-turtle nursery where green and hawksbill turtles are bred and raised.
- Paddle along Grand Cayman's world-renowned Seven-Mile Beach on a kayaking adventure
- Experience a bird's-eye perspective of Grand Cayman on an exciting flightseeing tour.
- Explore a historic shipwreck while snorkeling the beautiful Cayman waters.
- Go shopping in George Town and see why Grand Cayman is humorously referred to as "Brand Cayman" by those savvy shoppers who know the island's reputation for fabulous prices on designer merchandise.

Event turn 1 has ended, and you are now in Voting phase of Turn 2. The deadline for this phase is 3pm EST tommorrow. Today you have a vote to make in thread as well as a PM to send to me for your next excursion.

Also, I have had a few pms asking about revealing information provided in PMs. If you are going to die or be incapacitated, you will be told so in your PM. If you receive information, then you are not dead and can reveal it when you feel appropriate. However some PM information could likely seem odd if revealed before the actual turn is ended, depending on what else occurs.



quoted for claphamsa's benefit

[claphamsa]

I'll use myself as an example. Day 1 I was at a party, along with Lathum and Swaggs. I was given options based on this choice, which led to a certain result at night. What I am saying is that, if Lathum or Swaggs are a wolf, I may have discovered this at night (or I may have received a clue about somebody else not at the party, or something else may have happened). My point is simply that knowing what somebody did during the DAY is of zero value at this point.

hmmm, interesting!

[claphamsa]

Thanks croonin, I had just found it :)

[path12]

Moreso, was he not able to communicate because he was not back? It /seems/ innoculous, but it seems suspcious as well...and it still doesn't clear claphamsa.

Mr Qwik, I think it's absolutely a fair point to wonder about my not being able to get back on board the ship night 1 -- I actually expected more of this reaction than I've received.

I just want to clear up though that the reason I was not able to communicate was because I was not on the ship at that time. I believe that makes it rather hard to hear me.

[path12]

My opinion is that path got stranded because of either something he (a villager at the time) chose, or something that some other player (also a villager) chose. Either way, its not nefarious. This is just a guess, though, and it could be that something else happened.

I had no choices to make, I just was told that I fell asleep and when I woke up it was night. I ran to the boat, but it was already locked down, so I found a park bench to spend the night on. Nothing else happened that I'm aware of except that I apparently smelled pretty funky in the AM.

[Abe Sargent]

Sorry, got distracted with work.

This is where I have everybody for Turn 1 (2nd excursion):

Raiders Army-beach—post 413
The Jackal-snorkeling, saw clap and pass—post 414
Pass-snorkeling, backs up Jackal—post 416
jeheinz72-ruins—post 418
path-came back to boat—post 419
mccollins-swimming with dolphins—post 423
Barkeep-beach—post 426
PurdueBrad-beach—post 430
Sonic Youth-shopping, did not see Anxiety—post 434
claphamsa-confirms Jackal, but says beach—post 444
Lathum-stayed on boat—post 445
nfg22—shopped, found out that Taz had to rhyme—post 459
hoopsguy-shopped, looked at pottery—post 484
Swaggs-Fiesta Boat Party
Anxiety-Shopping (fortune teller), clap is okay—posts 415 and 527
claphamsa-diving for gold—post 528
oliegirl-shopping, incomplete item—post 539
Qwikshot-marine park—post 564
KWhit—safari, saw ntndeacon and CR—post 571

A few things here:

1. clap confirms Jackal’s story, but says they were at the beach (post 444). Jackal says they went snorkeling and weren’t at the beach (post 463). clap says that “Ive never been snorking off a boat before :) I assumed it was the beach and missed the boat part. opps.” (post 465)

2. Here are the people who haven't said where they were (unless I missed somthing):

St.Cronin
ntndeacon
Chief Rum
TazFTW

CR and ntn were seen by KWhit.

3. Sonic Youth went shopping, but didn't elaborate.

I'm sorry that SY is in Australia, and I hate to do this, but at this point he's the best option IMHO.

UNVOTE HOOPS
VOTE SONIC YOUTH



I also confirmed that I saw taz as well

[path12]

Also, with the lack of a Night 1 kill, coupled with no disclosures of bodyguard blocks or anything along those lines, I'm at least considering the idea that no one has gone wolf quite yet.

The premise of the game, as I understand it, is that we get to determine our own fate through our decisions. I think it is very possible that no one has put together a sequence of actions at this point that pull them to the wolf team.

This is an interesting point I hadn't considered. Possible.

[path12]

I'll use myself as an example. Day 1 I was at a party, along with Lathum and Swaggs. I was given options based on this choice, which led to a certain result at night. What I am saying is that, if Lathum or Swaggs are a wolf, I may have discovered this at night (or I may have received a clue about somebody else not at the party, or something else may have happened). My point is simply that knowing what somebody did during the DAY is of zero value at this point.

BTW, what did happen with you? Did you take the drugs?

[Abe Sargent]

I'm a little disappointed to have multiple votes at this point. Since there are two points people are using to justify votes I'll try to rebut each of them.

1.) Didn't choose option for "Fortune Teller" when presented the opportunity.
If there are questions about the fortune teller, which occurred on Night 0, then are the people positioning it assuming that I was a Wolf at this point? Obviously we all started as villagers, so are people assuming that I was somehow moved to the Wolf Team before getting to submit my action order? That the selection of "Shopping" somehow made me get converted? This seems like a really, really weak argument from where I sit.

You don't have to like my reasoning for not going Fortune Teller, but it seems like quite a leap to assume that I'm a wolf because of it.

2.) Cast vote creating a tie on Day 1.
As far as the vote goes, I spelled out my reasons for not liking a vote on Clap when I voted for Sonic Youth. Were they good reasons? Hmm, probably as good as any on Day 1. But now that Clap has been shown as a villager by Anxiety I at least feel better about my instincts on which way to go on that vote. I'm much more satisfied being involved with creating a tie than casting a deciding vote on a villager.

Again, if I was a wolf while casting this vote why would I want to avoid having villager thrown off the boat? I had already suggested earlier that I was unlikely to vote. Yet I did end up voting, in a manner that saved a "villager" from being lynched. What incentive would a wolf have to do this and generate attention as a result?

Everyone has to make choices on who to vote for each day. I understand getting votes from time to time. But I don't really understand either of the two arguments that are being used to suggest I'm the best candidate for today.

I agree that #1 is a poor reason to vote for you. However., I've been seeing some traditional wolf play out of you and jeheinz.

It's an accepted tactic to play with votes late, and then say "It's too obvious, I wouldn;t do it if I were a wolf." It's an accepted tactic to defend a villager early, and then when they turn up good, say, "I was right all along, see!" It an accepted tactic to vote late, with a vote that's good for the village, by a minute or two, to recruit good feelings towards you without doing anything.

So it tings my wolfdar.

[jeheinz72]

I get that path. I knew I was sticking my neck out there, but it didn't sit right (the tie) with me.

[PurdueBrad]

Hoops, unless I missed you posting it, in addition to the fortune teller, what other options did you have?

[Abe Sargent]

Also, with the lack of a Night 1 kill, coupled with no disclosures of bodyguard blocks or anything along those lines, I'm at least considering the idea that no one has gone wolf quite yet.

The premise of the game, as I understand it, is that we get to determine our own fate through our decisions. I think it is very possible that no one has put together a sequence of actions at this point that pull them to the wolf team.

Again, this tings my wolfdar. So let's no vote for anybody! That's exactly the sort of post I'd toss up there while a wolf.

[st.cronin]

BTW, what did happen with you? Did you take the drugs?

I did not take the drugs, nor did I have more than 1 drink. I hung out with some hotties, then hit the hay. Nothing of interest at all to report.

[Abe Sargent]

I think another late move on the Australian in BACK TO BACK DAYS is poor form. I also think there is enough on hoops to warrant further inquiry. I know some people are moving off him, but for me, that's where my vote is going today. Do I have a slam dunk case? Of course not, I just have a couple of ways he's looked suspicious. But on Day Two, I'll take that.

vote hoopsguy

[oliegirl]

Hi guys! I'm finally caught up...stupid people calling and actually expecting me to do work during ww time...sheesh!

NFG, if your incomplete item is like mine, it's very obvious what the missing piece is. Would you be willing to pass it to me to see if we can work together to make it complete? It might help establish a COT between us, I don't see a situation where a wolf would be given this item...

[Barkeep49]

Also, with the lack of a Night 1 kill, coupled with no disclosures of bodyguard blocks or anything along those lines, I'm at least considering the idea that no one has gone wolf quite yet.

The premise of the game, as I understand it, is that we get to determine our own fate through our decisions. I think it is very possible that no one has put together a sequence of actions at this point that pull them to the wolf team.

I believe the premise is that nothing is random, which is slightly different than how I think you've been thinking about the game.

[Raiders Army]

I said I was with Lathum, who said that was correct. Why is this a mystery?

Day 2 I didn't leave the boat, didn't get a pm in.

Raiders, I believe that Chief said he went back on the safari again but it was closed.

I also confirmed that I saw taz as well

I said I may have missed some stuff. I went quickly over the past day or so and then I was interrupted with work. ;)

[Qwikshot]

This is an interesting point I hadn't considered. Possible.


OOC: I think there is a time limit victory as well...I mean this trip only goes so long. So I'm wondering if the wolves already know each other...any non vote to me is a delaying tactic to either a)allow for the wolves to find each other b) allow the wolves to work unobstructed on their goals c) have a larger group to keep finger pointing at maximum. I don't think in this instance the main goal for the wolves would be to kill everyone non-wolf, more so that they probably need to find something perhaps at each port...I would say non-votes would be bad and viewed with suspicion...that said, I won't revert yet to voting for path though it seems no one is concerned by this issue...

[The Jackal]

Methinks Sonic's story up to this point has been a little sketchy. Donno if that's gonna mean he's a wolf, but I feel like most people under the gun right now are innocent.

Vote Sonic Youth

[mccollins]

hoops, I've looked back but I still can't find it - did you mention where you went for your Day 2 excursion?

[Lathum]

I did not take the drugs, nor did I have more than 1 drink. I hung out with some hotties, then hit the hay. Nothing of interest at all to report.

why would you pay a substancial amount of money for them then not take them?

[Lathum]

Vote PAth

I dunno, without much to go on I can see a mechanic where he was converted last night. I mean c'mon, a guy asleep on a bench in a foreign country is a pretty juicy target.

[oliegirl]

At this point I'm leaning toward placing my vote on one of the following people...Path, Sonic Youth, Hoopsguy.

Path's story that nothing happened seems a little vague. What was he doing that made him fall asleep? Did he eat/drink/take anything prior to falling asleep? I feel he's not giving ALL the information on that one.

I'm in the same place as yesterday as far as SY goes. I think he was witholding information from us with no real reason to do so.

Hoops is a great player, I've seen him a great wolf as well as a great villager. It's too early in the game to have a good read on which he is right now, but his vote yesterday is a bit wolfy, I'm just not sure if it's wolfy enough to vote him off at this point and risk losing a really valuable villager.

[st.cronin]

why would you pay a substancial amount of money for them then not take them?

I also did not buy the drugs, despite hinting at it.

[mccollins]

OOC: I think there is a time limit victory as well...I mean this trip only goes so long. So I'm wondering if the wolves already know each other...any non vote to me is a delaying tactic to either a)allow for the wolves to find each other b) allow the wolves to work unobstructed on their goals c) have a larger group to keep finger pointing at maximum. I don't think in this instance the main goal for the wolves would be to kill everyone non-wolf, more so that they probably need to find something perhaps at each port...I would say non-votes would be bad and viewed with suspicion...that said, I won't revert yet to voting for path though it seems no one is concerned by this issue...

I was already a tad suspicious about the timing of ntndeacon and jeheinz72's votes right around the deadline, but if this theory is true it would make me even more suspicious.

[Qwikshot]

OOC: Furthermore, if the wolves have to find something I would look at the schedule two days in Mexico, 1 day grand bahamas, 2 days jamaica, 1 day haiti...why two days...the wolves perhaps had to branch out to find something on day one (perhaps staying the evening off board - sorry path) to find something and return to the ship, maybe a clue, the one nighters are to go and find whatever may have been clue driven...

Again this is all speculation...but mexico had fewer choices than grand cayman, easier to spread out and look...grand cayman seems to have a variety of options, if jamaica is smaller in option, then it's probably a search to find something for the wolves...

Again I speculate...again it's why I'm suspicious of path

[st.cronin]

any non vote to me is a delaying tactic to either a)allow for the wolves to find each other b) allow the wolves to work unobstructed on their goals c) have a larger group to keep finger pointing at maximum.

Either one of us is confused about the rules, or I don't understand your point. Its my understanding that "no lynch", either as an actual vote or as a non-vote, does not actually carry any weight in terms of results. The reason we had a no lynch was because the vote was TIED, not because people voted no-lynch. I think if everybody didn't vote, and you voted for me, that I would get lynched.

[Lathum]

I would agree with Cronin. He is one of the people I saw and I am assuming we got the same choices. I'm no junkie but I like to drink alot

I've been known to experiment. :cool:

why would you pay a substancial amount of money for them then not take them?

I also did not buy the drugs, despite hinting at it.

seems like Cronin is backtracking here.

[path12]

Path's story that nothing happened seems a little vague. What was he doing that made him fall asleep? Did he eat/drink/take anything prior to falling asleep? I feel he's not giving ALL the information on that one.

I didn't eat/drink/take anything. I had no options. I went to the beach to relax in the sun and fell asleep. I understand thinking I'm not giving all my info, but really, that's all I got.

[Qwikshot]

Either one of us is confused about the rules, or I don't understand your point. Its my understanding that "no lynch", either as an actual vote or as a non-vote, does not actually carry any weight in terms of results. The reason we had a no lynch was because the vote was TIED, not because people voted no-lynch. I think if everybody didn't vote, and you voted for me, that I would get lynched.


OOC: There was a question and argument concerning non voting...the run at the end to tie was another issue. Regardless, anything that delays determining wolves from passengers to me is a bad thing, I believe the wolves have objectives to a: find something within a specific timeframe b: kill a specific set of passengers c: both before the trip ends...the questions to ask:

what happens when the cruise ends?
why hasn't anyone died yet?
why weren't there more people that stayed overnight?

[Qwikshot]

ooc:

the number of options is the same...so I apologize, Grand Caymen just seemed to have more options when I read.

[st.cronin]

seems like Cronin is backtracking here.

I purposely hinted at doing something I wasn't planning on doing, on the off chance that either you or Swaggs was a wolf, and the options had some meaning that I couldn't decipher.

[Passacaglia]

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

Just going off a hunch. It seems like people have been following his votes, then he's unvoted. Just a little weird to me.

[Abe Sargent]

I purposely hinted at doing something I wasn't planning on doing, on the off chance that either you or Swaggs was a wolf, and the options had some meaning that I couldn't decipher.

Or the drugs made you a wolf and now you want to disassociate yourself from them

[st.cronin]

Or the drugs made you a wolf and now you want to disassociate yourself from them

*shrug*

Vote for me if you find it suspicious.

[mccollins]

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

Just going off a hunch. It seems like people have been following his votes, then he's unvoted. Just a little weird to me.

I've got to say, I don't know the common practice around here, but I don't like the vote - unvote - vote - unvote - vote way of landing on a target that PurdueBrad has followed yesterday and today.

[hoopsguy]

hoops, I've looked back but I still can't find it - did you mention where you went for your Day 2 excursion?

Day 1 - shopping, selected the Pottery option
Day 2 - didn't submit an order, on account of being dumb (can quote the post if you need it) about game structure

[claphamsa]

im nto really excited about voting for anyone....

[hoopsguy]

Also, Day 1 options included:
- pawn shop
- fortune teller
- pottery shop

I wish I had submitted a Day 2 action because without doing so I don't have information. Particularly in a game where the format is unknown, I really value information and I'm annoyed with myself for not getting the order in. Busy day ... blah blah blah ... I still should have paid more attention, read the thread, understood the requirements like just about everyone else did.

[hoopsguy]

FWIW, I've been pleased with the work mccollins has done in collecting information and asking questions so far this game.

[hoopsguy]

Is there an updated vote count? I haven't seen one in awhile and would prefer to vote for someone with a meaningful chance of getting lynched.

I still remain somewhat suspicious of Jackal, but if it looks like a long-shot to get movement on him then I probably don't go that direction.

I think there is some value in looking at Sonic Youth, as it gives us an idea of the value of yesterday's vote. However, if the wolves have not yet "matured" then there is clearly no value in yesterday's vote. So I'm not pushing this quite as hard as I usually would.

[path12]

Does anyone have a vote count? I'm too busy to put one together. :(

[The Jackal]

I still remain somewhat suspicious of Jackal, but if it looks like a long-shot to get movement on him then I probably don't go that direction.

For what, the second vote on clap?

[The Jackal]

Also, I'm considering switching to PB. My reasoning is similar to Pass, just a hunch. He hasn't had much pressure on him and has seemed overwhelmingly neutral, if that makes sense. I held off being the first because I didn't want it to look like I was bitter after last game, even though I am. ;)

[The Jackal]

dola, and there's the whole voting trends surrounding him, a bit fishy.

[The Jackal]

Ill put together a vote count.

[The Jackal]

Sonic Youth (3) - Raiders Army (597), jeheinz72 (612), The Jackal (632)
path12 (2) - Qwikshot (573), Lathum (635)
Anxiety (1) - nfg22 (545)
TazFTW (1) - Chief Rum (556)
jeheinz72 (1) - path12 (559)
oliegirl (1) - KWhit (605)
hoopsguy (1) - Anxiety (627)
PurdueBrad (1) - Passacaglia (646)

[st.cronin]

3 - Sonic Youth - Raiders Army (597), jeheinz72 (612), The Jackal (632)
2 - path12 - Qwikshot (573), Lathum (635)
1 - Anxiety - nfg22 (545)
1 - TazFTW - Chief Rum (556)
1 - jeheinz72 - path12 (559)
1 - oliegirl - KWhit (605)
1 - hoopsguy - Anxiety (627)
1 - PurdueBrad - Passacaglia (646)

[The Jackal]

Ah good, now we don't have to check our work.

BTW, that Cinciwhatski reference from yesterday was to a terrible movie called 'babes in toyland' with keanu reeves and drew barrymore in it. Oh, childhood.

[Swaggs]

I have about 20 minutes to review and get my vote in.

I am almost certainly going to vote for jeheinz72 based on his odd voting behavior yesterday. Did anything come up today, that I may have missed, that helped his cause? Otherwise, I think his behavior would easily justify an early vote.

[The Jackal]

I have about 20 minutes to review and get my vote in.

I am almost certainly going to vote for jeheinz72 based on his odd voting behavior yesterday. Did anything come up today, that I may have missed, that helped his cause? Otherwise, I think his behavior would easily justify an early vote.

Nothing has really come up. The people that were with him on the safari originally have vouched for him, going off the idea that if they didn't turn into wolves, then he probably didn't either. But that doesn't mean he's trustworthy. Donno, the vote switching seemed a little odd but I think he tried to explain it at some point.

[st.cronin]

I have about 20 minutes to review and get my vote in.

I am almost certainly going to vote for jeheinz72 based on his odd voting behavior yesterday. Did anything come up today, that I may have missed, that helped his cause? Otherwise, I think his behavior would easily justify an early vote.

What was the odd vote behavior, can you elaborate?

[The Jackal]

I feel compelled to explain

I voted for Anxiety to get a vote out there. I didn't have any candidates really, and he's always crafty and screws me over in the end (in the past)

I changed to Cronin then since no one else voted Anxiety, and I wasn't a gigantic fan of the clap or SY options, so as to present a 3rd option. When I voted I thought he had 1 vote on him (post 354, unofficially shows 2 on him, then PB unvotes him in the post before mine)

I then changed from Cronin to SY albeit late because A) I abhor ties and B) I thought SY's explaination of where he was (in-game, the Ruins) seemed convenient, as it was the one spot that no one reallly "saw" anyone else at. A low-risk move.

Basically I was willing to stick my neck out a bit to avoid the tie, though I was still too late.

I'd think though, if one is inclined to believe Anxiety, that I'd be good in their eyes, given that my vote was an ineffective attempt to "save" claphamsa, who the fortune teller told him was good.

theres his explanation

[The Jackal]

What was the odd vote behavior, can you elaborate?

voting for one person without any votes, switching to another without any votes (while there were two candidates with increasing votes), and then switching after the deadline onto one of the two (SY)

[oliegirl]

OK, I'm going to go ahead and cast my vote for SY. I know it sucks that he's in Austrailia and has the problem with times, but my reason for voting for him remains the same as yesterday. I'm willing to give Path and Hoops the benefit of the doubt right now...

VOTE SONIC YOUTH

[Swaggs]

He tried to switch his vote 2-minutes after the deadline and, if I am not mistaken, he switched his vote two other times before that. He also indicated that he was trying to switch his vote to avoid a tie, even though SY (who he changed his vote to) was already two votes ahead.

Not much to go on, but pretty odd behavior for day 1.

What was the odd vote behavior, can you elaborate?

[Swaggs]

theres his explanation

It is an attempt, but all it really does is help with explaining the early changes.

He was actively posting as the deadline was approaching and then made the change, after the deadline, even though the person he voted for was already comfortably out ahead in the voting.

[st.cronin]

I feel like this is like day 1 of a standard game, since there have been no kills.

[path12]

I agree with the odd voting behavior which is why I voted for him. I plan to keep it there unless I have to move for self-preservation reasons.

[The Jackal]

It is an attempt, but all it really does is help with explaining the early changes.

He was actively posting as the deadline was approaching and then made the change, after the deadline, even though the person he voted for was already comfortably out ahead in the voting.

well, the vote did end up being tied

[Barkeep49]

Cronin, I HATE lying as a villager. Especially in this case with so many unknowns.

Vote st.cronin

[st.cronin]

Cronin, I HATE lying as a villager. Especially in this case with so many unknowns.

I understand this, but I didn't actually lie: What I did was hint at taking one possible action, then take another. Fake left, go right.

[claphamsa]

as it stands im probalby gonna vote cronin, BK where didhe lie?

[claphamsa]

oh.

[The Jackal]

Sonic Youth (4) - Raiders Army (597), jeheinz72 (612), The Jackal (632), oliegirl (668)
path12 (2) - Qwikshot (573), Lathum (635)
Anxiety (1) - nfg22 (545)
TazFTW (1) - Chief Rum (556)
jeheinz72 (1) - path12 (559)
oliegirl (1) - KWhit (605)
hoopsguy (1) - Anxiety (627)
PurdueBrad (1) - Passacaglia (646)
st.cronin (1) - Barkeep49 (674)

not voting (9) - claphamsa, st.cronin, hoopsguy, PurdueBrad, Sonic Youth, ntndeacon, mccollins, TazFTW, Swaggs

[jeheinz72]

It is an attempt, but all it really does is help with explaining the early changes.

He was actively posting as the deadline was approaching and then made the change, after the deadline, even though the person he voted for was already comfortably out ahead in the voting.

No he wasn't (ahead). Alan confirmed it was a tie, and since mine missed the deadline it was a tie when I attempted to do it.

I was voting to break the ties.

Anx's vote was to get a vote in.

The cronin vote was admiteddly stupid. I was trying to get a 3rd candidate up there, and went off of a mistaken post count posted shortly before when I did it. At the time, I thought he had a vote on him. I can reference the posts if anyone would like.

[Swaggs]

I'm out of time.

I'm not sure either way, but something just didn't seem right about the actions yesterday. I know that for me, on day 1, if I am a villager and am not in danger, I'm trying not advance and survive by keeping a low profile. I think the behavior of jeheinz72, since he was not in danger, was pretty out of the ordinary.

Vote jeheinz72

[Barkeep49]

I understand this, but I didn't actually lie: What I did was hint at taking one possible action, then take another. Fake left, go right.
Ok you're right it's not a lie. I fail to see, however, what you were trying to accomplish with the juke.

[Barkeep49]

Are we clear from Alan that yesterday was indeed a tie?

[mccollins]

It is an attempt, but all it really does is help with explaining the early changes.

He was actively posting as the deadline was approaching and then made the change, after the deadline, even though the person he voted for was already comfortably out ahead in the voting.

Well, the vote became a tie @ #381 right at 3:00pm and jeheinz has another post of discussion after that. Heinz's vote at #387 really would have been breaking the tie.

All the vote hopping at the deadline is very interesting! I'm curious to see what the next hour will entail!

[The Jackal]

The final vote yesterday was as others stated:

(7) Claphamsa - Chief RUm (246), The Jackal (247), Anxiety (297), qwikshot (334), barkeep (340), sonicyouth (368), ntndeacon (372)
(7) Sonic Youth - Raiders Army (322), Oliegirl (333), Passacaglia (338), mccollins (341), clapamsa (356), purduebrad (359), Hoopsguy (381)
(1) oliegirl - Swaggs (343)
(1) st.cronin - jeheinz72 (360)
(1) Nfg22 - Lathum (262)

This is just an official statement as such so there isn't any confusion.

yes

[Barkeep49]

Thanks. You've been all over stuff this game.

[st.cronin]

Are we clear from Alan that yesterday was indeed a tie?

Yes.

And I don't even know myself, specifically what I was hoping to accomplish - generally I was hoping that putting that hint out there might cause a wolf to make an incorrect assumption, and make a mistake.

[The Jackal]

it'll be odd if Taz doesn't vote two days in a row

[mccollins]

The final vote yesterday was as others stated:

(7) Claphamsa - Chief RUm (246), The Jackal (247), Anxiety (297), qwikshot (334), barkeep (340), sonicyouth (368), ntndeacon (372)
(7) Sonic Youth - Raiders Army (322), Oliegirl (333), Passacaglia (338), mccollins (341), clapamsa (356), purduebrad (359), Hoopsguy (381)
(1) oliegirl - Swaggs (343)
(1) st.cronin - jeheinz72 (360)
(1) Nfg22 - Lathum (262)

This is just an official statement as such so there isn't any confusion.

Yes, Alan confirmed it was a tie.

[claphamsa]

Thanks. You've been all over stuff this game.
thats why we let him in~!

[claphamsa]

vote cronin

[jeheinz72]

I'm out of time.

I'm not sure either way, but something just didn't seem right about the actions yesterday. I know that for me, on day 1, if I am a villager and am not in danger, I'm trying not advance and survive by keeping a low profile. I think the behavior of jeheinz72, since he was not in danger, was pretty out of the ordinary.

Vote jeheinz72

That's fine, I take a different approach to it (right now I'm a vanilla villager, should I die, the team on the whole looses very little).

I get your point, c'est la vie. I just think we missed a good opportunity yesterday do get some data points via votes, hence my desire to break a tie. Hence my vote on SY today (to re-get those points of reference).

It's a bit tricky given that not all wolves may be wolves yet, but I think missing opportunities hurt us. There are some people playing for the cruise to just end though, IIRC.

[mccollins]

Yes.

And I don't even know myself, specifically what I was hoping to accomplish - generally I was hoping that putting that hint out there might cause a wolf to make an incorrect assumption, and make a mistake.

If you had made a lot more posts carrying it on that you did the drugs, I'd be more suspicious. However, it was just the one throwaway comment and then you were busy in RL.

[st.cronin]

By the way, Barkeep, as far as I can tell there's no way for anybody to verify whether I did drugs or not.

[The Jackal]

ill be around until the deadline so ill keep posting updated vote counts everytime there's 2 or 3 changes

[Barkeep49]

By the way, Barkeep, as far as I can tell there's no way for anybody to verify whether I did drugs or not.
That's hardly reassuring :)

[PurdueBrad]

To those voting me, I get it, I've switched a ton this game. Basically I'm over-thinking the day one thing. Although two of my switches are easily defensible, I misunderstood, as did a couple others, what mccollins said on day one (being in character) and my vote on hoops was under the incorrect assumption that we had a no lynch due to not having a majority rather than a tie. Once mccollins explained his comment and we got verification that last night was a tie, I abandoned both votes.

Now, Pass did point out one interesting thing, and that is the trends that have followed two of my votes. I was wondering about a manufactured run but frankly, I'm not sure we have all the wolves out there yet. But I have wondered about the same thing Pass.

That being said, since our server seems to go haywire everyday between noon and two, I'll throw a vote in, same as last night:

vote Sonic Youth

[st.cronin]

dola, what I mean is: Given that we were all villagers on the day I posted "I've been known to experiment", and you think its wolfish to lie, you have to assume I'm lying NOW, and that I did in fact take the drugs. Just trying to make everything clear for everybody.

[The Jackal]

Turning into a Sonic run. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that, but then again.. not sure I want to risk another tie. Since we don't know what victory conditions are for the wolves and it looks to be a limited time frame, everyone staying alive isn't necessarily a good thing.

[hoopsguy]

I'm going to be out heading towards the deadline (2PM CST meeting) so I'm going to get my vote in now. Pretty unlikely to change between now and deadline.

It has been awhile since I played with PurdueBrad, but in his earlier games he was pretty consistent with his thought process, right or wrong. This game he has been more than willing to adapt his thought process (as reflected by votes) multiple times on each day. Maybe he has adapted his playing style, but this raised an eyebrow from me yesterday even before he was 2nd man voting for me today.

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

[mccollins]

Unofficially, I think that's 5-2-2-2 for Sonic Youth, Path12, jeheinz72, and St. Cronin

[The Jackal]

Sonic Youth (5) - Raiders Army (597), jeheinz72 (612), The Jackal (632), oliegirl (668), PurdueBrad (696)
path12 (2) - Qwikshot (573), Lathum (635)
jeheinz72 (2) - path12 (559), Swaggs (680)
st.cronin (2) - Barkeep49 (674), claphamsa (690)
PurdueBrad (2) - Passacaglia (646), hoopsguy (699)
Anxiety (1) - nfg22 (545)
TazFTW (1) - Chief Rum (556)
oliegirl (1) - KWhit (605)
hoopsguy (1) - Anxiety (627)

not voting (5) - st.cronin, Sonic Youth, ntndeacon, mccollins, TazFTW

[PurdueBrad]

Turning into a Sonic run. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that, but then again.. not sure I want to risk another tie. Since we don't know what victory conditions are for the wolves and it looks to be a limited time frame, everyone staying alive isn't necessarily a good thing.

I think it'll turn into another two person run and I'll be curious to see who piles on where.

[jeheinz72]

and PB has 2 as well now

[Barkeep49]

Cronin: I'm not sure what I think. I am sure that I want to discourage villager lying, especially seemingly senseless villager lying.

[mccollins]

Turning into a Sonic run. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that, but then again.. not sure I want to risk another tie. Since we don't know what victory conditions are for the wolves and it looks to be a limited time frame, everyone staying alive isn't necessarily a good thing.

I don't know that I like it either, but the theories / arguments against another tie have me nearly ready to follow the crowd. :confused:

[hoopsguy]

I'm a little confused by some of the comments about "wolves stalling to get to end of cruise". I've quoted the rules below and it appears that the good guys triumph if the cruise finishes. So it is the wolves who want more lynches, more days, etc. Someone please correct me if I'm reading this wrong:

Winning Conditions -

The passengers win if they either have elminiated all members of the Underground at the start of any gameturn starting gameturn 4 or later. The passengers also win if the cruise ship returns to Miami, Florida at the end of the cruise successfully. Be warned, that there might be those who slow down this return trip if given the opportunity however.

The underrground wins if they manage to gain a 1:1 ratio with the remaining passengers. Any third party teams or individual players with independant victory conditions are not considered at all in the 1:1 ratio.

[PurdueBrad]

Hoops, I got the impression that they could actually stop the boat in some way. At first I thought that was why Path missed the boat, so we would have to double-back. When it didn't stop things, I figured the two were unrelated.

[The Jackal]

Part of me wants to make this closer so we can put pressure on the late switchers.. if SY is up by 3+ and there is one or more wolves in that group with 2 votes, there aren't going to be any late switches.

[st.cronin]

Cronin: I'm not sure what I think. I am sure that I want to discourage villager lying, especially seemingly senseless villager lying.

Deception is an important weapon for villagers. Sometimes when I'm a vanilla villager, I'll act like I might be the seer, in order to attract both a bodyguard and a wolf attack, hoping to generate a bodyguard block.

[The Jackal]

Hoops, I got the impression that they could actually stop the boat in some way. At first I thought that was why Path missed the boat, so we would have to double-back. When it didn't stop things, I figured the two were unrelated.

Yeah, I imagine on the way back to Miami, or possibly inbetween our other destinations, someone will screw with the engines or something like that, so that we're stuck at sea for a few days of finger pointing. I don't think the wolves would have enough days to win with 22 people otherwise, unless it was an object win scenario.

[st.cronin]

VOTE KWHIT

[mccollins]

Yeah, I imagine on the way back to Miami, or possibly inbetween our other destinations, someone will screw with the engines or something like that, so that we're stuck at sea for a few days of finger pointing. I don't think the wolves would have enough days to win with 22 people otherwise, unless it was an object win scenario.

Yeah, I figured the wolves might kill the captain and drive the ship to the Bermuda Triangle and we might never get back to Miami. I guess the rules imply that we get back someday, but there have to be some extra days coming at some point.

[st.cronin]

No concrete reason, just he hasn't been particularly active, and I think the vote right now is too much focused on trivial things by people that are actually active.

[oliegirl]

I have to say I'm on Cronin's side on this, he didn't lie, and we've all "twisted the facts" in previous games to try and get information. I don't think in this game, anyone can say that they have always played totally honest and forthcoming with information. He didn't do anything overly sneaky...he was trying to draw out a wolf. I'd say that is more villager behavior than wolf behavior at this point in the game. If that is the only thing that is suspicious about Cronin then I don't think it would be a very good reason to vote for him.

[path12]

Why KWhit?

[path12]

Never mind.

[The Jackal]

No concrete reason, just he hasn't been particularly active, and I think the vote right now is too much focused on trivial things by people that are actually active.

At least KWhit voted today, I don't particularly like the potential two straight no votes from Taz.

[mccollins]

At least KWhit voted today, I don't particularly like the potential two straight no votes from Taz.

I was just getting ready to mention the possibility that Taz can't vote for some reason because of his role.

Then I remember he unvoted near the deadline yesterday and didn't re-vote.

[st.cronin]

At least KWhit voted today, I don't particularly like the potential two straight no votes from Taz.

I agree, he was on my short list as well, but he apparently has some sort of role.

[The Jackal]

Oh, that's right. I forgot about that.

[Sonic Youth]

I'm in the same place as yesterday as far as SY goes. I think he was witholding information from us with no real reason to do so.

HOw can you withold information when there isn't anything to withold. What was it you were given/found again while shopping? Isn't that with-holding information?

[mccollins]

Now is not really the time to bring up other leads, but I've still found ntndeacon's deadline vote switching yesterday to be curious. In addition, he hasn't talked much in the thread and he went to the Jeep Safari (well, the Office since it was closed) on his day 2 excursion. Why go looking for a killer?

[Sonic Youth]

Vote jeheinz72.

I'd seriously look into why people are really voting for me. It's now getting suspicious. jeheinz72 had that suspicious vote just after the deadline while Hoops had that one just before the last.

[The Jackal]

Now is not really the time to bring up other leads, but I've still found ntndeacon's deadline vote switching yesterday to be curious. In addition, he hasn't talked much in the thread and he went to the Jeep Safari (well, the Office since it was closed) on his day 2 excursion. Why go looking for a killer?

Always worth mentioning. And let's see what Sonic can say to defend himself, at least he won't be lynched while he's asleep.

[oliegirl]

HOw can you withold information when there isn't anything to withold. What was it you were given/found again while shopping? Isn't that with-holding information?

Me not being specific on what I received is totally different than you not being willing to even say where you had gone on your first excursion. I was forthcoming and gave specifics on where I'd gone, who I saw, and said that I'd been given an object...

[The Jackal]

Sonic Youth (5) - Raiders Army (597), jeheinz72 (612), The Jackal (632), oliegirl (668), PurdueBrad (696)
jeheinz72 (3) - path12 (559), Swaggs (680), Sonic Youth (723)
path12 (2) - Qwikshot (573), Lathum (635)
st.cronin (2) - Barkeep49 (674), claphamsa (690)
PurdueBrad (2) - Passacaglia (646), hoopsguy (699)
Anxiety (1) - nfg22 (545)
TazFTW (1) - Chief Rum (556)
oliegirl (1) - KWhit (605)
hoopsguy (1) - Anxiety (627)
KWhit (1) - st.cronin (711)

not voting (3) - ntndeacon, mccollins, TazFTW

[path12]

Now is not really the time to bring up other leads, but I've still found ntndeacon's deadline vote switching yesterday to be curious. In addition, he hasn't talked much in the thread and he went to the Jeep Safari (well, the Office since it was closed) on his day 2 excursion. Why go looking for a killer?

Conversely though -- why would a wolf go looking for a killer? Let him do your work for you.

[The Jackal]

Conversely though -- why would a wolf go looking for a killer? Let him do your work for you.

I sort of assumed mc meant that maybe ntn was looking to be converted. Could be wrong.

[jeheinz72]

Vote jeheinz72.

I'd seriously look into why people are really voting for me. It's now getting suspicious. jeheinz72 had that suspicious vote just after the deadline while Hoops had that one just before the last.

It wasn't to be suspicious, it was to get data. I found your choice of locale (the one where no one else knows who else went) to be odd.

But hey, if I get lynched and come back as a passenger, I'd wonder when people are going to start thinking about why you keep narrowly avoiding a lynch.

[hoopsguy]

At least KWhit voted today, I don't particularly like the potential two straight no votes from Taz.

While I dislike "non-votes" in games, it makes much less sense for a wolf (member of minority group, who understands the impact of his vote more clearly - who is good/bad) to miss votes than it does for a villager. I would actually use this as a mild defense for Taz, even if it frustrates me.

[Passacaglia]

Let's fuck shit up.

UNVOTE PURDUEBRAD
VOTE JEHEINZ72

[mccollins]

I sort of assumed mc meant that maybe ntn was looking to be converted. Could be wrong.

Exactly. On that note, what if the trio that went on the Jeep Safari (jeheinz72, Chief Rum, Qwikshot) were converted? Well, I suppose they would not have been as forthcoming with their story...

My indecision is killing me!

[jeheinz72]

Exactly. On that note, what if the trio that went on the Jeep Safari (jeheinz72, Chief Rum, Qwikshot) were converted? Well, I suppose they would not have been as forthcoming with their story...

My indecision is killing me!

My only addendum to that theory would be, then wouldn't at least one of them likely vote to "save" me? Currently that's not the case, nor is it at all feasible with CR's schedule.

[PurdueBrad]

Fun idea Pass and I'm not just saying that because your vote came off me! The late drama can be fun and definitely draw people out.

[Qwikshot]

Exactly. On that note, what if the trio that went on the Jeep Safari (jeheinz72, Chief Rum, Qwikshot) were converted? Well, I suppose they would not have been as forthcoming with their story...

My indecision is killing me!


OOC: I can vouch that I wasn't converted. Nothing happened to us doing that trip, the driver was shot and killed and the gunman fled into the woods, we all decided to drive back to the lodge and explain the issue. That was it.

[Sonic Youth]

Sorry, got distracted with work.

This is where I have everybody for Turn 1 (2nd excursion):

Raiders Army-beach—post 413
The Jackal-snorkeling, saw clap and pass—post 414
Pass-snorkeling, backs up Jackal—post 416
jeheinz72-ruins—post 418
path-came back to boat—post 419
mccollins-swimming with dolphins—post 423
Barkeep-beach—post 426
PurdueBrad-beach—post 430
Sonic Youth-shopping, did not see Anxiety—post 434
claphamsa-confirms Jackal, but says beach—post 444
Lathum-stayed on boat—post 445
nfg22—shopped, found out that Taz had to rhyme—post 459
hoopsguy-shopped, looked at pottery—post 484
Swaggs-Fiesta Boat Party
Anxiety-Shopping (fortune teller), clap is okay—posts 415 and 527
claphamsa-diving for gold—post 528
oliegirl-shopping, incomplete item—post 539
Qwikshot-marine park—post 564
KWhit—safari, saw ntndeacon and CR—post 571

A few things here:

1. clap confirms Jackal’s story, but says they were at the beach (post 444). Jackal says they went snorkeling and weren’t at the beach (post 463). clap says that “Ive never been snorking off a boat before :) I assumed it was the beach and missed the boat part. opps.” (post 465)

2. Here are the people who haven't said where they were (unless I missed somthing):

St.Cronin
ntndeacon
Chief Rum
TazFTW

CR and ntn were seen by KWhit.

3. Sonic Youth went shopping, but didn't elaborate.

I'm sorry that SY is in Australia, and I hate to do this, but at this point he's the best option IMHO.

UNVOTE HOOPS
VOTE SONIC YOUTHStill no reason really is it. It's not like I'm the only suspicious one here, just the one people know the least. Which is why I"m getting the bullet from everyone. Who else has gone shopping and saw anyone apart from Taz? How is that backing up anyone else either. No real reason to make this decision either.

[ntndeacon]

why look for a killer, because I thought it would lead to a hunter role. I assumed that was why guide was killed and wanted to talk to the killer.

[path12]

OOC: I can vouch that I wasn't converted. Nothing happened to us doing that trip, the driver was shot and killed and the gunman fled into the woods, we all decided to drive back to the lodge and explain the issue. That was it.

But were all three of you together the entire time?

[mccollins]

Oh jeez I better get a vote in before the flurry. No offense bro, I just don't like the reasoning on anyone thus far.
VOTE Passacaglia

[Qwikshot]

But were all three of you together the entire time?

ooc:
From what I read yes...there was an option to get out and walk to a village, but none of us did that...heinz drove the car after the driver's death.

[mccollins]

why look for a killer, because I thought it would lead to a hunter role. I assumed that was why guide was killed and wanted to talk to the killer.
Fair enough. What's a hunter? ::searches for WW guide::

[ntndeacon]

I think it is 5-4 now. I dont want to put it into a tie so...

Vote Sonic Youth

Sorry I haven't been really talkative today today is one of my longer days. in fact I have another class in a few minutes. I will talk some after choir this evening. I did put in my itenerary for the day with Alan Last night though.

[Passacaglia]

Oh jeez I better get a vote in before the flurry. No offense bro, I just don't like the reasoning on anyone thus far.
VOTE Passacaglia

hahahahahaha

[TazFTW]

While I think what jeheinz did is strange
It just seems too obvious a reason to Vote
so I pick Sonic Youth from the range
to get kicked off this boat

[jeheinz72]

But were all three of you together the entire time?

for the most part yes.

I know I bought my ticket, then Quik hopped in, then CR, then the killer.

[path12]

ooc:
From what I read yes...there was an option to get out and walk to a village, but none of us did that...heinz drove the car after the driver's death.

Crap. That makes me not like my vote so much.

[ntndeacon]

if a hunter and a wolf is left together on last day hunter and therefore town wins

[The Jackal]

Sonic Youth (7) - Raiders Army (597), jeheinz72 (612), The Jackal (632), oliegirl (668), PurdueBrad (696), ntndeacon (742), TazFTW (744)
jeheinz72 (4) - path12 (559), Swaggs (680), Sonic Youth (723), Passacaglia (731)
path12 (2) - Qwikshot (573), Lathum (635)
st.cronin (2) - Barkeep49 (674), claphamsa (690)
PurdueBrad (1) - hoopsguy (699)
Anxiety (1) - nfg22 (545)
TazFTW (1) - Chief Rum (556)
oliegirl (1) - KWhit (605)
hoopsguy (1) - Anxiety (627)
KWhit (1) - st.cronin (711)
Passacaglia (1) - mccollins (739)

[claphamsa]

whats it 4-4 heinzze and SY?

[Passacaglia]

Oh, that's hilarious. I vote for The Heinz, to try to make the vote interesting for folks who haven't voted yet, then you go and vote for some schlub who doesn't have any votes on him anyway! Man, that Passamujambo guy must be really suspicious for you to vote for him now! ;)