College Football Off Topic

[TripleCrown9]

Quote: Originally Posted by WaitTilNextYear

All well and good until you start comparing in-conference schedules. Overcoming that is why mid-majors are held to a different standard for OOC in the first place. Because they have a lot of ground to gain by not playing the most talented teams 8 and 9 times per season. Weird to see that TCU played themselves, but good info. Even if you're purposely omitting all the strong opponents from that list--like not mentioning that OU and Ohio State played each other, lol. So selective it hurts.

Lol I was purposely posting the weak teams that everyone played, so that is in fact what I was doing.

It was said that UCF didn't play enough quality OOC opponents. Neither did most of the other 24 ranked teams.

[KSUowls]

Quote: Originally Posted by TripleCrown9

Alabama also played Fresno State and Mercer Georgia also played App State and Samford Auburn also played Georgia Southern, Mercer, and Louisiana-Monroe South Carolina also played Louisiana Tech and Wofford Clemson played Kent State and The Citadel Miami played Bethune-Cookman and Toledo Notre Dame played Temple and Miami (OH) Oklahoma played UTEP and Tulane Ohio State played UNLV and Army Wisconsin played Utah State, FAU, and BYU USC played Western Michigan Penn State played Akron and Georgia State UCF played FIU, Maryland, and Austin Peay Washington played Montana and Fresno State TCU played Jackson State and TCU Stanford played Rice There's your Top 15 and their stellar OOC schedules.

And here are the in conference opponents that UCF isn't getting because they aren't part of the P5.

-Georgia also played Auburn (twice) and South Carolina in conference
-Clemson played Miami, VT & NC State in conference
-Miami played Clemson and VT in conference
-Notre Dame doesn't have a conference but they played Georgia, USC, Stanford, NC State & Miami
-Oklahoma played TCU & Oklahoma State in conference
-Ohio State played Penn State, Mich State, Wisconsin in conference

-Wisconsin played OSU in conference (interestingly, Wisconsin was also a team that despite being in the P5 and undefeated for most the year the committee did not give a lot of credit to because their schedule was crap until their CCG)
-USC had Wash State and Stanford in conference
-Penn State had OSU and Mich State in conference
-Washington had Wash St & Stanford in conference
-TCU had Oklahoma and OK State in conference
-Stanford had USC (2x), Washington, Wash State in conference


It's not that OOC is the end all be all. It's that UCF needs 2 or 3 high quality OOC matchups to equal what all of those top 15 teams are getting inside their own conferences (before any big OOC games those teams may be scheduling on top of it).

[KSUowls]

Quote: Originally Posted by WaitTilNextYear

I think you meant South Bend. I would remember a UGA-Michigan game, lol. Point is still well taken. People trying to extrapolate 1 game Bama played against Mercer into a 'nobody plays good teams OOC' position is baffling and very obviously selective.

Oops. I saw your avatar and Michigan was in my head lol.

[TripleCrown9]

Quote: Originally Posted by KSUowls

It's not that OOC is the end all be all. It's that UCF needs 2 or 3 high quality OOC matchups to equal what all of those top 15 teams are getting inside their own conferences (before any big OOC games those teams may be scheduling on top of it).

Quote: Originally Posted by KSUowls

The one place I'd say it is their fault is that their OOC schedule is crap. If they went undefeated while playing LSU, Michigan and USC in a season instead of FIU, Maryland and Austin Peay then then it would be much harder to keep them out. Those big OOC schools don't want to do a home/home with UCF though so UCF doesn't want to schedule them....Sorry, if want to be be included in the party then you're going to have to go on the road and play a big OOC schedule even if it means you don't get a home date with that team later on.

[KSUowls]

Quote: Originally Posted by TripleCrown9

Lol I was purposely posting the weak teams that everyone played, so that is in fact what I was doing. It was said that UCF didn't play enough quality OOC opponents. Neither did most of the other 24 ranked teams.

No, it was said that UCF didn't play enough quality opponents period, because unlike the P5 teams they don't have them on their schedule by default. Nearly all of the top 25 teams from the P5 had 2, 3, or even 4 more quality opponents just within their own conference. UCF doesn't get them in conference so they have to get them elsewhere.

[KSUowls]

Quote: Originally Posted by TripleCrown9

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Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

That's a cop out response that is used by the Power 5, and playoff committee, to keep teams like UCF out of the chance to play for a National Championship. They can't help the conference they are in. They can't help that schedules are made years in advance. They can't help if a Power 5 team decides to buyout a game vs them rather than risk taking a loss to an "inferior" team. The conference a team plays in doesn't, at least it shouldn't, equate to the worthiness of a team to play for a National Championship. UCF beat every team that was put before them, including a team from the powerhouse SEC. What more are they supposed to do?

They don't control the lack of quality opponents in their conference. They can control who they schedule OOC.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Quote: Originally Posted by TripleCrown9

Lol I was purposely posting the weak teams that everyone played, so that is in fact what I was doing. It was said that UCF didn't play enough quality OOC opponents. Neither did most of the other 24 ranked teams.

They didn't and also didn't play enough quality conference opponents either, because they play in a 2nd tier conference. I'm not sure why this is so difficult for people to understand: a strong OOC schedule is needed to overcome a weak conference schedule--kinda like how Notre Dame does it in overcoming a no-conference schedule. Yet, UCF's OOC schedule was arguably worse than any playoff contender's was. In addition to having the weak conference schedule.

So, now here we are blaming other teams for not scheduling UCF and blaming the committee for not giving UCF the benefit of a doubt when they didn't earn it. Especially not before the playoff teams had to be decided on. Move that Auburn win before bowl season and it's potentially a whole different animal. If Bama or UGA or OU or Clemson had gone 12-0 against UCF's schedule, the CFB world would've been set ablaze with hot takes about a ridiculously weak schedule. And none of them would've got in either, probably. In college football, it's not just about 'did you win'? It's also heavily about 'against whom did you win'?

As for you posting just the bad parts of OOC schedules, that could've been made clearer what your intent was. You seemed to be just wanting to lampoon the other teams with no acknowledgement that they, almost without exception, played 1 or 2 stronger OOC opponents than UCF did. So it came off as disingenuous or as an attempt to obscure, imo.

[TripleCrown9]

Quote: Originally Posted by KSUowls

Below They don't control the lack of quality opponents in their conference. They can control who they schedule OOC.

Except the OOC opponents are scheduled YEARS in advance (except for FCS teams, idk). Ohio State has a home and home with Boston College in 2026 and 2027.

When UCF scheduled Maryland, Maryland could've been good (which, fun fact and not super relevant to this conversation at all, Maryland also decided to claim a national championship after being the only team to finish undefeated and not finish #1).