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jake19ny · 09-30-2015, 10:09 PM

Call me crazy but hear me out...I keep trying to understand how come a tuner designed to increase stick contact during poke check can end up making the game speed faster or the Goalies worse, etc etc...EA clearly lists in tuner notes what the tuner is for yet it seems to completely overhaul the entire AI and gameplay every time.

These latest tuners are a perfect example; The September 28 tuner had a handful of changes then September 30 tuner notes imply it only removed the poke checking yet the entire game plays different than it did after the original September 28 tuner. Shouldn't it play exactly the same just without the over the top tripping? My initial thoughts were for every action there is a reaction so every time they make a change to one thing it will affect something else. I still think that's true but I'm not convinced one thing alone can alter the entire gameplay and AI.

So here is where my crazy thought comes in...I'm a long time EA NHL player and back in the PC hey day we had some amazing modding communities for visual, AI, and tools. It's where I was introduced to NHLview and I miss it dearly. I was also introduced to a tool called the TCE (total control editor) it opened up the NHL AIdata.viv (or something like that) which was basically the games AI. It had many of the sliders we see as game players but also had a lot more we're not privy to or able to edit. It also allowed us to edit on a scale of 1-100. Well during my time with NHL 2008 and 2009 I noticed that when I altered the AI it would work just fine but once I overwrote the edited AIdata file the gameplay would be all jacked up and not how it should have played based on my settings. I ended up having to keep unedited copies of my AIdata and when I wanted to tweak things I had to start with a fresh AIdata file instead of overwriting the same one.

Now I know the next gen systems are not a PC and the files are not the same, but what if that's the issue and they don't even know it? Maybe every time they keep overwriting these tuners to fix something it's messing other stuff up to the point it doesn't resemble the original AI. It's so very similar to the problens I had in the PC day and until it was discovered I had the same frustrations we seem to have now. Just a thought.

kehlis · 09-30-2015, 10:11 PM

That's tough to read man, can you maybe go back and space it out a bit?

jake19ny · 09-30-2015, 10:24 PM

Lol. I thought the sane thing reading through it.
Let me if it's a bit better now.

Vikes1 · 09-30-2015, 11:09 PM

I just wish we could go back to where we could choose which tuner we preferred. I'd love to have a tuner released that added somehow a more "human element" to vs cpu play.

JezFranco · 10-01-2015, 02:57 AM

Can't say exactly how their tuners work, but what's sure is that there's always other things that get messed up or changed, and has been since they introduced the tuners.

Combine that with the the save function that wasn't specific to different modes, it made a situation where it was almost impossible to keep the gameplay the same throughout a season as they keep releasing tuners that are supposed to fix A and B, but also alters C, D, E and F...

northmen24 · 10-01-2015, 08:31 AM

In my expierence Penalties and Game Speed go hand in hand. If the game speed is too slow and players move too slow then there's no penalties. The faster and quicker the players the more careless sticks and body checks get. I just don't think you can have penalties and slow game speed with the engine this game is made with.

Just my opinion. I use game speed 0 but have player acceleration at 4/4 and its perfect for me.

bad_philanthropy · 10-01-2015, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Vikes1


	I just wish we could go back to where we could choose which tuner we preferred. I'd love to have a tuner released that added somehow a more "human element" to vs cpu play.

Agreed, and for me that was the Sept 28th. I have no problem if others found it's changes made gameplay unenjoyable, and I applaud the dev team for listening, but everyone can be accommodated here by allowing earlier tuners to be used.

NDIrishRangers78 · 10-01-2015, 09:05 AM

I wrote on their Facebook page and they said they are aware of the problems and are working on it

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09-30-2015, 10:09 PM	#1
jake19ny MVP OVR: 0 Join Date: Mar 2011	Thoughts on tuners: call me crazy Call me crazy but hear me out...I keep trying to understand how come a tuner designed to increase stick contact during poke check can end up making the game speed faster or the Goalies worse, etc etc...EA clearly lists in tuner notes what the tuner is for yet it seems to completely overhaul the entire AI and gameplay every time. These latest tuners are a perfect example; The September 28 tuner had a handful of changes then September 30 tuner notes imply it only removed the poke checking yet the entire game plays different than it did after the original September 28 tuner. Shouldn't it play exactly the same just without the over the top tripping? My initial thoughts were for every action there is a reaction so every time they make a change to one thing it will affect something else. I still think that's true but I'm not convinced one thing alone can alter the entire gameplay and AI. So here is where my crazy thought comes in...I'm a long time EA NHL player and back in the PC hey day we had some amazing modding communities for visual, AI, and tools. It's where I was introduced to NHLview and I miss it dearly. I was also introduced to a tool called the TCE (total control editor) it opened up the NHL AIdata.viv (or something like that) which was basically the games AI. It had many of the sliders we see as game players but also had a lot more we're not privy to or able to edit. It also allowed us to edit on a scale of 1-100. Well during my time with NHL 2008 and 2009 I noticed that when I altered the AI it would work just fine but once I overwrote the edited AIdata file the gameplay would be all jacked up and not how it should have played based on my settings. I ended up having to keep unedited copies of my AIdata and when I wanted to tweak things I had to start with a fresh AIdata file instead of overwriting the same one. Now I know the next gen systems are not a PC and the files are not the same, but what if that's the issue and they don't even know it? Maybe every time they keep overwriting these tuners to fix something it's messing other stuff up to the point it doesn't resemble the original AI. It's so very similar to the problens I had in the PC day and until it was discovered I had the same frustrations we seem to have now. Just a thought. Gbpackerowner, bad_philanthropy and CupCrazyManiac like this. Last edited by jake19ny; 09-30-2015 at 10:33 PM.

09-30-2015, 10:11 PM	#2
kehlis Moderator OVR: 41 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 27,792	Re: Thoughts on tuners: call me crazy That's tough to read man, can you maybe go back and space it out a bit?

09-30-2015, 10:24 PM	#3
jake19ny MVP OVR: 0 Join Date: Mar 2011	Re: Thoughts on tuners: call me crazy Lol. I thought the sane thing reading through it. Let me if it's a bit better now. Last edited by jake19ny; 09-30-2015 at 10:28 PM.

09-30-2015, 11:09 PM	#4
Vikes1 Proctor, MN. Go Rails! OVR: 23 Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 4,115	Re: Thoughts on tuners: call me crazy I just wish we could go back to where we could choose which tuner we preferred. I'd love to have a tuner released that added somehow a more "human element" to vs cpu play. kt-od, MizzouRah and CupCrazyManiac like this. __________________ 1969 NFL Champions

10-01-2015, 02:57 AM	#5
JezFranco Pro OVR: 6 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Stockholm, Sweden	Re: Thoughts on tuners: call me crazy Can't say exactly how their tuners work, but what's sure is that there's always other things that get messed up or changed, and has been since they introduced the tuners. Combine that with the the save function that wasn't specific to different modes, it made a situation where it was almost impossible to keep the gameplay the same throughout a season as they keep releasing tuners that are supposed to fix A and B, but also alters C, D, E and F... __________________ Thank you EA - This game is officially better than sex

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10-01-2015, 08:31 AM	#6
northmen24 MVP OVR: 1 Join Date: Oct 2006	Re: Thoughts on tuners: call me crazy In my expierence Penalties and Game Speed go hand in hand. If the game speed is too slow and players move too slow then there's no penalties. The faster and quicker the players the more careless sticks and body checks get. I just don't think you can have penalties and slow game speed with the engine this game is made with. Just my opinion. I use game speed 0 but have player acceleration at 4/4 and its perfect for me. smokines3 likes this.

10-01-2015, 09:05 AM	#8
NDIrishRangers78 Rookie OVR: 0 Join Date: Oct 2013	Re: Thoughts on tuners: call me crazy I wrote on their Facebook page and they said they are aware of the problems and are working on it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Money99 likes this.

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