why are people not satisfied

[actionhank]

Quote: Originally Posted by onlybygrace

Thank you. Be A Pro has sucked basically since forever. Great suggestion. Good luck on anyone taking your advice, though. Complaining is way more fun...and in a sense, satisfying.

In fairness to them, that's something worthy of complaint. If Be A Pro doesn't work right, saying "Change the roster and play with Position Lock!" isn't exactly a helpful solution. I'll agree, it's better than Be a Pro, which has been frustrating in the way it rates your play, but the absurd position grading and mechanics in Be a Pro are issues that shouldn't be there.

While I haven't been able to play NHL 17 yet, I can see that a lot of improvements have been made, and I think that deserves some credit for EA. They're never going to please everyone, but it looks like they're slowly building the game back up towards it's past glory. Videos I've seen around look like some of the goofy stuff from the past may still be there, but, improvements are improvements.

[rickster1]

Point proven, go and play the other ice hockey vid games instead.

[drog1602]

Offline I can get the game playing how I like and I am satisfied. Online is always a trade off and caters to more arcade than sim, I try to play with that in mind. The EASL has been fun this year, with only a few things that need tweaked.

Overall this years game has been really good. Refreshing since the last two years were terrible.

[actionhank]

Quote: Originally Posted by rickster1

Point proven, go and play the other ice hockey vid games instead.

That's literally no more of a contribution to things than people who just say "This game sucks, I hate it".

There are valid complaints. People aren't all going to love the game, and while there's such a thing as complaining just to do it, constructive criticism that spurs conversation is worth the time.

If everyone just wants a shouting box where all they hear are the same opinions they have, the game will never change.

[BlacknBlue]

Quote: Originally Posted by kehlis

Are you not doing the exact same thing with this post?

I would think that the obvious issue in this is that if there are issues with areas of this game it would be beneficial to bring them to light, rather than to shun and call-out those who choose to do so.

And I would also think that it would be obvious that there is quite a double standard going on here in that it is completely acceptable to make posts and threads that are not only not constructive in a positive manner, but they do nothing but attack the community that is being constructive in naming the specific issues that have plagued this series for nearly a decade.

For every generic "this game sucks!" post there seems to be an equal or greater number of "this game is amazing and anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong!". Neither are constructive, but yet the latter (and entire threads such as this one, that offer absolutely nothing) are not only allowed to exist, they are promoted and backed.

If the OP really wished to know the reason why people were unhappy with the game, in any possible capacity, they could have simply read the impressions thread that we are directed to in every forum at this site. To make a thread that simply questions those who differ in opinion offers next to nothing for the community or the development or potential improvement of the game.

And then what really matters is the age old, if you love the game, great. You get to have fun. But if you are struggling with things in the game that are broken beyond your control, then what is your recourse? Be stuck with it, or voice your concerns in a specific manner in the vague hope that someone may pick up on it and address in the future iterations of the series. I think that majority of the people who are "not satisfied" are specifically pointing out what is/are their issue(s) on this site. But the majority of the people who are "satisfied" spend their time defending their opinion rather than being copacetic. Which makes little sense.

Not everyone will have the same experience as you. Not everyone plays the same way as you. Not everyone plays the same modes as you. They are not wrong for doing so, nor are their opinions. In chastising them you hold everyone back from potentially receiving a better product. To not understand this notion is equally as damaging as the threads like this one.

[kehlis]

Quote: Originally Posted by BlacknBlue

I would think that the obvious issue in this is that if there are issues with areas of this game it would be beneficial to bring them to light, rather than to shun and call-out those who choose to do so. And I would also think that it would be obvious that there is quite a double standard going on here in that it is completely acceptable to make posts and threads that are not only not constructive in a positive manner, but they do nothing but attack the community that is being constructive in naming the specific issues that have plagued this series for nearly a decade. For every generic "this game sucks!" post there seems to be an equal or greater number of "this game is amazing and anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong!". Neither are constructive, but yet the latter (and entire threads such as this one, that offer absolutely nothing) are not only allowed to exist, they are promoted and backed. If the OP really wished to know the reason why people were unhappy with the game, in any possible capacity, they could have simply read the impressions thread that we are directed to in every forum at this site. To make a thread that simply questions those who differ in opinion offers next to nothing for the community or the development or potential improvement of the game. And then what really matters is the age old, if you love the game, great. You get to have fun. But if you are struggling with things in the game that are broken beyond your control, then what is your recourse? Be stuck with it, or voice your concerns in a specific manner in the vague hope that someone may pick up on it and address in the future iterations of the series. I think that majority of the people who are "not satisfied" are specifically pointing out what is/are their issue(s) on this site. But the majority of the people who are "satisfied" spend their time defending their opinion rather than being copacetic. Which makes little sense. Not everyone will have the same experience as you. Not everyone plays the same way as you. Not everyone plays the same modes as you. They are not wrong for doing so, nor are their opinions. In chastising them you hold everyone back from potentially receiving a better product. To not understand this notion is equally as damaging as the threads like this one.

I personally have no problem with any of that and completely agree.

My post was questioning you on asking someone why they care about what others think when it's obvious (and fair) that you too seem to very much care what others think.

[BlacknBlue]

Quote: Originally Posted by kehlis

I personally have no problem with any of that and completely agree. My post was questioning you on asking someone why they care about what others think when it's obvious (and fair) that you too seem to very much care what others think.

As I stated, I only care because that way of thinking (concerning oneself with what others think to make your opinion feel justified) specifically threatens my efforts to list the issues within this game and have them be noticed or addressed.

And while it may seem like an oxymoron of sorts, it really isn't when delved into more deeply. Their concern over people not liking this game is not the same as my concern about their concern. Their concern has no impact on anything whatsoever, other than what is perceived to be right within their own mind. My concern impacts anyone who is working to hopefully improve this game that we used to love, and not having to fight the masses in getting our voices heard, simply because we do not fall in line with someone else's ideas and opinions.

I hope you can see the difference. If I state my issues from within the game I don't go and make threads and posts calling-out others that differ in opinion from myself. That is exactly what this thread is doing. It offers nothing constructive and belittles and generalizes anyone who differs in opinion. And offers anyone who wishes a chance to pile on in that same vein. My retort was simply that, an answer to their original question, as well as a statement as to why I feel it is important to be able to voice my concerns without being mocked or subjected to criticism for doing so.

[dezertrat37]

People are not satisfied because this game is terrible. This is possibly the game in the past 10 yrs. Its sad they can put out a game and call it new. This is last years game with "added sliders". Sliders seem to have no effect. I feel that last years game I had better games. Goalies now are way way worse than ever. They dont stop a damn thing. Every single cross crease pass is a goal. Players never maintain control of the puck if the cpu sniff's them. Players skate over the puck instead of obtaining the puck. You can lay out the cpu puck carrier and he will still get right back up and get possession of the puck. If only EA would honor what they do for Origin. We could get full refunds for this game being ****. But since EA only honors customer satisfaction for origin orders. We are screwed. Esp since this crap game isn't made for pc.