Tuner Version - FIX THIS PLEASE

[johnnydrum]

Quote: Originally Posted by JayhawkerStL

And then you come to Operation Sports, and you see some of the most obnoxious FUD, like trying to call this game unstable and janky. Like it is “almost going to crash.” It’s just nonsense. But imagining that you reprint any kind of demographic the NHL or EA cares about marketing is just filling you with unearned entitlement.

First of all, you dont know me, so please be respectfull and stop asuming that I have some sort of entitlement:
I have made no such asumptions about you, so please show similar.

Secondly, EA themselves have acknowledged that the game needed to be repaired (hence they created several Patches) to fix , in thier own words "various gameplay crash and desync fixes" so when you are saying posters are talking nonsense about the "unstable game"--the developers themselves have admitted so.
Full credit to EA for acknowledging, but , sadly, the patches and repairs, while fixing some problems, have created many, many more.
As a Customer, whether i play On-Line, Off-Line, Sim, Arcade , etc I am withn my rights (as long as I am not being abusive/ aggresive) to voice my opinion.

I do not use the boards to tell people what to buy and what not (because who cares what i think), or what to like etc, I use these boards to ask questions, which I hope that experianced users may be able to provide to help me enjoy (and attempt to fix) a Game which I have had a long love affair with.

But hey, if you are enjoying good for you.

[JayhawkerStL]

Quote: Originally Posted by johnnydrum

As a Customer, whether i play On-Line, Off-Line, Sim, Arcade , etc I am withn my rights (as long as I am not being abusive/ aggresive) to voice my opinion.

Not only is no one denying your precious right to speak your truth, but YOU deleted my comment saying EXACTLY that in order to play the victim as hard as you can.

You can demand flipping chicken wings at McDonalds, because you have the right, but you are still going to look like a dum dum.

The issue isn’t whether you have the right to want to buy and enjoy a game, it’s that EA has the right to not give two ****s what you want, and to choose to focus on other gamers they think are more profitable.

Everything about what sim gamers want from a hockey game makes the games horrible to play for everyone else. But worse, sim gamers never shut up. EVER.

They share their sliders, and tweak to their hearts delights, all they while telling people on forums that the stock game, the game everyone is using to play HUT, sucks. So it isn’t enough to just make the game adaptable for sim gamers. They have to actually run you off, because they believe that sim gamers cost them sales and revenue over the long haul just by posting about the game.

EA looks at OS as a liability. The loudest demographic here is sim gamers, and they have zero realization that not only has their day come and gone, but they are viewed as toxic and undesirable to have in your community.

And I don’t mean toxic as in offensive and aggressive. I mean, as in if sim gamers glom onto your game, they will never shut up with their “helpful” suggestions, and worse, they will mock the majority of your customers for not playing the game “right.”.

Because when games went more sim sales dropped, and franchises disappeared. Casual sports gamers did not flood the internet with rants about the games being too slow and boring. They just found other games to play. And there are way more of them than there are sim gamers. You see every sports game franchise emphasizing arcade and fun instead of sim, because they want the good customers back, and sports leagues DESPERATELY want them back.

And no sports leagues don’t want sim gamers playing video games. They view video games as for their casual fans, and it helps keep them engaged. Sim gamers are engaged regardless, so sports leagues don’t care if you get a video game or not.

The point of this thread was that EA stripped out a feature that allowed people to have multiple versions of the game going, along with multiple conversions that get confused with each other based on what tuner and sliders you are using. I’m trying to explain why.

HUT requires ZERO sliders. Everyone is on an even playing field, in terms of how the game plays. So the feature turned into a liability for HUT. And, and the only people that care are the EXACT ones that cause the most problems. The guy that figured out that removing that feature would run off some gamers probably got a bonus.

[johnnydrum]

Quote: Originally Posted by JayhawkerStL

Not only is no one denying your precious right to speak your truth, but YOU deleted my comment saying EXACTLY that in order to play the victim as hard as you can.

I apologise if theres some sort of language barrier/problem between us, but I honestly havnt deleted any of your comments (I didnt know that one could even delete someone elses comments unless you were an admin?)
I dont undertsand why you are so angry about people complaining that the Game has faults and issues?
EA themselves have acknowledged and accepted (and tried to repair) the games MANY faults (NO MATTER WHICH STYLE YOU PLAY)
I am not playing the "Victim " (lol)---I only came on here to find out if anyone understands whats happened to the game (you do realise its a discussion board right?)

Anyway, theres obviously something not right going on between us, so respectfully I think its best if me and you cease debating with each other, as it must be very boring and tediuos to other people here who are trying to get help in fixing thier game (no matter how they wish to play it)

Admin, please feel free to remove my posts from this discussion as its just needlessly filling up the thread.
Thank You.

[JayhawkerStL]

I wrote:

Quote: Originally Posted by JayhawkerStL

And then you come to Operation Sports, and you see some of the most obnoxious FUD, like trying to call this game unstable and janky. Like it is “almost going to crash.” It’s just nonsense. It’s cool to not like the game, and even say why. But imagining that you reprint any kind of demographic the NHL or EA cares about marketing is just filling you with unearned entitlement.

But you quoted:

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And then you come to Operation Sports, and see some obnoxious FUD, like trying to call this game unstable and janky. Like it is “almost going to crash.” It’s just nonsense. But imagining that you reprint (sic = should have been “represent”) any kind of demographic the NHL or EA cares about marketing is just filling you with unearned entitlement.

I’m not saying you don’t have the right air grievances. But in this thread, in this topic, there is a desire for EA to restore a feature they once had. It clearly only affects sim gamers. Everything about their game design and marketing seems aimed at distancing themselves from hardcore hockey fans. The entire point of the having Matthews on the cover is to play up the flashiness and sick moves.

My point isn’t even about whether the tuners should all be saved. My point is that when you look at the entire game as a whole, along with how they market it, I feel safe in assuming they removed it because it hurts HUT by maintaining a maintaining multiple playing experiences.

So, if you want them to change, you can’t just say you want the game fixed. It’s not broken. It’s on purpose. You have to convince them that you are worth marketing to, and whether you think it is your right or not, how this forum generally goes about demanding features has driven developers away from here. At best, the marketing guys are reading this, and then crafting new plans to convince you the game is not for you.

I don’t see any way that catering to sim gamers improves sales. And hockey will ALWAYS be the most extreme version of this. Video game hockey has traditionally, and continues to be, more popular as a video game than a sport people watch. Making the game more realistic only drove people the NHL wants to market to away from the game.

For me, when I notice that what I want from a business is actually something they aren’t willing to able to offer, I move on. I grew up on sim gaming since the paper and dice years. When I realized I was going to have to hold a controller to enjoy action sim sports, I understood that it meant sharing the space with gamers with far different wants and needs, and that there were WAY MORE of them than there were of us,

What it did was allow me to enjoy what I think has turned out to be fantastic versions of sports games, blending the arcade fun of old with far more control and strategies available. I still play on the “sim” settings for every sports game, although hockey is one exception.

Sometimes, playing on arcade feels as good as blasting aliens in Halo. I mean, last year, I played mostly Threes and Chelsea because it was so much fun. But I’m playing almost all franchise and play now, because it is so much fun.

I stopped asking for home ice advantage on face offs, because it became clear that even the vaunted sim gamers of OS weren’t even aware of it. So I take the games as they make them, and play the ones I find the most fun.

Because, here’s the thing. Once all of our consoles became wired to the internet, what we say in online forums really ceased to matter. They know EXACTLY how many people play the game in different ways. They know EXACTLY how long they stick with it. They know EXACTLY what moments cause them to shut the game off and never come back. They know EXACTLY who comes back anyway.

That’s why the tuners were removed.