I really appreciate the fighter individuality

[Nugget7211]

Quote: Originally Posted by UFCBlackbelt

I don't really see Convington as a strong lead coming into this fight. Takedown defense is really one of Woodley's strengths, and he just had a full camp to prepare for it against Maia. Maia certainly doesn't wrestle like Covington, but Woodley has fought better wrestlers than Colby. Plus, Woodley has a strong Guillotine, which Colby has lost to. Colby's career is still young, it's a good fight and I'm looking forward to it, I'm just not sold yet on him, this will be his biggest stepping stone ever.

Who's this better wrestler you speak of? And Tyron has never won a fight by guillotine, not to say he can't do one, because we saw it in the wonderboy fight, but he's never finished one.

[Serengeti1]

Quote: Originally Posted by UFCBlackbelt

Woodley has fought better wrestlers than Colby. Plus, Woodley has a strong Guillotine, which Colby has lost to.

Colby is a very, very good wrestler. For some reason some people still aren't even giving him credit for that?

The only guy you can argue is as good a wrestler as Colby that Tyron has fought is Koscheck. And he was far past his prime and they struck.

Colby got caught with that guillotine shooting in while he was still fresh (meaning no sweat). It happens. Definitely his mistake but he'd beat Alves in a rematch.

[Bigg Cee]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheJamesKraus

I understand his personality and ranking but he’ll hardly be fun to use unless you’re Big Cee of course

lol.............👍🏻

[TheJamesKraus]

Quote: Originally Posted by Serengeti95

I dunno... Colby said he worked Tyron in sparring (yes, grain of salt). There were always stories that Colby was called the future champ at ATT tho. Like he'd work Lawler over and wrestle **** him. Had success against Tyron too supposedly. He's clearly confident he can beat him for a reason too. I don't see why Colby couldn't impose a boring grappling heavy gameplan to beat him. Clinch him up against the cage and take him down. Maybe he struggles to get takedowns but I can still see him grinding him out in an ugly way. Tyron has showed he's susceptible to that on more than once occasion and Colby has the mindset, skills, and stamina to do it. Colby is a D1 All American. Usman is a D2 wrestler. Tyron is also a D1 All American but all these credentials are somewhat irrelevant due to MMA wrestling being different. Colby has way more of a shot than people think. I'd pick him on the great odds I'd get even if I see it as like 60-40 in Tyron's favour. It wouldn't surprise me at all. Who knows anything tho... Rose KO'd Joanna in the first round....

Tyrone’s takedown defense is one of his best attributes. Ok he has had some questionable descisions over wrestlers in the past.. but I think he’s one of the smartest champs there is, he brings in specific guys to deal with what he calls “specialist” opponents. I’ve seen Colby wrestle **** Jorge Masvidal, who has pretty good takedown defense but everything changes once you get punched in the face.

Most people understood that Rose would be Joanna’s toughest fight. I don’t really see anyone saying that about Colby and Woodley.

I think Covington has massive holes in his game which he won’t be able to fill in the next few months or w.e.

I don’t think he should even be next in line anyway, it’s RDA’s shot... but Colby does a good job with talking **** on Instagram so who knows in this WME era $$$$

[Serengeti1]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheJamesKraus

Most people understood that Rose would be Joanna’s toughest fight. I don’t really see anyone saying that about Colby and Woodley.

We've never seen a top wrestler try to take Tyron down. Then we will really see how good it is. It's certainly very good but Shields and Maia wouldn't take Colby down either.

And bro..... This is one of the worst cases of revisionist history I've ever seen. Rose was def not seen as Joanna's toughest fight lol. She was a heavy underdog. And 1st round KO? Forget it. Claudia, Andrade, and Karolina were all given more of a chance.

It's so easy to say things like this in hindsight in MMA. The same thing happened with Rousey/Holm. It always does. Sometimes I catch myself doing it but I quickly remind myself that at the time I didn't see it coming whatsoever. Don't get me wrong... you never know. But these things are much harder to visualise before they happen.

[TheJamesKraus]

Quote: Originally Posted by Serengeti95

We've never seen a top wrestler try to take Tyron down. Then we will really see how good it is. It's certainly very good but Shields and Maia wouldn't take Colby down either. And bro..... This is one of the worst cases of revisionist history I've ever seen. Rose was def not seen as Joanna's toughest fight lol. She was a heavy underdog. And 1st round KO? Forget it. Claudia, Andrade, and Karolina were all given more of a chance. It's so easy to say things like this in hindsight in MMA. The same thing happened with Rousey/Holm. It always does. Sometimes I catch myself doing it but I quickly remind myself that at the time I didn't see it coming whatsoever. Don't get me wrong... you never know. But these things are much harder to visualise before they happen.

That is only one aspect of the fight though, and I don’t really think it will even matter after he gets hit by a right hand. Did you see what Maia done to him..

Betting lines don’t reflect the views of hardcore MMA fans, I can assure you that many fans thought I’d Joanna got through Rose then she would be WMMA goat etc.

Fans were willing for Holm to finish Ronda but obviously no one predicted it in a million years - she was another level of dominance.

I think you seem to forget how many times Joanna was dropped before that fight with Rose, and Rose was also coming off that epic headkick KO of Karate Hottie. Rose also had/has the edge on the ground... still no one seen it as a 1st rd KO but definitely Rose potentially winning/toughest fight.

[Serengeti1]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheJamesKraus

That is only one aspect of the fight though, and I don’t really think it will even matter after he gets hit by a right hand. Did you see what Maia done to him.. Betting lines don’t reflect the views of hardcore MMA fans, I can assure you that many fans thought I’d Joanna got through Rose then she would be WMMA goat etc. Fans were willing for Holm to finish Ronda but obviously no one predicted it in a million years - she was another level of dominance. I think you seem to forget how many times Joanna was dropped before that fight with Rose, and Rose was also coming off that epic headkick KO of Karate Hottie. Rose also had/has the edge on the ground... still no one seen it as a 1st rd KO but definitely Rose potentially winning/toughest fight.

I agree the ground game was a threat but we've seen Joanna fight stronger grapplers/better wrestlers who were unable to keep her down. Definitely don't agree that even hardcore fans thought Rose was the toughest fight at all. Claudia and Andrade were seen as having more of a chance. You're gonna have to link me to that **** lol. Whether it be a thread you read or a podcast you listened to.

The betting lines also aren't always too far away from what "hardcore" fans think anymore. It depends on the fighters' popularity. Joanna isn't really known that well by casual fans. The Ngannou/Stipe line is an example of where the betting line was heavily effected by hype. Rose was 6-3 going into that fight with Joanna.

[Nugget7211]

Quote: Originally Posted by Serengeti95

I agree the ground game was a threat but we've seen Joanna fight stronger grapplers/better wrestlers who were unable to keep her down. Definitely don't agree that even hardcore fans thought Rose was the toughest fight at all. Claudia and Andrade were seen as having more of a chance. You're gonna have to link me to that **** lol. Whether it be a thread you read or a podcast you listened to. The betting lines also aren't always too far away from what "hardcore" fans think anymore. It depends on the fighters' popularity. Joanna isn't really known that well by casual fans. The Ngannou/Stipe line is an example of where the betting line was heavily effected by hype. Rose was 6-3 going into that fight with Joanna.

Let's be fair, she was 7-3