How is outside fighting considered OP?

[FCB x Finlay]

Aholbert made a great post regarding this in another thread.

Hmm....I've been having this discussion with Zombie, Kenetic and others for months now. A segment of the GCs claim that outside fighting is OP. A segment (including me) claim that it isnt op at all and needs a buff.

While we havent come to a complete agreement yet, we did determine that what some consider outside fighting isnt actually outside fighting.

When I mention outside fighting, I mean a fighter who is constantly at kick or step kick range and refuses to engage at punch range no matter what.

When others mention outside fighting, they typically mean someone who occasionally engages a fight at punch range and tends to go in and out. They usually use back dashes/lunges to create space.

I've never seen someone fight outside (under my definition) in UFC 3. Never. Even the examples my colleagues have shown me are people who are consistently engaging at punch range but who regularly fight off of their back foot.

So when you say its "OP" what do you mean exactly?

From someone who tries to fight realistically am not too sure how outside fighting is in any way OP, id like to see why you guys think why.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Honestly the majority dont seem to understand what outside fighting is.

They’re confusing counter fighting with outside fighting. Outside fighting is pretty much impossible in this game due to magnetic striking

[Zeta Reticulan1]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Aholbert is right. Buff outside fighting. It's impossible to even be effective at kick or step kick range, let alone stay there.

[kush land]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Haven't you guys used advanced back lunge NOTHING CAN HIT YOU ITS SO OP same with back sway its so OP same with movement like seriously they actually have strikes moving backwards its impossible to hit people LOL

[Nugget7211]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Does aholbert mean "refuses to engage at punch range no matter what" literally? As in never punching? Because I'm not sure that should be possible. And I would consider Aldo x Edgar 2 to be a masterclass in outfighting with almost no kicks (I think literally 3 all fight)

[Morgan Monkman]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Lol. this game is going to be so messed up.

[FCB x Finlay]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Haven't you guys used advanced back lunge NOTHING CAN HIT YOU ITS SO OP same with back sway its so OP same with movement like seriously they actually have strikes moving backwards its impossible to hit people LOL

Sorry thats wrong, punches seem to track the lunge, see martialminds thread which shows this. Uppercuts slide into range so you have to use multiple. Anyone can hold forward throw combos and not let you escape pressure. I have video evidence of the opposite of what you say.

[FCB x Finlay]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Does aholbert mean "refuses to engage at punch range no matter what" literally? As in never punching? Because I'm not sure that should be possible. And I would consider Aldo x Edgar 2 to be a masterclass in outfighting with almost no kicks (I think literally 3 all fight)

Punch range is a distance, like boxing range. Outside fighters stay on the outside of that so they can kick etc. They dont like fighting in there, its not that they dont punch its that thats not where they are the most effective. Wonderboy is an example

[xtremeba1000]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Sorry thats wrong, punches seem to track the lunge, see martialminds thread which shows this. Uppercuts slide into range so you have to use multiple. Anyone can hold forward throw combos and not let you escape pressure. I have video evidence of the opposite of what you say.

I'm pretty sure he is trolling

[kush land]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Sorry thats wrong, punches seem to track the lunge, see martialminds thread which shows this. Uppercuts slide into range so you have to use multiple. Anyone can hold forward throw combos and not let you escape pressure. I have video evidence of the opposite of what you say.

LOL i was joking i have a feeling this was the last update i get there gonna nerf the **** of outside fighting

[Zeta Reticulan1]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Sorry thats wrong, punches seem to track the lunge, see martialminds thread which shows this. Uppercuts slide into range so you have to use multiple. Anyone can hold forward throw combos and not let you escape pressure. I have video evidence of the opposite of what you say.

I'm assuming he's being sarcastic, because he was being sarcastic in another thread about the same exact thing.

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

This video is NOT an example of outside fighting against someone who only comes forward. This is to serve as two things. 1. Proof that outside fighting can be done against people who DON'T only pressure forward (this is to silence any claims that it doesn't work in any situation). 2. Give some small example of what techniques you should be doing and how to move while outfighting.

This guy I'm up against is not the greatest player ever, but he provides a decent example. I'm JDS (with a 3in reach disadvantage).

https://streamable.com/u9yzj

Note that I believe wholeheartedly that you can do this against a pressure fighter. People will even get so frustrated THEY will move to the opposite of the cage and refuse to come forward out of anger. I will work on providing an example in the meantime.

[Nugget7211]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Punch range is a distance, like boxing range. Outside fighters stay on the outside of that so they can kick etc. They dont like fighting in there, its not that they dont punch its that thats not where they are the most effective. Wonderboy is an example

Okay, so do you not think Aldo was outfighting against Edgar because he was primarily punching? I'm just trying to figure out what people mean by outfighting or outside fighting, do you just mean striking from a consistently long range?

[kush land]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Not chest to chest is outside fighting in this game

[WarMMA]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Honestly the majority dont seem to understand what outside fighting is.

They’re confusing counter fighting with outside fighting. Outside fighting is pretty much impossible in this game due to magnetic striking

This. If anything, inside fighting is OP. Players can just rush you down all day in this game. I honestly would like to know which GC's think this. The game has really just started to get some tools to help outside fighting.