How is outside fighting considered OP?

[kush land]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Well a back lunge itself shouldnt avoid a forward 1-2 since you’re retreating on a straight line.

I believe a major sway+ lunge will.

Either way you’d want side lunges/sways for straight. Back sway for everything else

Are u saying i can lunge and sway at the sametime?

or ru suggesting i lunge and then time a major sway out of the lunge?

2nd one is just to much 4 me lol

[Phillyboi207]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Are u saying i can lunge and sway at the sametime?

or ru suggesting i lunge and then time a major sway out of the lunge?

2nd one is just to much 4 me lol

You’d have to back lunge the initial strike. But honestly after testing you’re better off going to the side afterward.


Reserve back sways for hooks+uppers. Side for straights.

[bmlimo]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

I'll explain it how I explained it to the GCs and the devs this weekend:

In a perfect world, I want to be able to use movement alone (depending on the fighters footwork rating) to avoid someone creating pressure but moving forward. I'm not saying I should never have to strike. I'm saying that I shouldnt be able to have to strike to simply avoid basic/simple straight line pressure.

What I found was that everyone who said "outside fighting is possible" really meant its possible if you strike inside and force them to give you space. Thats true but its not what I'm talking about.

What I want is multiple options. Against basic straight line aggressive pressure, I should be able to use striking or movement alone (if timed right) to avoid it and reset.

To counter that, I would also like the devs to add some tools that let people choose to cut off the cage intelligently.

So much this... the fighters footwork is the same... I don’t know why those guys think its normal... whats the point to use Gustafsson, wonderboy and Lyoto if their main weapon is ignored...

[bmlimo]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

You’d have to back lunge the initial strike. But honestly after testing you’re better off going to the side afterward.


Reserve back sways for hooks+uppers. Side for straights.

And for overhands? After the patch I think it’s overpower... if u block u lose regen speed and it bleeds, if u sway to the wrong side u will recieve the strike... if u duck u can easilly recieve a goodnight doubleupper

[Phillyboi207]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

And for overhands? After the patch I think it’s overpower... if u block u lose regen speed and it bleeds, if u sway to the wrong side u will recieve the strike... if u duck u can easilly recieve a goodnight doubleupper

Block minor sway or you can catch them with jabs if they keep loading up for the same side.

Or duck and immediately sway back so you dodge the follow up if they’re comboing

[GeneratedName3542]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Slipping towards the overhand, back lunges, and back sways from the correct range all work against the overhand

[ZHunter1990]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

You arent going to maintain distance unless your opponent allows you to. This is what Solid meant.

Lets say I want to fight off my back foot, or outfight. But my opponent is aggressive and wants to get in my face. I have the tools necessary to easily dispose of him given to me by the fact that I am the one backpedalling and he is the one aggressing. Mechanics say he is at a disadvantage, and he is.

But if he wants to get in my face, and get beat up, I cant stop him from doing that. This is a video game, there is no inherent risk, you wont force people away from you or to respect you. Some people will be in your face until you kill them. Because at worst, they suffer a virtual loss, s3nd you a nasty message and move on.

However, if you are fighting an intellegent player whose skill level is similar to your own, and you come out aggressive, you will quickly realize that you have to slow down and be more methodical if you want a safer route to victory. Because again, mechanically the aggressor is at a disadvantage.

So then the argument boils down to whether or not you should have to earn your opponents respect with strikes to keep him off you(if he is intellegent and cares about losing)

I think that should be left as is, its up to you to make your oppinent respect your strikes and keep distance. Others dont. They think other avenues of creating space without striking is needed. I largely disagree with this because not only would it buff outside fighting, it would buff straight up running. Land a jab leg kick and coast the roynd with a fighter with good footwork. Where is the skill in that?

[aholbert32]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

You arent going to maintain distance unless your opponent allows you to. This is what Solid meant.

Lets say I want to fight off my back foot, or outfight. But my opponent is aggressive and wants to get in my face. I have the tools necessary to easily dispose of him given to me by the fact that I am the one backpedalling and he is the one aggressing. Mechanics say he is at a disadvantage, and he is.

But if he wants to get in my face, and get beat up, I cant stop him from doing that. This is a video game, there is no inherent risk, you wont force people away from you or to respect you. Some people will be in your face until you kill them. Because at worst, they suffer a virtual loss, s3nd you a nasty message and move on.

However, if you are fighting an intellegent player whose skill level is similar to your own, and you come out aggressive, you will quickly realize that you have to slow down and be more methodical if you want a safer route to victory. Because again, mechanically the aggressor is at a disadvantage.

So then the argument boils down to whether or not you should have to earn your opponents respect with strikes to keep him off you(if he is intellegent and cares about losing)

I think that should be left as is, its up to you to make your oppinent respect your strikes and keep distance. Others dont. They think other avenues of creating space without striking is needed. I largely disagree with this because not only would it buff outside fighting, it would buff straight up running. Land a jab leg kick and coast the roynd with a fighter with good footwork. Where is the skill in that?

Thats why there needs to be tools added that allow you to cut off the cage. Its that simple.

I'm 100% behind GPD doing both of them at the same time but I think its awfully basic, linear and unrealistic to continue to limit movement on a game just because its not as fun as an action fight.

To be honest after you see back to back to back to back high action 120 strike per round high level fights, that starts to get boring and repetitive too.

[ungorborongo]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

You arent going to maintain distance unless your opponent allows you to. This is what Solid meant.

Lets say I want to fight off my back foot, or outfight. But my opponent is aggressive and wants to get in my face. I have the tools necessary to easily dispose of him given to me by the fact that I am the one backpedalling and he is the one aggressing. Mechanics say he is at a disadvantage, and he is.

But if he wants to get in my face, and get beat up, I cant stop him from doing that. This is a video game, there is no inherent risk, you wont force people away from you or to respect you. Some people will be in your face until you kill them. Because at worst, they suffer a virtual loss, s3nd you a nasty message and move on.

However, if you are fighting an intellegent player whose skill level is similar to your own, and you come out aggressive, you will quickly realize that you have to slow down and be more methodical if you want a safer route to victory. Because again, mechanically the aggressor is at a disadvantage.

So then the argument boils down to whether or not you should have to earn your opponents respect with strikes to keep him off you(if he is intellegent and cares about losing)

I think that should be left as is, its up to you to make your oppinent respect your strikes and keep distance. Others dont. They think other avenues of creating space without striking is needed. I largely disagree with this because not only would it buff outside fighting, it would buff straight up running. Land a jab leg kick and coast the roynd with a fighter with good footwork. Where is the skill in that?

these all sound like excuses to me about why the game isn't realistic

Lots of amazing fighters have styles like that, by the way. You might find it boring but their fans, who are just as important as casuals, will also like to emulate that.

I'd love to emulate a GNP heavy ground game. But its literally impossible in this game. Same thing with stand up. I'd love to play that outside game where I'm point fighting. Hate on it all you want, but there isn't much skill in most of the swangin and bangin going on online as it is.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

You arent going to maintain distance unless your opponent allows you to. This is what Solid meant.

So then the argument boils down to whether or not you should have to earn your opponents respect with strikes to keep him off you(if he is intellegent and cares about losing)

I think that should be left as is, its up to you to make your oppinent respect your strikes and keep distance. Others dont. They think other avenues of creating space without striking is needed. I largely disagree with this because not only would it buff outside fighting, it would buff straight up running. Land a jab leg kick and coast the roynd with a fighter with good footwork. Where is the skill in that?

If the tracking is fixed and you can cut off the cage properly that wouldnt be an issue. The difference is it would take skill to close the distance vs just holding forward.

Plus the judging does not favor “running”.

If real life fighters cant just stay in your face at will. Cutting off the cage is an essential skill that’s being removed in favor of a more arcadey action packed style. I just want all areas of MMA to flourish and the game right now does a disservice to the style of Stephen Thompson or Frankie Edgar.

You guys should want more balance so the meta isnt just about using the same fighters the same way.

[ZHunter1990]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Thats why there needs to be tools added that allow you to cut off the cage. Its that simple.

I'm 100% behind GPD doing both of them at the same time but I think its awfully basic, linear and unrealistic to continue to limit movement on a game just because its not as fun as an action fight.

To be honest after you see back to back to back to back high action 120 strike per round high level fights, that starts to get boring and repetitive too.

Im all for better tools to cut off the cage and a buff to distance management at the same time, and balanced well.

As for the 120 strikes per round. We dont have nuances like hand fighting, seemless transitions in and out of the clinch, feints that dont count as strikes..etc

Would you prefer to just move around to fill all these voids?

[ZHunter1990]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

these all sound like excuses to me about why the game isn't realistic

Lots of amazing fighters have styles like that, by the way. You might find it boring but their fans, who are just as important as casuals, will also like to emulate that.

I'd love to emulate a GNP heavy ground game. But its literally impossible in this game. Same thing with stand up. I'd love to play that outside game where I'm point fighting. Hate on it all you want, but there isn't much skill in most of the swangin and bangin going on online as it is.

I disagree, skill shines in activity in most video games. Making the correct reads, precise timing in a short window of opportunity, capitializing on your opponents mistakes. Its all there more/less. The only "skill" a heavier point fighting meta would produce is patience for ridiculous playstyles.

Dont get me wrong, I want a realistic game to a point. However I dont want a UFC simulator, where Damien Maia can sit on my back for 5 minutes at a time, or a nike running simulator.

[Zeta Reticulan1]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Im all for better tools to cut off the cage and a buff to distance management at the same time, and balanced well.

As for the 120 strikes per round. We dont have nuances like hand fighting, seemless transitions in and out of the clinch, feints that dont count as strikes..etc

Would you prefer to just move around to fill all these voids?

I wouldn’t call footwork “just moving around”. It’s probably the most skillful and vital part of striking. So it should definitely take priority over those other MUCH smaller issues. Some of you guys obviously don’t fully understand how much skill is involved with footwork and the central role that it plays in striking.

[ZHunter1990]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

If the tracking is fixed and you can cut off the cage properly that wouldnt be an issue. The difference is it would take skill to close the distance vs just holding forward.

Plus the judging does not favor “running”.

If real life fighters cant just stay in your face at will. Cutting off the cage is an essential skill that’s being removed in favor of a more arcadey action packed style. I just want all areas of MMA to flourish and the game right now does a disservice to the style of Stephen Thompson or Frankie Edgar.

You guys should want more balance so the meta isnt just about using the same fighters the same way.

Real fighters can stay in your face all they want unless you give them a reason not to. If you were thrown in the cage with Rumble, he'd stalk you down, and pummel you to a pulp, right? Unless you gave him a good check to make him respect you, in which case he may back off.

Again, this is game, people are not worried about CTE or getting KOd and losing out on money, or a bigger career. They receieve a virtual L and move in. If people want to be in your face and be punching bags, let them.

[ungorborongo]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

I disagree, skill shines in activity in most video games. Making the correct reads, precise timing in a short window of opportunity, capitializing on your opponents mistakes. Its all there more/less. The only "skill" a heavier point fighting meta would produce is patience for ridiculous playstyles.

Dont get me wrong, I want a realistic game to a point. However I dont want a UFC simulator, where Damien Maia can sit on my back for 5 minutes at a time, or a nike running simulator.

It really shocks me to hear a gamechanger saying this to be honest.

The ability to actually play a "nike running simulator" (which is incredibly disrespectful to extremely skilled fighters by the way) would lead to a diverse meta. Part of the reason people who fight outside on the move are effective is because they can still blitz at any moment. That doesn't exist right now.

Same thing for demaian maia being able to "sit on your back for 5 minutes". Eventually he'll either grind you out, or he can make a huge move after you've become complacent and go for the finish.

That's how REAL fighting is often times. it's pretty rare that fights are as action packed as this game. It's a gigantic part of the strategy.