How is outside fighting considered OP?

[FCB x Finlay]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

From what I'm seeing so far in this discussion is everyone has a differing opinion on what outside fighting is. So far i have posted mine, we have Phillyboy's and monkeys.

Just to put this out there i dont believe im a good fighter. Im average at best. I maintained a positive record on ranked in season 1.

[kush land]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

The advanced back lunge has definitely changed

It cost less stamina then before?

It actually does realistic damage if you hit them at the right distance ive gotten alot more rocks and KO's from it.

Solid could very well be right we just expect it to be easier

I personally came to the conclusion im not as good as i think i am lol

Headmovement is deadly if you spam ive seen people using headmovement very effectively when im being predictable lately.

Games changing everyday skill wise?

[FCB x Finlay]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Yh outside fighting is definitely possible. The thing is to be a good outside fighter you have to know how to fight in and escape the pocket too. You can't stay on the outside forever and your opponent will eventually get close to you. It's up to you to get him off and get back to your desired range. The game has offered us a bit more tools now to help outside fighting be more effective with jab/straights on block creating a bit of space and the quick retreat. It's up to the player to be effective with what's given.

What is given? Do you mean added breakdown vs block for jabs and straights as that helps both parties. Other than that what else do we have to keep ourselves at range.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Fighting off the back foot is extremely effective and mechanically, anyone doing so has a big advantage.

I dont think this is the issue.

Counter striking is extremely effective in this game. That applies to moving backwards or being inside.

We’re talking about being able to maintain distance. Not 100% of the time of course. But If back lunge I want to create space not have my opponent magically slide to stay in striking range.

If I side lunge I want to create space not just circle around my opponent directly in front of them.

Closing distance is supposed to be about cutting angles not walking forward.

I realize the issues are the lunges and the way tracking in general works.

But I’ll make it clear on my mind that I think fighting off the back foot is certainly possible. But im referring to tools that can create space.

Maybe the retreat tool will be the answer once the stamina is adjusted.

[kush land]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

From what I'm seeing so far in this discussion is everyone has a differing opinion on what outside fighting is. So far i have posted mine, we have Phillyboy's and monkeys.

I just dont want to be stuck in a phone booth and SOMETIMES it feels like that?

[Phillyboi207]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Here’s the best example I can probably show

https://www.mma-core.com/videos/John...art_2/10121529

The only time Hendricks closes distance fully is when he cuts off the cage. Otherwise everytime he comes forward or even feints forward Thompson hops back and maintains kicking range.

You could do that in UFC 2. In UFC 3 Hendricks would’ve magically slid forward as Thompson hopped back and would’ve gotten inside the pocket.

[FCB x Finlay]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNli53joeto

The gustaffson moves away from DC when against the cage. He constantly uses what looks like the new movement to cirlce and not move straight back.

[WarMMA]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

What is given? Do you mean added breakdown vs block for jabs and straights as that helps both parties. Other than that what else do we have to keep ourselves at range.

Improved head movement, jab/straight against forward moving block creates a bit of space and the quick retreat. Those are all things they added post launch.

[aholbert32]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

I'll explain it how I explained it to the GCs and the devs this weekend:

In a perfect world, I want to be able to use movement alone (depending on the fighters footwork rating) to avoid someone creating pressure but moving forward. I'm not saying I should never have to strike. I'm saying that I shouldnt be able to have to strike to simply avoid basic/simple straight line pressure.

What I found was that everyone who said "outside fighting is possible" really meant its possible if you strike inside and force them to give you space. Thats true but its not what I'm talking about.

What I want is multiple options. Against basic straight line aggressive pressure, I should be able to use striking or movement alone (if timed right) to avoid it and reset.

To counter that, I would also like the devs to add some tools that let people choose to cut off the cage intelligently.

[FCB x Finlay]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

I'll explain it how I explained it to the GCs and the devs this weekend:

In a perfect world, I want to be able to use movement alone (depending on the fighters footwork rating) to avoid someone creating pressure but moving forward. I'm not saying I should never have to strike. I'm saying that I shouldnt be able to have to strike to simply avoid basic/simple straight line pressure.

What I found was that everyone who said "outside fighting is possible" really meant its possible if you strike inside and force them to give you space. Thats true but its not what I'm talking about.

What I want is multiple options. Against basic straight line aggressive pressure, I should be able to use striking or movement alone (if timed right) to avoid it and reset.

To counter that, I would also like the devs to add some tools that let people choose to cut off the cage intelligently.

I know we disagree a lot but thank you. This is perfect.

[FCB x Finlay]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Improved head movement, jab/straight against forward moving block creates a bit of space and the quick retreat. Those are all things they added post launch.

Again improved head movement is for both parties, so is the jab straight, and the quick retreat is unuseable at the moment due to its stamina

[aholbert32]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

You guys are getting a little taste of the friendly back and forth that I've been having with the GCs for well over a month about movement.

I appreciate the examples that FCB and Philly provided because I want to make it clear. I'm not talking about simply fighting off of your back foot. I'm not talking about striking to get space. I'm talking about multiple options to avoid mindless aggressive pressure.

[FCB x Finlay]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Aholberts made a good point there, lets keep this friendly. I know im s*hite yous dont need to tell me that.

[kush land]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

I just played someone that just threw lunging 1-2s the 2 hit me every single time i advanced lunge EVERY SINGLE TIME.I Was doing the lunge before hes jab was even close to hitting me.

So i tryed the minor sway to lead leg side and throw a 2 it worked then he started spamming jab leg kick.


Then he shoot on me lol and i destroy him on the ground with no effort at all.

The point is

1.Advanced lunge doesn't all ways work no matter the distance he just slides forward and hits u.

2.It takes very little skill to take advantage of the lunging strikes.

3.It takes way too much skill to be defensive

i was connor he was edgar and hes 1-2s are gonna hit connor when he lunges back plus the 4inch reach seriously

[Phillyboi207]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Well a back lunge itself shouldnt avoid a forward 1-2 since you’re retreating on a straight line.

I believe a major sway+ lunge will.

Either way you’d want side lunges/sways for straight. Back sway for everything else