MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[AC]

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If Drew is on a one year deal and it's the trade deadline or August (waiver trade deadline), he's fine to be traded. If he was signed to a multi year deal or if it's below late July, it's unrealistic.

Also, the Marlins aren't a good example. They're very smart, but not exactly the kind of org you want to run.

[dpower15]

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If Drew is on a one year deal and it's the trade deadline or August (waiver trade deadline), he's fine to be traded. If he was signed to a multi year deal or if it's below late July, it's unrealistic.

Also, the Marlins aren't a good example. They're very smart, but not exactly the kind of org you want to run.

Fair enough. I'll keep Drew in mind for that Baltimore deal.


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[CameRoN0407]

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I'm not even 100% comfortable with Sanchez+ for Holland lol. How does a guy with a 5.59 BB/9 at AA at the age of 22 and a 4.15 SIERA have #2 potential? He's not even striking guys out. 7.63 K/9. I'm trying to move him while he still has perceived value before he totally tanks.

Guys with no control who rely on inducing weak contacts to suppress their BABIP - and, in turn, ERA - in the minors have a history of suckage, one would think.

His K-rate is like a heart rate monitor, but he has a prior history of great in him. He's sorta like a Ranaudo-esque kinda guy. Also guys don't need good K-rates, just take Lester for example. Besides 2012, he has been one of the most consistently great lefty's in the league, while maintaining an average 8.2 K/9. The BABIP/ERA correlation is correct though, but he still has time to correct his form before it's too late. He's only 22 and can be able to change his mechanics. But with the Blue Jays history of pitching prospects, you might be right.

Also, the Marlins aren't a good example. They're very smart, but not exactly the kind of org you want to run.

You and the Blue Jays learned that the hard way.

[Coper3000]

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You guys are way undervaluing Zobrist. Only player I'd take over Zobrist there is Davis. Abreu is unrealistic but I'd give Craig+ for Zobrist and Napoli is WAY less valuable than Zobrist.

Definitely not undervaluing Zobrist, as I really like him and the versatility he brings. I should have been more clear, as I am running a Rays Franchise and none of the players listed make sense, for either the Rays or the other teams involved.

Realistically, no one is obviously getting Jose Abreu, and Chris Davis won't be traded for a package centered around Ben Zobrist. Mike Napoli or Trevor Plouffe don't help the Rays (considering Napoli's contract, his position and Loney's contract + Plouffe's position). Cody Ross is Cody Ross. He's not even playing as a serviceable 4th OF. Allen Craig, I don't know. He has a nice team friendly contract, and if Zobrist stays at 2B then they are putting a lot of trust in Zobrist by not only trading Craig+, but by not allowing Wong to play (if they kept Ben at second).

[CameRoN0407]

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Definitely not undervaluing Zobrist, as I really like him and the versatility he brings. I should have been more clear, as I am running a Rays Franchise and none of the players listed make sense, for either the Rays or the other teams involved.

Realistically, no one is obviously getting Jose Abreu, and Chris Davis won't be traded for a package centered around Ben Zobrist. Mike Napoli or Trevor Plouffe don't help the Rays (considering Napoli's contract, his position and Loney's contract + Plouffe's position). Cody Ross is Cody Ross. He's not even playing as a serviceable 4th OF. Allen Craig, I don't know. He has a nice team friendly contract, and if Zobrist stays at 2B then they are putting a lot of trust in Zobrist by not only trading Craig+, but by not allowing Wong to play (if they kept Ben at second).

Chris Davis wouldn't be traded at all in 2014 because: A. He still has 1 more year of control, B. Just came off a 53 home run season, and C. is the O's Most Valuable Player.

The only thing bad about Napoli going to Tampa is the contract. It's bad enough for them not to get him. But if he was not making over $5m, he would be in Tampa, because don't forget, He can catch.

I would trade Allen Craig for Zobrist any day. Plus they have an OF jam with Holliday, Bourjos, Craig, Taveres, Jay. So trading an OFer is barely noticeable to them. Plus they get their Second baseman/Shortstop who can really give versatility.

[AC]

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His K-rate is like a heart rate monitor, but he has a prior history of great in him. He's sorta like a Ranaudo-esque kinda guy. Also guys don't need good K-rates, just take Lester for example. Besides 2012, he has been one of the most consistently great lefty's in the league, while maintaining an average 8.2 K/9.

Lester has had 3 straight years of sub-3 BB/9 and posted 2.98 that year. If Aaron Sanchez ever matches that in the major leagues I will give you $50. Dead serious.

Like, you can't really be comparing a lefty with minimal injury history, good mechanics, and a 2.55 K/BB in the majors to a righty with an injury history, terrible mechanics and a K/BB of 1.84 in the lower minors.

[CameRoN0407]

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Lester has had 3 straight years of sub-3 BB/9 and posted 2.98 that year. If Aaron Sanchez ever matches that in the major leagues I will give you $50. Dead serious.

Like, you can't really be comparing a lefty with minimal injury history, good mechanics, and a 2.55 K/BB in the majors to a righty with an injury history, terrible mechanics and a K/BB of 1.84 in the lower minors.

In no way was I saying Sanchez will be anywhere near as good, or is as good as Lester is. He is a T10 lefty, Sanchez is a prospect. I was just saying that pitchers don't need to have great K/9 to be good.

[Lewisf33]

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as the cubs looking to trade top prospect for another prospect. looking to tarde almora olt or villanueva for a LHP spec. any ides where and whom??

[AC]

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In no way was I saying Sanchez will be anywhere near as good, or is as good as Lester is. He is a T10 lefty, Sanchez is a prospect. I was just saying that pitchers don't need to have great K/9 to be good.

When they walk 5.59 batters per nine, they do.

[k_mac]

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as the cubs looking to trade top prospect for another prospect. looking to tarde almora olt or villanueva for a LHP spec. any ides where and whom??

Prospect swaps are hard to rate, because they rarely happen. You're looking in the right direction with those guys listed though, but none of them are a top prospect.

Almora + Villanueva could probably net you someone like Henry Owens from the Red Sox

Jesse Biddle, Julio Urias, Eduardo Rodriguez, Andrew Heaney and Max Fried are all good lefty prospects off the top of my head. Pretty much all of those guys are well liked by their teams, and you'd have to blow them away to realistically get any of them, maybe minus Rodriguez (I don't think the O's love him as much as Bundy/Gausman). Good lefties are hard to come by.

[turty11]

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alright fellas, i need to get bryce harper and kris bryant onto boston. tell me how! (everyone is available but id like to keep bogarts/papi/pedroia if possible)

[Lewisf33]

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Prospect swaps are hard to rate, because they rarely happen. You're looking in the right direction with those guys listed though, but none of them are a top prospect.

Almora + Villanueva could probably net you someone like Henry Owens from the Red Sox

Jesse Biddle, Julio Urias, Eduardo Rodriguez, Andrew Heaney and Max Fried are all good lefty prospects off the top of my head. Pretty much all of those guys are well liked by their teams, and you'd have to blow them away to realistically get any of them, maybe minus Rodriguez (I don't think the O's love him as much as Bundy/Gausman). Good lefties are hard to come by.

thanks for your input - thats what i was thinking too. every team that has one doesnt need OF prospect and they tend to hold on to them. was trying to find a team that just happened to be loaded at pitching and needed some hitters. maybce i can just over pay for owens

[RyanMan82]

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I was looking at Plouffe and Ross because I needed some more help against lefties towards the bottom of my batting order, and I don't think I could resign Price and Zobrist with the rays budget. Obviously neither is a game changer, but both DeJesus and Joyce aren't great with lefties. I ended up moving Zobrist for Rosiaro and a couple prospects, while moving Hanigan for Marlon Byrd. Now I'm just trying to move DeJesus for a serviceable 2B. I think Hanigan for Byrd is a steal if you can find a solid catcher to tandem with Molina (I know he's old but he works for me). But Jennings, Myers, Longoria, Rosario, and Byrd is quite the lineup against LHP.

[turty11]

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No chance of getting either without Bogaerts involved.

throw me some trade scenarios then, i will trade anyone i HAVE to.

would a bryant for bogy swap be feasable? gotta have my local kids playing for me!

[k_mac]

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thanks for your input - thats what i was thinking too. every team that has one doesnt need OF prospect and they tend to hold on to them. was trying to find a team that just happened to be loaded at pitching and needed some hitters. maybce i can just over pay for owens

You'd probably be better off going for a younger pitcher who is already in the majors.

I really like Mike Minor from the Braves. He's only 26, has had some major league success, and he's cheap.

Villanueva + Maples/Amaya should be enough, according to the spreadsheet

another option could be Alcantara + Szczur/Beeler