MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[DJeterFan2]

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Not really a flamethrower, but Antonio Bastardo in Philly is a pretty good lefty option. Normally sits around 91-93 with a very nice slider. They'd give him up if you went after him and they were out of it.

Would any combo of these guys get it done do you think? They're not in contention at the moment.

SP Jason Hammel
C Austin Romine
C Francisco Cervelli
SS Didi Gregorius
OF Mason Williams
RP Pedro Strop
SS Brendan Ryan

[Jakesparrow1008]

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There's less than no reason for the White Sox to do that unless they got Alex Wood back

You guys know Hawkins is hitting .260/.340/.500 right now right? 129 wRC+? After being taken 11th overall? Why on earth would they deal that for Jacob DeGrom?

Because Hawkins isn't hitting .260/.340/.500 in my franchise? I get that Hawkins was a top pick a few years ago, but if we agree that they're looking for MLB ready assets (I.e. deGrom), why not give away Hawkins, who's struggled for most of his career, for exactly that plus another piece?

[AC]

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Because deGrom isn't hitting .260/.340/.500 in my franchise? I get that Hawkins was a top pick a few years ago, but if we agree that they're looking for MLB ready assets (I.e. deGrom), why not give away Hawkins, who's struggled for most of his career, for exactly that plus another piece?

DeGrom is a reliever. Hawkins is a high ceiling position player.

It would take at least Alex Wood. You can do what you want, but DeGrom for Hawkins is unfair, period.

[Totte]

MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

DeGrom is a reliever. Hawkins is a high ceiling position player.

DeGrom has started 67 out of 67 games dating back to the Appalachian League in 2010 so I'd say his role is pretty defined.

As for Hawkins, the ceiling is there, I agree. Spoke to a Sox blogger during spring training about him and if he doesn't step up his game, that ceiling is gonna come in fast as another error in Kenny Williams' big book of busts.

[AC]

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DeGrom has started 67 out of 67 games dating back to the Appalachian League in 2010 so I'd say his role is pretty defined.

As for Hawkins, the ceiling is there, I agree. Spoke to a Sox blogger during spring training about him and if he doesn't step up his game, that ceiling is gonna come in fast as another error in Kenny Williams' big book of busts.

He's walking nearly 4 guys per 9 while not striking out the league average. xFIP 9% worse than league average. Giving up a 26% line drive rate. He's 26. His future lies in the bullpen.

Hawkins is crushing this year. He doesn't need to step up any more than he already has.

[Totte]

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He's walking nearly 4 guys per 9 while not striking out the league average. xFIP 9% worse than league average. Giving up a 26% line drive rate. He's 26. His future lies in the bullpen.



Hawkins is crushing this year. He doesn't need to step up any more than he already has.

I'm confident DeGrom will develop further and be a solid no 4-5. The future will tell.

Based on what he had produced up until this winter, he needed to start producing.

[AC]

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I'm confident DeGrom will develop further and be a solid no 4-5. The future will tell.

Based on what he had produced up until this winter, he needed to start producing.

He very much has.

Even if he turns into a 4-5, the White Sox would be better off packaging Hawkins for a better player and just signing a standard 4-5. Trading for back of the rotation guys is rarely worth it. That's how you end up with JA Happ. If they got a guy like Wood though, they'd be very happy.

[royals19]

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He very much has.

Even if he turns into a 4-5, the White Sox would be better off packaging Hawkins for a better player and just signing a standard 4-5. Trading for back of the rotation guys is rarely worth it. That's how you end up with JA Happ. If they got a guy like Wood though, they'd be very happy.

Yeah, I tend to agree with this. Hawkins struggled big time last season in advanced A ball but since then, he's changed his whole set-up and approach at the plate. His swing mechanics are night and day from what they were last season. Strikeouts are always going to be a part of his game because he's a power hitter but he's already walked more this year than he has last season.

The White Sox would be crazy to trade a resurgent Hawkins, who has a ceiling as an elite outfielder, for a marginal 4/5 type guy. DeGroom is OK but he's probably not a starter on first division team.

The White Sox have plenty of pitchers who can eat innings like DeGroom. What they really need are pitchers with good upside like Wood. The only possible way I see them trading Hawkins is if they get an impact arm in return... Unfortunately, DeGroom is not a high upside arm.

[AC]

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100% agree.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Alright so here are the trades I made with Houston:

HOU sends 1B/3B/COF Jesus Guzman
KC sends OF Bubba Starling

HOU sends C Jason Castro
TOR sends CF D.J. Davis, RP Tyler Ybarra*, and C Dioner Navarro
*AAA stats: 2.54 ERA 1.28 WHIP as a LHP in relief. He's 69 OVR & 25 yrs old

Guzman/Starling trade is decently fair, but might be overestimating decent stats on a replacement-level player like Guzman. Also you have to consider what would KC actually do with Guzman while having Hosmer, Butler, and Gordon already.

No feelings either way on the Toronto deal.

I couldn't just do deGrom+ for Hawkins?

Why so determined to get Courtney Hawkins? lol

I feel that it's not very realistic to deal for Hawkins granted that he was the Sox's 1st round pick last year.

I see the value of the Hawkins-deGrom thing as being pretty fair, however. deGrom is definitely not a reliever and has looked good in the 1-2 games I've seen him on national TV. Hawkins is still a looong way off.

Would any combo of these guys get it done do you think? They're not in contention at the moment.

SP Jason Hammel
C Austin Romine
C Francisco Cervelli
SS Didi Gregorius
OF Mason Williams
RP Pedro Strop
SS Brendan Ryan

Mason Williams would get you Bastardo if you really want a lefty reliever. If they're out of contention, Philly won't have any interest in the others.

[AC]

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Why so determined to get Courtney Hawkins? lol

I feel that it's not very realistic to deal for Hawkins granted that he was the Sox's 1st round pick last year.

In general, sure, but I think they'd deal him for Wood. Seems like a solid fit.

[bwoodring9]

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Would any combo of these guys get it done do you think? They're not in contention at the moment.

SP Jason Hammel
C Austin Romine
C Francisco Cervelli
SS Didi Gregorius
OF Mason Williams
RP Pedro Strop
SS Brendan Ryan

They'd want a young guy for him. So if you're willing to and Bastardo is playing well, I'd say Williams would do it.

[moth to a flame]

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I can't believe an organization's top ten prospect went for Jesus Guzman. Even if he is failing to live up to expectations.


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[AC]

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I can't believe an organization's top ten prospect went for Jesus Guzman. Even if he is failing to live up to expectations.


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Starling - playing badly
Guzman - on pace for 35 home runs

What's the issue here?

[moth to a flame]

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Starling - playing badly

Guzman - on pace for 35 home runs



What's the issue here?

Starling is a prospect. He's aloud to play badly. And like WTNY said, Guzman is a replacement player. 69 OVR D Pot. Those are a dime a dozen. HRs are irrelevant.


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