MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[Jr.]

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That's all well and good, but when does a team trade a guy they picked in last year's 1st round for someone who would become their 4th best reliever (at best) for half of a season?

As a point of reference the Tigers traded Danry Vasquez + David Paulino to HOU for Veras last year. Vasquez and Paulino were IFA's in 2010 (not even a draft pick) and Veras had better stats with HOU than he does in this chise where they chiser is trying so mightily to dump him for a blue chip catching prospect.

I didn't say anything about any of that, and I agreed that no team would trade a solid Catcher prospect for a league average RP. Not sure where you saw me disagree with anything that you're talking about where you have quoted me.

I was simply stating that people referring to real life happenings with a certain player (i.e. Veras would never be traded for anything because he lost his job in real life this year) aren't helping and are, in my mind, actually hindering the process by bringing in irrelevant information.

Gonna add this again from a previous post, as I realized that it has been pushed back to the bottom of the previous page:

I'm approaching the All-Star break in my Cubs franchise. I'm in year 2017, and below are Castro's stats since my first season:

Castro (88 OVR, B POT, if that matters) 26 years old (4th year of 6 year contract, $5.8M, $6.1M, $6.4M left)
2014: .265 14/65
2015: .284 10/57
2016: .241 15/64
2017: .240ish 9/43 in around 320 ABs

What would his value be at this point? He's still rated really well, but for some reason he just doesn't produce for me.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Loool it's not my spreadsheet. Reyes is plenty realistic, trust me. Going off of IRL stats.

I've been thinking of a 3 way deal. I send a team Reyes. That team takes on a bad contract from another team and acquires a prospect that they then flip to me for Reyes. So like I give the Brewers Reyes, they take on Carl Crawford's contract, and LAD gives me Seager. And I take on Weeks.

You had me up until the bold part. That AND paying Reyes is very un-Brewer like. Plus Segura...

[Deuce2223]

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You had me up until the bold part. That AND paying Reyes is very un-Brewer like. Plus Segura...

I assume Reyes was going to the Dodgers and Crawford was going to the Brewers in this deal and AC was taking on Weeks plus Seager

Maybe I read it wrong

[Gagnon39]

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Christian is a 3B

You can give them Veras for Karns, Toles, Snell, Shaffer, Unroe, someone like that

Ruggiano for Grandal makes sense for you and them

Jose Veras for Riley Unroe straight-up? Yet another shortstop prospect for me, but deal on that one.

Do you think that's a realistic deal?

[AC]

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Gotcha.

Well again the M's might be someone that could fit that area. They need OF help and Crawford would be a nice fit in their lineup at the top of the order but if you are targeting Seager from the Dodgers, but if you were taking back Mariner prospects in the deal you would probably have to settle for something like Franklin or Taylor/Marte along with someone like Paxton/Hultzen/Sanchez or maybe a young OF like A. Wilson, G. Guerrero or T. O'Nell (who is from canada)

For whatever it's worth, I like Kyle Seager an unhealthy amount.

Was I misunderstanding this one? To me it seems that you think it would be a bad move for me to trade Gleybers and Veras for Ciuffo. But I'd do that in a heartbeat.

This was in reference to the trade for Ciuffo.

It's unrealistic and not a good move for you. Also, not legal. So yeah. Go for Russ Martin, Jason Castro, Yasmani Grandal, John Jaso, Hank Conger, Carlos Corporan, Tyler Flowers, Blake Swihart/Christian Vasquez, Max Stassi, Tom Murphy, Andrew Susac, or Chance Cisco

My favorite options there are Grandal and Susac.

You had me up until the bold part. That AND paying Reyes is very un-Brewer like. Plus Segura...

That's why I'm taking Weeks back. So it'd be like taking on one bad contract rather than two. I saw where you're coming from. But that's just one example I had. I'd love to swing something with the Cubs, E-Jax, and a guy like Almora/Arismendy.

[AC]

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Jose Veras for Riley Unroe straight-up? Yet another shortstop prospect for me, but deal on that one.

Do you think that's a realistic deal?

I think you could nab another one of the prospects I listed that isn't Shaffer tbh.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I didn't say anything about any of that, and I agreed that no team would trade a solid Catcher prospect for a league average RP. Not sure where you saw me disagree with anything that you're talking about where you have quoted me.

I was simply stating that people referring to real life happenings with a certain player (i.e. Veras would never be traded for anything because he lost his job in real life this year) aren't helping and are, in my mind, actually hindering the process by bringing in irrelevant information.

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That's fine, but your post was timely and well-positioned to advance the "Veras is doing ok in my chise so I can get a really good prospect" line of argument that some of us were trying to squash. Regardless of your actual point, it coincided with that argument.

I would also disagree with your general premise. Even if 2014 real life stats aren't really part and parcel of a 2014 MLB The Show chise, the real life stats do inform us to how good a player actually/currently is. Lots of people even make roster updates to their roster set to include these new developments (players breaking out etc..) based on current season stats. If a guy hits 35-40 HRs who's never done it before (looking at you Bret Boone) then I feel that he should cost a little more in game as well. Just my opinion...there's really no "right" position on this topic.

As for your franchise question that keeps not getting answered, I can just say that people (at least me anyway...and by the lack of responses I'd assume others too) don't really like answering the 'sim chise' questions about 5-10 years in the future because many of our assumptions of value are likely to have changed. I think you could probably answer your own question with whatever depreciation that your feel is fair for aging/poor stats.

[Jr.]

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That's fine, but your post was timely and well-positioned to advance the "Veras is doing ok in my chise so I can get a really good prospect" line of argument that some of us were trying to squash. Regardless of your actual point, it coincided with that argument.

I would also disagree with your general premise. Even if 2014 real life stats aren't really part and parcel of a 2014 MLB The Show chise, the real life stats do inform us to how good a player actually/currently is. Lots of people even make roster updates to their roster set to include these new developments (players breaking out etc..) based on current season stats. If a guy hits 35-40 HRs who's never done it before (looking at you Bret Boone) then I feel that he should cost a little more in game as well. Just my opinion...there's really no "right" position on this topic.

As for your franchise question that keeps not getting answered, I can just say that people (at least me anyway...and by the lack of responses I'd assume others too) don't really like answering the 'sim chise' questions about 5-10 years in the future because many of our assumptions of value are likely to have changed. I think you could probably answer your own question with whatever depreciation that your feel is fair for aging/poor stats.

Fair enough, thanks

[Deuce2223]

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I was simply stating that people referring to real life happenings with a certain player (i.e. Veras would never be traded for anything because he lost his job in real life this year) aren't helping and are, in my mind, actually hindering the process by bringing in irrelevant information

Was looking to Hinder the process of the thread, but my point is that was what the spread sheet was created for. It's based off of real life stat's value. If a player is performing better in their said franchise, then up their value some.

Yes I said he lost his job but I also followed it up with that his value would still be a C type prospect based off his stats not a 1st Round Draft pick who is a B rated catcher (very rare on the game) I don't care if the RP was Street, Papelbon, ect.. TB isn't going to make that deal.

But then again we already agree on that one.

[AC]

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Too tired to really follow this but real life stats have no bearing unless specified by OP

Veras' performance in OP's chise is all that matters (And still not enough for Ciuffo)

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I assume Reyes was going to the Dodgers and Crawford was going to the Brewers in this deal and AC was taking on Weeks plus Seager

Maybe I read it wrong

I read it as Reyes and Crawford to Brewers.
Seager and Weeks to Blue Jays.

The only thing the Dodgers are getting is salary relief?? Which is, again, very un-Dodger-like.

That's why I'm taking Weeks back. So it'd be like taking on one bad contract rather than two. I saw where you're coming from. But that's just one example I had. I'd love to swing something with the Cubs, E-Jax, and a guy like Almora/Arismendy.

I couldn't really see the Cubs desperate enough to give you a prized prospect simply to take a modestly large contract from a team that's already running with a payroll far lower than it can support. I think you need to look at regular 2-teams deals or sweeten it with spects of your own--the salary-relief team just isn't getting anything of value.

[Gagnon39]

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I think you could nab another one of the prospects I listed that isn't Shaffer tbh.

Really? Unroe is a B potential, 18-year old shortstop. And you think it's realistic that I get another player on top of that for Veras? If so, that would definitely be something I'd do. The problem is I have to trade one more player or else the trade won't go through because I'm at 90 total players on the game.

And why would it not be legal to move Gleybers? And again, I'm the "general manager" of the Cubs so if I make a bone-head trade then that's on me. I just use this thread to try and prevent the CPU from doing it.

I don't mean to get stuck on Ciuffo but if Gleybers would be a player that would pull him away from Tampa Bay, I'd do it. Along with Veras.

But as for other options, I've long had my eye on Swihart in Boston. But I'm not wanting to part ways with Soler, which is what most people here say it would take. Boston is out of the playoff race and probably has no interest in a player like Veras right now.

[Deuce2223]

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For whatever it's worth, I like Kyle Seager an unhealthy amount.

As a M's fan I would be really sad if we dealt Seager. I like him alot too.

If you are looking for a young 3B prospect, P. Kivlehan (67/B) in my roster set and the M's #16 Best prospect could be someone to put in that earlier package of Franklin/Taylor/Marte + SP prospect or OF prospect with Reyes going to LAD and Crawford coming to Seattle. However I guess the M's could just bypass you and just deal for Crawford directly (really wish they would in real life)

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Too tired to really follow this but real life stats have no bearing unless specified by OP

Veras' performance in OP's chise is all that matters (And still not enough for Ciuffo)

Fair enough. I run a slightly different breed of chise so I am viewing it through that biased lens.

[Coper3000]

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Really? Unroe is a B potential, 18-year old shortstop. And you think it's realistic that I get another player on top of that for Veras? If so, that would definitely be something I'd do. The problem is I have to trade one more player or else the trade won't go through because I'm at 90 total players on the game.

And why would it not be legal to move Gleybers? And again, I'm the "general manager" of the Cubs so if I make a bone-head trade then that's on me. I just use this thread to try and prevent the CPU from doing it.

I don't mean to get stuck on Ciuffo but if Gleybers would be a player that would pull him away from Tampa Bay, I'd do it. Along with Veras.

But as for other options, I've long had my eye on Swihart in Boston. But I'm not wanting to part ways with Soler, which is what most people here say it would take. Boston is out of the playoff race and probably has no interest in a player like Veras right now.

If going for realism, shouldn't Jose Veras be on the Astros (assuming you are the Cubs, or acting on behalf of)? Or, that could just be my OCD talking as I have to always mimic real life moves, haha.

I couldn't see the Rays giving up Unroe for Veras - even if he's having a good season. Just re-browsing the Rays prospects, I'd probably be more inclined to deal someone like Luke Maile (C), or an arm like Victor Mateo, Merrill Kelly, or (maybe) Grayson Garvin for Jose Veras.

At least that's my opinion.