MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[AC]

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Anyone got ideas for a Jose Reyes trade?

[Gagnon39]

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Thoughts on this one...

Tampa Bay is currently 58-39 and has a 7.5 lead at the All-Star break over the second-place Toronto Blue Jays. They're definitely in playoff-push mode and they are in need of some relief pitching. Their highest-rated relief pitcher is Jake McGee (currently an 81). They also have Grant Balfour (78), and Joel Peralta (77), but after that things are quite bleak for their pen.

That's where I come in.

I've been trying to deal my closer Jose Veras (keep in mind it's not real life here and he doesn't suck like he did for the Cubs this year), for a while now and it seems the time is just about right.

Keep in mind Veras is a C potential, 33 years old and a 74 overall. So he'd become the fourth-best reliever (and a great setupman for Balfour) in Tampa Bay. Statistically his ERA isn't great at 4.04 but he does have 34 strikeouts over 35 2/3 innings pitched, along with 16 saves (and 3 blown saves).

My pitching has been phenomenal all year and most of the guys in my bullpen have had ridiculous years (I pitch on Hall of Fame for the record).

Hector Rondon (D potential and 65 overall) and Justin Grimm (C potential and 69 overall) have been absolutely lights-out for some reason. Rondon's ERA is 2.14 and Grimm's is 2.61. Carlos Villanueva is another guy (D potential and 68 overall) who's done well for me all year in all kinds of situations. Spot starts, relief, even a save or two. I'd be willing to move any number of these guys and here's what I'm looking to get in return, as many of you may already know.

From Tampa Bay I would want their catching prosepct in Nick Ciuffo (B potential and a 57 overall).

While I know that Veras for Ciuffo straight-up might not fit the spreadsheet as I'm trading an aging veteran for a B potential, and very young (19-years old) player, it does meet the needs of the Rays. They're relief pitching is terrible and they could benefit from a guy like Veras, I would think.

I'd be willing to possibly throw in Carlos Villanueva to sweeten the deal if necessary but I'm hoping that maybe Veras and possibly another prospect from my system somewhere can net me Ciuffo.

Any help is appreciated as always, I've been close to pulling the trigger on a deal for a while and I think I'm very close now.

[AC]

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They probably aren't gonna deal Ciuffo for a reliever

[Gagnon39]

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They probably aren't gonna deal Ciuffo for a reliever

Even given their situation? Two solid relievers? What else would it take?

[AC]

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Even given their situation? Two solid relievers? What else would it take?

It just doesn't seem like a realistic fit, dealing a first round catching prospect for reliever(s)

[Gagnon39]

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My farm has ridiculous depth at the middle-infield position. Baez, Russell, Alcantara, to name a few. I've got another shorstop named Gleyber Torres who is just 18-years old, a 61 overall, and has a B potential. If I dealt Veras and Gleyber for Ciuffo would that work? I'd have to have one more player from the Rays just because they'd have too many players on their roster if I didn't.

[Deuce2223]

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Thoughts on this one...

Tampa Bay is currently 58-39 and has a 7.5 lead at the All-Star break over the second-place Toronto Blue Jays. They're definitely in playoff-push mode and they are in need of some relief pitching. Their highest-rated relief pitcher is Jake McGee (currently an 81). They also have Grant Balfour (78), and Joel Peralta (77), but after that things are quite bleak for their pen.

That's where I come in.

I've been trying to deal my closer Jose Veras (keep in mind it's not real life here and he doesn't suck like he did for the Cubs this year), for a while now and it seems the time is just about right.

Keep in mind Veras is a C potential, 33 years old and a 74 overall. So he'd become the fourth-best reliever (and a great setupman for Balfour) in Tampa Bay. Statistically his ERA isn't great at 4.04 but he does have 34 strikeouts over 35 2/3 innings pitched, along with 16 saves (and 3 blown saves).

My pitching has been phenomenal all year and most of the guys in my bullpen have had ridiculous years (I pitch on Hall of Fame for the record).

Hector Rondon (D potential and 65 overall) and Justin Grimm (C potential and 69 overall) have been absolutely lights-out for some reason. Rondon's ERA is 2.14 and Grimm's is 2.61. Carlos Villanueva is another guy (D potential and 68 overall) who's done well for me all year in all kinds of situations. Spot starts, relief, even a save or two. I'd be willing to move any number of these guys and here's what I'm looking to get in return, as many of you may already know.

From Tampa Bay I would want their catching prosepct in Nick Ciuffo (B potential and a 57 overall).

While I know that Veras for Ciuffo straight-up might not fit the spreadsheet as I'm trading an aging veteran for a B potential, and very young (19-years old) player, it does meet the needs of the Rays. They're relief pitching is terrible and they could benefit from a guy like Veras, I would think.

I'd be willing to possibly throw in Carlos Villanueva to sweeten the deal if necessary but I'm hoping that maybe Veras and possibly another prospect from my system somewhere can net me Ciuffo.

Any help is appreciated as always, I've been close to pulling the trigger on a deal for a while and I think I'm very close now.

Teams don't trade young catchers they draft in the 1st round for a reliever who lost his job in real life. Just because he is putting up decent stats for you in your franchise you are completely over inflating his value. He is worth a C prospect at best a best and not a player drafted in the 1st round.

I know from reading several of your recent postings you are dead set on acquiring a young catcher, but have you just considered signing a veteran for a year and just draft your own in your next draft?

[AC]

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My farm has ridiculous depth at the middle-infield position. Baez, Russell, Alcantara, to name a few. I've got another shorstop named Gleyber Torres who is just 18-years old, a 61 overall, and has a B potential. If I dealt Veras and Gleyber for Ciuffo would that work? I'd have to have one more player from the Rays just because they'd have too many players on their roster if I didn't.

I take it you haven't read much about Gleyber. You'd be losing that by a lot, lol.

If you want a young catcher so badly you can go ahead and deal whoever is playing the best out of Ruggiano, Valbuena and Olt for Grandal

[Gagnon39]

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Teams don't trade young catchers they draft in the 1st round for a reliever who lost his job in real life. Just because he is putting up decent stats for you in your franchise you are completely over inflating his value. He is worth a C prospect at best a best and not a player drafted in the 1st round.

I know from reading several of your recent postings you are dead set on acquiring a young catcher, but have you just considered signing a veteran for a year and just draft your own in your next draft?

I hear you, and I guess you guys are right. That's why I post these here, I need to be told no I guess because the CPU is just plain dumb. But I am still dead-set, you're right.

And I tried to draft a catcher in the draft this year but there wasn't one. I've considered creating Kyle Schwarber but I just don't want to do that for some reason.

Tampa Bay still needs relief pitching for sure and I think that maybe we're discounting the fact that it is important, especially for a playoff-bound team. But you guys are probably right, in that they would not likely trade a first-round draft pick for a closer. For the record, I didn't know he was drafted in the first round.

But anyway, what else would it take? They need a reliever and I've got some prospects that match up on the spreadsheet. I'd definitely part with Torres or maybe even Christian (not Carlos) Villanueva. He's a 71 overall, a B potential catcher and just 22-years old.

[Gagnon39]

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I take it you haven't read much about Gleyber. You'd be losing that by a lot, lol.

If you want a young catcher so badly you can go ahead and deal whoever is playing the best out of Ruggiano, Valbuena and Olt for Grandal

Ruggiano has gone crazy this year. He's hit 13 home runs, has 35 RBIs, 11 doubles, with an average of .246. So he's undoubtedly played the best for me.

The crazy thing is, for me, I'm not out of the playoffs. I'm currently 46-49 and I'm still holding out hope that I might be able to sneak in somehow. If I tank the next 10 games here before the trade deadline, then I'll be selling anyone short of Castro, Rizzo, Baez, Bryant, Russell, or Almora.

[AC]

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Christian is a 3B

You can give them Veras for Karns, Toles, Snell, Shaffer, Unroe, someone like that

Ruggiano for Grandal makes sense for you and them

[Deuce2223]

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Anyone got ideas for a Jose Reyes trade?

Where are you at in your Franchise and what kind of stats is Reyes putting up? Based off your own spreadsheet it doesn't appear Reyes is a very realistic trade piece, but if so what teams need a upgrade at SS?

Obviously the Cards need a SS, the Yankees would need one next year as could the Dodgers, could he be dealt back to the Mets? For some reason I keep reading that the Met's can't really add payroll but that's hard to be believe from a NY team.

If the M's were competing and Miller and Franklin were both struggling, it's possible they would attempt to go after a veteran guy and Reyes would like nice hitting in front of Cano, because they have nobody to leadoff or steal bases.

As far as trade ideas are again it would come back to what point in the season is someone trading for him.

[Gagnon39]

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I take it you haven't read much about Gleyber. You'd be losing that by a lot, lol.

If you want a young catcher so badly you can go ahead and deal whoever is playing the best out of Ruggiano, Valbuena and Olt for Grandal

And I might have a different perspective or playing-style than some of you guys do because I definitely consider how players have performed statistically when considering these trades. I know Veras sucks in real life but that means nothing to me in this game. He's done well and has been really good over the past month for me. There's no doubt that a team would take him given the situation and that's what I'm looking to do. I've got some pitching I need to bring up and I need Veras out of the way. I can replace him. I'll probably put Blake Parker in the closer's role after Veras is gone and bring up Wada to take the final spot in the rotation.

So if Tampa Bay is looking for relief pitching, I agree that they would not had over Ciuffo straight-up for Veras, but if I threw in Gleybers, you think it's a go? I've not read up on him but I do know that the Cubs are chalk-full of middle-infielders and the chance of him playing over Baez, Russell, Alcantara, or Castro in the near-future is slim-to-none. That's my surplus, and that's what I'd be willing to let go. I'd like Ciuffo and another pitching prospect in return (nothing special pitching-wise).

[Gagnon39]

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Christian is a 3B

You can give them Veras for Karns, Toles, Snell, Shaffer, Unroe, someone like that

Ruggiano for Grandal makes sense for you and them

I know Villanueva is a third baseman, I'm saying I'd throw him in on top of Veras if that would net me Ciuffo.

So if you're Tampa Bay's general manager, what would it take to get Ciuffo? Give me an offer.

[Jr.]

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Teams don't trade young catchers they draft in the 1st round for a reliever who lost his job in real life. Just because he is putting up decent stats for you in your franchise you are completely over inflating his value. He is worth a C prospect at best a best and not a player drafted in the 1st round.

I know from reading several of your recent postings you are dead set on acquiring a young catcher, but have you just considered signing a veteran for a year and just draft your own in your next draft?

I agree that a team wouldn't trade a high ceiling catching prospect for a RP, but real life stats have nothing to do with it.

It doesn't matter one bit that Veras sucked in real life. He's pitching okay in Gagnon's MLB: The Show Franchise world... that's all that matters. His value is ONLY based on what is going on in his franchise, combined with what has happened in real life in previous years... not this year.

I've seen a few people talk about this, but what is going on in real life baseball in 2014 has no bearing on any of these trades, unless people are looking to start from the particular day they are posting, forward.

Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now and ask for some advice myself.

I'm approaching the All-Star break in my Cubs franchise. I'm in year 2017, and below are Castro's stats since my first season:

Castro (88 OVR, B POT, if that matters) 26 years old (4th year of 6 year contract, $5.8M, $6.1M, $6.4M left)
2014: .265 14/65
2015: .284 10/57
2016: .241 15/64
2017: .240ish 9/43 in around 320 ABs

What would his value be at this point? He's still rated really well, but for some reason he just doesn't produce for me.