MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[AC]

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If OP wants Baez that's what it comes down to

[CameRoN0407]

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Buxton + Meyer for Baez + Soler/Almora?

I think this is very unfair. Why would Minnesota trade 2/3 of their top prospects for 2 prospects that aren't anywhere near as good as Buxton/Meyer. Buxton is a top prospect, and potential 5 tool player. Baez is a pretty good hitter, but he has a K% that is just horrid and his defense isn't that great. The trade overall is just pointless.

[hampshirestags]

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I think this is very unfair. Why would Minnesota trade 2/3 of their top prospects for 2 prospects that aren't anywhere near as good as Buxton/Meyer. Buxton is a top prospect, and potential 5 tool player. Baez is a pretty good hitter, but he has a K% that is just horrid and his defense isn't that great. The trade overall is just pointless.

But you can't create prospects and then tell people they can't be traded. I traded Soler to the O's and am having a blast with him though he should still be in the minors.

It's like giving people money and telling them not to spend it. What fun is that?

[CameRoN0407]

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But you can't create prospects and then tell people they can't be traded. I traded Soler to the O's and am having a blast with him though he should still be in the minors.

It's like giving people money and telling them not to spend it. What fun is that?

Well if your realistic, you know you rarely ever see prospect for prospect deals. Especially for prospects of this caliber.

[AUcpa]

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Correa for Profar?

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Three team trade, I'm running the Yanks:

Yankees Get:
SS Javier Baez
3B Christian Villanueva
OF Avisail Garcia

Cubs Get:
SP Michael Pineda
C Gary Sanchez
OF Mason Williams
SP Luis Severino

White Sox Get:
OF Slade Heathcott
RP Dellin Betances
SP Jose Campos
C John Ryan Murphy

This is as good as a 3-way unrealistic trade between the Cubs-Yankees-White Sox is gonna get. That's pretty much all I'll say about it.

I think this is very unfair. Why would Minnesota trade 2/3 of their top prospects for 2 prospects that aren't anywhere near as good as Buxton/Meyer. Buxton is a top prospect, and potential 5 tool player. Baez is a pretty good hitter, but he has a K% that is just horrid and his defense isn't that great. The trade overall is just pointless.

lolwut? Baez is nowhere near as good as Buxton or Meyer?

You can debate it if you want, but any of the Baez, Soler, Buxton trio could all become stars. It's too hard to predict that right now. Buxton and Baez bring different skills and different risk tolerances (Buxton is injured and Baez is refining his approach), but to say Baez just isn't as good....I do not agree with that. Amongst the K% etc...you neglected to mention the 40-50 HR power ceiling on Baez, which kind of skews the debate back in favor of Baez. I'm not sure anyone sees more than 20-25 HRs out of Buxton (think Starlin Castro for power potential).

[AC]

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I think this is very unfair. Why would Minnesota trade 2/3 of their top prospects for 2 prospects that aren't anywhere near as good as Buxton/Meyer. Buxton is a top prospect, and potential 5 tool player. Baez is a pretty good hitter, but he has a K% that is just horrid and his defense isn't that great. The trade overall is just pointless.

"pretty good" lol ok

You can't do the whole 2/3 of their top prospects thing when you're comparing a top heavy farm system like MIN to a stacked one like CHC. Soler would be #2 in MIN's farm system and it's not really all that close. The difference between Soler and Meyer is probably greater than that of Buxton and Baez if OP's chise is anywhere near real life.

Baez is going to stick at an even more premium position than Buxton. Soler is a high quality OF prospect. Buxton is probably the #2-3 prospect in baseball, a couple spots above Baez. Incredible athlete. Injury concerns. Meyer is a pitching prospect. A pitching prospect. Walking 4+ guys at AAA. He's a nice prospect to have. Is he better than Jorge Soler? No, he's really not.

Realism doesn't matter here so shoving out that aspect, going from Buxton to Baez is a small enough downgrade that Meyer -> Soler almost makes it like they're ripping off the Cubs. But that's what'd be necessary for them to move Buxton, so, in essence, it's fair.

[Mikeyo918]

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Assuming you're just going for fair here with this deal? Prospect for prospect deals are rare and hard to put a value on.

Realistic would be Buxton in the deal ahead of Sano as there's no room at either 1B or 3B for Sano with the Cubbies. Realistic would also be not trading for Baez at all but that's another story

I'll let someone else chime in here as well but Sano and Willingham for Baez works out...sure. I'm assuming the Cubs are contending and have a need for Willingham?

Yes the Cubs are in contention, and both Junior Lake and Nate Schierholtz aren't doing so great. I'd figure I would trade Baez since the Cubs have Castro and Russell, and the Twins could use a future SS, with Eduardo Nunez playing the position now.

I like to keep the trades fairly similar to real life (ie. the A's getting Smarzdjia), but if a team is in need of a player I'll make those trades too.

[CameRoN0407]

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lolwut? Baez is nowhere near as good as Buxton or Meyer?

You can debate it if you want, but any of the Baez, Soler, Buxton trio could all become stars. It's too hard to predict that right now. Buxton and Baez bring different skills and different risk tolerances (Buxton is injured and Baez is refining his approach), but to say Baez just isn't as good....I do not agree with that. Amongst the K% etc...you neglected to mention the 40-50 HR power ceiling on Baez, which kind of skews the debate back in favor of Baez. I'm not sure anyone sees more than 20-25 HRs out of Buxton (think Starlin Castro for power potential).

Well I probably did get a little over-exaggerated by saying nowhere as good. But Buxton is a 5-tool prospect, which they happen to hold alot more value than the average prospect. Do you neglect his OBP as well? Sure he has power, but I like a guy that can get on base too.

"pretty good" lol ok

Except for his eye at the plate, and OBP, yea pretty good.

[AC]

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Well I probably did get a little over-exaggerated by saying nowhere as good. But Buxton is a 5-tool prospect, which they happen to hold alot more value than the average prospect. Do you neglect his OBP as well? Sure he has power, but I like a guy that can get on base too.

So the quality at which he gets on base doesn't matter? You seem to preach quality over quantity, why be different now? I'd take a .305/.470 over a .335/.395 OBP/SLG any day. wOBA. It's a thing.

Except for his eye at the plate, and OBP, yea pretty good.

Age PA wOBA wRC+
19 235 0.432 170
20 337 0.391 145
20 240 0.435 180
21 348 0.324 89

"pretty good" lol

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For Baez to be a league average bat, he needs a 90 wRC+ as a 21 year old in AAA. He's at 89. This is an off year for him. "Pretty good."

http://www.breakingblue.ca/2014/02/04/projecting-hitting-prospects-mlb-primes/

[CameRoN0407]

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So the quality at which he gets on base doesn't matter? You seem to preach quality over quantity, why be different now? I'd take a .305/.470 over a .335/.395 OBP/SLG any day. wOBA. It's a thing.



Age PA wOBA wRC+
19 235 0.432 170
20 337 0.391 145
20 240 0.435 180
21 348 0.324 89

"pretty good" lol

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For Baez to be a league average bat, he needs a 90 wRC+ as a 21 year old in AAA. He's at 89. This is an off year for him. "Pretty good."

http://www.breakingblue.ca/2014/02/0...ts-mlb-primes/

The quality at which who gets on base? Buxton? OBP is no worry, same with his wOBA. If you want to include wOBA, Baez's is at .324, which is pretty average. I'd rather have a Guy who can hit for average with a little pop, and doesn't strike out in 1/3 of his ABs, than a guy who hits for power, and that only gets on base at a league average, or below.. Sure Baez has shown he can put up wRC+ at 160-170, but so can Buxton.

Funny how his off-year is the one he gets a taste of everyday playing.

[AC]

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The quality at which who gets on base? Buxton? OBP is no worry, same with his wOBA. If you want to include wOBA, Baez's is at .324, which is pretty average. I'd rather have a Guy who can hit for average with a little pop, and doesn't strike out in 1/3 of his ABs, than a guy who hits for power, that can't get on base. Sure Baez has shown he can put up wRC+ at 160-170, but so can Buxton.

Funny how his off-year is the one he gets a taste of everyday playing.

Watch out guys, Byron Buxton is a true talent .400 BABIP.

PA BABIP wOBA wRC+
102 0.259 0.372 135
253 0.404 0.406 155

Which of those samples seems more reasonable? Oh right, both of them combined, with a slightly heavier weight to the sample with an average BABIP. So call him a mean 140 wRC+ player. Too bad that Baez far surpasses that. When you account defense, running and positional adjustment, we're just about even. And Soler > Meyer.

And we're talking about average years? How was Buxton when he wasn't injured this year? Oh yeah, rockin' that 78 wRC+.

Lol what are you implying? That Baez didn't start his games or something? You're grasping at straws. A lot.

[CameRoN0407]

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Watch out guys, Byron Buxton is a true talent .400 BABIP.

PA BABIP wOBA wRC+
102 0.259 0.372 135
253 0.404 0.406 155

Which of those samples seems more reasonable? Oh right, both of them combined, with a slightly heavier weight to the sample with an average BABIP. So call him a mean 140 wRC+ player. Too bad that Baez far surpasses that. When you account defense, running and positional adjustment, we're just about even. And Soler > Meyer.

And we're talking about average years? How was Buxton when he wasn't injured this year? Oh yeah, rockin' that 78 wRC+.

Lol what are you implying? That Baez didn't start his games or something? You're grasping at straws. A lot.

Surpasses? Baez has a .316 BABIP and killing it with a 89 wRC+ in 348 PA. Looking like a fairly average year according to BABIP.

Last time he had a BABIP that is sustainable, he had a 145 wRC+, .348 OBP, and .391 wOBA in 337 PA. So is his average year getting worse?

I'm not going to compare a pitching prospect to a hitting prospect.

Man, thru 48 PAs, complete bust Buxton is.

I'm stating that this is his first taste of how much a major leaguer plays, and he is struggling.

[AC]

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Surpasses? Baez has a .316 BABIP and killing it with a 89 wRC+ in 348 PA. Looking like a fairly average year according to BABIP.

I'm gonna assume you completely disregarded my addressing of this. He's hitting exactly as well as he needs to be.

Last time he had a BABIP that is sustainable, he had a 145 wRC+, .348 OBP, and .391 wOBA in 337 PA. So is his average year getting worse?

Lol, cleverly sneaking in the .391 wOBA. He had a 180 wRC+ on a sustainable BABIP. Something Buxton hasn't done.

I'm not going to compare a pitching prospect to a hitting prospect.

Nor should you, because TNSTAAPP. Proving my point.

Man, thru 48 PAs, complete bust Buxton is.

You entirely missed my point of how a small subset of averageness affects - or doesn't affect - a player's projection. I was even throwing you a bone there

I'm stating that this is his first taste of how much a major leaguer plays, and he is struggling.

He had 500 PA last year and hit for like a 160ish wRC+? WTF? You're gonna chide Baez's durability on the Buxton side of this? Between this and conveniently omitting the 180 wRC+ you're really stretching things

[CameRoN0407]

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I'm gonna assume you completely disregarded my addressing of this. He's hitting exactly as well as he needs to be.



Lol, cleverly sneaking in the .391 wOBA. He had a 180 wRC+ on a sustainable BABIP. Something Buxton hasn't done.



Nor should you, because TNSTAAPP. Proving my point.



You entirely missed my point of how a small subset of averageness affects - or doesn't affect - a player's projection. I was even throwing you a bone there



He had 500 PA last year and hit for like a 160ish wRC+? WTF? You're gonna chide Baez's durability on the Buxton side of this? Between this and conveniently omitting the 180 wRC+ you're really stretching things

Buxton at 140 wRC+? Yea, I know, and that is a good thing.

Not really sneaking. It was bound to be seen either way. Buxton has sustained a .400+ BABIP in over 574 PA. Not saying that he will do that in the MLB, but that is kinda good ("kinda" is downplaying the situation).

And Buxton had a .400 BABIP in 500 PA last year. You are entirely missing the point on what I'm saying. I'm not knocking Baez's durability, I'm saying he has never had this many PA in one league yet. So he's getting a taste of how much he will play in the majors.

This is practically at a stalemate. We really need to get a bigger taste of Buxton in the AA, and AAA leagues. Baez has alot more to go off of, and Buxton has a crazy BABIP, that he has somehow sustained thru his years in MiLB.