MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[hampshirestags]

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Sorry if I'm doing this too soon, I'll only bump this once. If anyone has any thoughts, that's cool. If not, that's cool too. Thanks.

CHW is your best deal, CLE/SF wouldn't trade their power bats while winning.

A couple of comments, 1) You have what you're looking to trade for in Olson, can you coach him up and have him ready for '15? (that way, no trade needed) ... 2) Other Lefty 1b that can be looked at Moreland (TEX), Jones (MIA), Loney (TB).

[sink4ever]

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CHW is your best deal, CLE/SF wouldn't trade their power bats while winning.

A couple of comments, 1) You have what you're looking to trade for in Olson, can you coach him up and have him ready for '15? (that way, no trade needed) ... 2) Other Lefty 1b that can be looked at Moreland (TEX), Jones (MIA), Loney (TB).

Thanks. Unfortunately Olson really sucks in my roster. Maybe I should find a newer roster and copy his ratings/potential over. Appreciate you pointing that out.

[AC]

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So I screwed up my calculations for Reyes and now I'm done my season so I figured I'd lay it all out.

Jose Reyes
WAR 5.0
wRC+ 116
K% 12.53
BB% 8.08
Fld 3.6
wOBA .339
BSR .9
BABIP .308
ISO .148
Triple Slash .285/.340/.433
Surplus value $11.3M
GP 153

Can't really think of anything else relevant. The only shortstops who come close to him in overall production are Tulowitzki (25.7M) Hanley (26.1M expiring) and Hardy (8.0M expiring). Not even Starlin Castro holds a candle to him this year.

I'm looking for the best pieces back possible, but 99% not pitchers as the main piece. An outfielder would be pretty cool. As I've said before, I've targeted guys like Calhoun+ or Marte+. Unfortunately, on either team, there isn't really much of a +. Calhoun put up a 3 win year and Marte put up a horrawful year.

So what do you guys think I could get back? I wasn't thinking T50 prospect but now I kinda am. Reyes' numbers are pretty massive.

So why am I trading him? Like I said, an outfielder would be cool. I have a lot of holes coming up. No definite 2B, no LF, no 1B/DH, no C. I need a player to fill one of those holes and the budget room to work with.

Again, Calhoun+ and Marte+ both seem appealing. More so Calhoun. But I don't see very good secondary packages. The Rangers could work. Reyes/Andrus on the MIF, Profar to the OF, Rios to CF (Martin is awful). Dunno who I'd want back.

Nationals maybe. LaRoche gone, Zimmerman to 1B, Rendon to 3B, Reyes/Des MIF. Mets have Tejada. He finally hit a HR!!!!!! Wouldn't mind d'Arnaud back although he was awful. That'd be fun. I dunno if the Cubs would deal Soler or Almora or Arismendy or someone, but they could move someone to the OF to make room (they were contenders this year and should be next year).

Reds have a massive need with Cozart. One of their pitchers could be interesting. Maybe along with a meh Frazier. Dodgers will obviously have massive interest. Pederson is super interesting, or I could do Kemp++ (Kemp is awful).

Contending teams:

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Rays
Yankees
Orioles
Red Sox
Tigers
Twins
Athletics
Mariners
Angels
Rangers
Nationals
Braves
Brewers
Reds
Cardinals
Cubs
Pirates
Dodgers
Padres
Rockies
Diamondbacks

Selling teams:

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Royals
Indians
White Sox
Astros
Phillies
Marlins
Mets
Giants

So yeah, this'll probably be my last post re: Reyes now that I have all the info. If you have any specific questions just ask. Thanks in advance.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Cubs are a definite no. They have no need for a SS.

[hampshirestags]

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So I screwed up my calculations for Reyes and now I'm done my season so I figured I'd lay it all out.

Jose Reyes
WAR 5.0
wRC+ 116
K% 12.53
BB% 8.08
Fld 3.6
wOBA .339
BSR .9
BABIP .308
ISO .148
Triple Slash .285/.340/.433
Surplus value $11.3M
GP 153

Can't really think of anything else relevant. The only shortstops who come close to him in overall production are Tulowitzki (25.7M) Hanley (26.1M expiring) and Hardy (8.0M expiring). Not even Starlin Castro holds a candle to him this year.

I'm looking for the best pieces back possible, but 99% not pitchers as the main piece. An outfielder would be pretty cool. As I've said before, I've targeted guys like Calhoun+ or Marte+. Unfortunately, on either team, there isn't really much of a +. Calhoun put up a 3 win year and Marte put up a horrawful year.

So what do you guys think I could get back? I wasn't thinking T50 prospect but now I kinda am. Reyes' numbers are pretty massive.

So why am I trading him? Like I said, an outfielder would be cool. I have a lot of holes coming up. No definite 2B, no LF, no 1B/DH, no C. I need a player to fill one of those holes and the budget room to work with.

Again, Calhoun+ and Marte+ both seem appealing. More so Calhoun. But I don't see very good secondary packages. The Rangers could work. Reyes/Andrus on the MIF, Profar to the OF, Rios to CF (Martin is awful). Dunno who I'd want back.

Nationals maybe. LaRoche gone, Zimmerman to 1B, Rendon to 3B, Reyes/Des MIF. Mets have Tejada. He finally hit a HR!!!!!! Wouldn't mind d'Arnaud back although he was awful. That'd be fun. I dunno if the Cubs would deal Soler or Almora or Arismendy or someone, but they could move someone to the OF to make room (they were contenders this year and should be next year).

Reds have a massive need with Cozart. One of their pitchers could be interesting. Maybe along with a meh Frazier. Dodgers will obviously have massive interest. Pederson is super interesting, or I could do Kemp++ (Kemp is awful).

Contending teams:

Spoiler

Rays
Yankees
Orioles
Red Sox
Tigers
Twins
Athletics
Mariners
Angels
Rangers
Nationals
Braves
Brewers
Reds
Cardinals
Cubs
Pirates
Dodgers
Padres
Rockies
Diamondbacks

Selling teams:

Spoiler

Royals
Indians
White Sox
Astros
Phillies
Marlins
Mets
Giants

So yeah, this'll probably be my last post re: Reyes now that I have all the info. If you have any specific questions just ask. Thanks in advance.

If this discussion goes beyond this post, I'm gonna need Kemp's slash from '14. You may be able to pull either A . Guerrero or A. Verdugo from an average Kemp (MVP a couple years ago, he shouldn't suck that bad) or 2 boom/bust arms from a below average performance.

You have my deal from LAA. As I see it, NYY, WAS, CIN, STL (something with Holliday) along with the 2 LA teams are the bidders. I think one of us put Reyes in NYY a month or so ago?

HOU, ARZ, CHC all could be players but you have to bring one of your arms to the table (Sanchez or Norris).

Here is the thought I've had since we lasted chatted,...Tulo. I know, and I know...and yes, I know that too but...it's going to have to be a blockbuster, why not TOR?

[AC]

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WTNY, you don't think the Cubs would jump at adding another 5 wins? Baez could move to RF pretty easy, or Castro (nice speed and arm), or Arismendy. Also, I had a dream the Jays acquired Schwarber which must be prophetic lol.

I don't see the point in a Tulo/Reyes swap. It's a lateral move. Sure Tulo is better but he's more expensive. Once you get down to surplus value they're even.

Kemp was pretty awful. I dunno, 1 WAR? Salaries go 17.8, 18.7, 19.6, 20.6, 21.6, 22.7. Just an awful, awful contract. Hm. Would they deal Ryu? Or would they do Kemp + Pederson? I might do that. That was a rumored Lester package and that was for a rental Lester, not a T3 SS coming off a 5 win season still locked up on what is now a very fair contract. Actually, I'm not sure if I'd do that lol.

Dunno who on earth the Astros would realistically deal for Reyes and who on earth would make it worth it for me if I included a young arm (Sanchez 1.3 WAR in 20 innings, Norris top 20 prospect). The DBacks don't really have any assets to trade. I see these teams as the bidders and with who they'd deal:

NYY: Ew. Pineda+Betances+Refsnyder? Ewww.
WAS: Pitcher+? Fister/Gio were pretty bad.
CIN: Cueto (3.5?) and Latos (4?) jump out. Bailey (3) and Chapman (1) are interesting too. Frazier (2?).
STL: Piscotty+? I dunno.
LAA: Calhoun+. Trouble is the +.
LAD: Well, Kemp++. Pederson+. We know the drill. Ryu is interesting too.
NYM: d'Arnaud+ just seems ... interesting.
PIT: Yeah, Marte. .245/.285/.407. Really bad year. Also like Cole (2.5), Kingham, Glasnow, and Meadows.

Ughhh.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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WTNY, you don't think the Cubs would jump at adding another 5 wins? Baez could move to RF pretty easy, or Castro (nice speed and arm), or Arismendy. Also, I had a dream the Jays acquired Schwarber which must be prophetic lol.

Positive. No chance Theoyer has even a small interest in Reyes. It's anathema to everything they're doing in Chicago. They are not giving up core prospects for a 30/31 y/o speed and contact guy who happened to have a good year at a position they have no need at. I'd cross them off the list entirely if you are still looking for realism.

[AC]

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Any thoughts on the rest of that?

[Shock1011]

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So I screwed up my calculations for Reyes and now I'm done my season so I figured I'd lay it all out.

I see that the Brewers were contenders so I thought I'd throw in something that may be a bit out there I dunno.

Knowing your previous interest in Braun you could possibly work out a deal that would get you him and Segura. I'm sure in real life they would ask for a whole lot but if you were to give them Reyes + a pitcher it could be a pretty solid deal for both teams. I'd think that what you give them besides Reyes would all have to depend on how Segura is playing (and whether or not you see him as a fit) but I'd guess that MIL would prefer a pitcher over anything else.

Also this would be completely thrown out if Braun is playing at a Sub-Braun level.

[AC]

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Daaaaaaaamn. I'm gonna be home in a sec so I'll check that out. Segura was pretty meh iirc. Gennett was a stud. I forget what Braun is like but Gomez and Davis have been phenomenal. Give me like 10 minutes and I'll either edit this post or if you respond before that I'll make a post with all the stats.

I'd also like to hear from others if they think it's realistic. It's a blockbuster but it's a win win for sure. From one steroid LF to another lol.

[Shock1011]

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Daaaaaaaamn. I'm gonna be home in a sec so I'll check that out. Segura was pretty meh iirc. Gennett was a stud. I forget what Braun is like but Gomez and Davis have been phenomenal. Give me like 10 minutes and I'll either edit this post or if you respond before that I'll make a post with all the stats.

I'd also like to hear from others if they think it's realistic. It's a blockbuster but it's a win win for sure. From one steroid LF to another lol.

I really don't know about the realism aspect of the trade but I definitely think it's fair if you give Sanchez/Osuna/Stroman/Nolin+ back because I'd like to think the Brewers would at least be able to replace Braun's power with someone else since that's all they're really losing in this.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Any thoughts on the rest of that?

I think I suggested a deal with the Reds a long while back. So, maybe you could get Latos. Word is they might not be able to keep Cueto and Latos both. I doubt you'd get close to getting your hands on Chapman or Cueto.

The Angels for Calhoun+ makes some sense.

To the Yankees for something around Severino + Murphy + another B. Problem is no one all that MLB ready aside from Murphy.

I'm not a fan of the Mets, Pirates, Cardinals, and Nationals as partners. I'm sure you could work something out with the Dodgers, but I don't think Reyes gets you into their top 3 prospects. You'd probably have to settle for Lee/Van Slyke/Guerrero/Gordon in addition to Kemp.

[AC]

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I really don't know about the realism aspect of the trade but I definitely think it's fair if you give Sanchez/Osuna/Stroman/Nolin+ back because I'd like to think the Brewers would at least be able to replace Braun's power with someone else since that's all they're really losing in this.

Braun's power is replaced by Khris Davis, who hit .270 with 29 homers. Segura was pretty awful offensively and defensively but he ran a lot (41 SB) fwiw. Not much. He was pretty bad. Braun hit .273/.327/.461 with 24 homers. He wasn't anything special. In game contract of 9.3/9.7/10.2/10.7/11.3/11.8/12.4. Strikeout rate was good but the walks were low. What do you think?

I think I suggested a deal with the Reds a long while back. So, maybe you could get Latos. Word is they might not be able to keep Cueto and Latos both. I doubt you'd get close to getting your hands on Chapman or Cueto.

The Angels for Calhoun+ makes some sense.

To the Yankees for something around Severino + Murphy + another B. Problem is no one all that MLB ready aside from Murphy.

I'm not a fan of the Mets, Pirates, Cardinals, and Nationals as partners. I'm sure you could work something out with the Dodgers, but I don't think Reyes gets you into their top 3 prospects. You'd probably have to settle for Lee/Van Slyke/Guerrero/Gordon in addition to Kemp.

Latos is who I like more so solid. 3.22 ERA in 33 games. 7.7 K/9, 3.4 FIP. Nice year. But he's going into a contract year. Think I could get more back since he's only a rental?

I dunno who + would be. They really don't have much to write home about lol. Literally no legitimate prospects. Like, I'm not being picky, they just don't have ... anyone.

Meeeh. Gross.

I think the Mets would be interested. They've shown interest in Tulo and Castro. So I won't rule them out. Think the Dodgers would deal Ryu?

What does everyone think of the Braun trade?

[hampshirestags]

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I think you would have a lineup that resembles a men's slow pitch softball team.

You should add on a young arm though. At worst, Segura is an everyday SS with his glove and Braun is just off stealing the MVP from Kemp. That's worth Reyes +

[AC]

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I think you would have a lineup that resembles a men's slow pitch softball team.

You should add on a young arm though. At worst, Segura is an everyday SS with his glove and Braun is just off stealing the MVP from Kemp. That's worth Reyes +

Segura's glove is pretty bad man. He's been like the worst shortstop in the league IRL. And Braun's production is pretty far down.

The thing I'm most concerned with is realism.