Re: Dynamic Difficulty?

[Heroesandvillains]

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And another completely awesome game on AS+!

In 12 IP, I gave up 12 hits, some XBH, 5 BB and 5 runs. Now I'm on AS+ progress: +.

Why??? Why any progress? I think this is where the problem lies. I played a 12 inning game, gave up over 20 bases and was still rewarded with a + sign.

This is the issue in my book. I should not have been rewarded with progress here. This should have been an even draw.

[bcruise]

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I agree completely with the notion of classic pitching + QC being a bad mix for HOF. I've always felt that All-Star is the "middle" level where most everything is equal for user and CPU. Thing is, the user can turn All-Star into some very lopsided results with their own skill, either at pitching or hitting. That's where HOF and Legend come in - to give that player more of a challenge. The one thing I know is different is an increase in the CPU's PCI size (user pitching) + decrease in the player's PCI size (user hitting). Those two changes are huge.

I can win enough of my games with the Cubs at All-Star to know that that level, at least for hitting, is not right for me. It also shows up in certain Challenge of The Week settings where I can power swing (with a PCI reduced in size) and still keep my streak going until HOF, where I have to switch to normal. (Not this week's challenge though - Stanton has NO PCI against Grienke, even at Rookie! )

Going back to pitching...Classic is very, VERY AI based - it decides both the velocity and location to a greater extent than any other mode (yes, you can hold the button down, but it still varies...). Therefore, I agree that for classic pitching, All-Star, the level where things are more equal, is probably a better fit.

And it's magnified in QC of course, where every single pitch is meaningful.

I hope you can find a way to make regular All-Star work for you H&V...it sounds like you're experiencing exactly what I was worried about happening with DD bouncing back and forth.

[cardinalbird5]

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Alright. I just finished up the massacre. I wanted to elaborate on why I think this see-sawing is happening to me.

As I've said, I use Classic and QC's only. Just to give you an idea, here's my 11 most recent game stats from AS+ :

42 runs allowed
37 BB
12 HR
94 hits allowed

Now my last 4 games on HOF (played two got demoted. Made my way back and played two more and got demoted):

19 runs allowed
22 BB
12 HR
24 hits allowed

Notice how the BB and HR numbers skyrocket on HOF.

Normally, I don't isolate any stats from such small sample sizes. However, in a thread about DD it is relevant because the HOF stats warranted a change in gameplay difficulty according to the game's Dynamic Difficulty rules.

Without actually watching me play the game I'll have to do my best to describe what's happening (at least on my end) to cause the reaccuring difficulty fluctuations.

As soon as I hit HOF, I immediately lose any sense of command over the strike zone, as demonstrated in the numbers above. Thus the extremely high BB stats. In an effort to keep BB's down (because walks are not always an ideal outcome to an at-bat) I'm forcing the ballmarker closer to the middle of the zone. This is causing more hittable pitches which is resulting in the high home run rate.

BB's and HR's reduce confidence which make BB's and HR's more likely.

Releivers are then subbed in to stop the bleeding. However, releivers are also more prone to BB's. Thus more HR's. Thus lower confidence.

All of this is resulting in high OPS and causing DD to recognize I'm being over matched and immediately abandoning ship back to AS+.

I've done this Difficulty song and dance three times now and it's honestly not a lot of fun. This is because AS+ and HOF are very different animals. One I want to stay on (AS+) and the other the game and I agree I'm not good enough for (HOF).

I attribute it all to Classic Pitching and its innate wildness being mixed with Quick Counts and it's (in my opinion...over) abundance of 3-0, 3-1 and 3-2 counts. I'm not claiming to know the answer but this is how I'm seeing it, anyway. Any feedback of course is welcomed.

I think your best bet is to just play on AS with adjusted sliders. Maybe make the User pitch control more difficult, cpu power and contact up a notch, etc.

HOF just isn't fun pitching wise. AS seems about right. I use AS and put the pitch control down, plus I'm using Houston. It is pretty hard to get in a groove, but some games I can. One game I gave up 9 runs in one inning and the next game I shut down the cpu with my starter and won 4-3.

I think DD works best for RTTS. You can build up your starter so much and then he could actually be competitive on HOF or higher. With normal pitchers...it isn't going to work lol.

[Ryan97]

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I have been playing a lot on DD as well. I'm having a similar issue with the pitching. The hitting is perfect really.

I think the sliders need a slight bump so the computer IS peaking before the level gets changed on us. The problem is we are getting far too many scoreless innings without a computer rally or outbreak and it is leading to a difficulty change. Just needs to be bumped enough that the computer is putting runs on the board and a realistic pace.

The computer strikes out ALOT of all-star with pulse pitching so I'm going to bump contact and power one notch and lower accuracy 1 for my pitching. I shouldn't be striking out guys with 90 contact ratings 2 or 3 times a game with the Blue Jays staff anyway lol

I just want it to drop into that nice flow that I have going with the hitting.

[Ryan97]

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Also keep in mind, we have the whole other end of that scale to play with. It doesn't just go one way.

[Jroll11]

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Does the issue with HOF pitching apply on to classic pitching or to analog as well? I ask because I use analog pitching and my issue is:


All-Star: - Too Easy


All-Star +: Feels good so far (Only played about 2 games on allstar +)


HOF: TOO HARD! I get killed on HOF. Avg. giving up like 7 runs, pitches turn into meatballs with a lot more frequency.


I use the Phillies, and even Cliff Lee and Cole Hamels get rocked. Just curious of the opinion using analog pitching on HOF


Thanks!

[Heroesandvillains]

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Does the issue with HOF pitching apply on to classic pitching or to analog as well? I ask because I use analog pitching and my issue is:

All-Star: - Too Easy

All-Star +: Feels good so far (Only played about 2 games on allstar +)

HOF: TOO HARD! I get killed on HOF. Avg. giving up like 7 runs, pitches turn into meatballs with a lot more frequency.

I use the Phillies, and even Cliff Lee and Cole Hamels get rocked. Just curious of the opinion using analog pitching on HOF

Thanks!

Sure. Depending on your stick ability, the change in Difficulty Level could absolutely force you to be overmatched. It just depends on the the type of game you're looking to play and what you consider to be desired long term stats.

I'm going to give Default AS+ one more chance to lock in. If it doesn't, here's what I'm doing:

1. Forcing the game back to AS+ and bumping the CPU hitting sliders in an effort to make sure DD locks in.

2. Abandoning ship on DD and going back to regular AS and bumping the CPU hitting sliders while simultaneously dropping my pitching sliders...

Number 2 would be a real shame though. I played around 45-50 games on Default AS and had an ERA below 3.50 with NYY. It'll need more slidering than I'm comfortable with to be honest. I haven't had to do that since MLB 11.

[Ryan97]

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Heroes, I think option 1 will work out. Checking out some of the sliders from the forums a lot of all star guys seem to go 3 and 3 for accuracy and consistency. I'm gonna start there.

[HechticSooner]

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Also I don't know about you all but I personally am always knocking down my own pitching sliders even when doing DD, now I haven't played enough to be past AS+ yet but when I do I'll be making sure to at least go back to default. That's always something to keep in mind.

As far as DD and QCs with Classic pitching I think you're nuts to think that you won't need to move sliders around. When in games past games I got the balls to play HOF on classic it was always one of the few times I bumped pitching sliders in my favor, without getting every pitch in the at bat it would be crazy not to increase sliders in your favor.

[Heroesandvillains]

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Heroes, I think option 1 will work out. Checking out some of the sliders from the forums a lot of all star guys seem to go 3 and 3 for accuracy and consistency. I'm gonna start there.

Maybe I'll just bump the solid hits a click now and just try to get this over with.

Thanks for the advice man.

[gman2774]

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Maybe I'll just bump the solid hits a click now and just try to get this over with.

Thanks for the advice man.

Welcome back to slideritis....lol. Not saying that to be a dink cause I'm experiencing the same type of deal. Even though the theory behind DD is to eliminate the need for constantly adjusting our sliders, I just can't seem to leave them alone. It's in my DNA, I have no control. I'm 38 yrs old, a wife, two kids, a career, home, etc. and I'm sick with slideritis. I need help.......

[Heroesandvillains]

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Welcome back to slideritis....lol. Not saying that to be a dink cause I'm experiencing the same type of deal. Even though the theory behind DD is to eliminate the need for constantly adjusting our sliders, I just can't seem to leave them alone. It's in my DNA, I have no control. I'm 38 yrs old, a wife, two kids, a career, home, etc. and I'm sick with slideritis. I need help.......

LOL!

I haven't adjusted a core slider in years. Let me tell you, I used to be "sick" too. Trust me on that.

I refuse to go nuts on it though. I just want to stabilize my DD. This constant back and forth is making me dizzy!

[kchuskey]

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So I just got though my 5th game in spring traing has I just got the game on Friday has I have been besy with work and nba playoffs and trying to find a new job any way these are my stats after 5 games or 1 time thought the rotation with default sliders other then pitch speed at 6 and zone hitting pulse pitching.


avg 258
runs 23 so around 4.5 a game
hits 43 so around 8.5 a game
home runs 7 but 6 of them where in one game
sb 2
walks 4
strikesouts 17 so about 3.5 a game
slugging percentage 460
on base percentage 278
Errors 9
fielding percentage 953
ERA 240
hits allowed 31 so about 6 a game
HR allowed 4
walkes allowed 5
striketouts 45 so 9 a game


Right now my pitching is at vertrian +++ has been for the last few games semeds like it takes a lot to get it up to allstar. My hitting is only at vertrain + yet I am not hitting ever thing like I thought I would. Ether this game is harder on ps4 then ps3 or I am rusty has I havnt played 13 for a while and don't have 14 on ps3 has in the past I would hit to while on vertian. I need to drawl and though for walks witch probly want happened in till I get up to all star. I am now going to put fielder run speed down to 3 has I have been finding a lot off balls hit by me and the computer to be cought and ran down and not really having any going over players heads. After 5 more games I will see if I need to make any more changes or not. I may have to make some change to errors has after 5 games the computer has zero errors and I have 9 but 8 of the 9 are on thowrs.

No offense, but I got a headache just reading this. I mean dude... You misspelled the same word 3 times, and none of them are correct, or the same. For the record... Veteran (Which I am btw) Maybe why this bothers me so much..

[Heroesandvillains]

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Can I lock in just hitting to a set level while keeping pitching on Dynamic?

[drsonoma]

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HOF or higher pitching just gets unrealistic IMO. Computer turns into better than real players and users.

I like Legend hitting with AS pitching.

Legend hitting? I could only dream...