With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

[CujoMatty]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

Oh in this game really? That's good. I haven't seen it myself as often as I would like so far...

Yup for realsies. I wish it happened more though too.

[Millennium]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

That's pretty much the point of this thread. It's just not very realistic to me.

The problem is in Hall Of Fame you personally need to do a lot more work to be able to pitch successfully.

On Hall Of Fame (and Legend but let's just consider the rest of my post to refer to both levels) you need to remember tendencies. Your own (so you don't repeat them) and the CPU (so you can take advantage of them). If you throw an outside 4 seam fastball as the first pitch to the same batter 3 at bats in a row, by the third at bat the batter will be sitting on it. If you have a tendency to alternate fast/slow 80% of the time in your at bats the CPU will remember and start to anticipate. If you always throw a 1-2 breaking pitch the CPU will start to remember, and that strikeout pitch you had the first two times through the lineup turns into ball 2 later in games.

We as a sim crowd have asked for this type of thing out of all of our games for years: Don't make the higher levels have a ratings cheat, make them smarter. That is what MLB The Show has done with their upper difficulty levels. Now the onus is on you to evolve into that difficulty, not them to bring it back to you.

From your posts, I'm assuming (and please tell me if I'm wrong, as that is possible with this assumption) that you want your stick skills to be the first thing taken into account for succeeding in this game. That's what we've all been taught - if you can become a great stick jockey, you can beat anything. You've mentioned it by wanting meter pitching to be more accurate, or that when you pushed your left stick Andrew Miller should immediately move to field the ball. That's not a negative request at all, but that's not the case with MLB The Show. Ratings and strategy trump being able to hit lines on meters. And that is what we've asked for out of sports games for years. Just takes more work for us to catch up.

[Arrowhead21]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

this game doesnt autosave after you make a roster edit / player edit / lineup or rotation change / call up or send down, which crushed me yesterday. I was setting all my lineups in 30 team control fictional roster franchise, get to the Giants which is of course the final team on the list and then boom, bluescreened. This game only crashes when you really need it not to. Might be throwing that franchise away now, thats how disheartening it truly was.

[kehlis]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

Why don't you stop trying to incite nonsense and actually stick to discussing the topic.

I tried to discuss it with you by replying with what I thought was a thought out, open response to you yet instead of replying to me you started on with with this.....

We're willing to have an open and active discussion but you have to be a willing participant which means you can't just gloss over and ignore posts you don't want to respond to.

[Padgoi]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

I tried to discuss it with you by replying with what I thought was a thought out, open response to you yet instead of replying to me you started on with with this.....

We're willing to have an open and active discussion but you have to be a willing participant which means you can't just gloss over and ignore posts you don't want to respond to.

I've been having a very productive conversation with Mill if you hadn't noticed, good sir. He's doing a great job allowing me to wrap my head around the fact that I just might not be pitching well enough. I didn't realize I was obligated to respond to every single response aimed at me. I always thought that was my prerogative.

[Padgoi]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

The problem is in Hall Of Fame you personally need to do a lot more work to be able to pitch successfully.

On Hall Of Fame (and Legend but let's just consider the rest of my post to refer to both levels) you need to remember tendencies. Your own (so you don't repeat them) and the CPU (so you can take advantage of them). If you throw an outside 4 seam fastball as the first pitch to the same batter 3 at bats in a row, by the third at bat the batter will be sitting on it. If you have a tendency to alternate fast/slow 80% of the time in your at bats the CPU will remember and start to anticipate. If you always throw a 1-2 breaking pitch the CPU will start to remember, and that strikeout pitch you had the first two times through the lineup turns into ball 2 later in games.

We as a sim crowd have asked for this type of thing out of all of our games for years: Don't make the higher levels have a ratings cheat, make them smarter. That is what MLB The Show has done with their upper difficulty levels. Now the onus is on you to evolve into that difficulty, not them to bring it back to you.

From your posts, I'm assuming (and please tell me if I'm wrong, as that is possible with this assumption) that you want your stick skills to be the first thing taken into account for succeeding in this game. That's what we've all been taught - if you can become a great stick jockey, you can beat anything. You've mentioned it by wanting meter pitching to be more accurate, or that when you pushed your left stick Andrew Miller should immediately move to field the ball. That's not a negative request at all, but that's not the case with MLB The Show. Ratings and strategy trump being able to hit lines on meters. And that is what we've asked for out of sports games for years. Just takes more work for us to catch up.

Thanks Mill. You're really clearing things up for me. I clearly may need to just up my game and realize that the Cpu on higher levels is picking up my tendencies and feeding on them.

[kehlis]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

I've been having a very productive conversation with Mill if you hadn't noticed, good sir. He's doing a great job allowing me to wrap my head around the fact that I just might not be pitching well enough. I didn't realize I was obligated to respond to every single response aimed at me. I always thought that was my prerogative.

I did see that and I appreciate that conversation which is why I too wanted to engage.

While you are under no obligation to respond to anyone it just goes to show why there is so much animosity when instead of choosing to respond to a post like mine (which is actually about the topic at hand) you choose to engage another poster in a pointless back and forth.

But feel free to have it your way I guess.

[thaSLAB]

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1) It does happen often in real MLB games, since many pitchers would rather throw pitches in the dirt than hang them up in the zone. A caveat may be that in real-life catchers do not always have to throw to 1B to complete an out, because many hitters are oblivious to the fact that the pitch was dropped, so the catcher simply needs to tag the hitter. That doesn't happen in The Show (although I did see it happen once during the CD event this year... obviously it's not really coded in yet).

2) Broken bat probably happens too often in the game... which is a consequence of this year's game making the timing window tighter up and inside and many gamers get jammed on that pitch, resulting in broken bats. I think the fact that hitters get jammed is fine, but the bat probably should be broken less often...

Or maybe not totally exploding into splinters every time, lol. Maybe another, less catastrophic shatter/break.

I've seen the catcher tag out guys on a dropped third strike numerous times.

Oh in this game really? That's good. I haven't seen it myself as often as I would like so far...

I read that as batters not knowing the pitch was in the dirt, and walk off to the dugout, conceding the out/tag. I think that should be added.

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[Padgoi]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

Just going to snip the post since it's been quoted several times.



I appreciate your willingness to post the video's so just wanted to offer some thought's all across the board.

First, I do agree there is an issue with animations of the mound and has been for awhile. So I can understand your argument with not fielding the bunt.

However, the defenses that have been made in this thread for that delay ARE correct as well and maybe if that's a way the game masks rating's I'm okay with it. The only reason I bring it up is because I've seen that animation in the first inning, since that isn't something that only happens in the ninth inning, it can't be tied into any rubberbanding.


For the rest of the video though I don't see how you showing us one pitch could be much of an indication of anything? The triple you hit looked to be a very hittable pitch up in the zone, the single to get him in seemed inside but hittable, and the homerun looked to be in a spot that Rodriguez has historically hit very well. Without seeing the full at bat's it's really hard for anyone to come to an agreement with your claim based on one pitch in an at bat.

As to what the CPU did, obviously the single was legitimate and I've agreed with your argument about the animation on the bunt play. I think everyone could agree there could be some work done to the bunting but that has nothing to do with comeback as that is not a ninth issue, but a game long issue.

But again, just seeing one pitch of your at bat's after that doesn't give us much to go on nor does it prove any comeback since that pitch looked to be very hittable as well.

Just a few observations. I'm willing to have an open dialogue, there is just nothing in those video's that screams comeback by either you or the CPU to be honest.

Based on your post and Mill's, I'd say there definitely seems to be an issue with my pitching tendencies. Do I still think the cpu gets tougher in late innings when they're down? Yes. Do I think that's necessarily realistic? No. Do I think it needs to be toned down a bit? Yes. Do I think my tendencies contribute to these late inning rallies? Absolutely.

[kehlis]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

Based on your post and Mill's, I'd say there definitely seems to be an issue with my pitching tendencies. Do I still think the cpu gets tougher in late innings when they're down? Yes. Do I think that's necessarily realistic? No. Do I think it needs to be toned down a bit? Yes. Do I think my tendencies contribute to these late inning rallies? Absolutely.

Perfectly said, I believe the crux then of my disagreement is simply that I do believe it's realistic for teams to get aggressive in late inning situations when behind.

And also just wanted to mention that I haven't been as involved with this discussion over the weekend and skimmed a lot of posts. My main point was not about your tendencies because I don't know enough about them to say anything one way or the other but just that showing one pitch isn't sufficient to form a conclusion one way or the other.

[HustlinOwl]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

go even a step further as I have encouraged everyone to do since last year and community challenges to go ahead and recreate some of these comebacks and see how differently the game plays amongst the community. Start say the 7th inning and post results

still no takers?? Guess I will setup a scenario based on my franchise from the other night, however like most community challenges will be interesting to see how many people actually try it. I created several (as intended) real life scenarios last year and got very little attempts.

[bkrich83]

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I think pitching on all-star is absurdly easy. I can't find a happy medium.

Agreed. I knocked down pitch consistency and pitch accuracy a bit and I've been happy with the results.


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[Padgoi]

With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn'...

Agreed. I knocked down pitch consistency and pitch accuracy a bit and I've been happy with the results.


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So did I, had consistency at 3 and accuracy at 2 and had a perfect game with Pineda two straight games (playing exhibition) into the 7th and 8th innings respectively.

[Padgoi]

Re: With all they've tweaked with gameplay, there's still so much more they didn't...

still no takers?? Guess I will setup a scenario based on my franchise from the other night, however like most community challenges will be interesting to see how many people actually try it. I created several (as intended) real life scenarios last year and got very little attempts.

No one will. It's too much work to be asking that. There's only been two people (myself included) that posted videos of questionable comebacks at all and a few more people came in here initially agreeing with my original assessment. It's just too much work.

[bkrich83]

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So did I, had consistency at 3 and accuracy at 2 and had a perfect game with Pineda two straight games (playing exhibition) into the 7th and 8th innings respectively.

Thats about where I am. My results have been good. Not sure if playing exhibition vs. franchise makes a difference particularly with how confidence works.


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