Online Franchise

[mets718]

Re: Online Franchise

I think that they will announce that they fix and worked on some of the bugs in Online Franchise.

With that I'll be happy.


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[eric7064]

Re: Online Franchise

I simply can not tell you guys this enough:

Sports games do not compete with same sport games - they compete with everything that can be on your console instead.

All sports games get this same argument - "If NFL 2K was still around Madden would be better", "If NBA Live was around NBA 2K would fix their game".

So you're telling me all 3 major sports game devs are slacking due to lack of competition?

The Show wants their game in your console for 12 months a year. Period. They are working towards that and unfortunately (especially for me, I'm a HUGE proponent of Online Franchise modes as GM Connected in the NHL series is still a dream of mine) it is the LEAST played game mode in EVERY sports game, while single player franchise is the most and Diamond Dynasty brings in the most revenue. And this isn't skewed numbers because some games are missing the mode - even when NHL had GM Connected it was the least played. Hell - RTTS was not fully updated until the overhaul this year.

It may get love at some point. Hell - maybe they even talk about it this year on another stream. But at some point the anger needs to get put away and the understanding that Online Franchise is the bottom of the priority list in ALL sports games needs to set in.

I do agree on a lot of what you said. And I'm not trying to say the show devs are slacking by any means. I think the biggest point is they have 80 guys. That's it. One who works the franchise code. That's likely the real issue on why the mode we love goes unnoticed.

But I do think sports games not having competition do effect what goes on. 2005 was arguably the best year of sports gaming. Nfl2k, madden 05, mvp, etc..that was when Live was a superior Bball game. Lack of another game in the same sport I think does hurt the industry's progression.

Lastly, I do know online franchise modes are not the most popular. But GM Connected was also a mess. It took 2-3 minutes to scoll anywhere. Literally. Just horrible. NBA 2K's was broken. Leagues would crash and couldn't get past 1st season. The first 3 years of madden online franchise only had a draft in the offseason. No contracts, no free agency etc...then they introduced connected franchise and it's great. And they wonder why these modes don't get played. Only 1 of the sports worked properly

I'd be curious to see madden's #'s in regards to connected franchise. I wouldn't doubt if an "online" one gets started more then offline. It's seamless. No difference between the two.

Again, EA madden and SDS is completely different. What the's guys do with 80 guys is amazing. I love this game. It's my absolute favorite. It's just hard to hear "it's the least played that's why no attention is given".

The mode has a magnitude of issues that most won't put up with. In fact its a REAL pain to make the mode doable and you have to do a ton of workarounds. Most people will see what's missing, or see issues and never touch it or consider it.

It launched with many issues, and an unplayable online (mlb14). In the 3 years since it has gone untouched. To the point where the schedule last year was the 2015 schedule.

I just want an answer on what the future is. What's the plan for it, if any? Getting a one sentence response in consecutive years is really disheartening.

[ssj3alucard]

Re: Online Franchise

I simply can not tell you guys this enough:

Sports games do not compete with same sport games - they compete with everything that can be on your console instead.

All sports games get this same argument - "If NFL 2K was still around Madden would be better", "If NBA Live was around NBA 2K would fix their game".

So you're telling me all 3 major sports game devs are slacking due to lack of competition?

The Show wants their game in your console for 12 months a year. Period. They are working towards that and unfortunately (especially for me, I'm a HUGE proponent of Online Franchise modes as GM Connected in the NHL series is still a dream of mine) it is the LEAST played game mode in EVERY sports game, while single player franchise is the most and Diamond Dynasty brings in the most revenue. And this isn't skewed numbers because some games are missing the mode - even when NHL had GM Connected it was the least played. Hell - RTTS was not fully updated until the overhaul this year.

It may get love at some point. Hell - maybe they even talk about it this year on another stream. But at some point the anger needs to get put away and the understanding that Online Franchise is the bottom of the priority list in ALL sports games needs to set in.

I have been a member of this site for a long time and usually lurk and don't post. However, I had to jump in to tell you how wrong & on a some level irresponsible this post is.

First off, RTTS has been getting updates year over year, so that argument mean very little. Second, I don't think that you are understanding the plight of the users here at all. We aren't asking for big updates or even for a similar feature set to offline. We are asking for game breaking bugs that prevent us from completing seasons and brick our universes to be fixed. Moreover, some of us aren't even asking for that; We are asking for a confirmation that our mode is a member of the walking dead so that we can save our $60 if we choose to go that route. For a game/studio that touts it's transparency with it's users, That's not a lot.

I also don't understand your logic in saying that Online Franchise being "on the bottom of the pile" for every sports franchise. That's just not true. Rex has been saying all year since Madden 17 came out that "CFM is not where we need it to be" and that work would be going into it. (If you say well, that's Offline as well, my answer would be that's great, do that in the Show and this thread doesn't have a reason to exist.) NBA2k finally gave us a mode that worked, even if it was an imperfect version, and I enjoyed the living hell out of it this year. It's not a dead mode, it's one that SDS has made a conscious decision to leave behind. I don't like that decision, but I don't begrudge it either. What I find a little offensive is the constant side stepping they do of direct questions about it, leaving fans in the dark. Just tell us, "No new features but we fixed some bugs" or even "Listen, it hasn't been touched at all and isn't a priority right now. Expect the same experience as '16." That way, no one goes into the game on the 28th with unreasonable expectations and a reason to be so angry.

Lastly, I'm sorry but to tell people who post here that their anger is not justified (as long as it is presented in a adult, responsible manner) is a bad look from a moderator. A year ago, a different moderator was protecting this thread from outsiders telling us that it was our place to converse about our mode and that people should leave it be. This year, you are offering up nothing for us and telling us that our feelings aren't justified and making us sound like unreasonable trolls. I find that troubling. As a moderator, you should be patrolling for offensive content or rules violations. If you start policing thought, based on what you feel is or isn't productive, then there is no point of these boards. SDS is makes a great game but they don't need to be protected from people when they do things that are less than above board and that is what happened here. As long as that is presented by users with an amount of respect, People shouldn't be told to "put away their anger."

Please consider this point as we continue to try and make OS a home for everyone, not just those you agree with you.

[Millennium]

Re: Online Franchise

I have been a member of this site for a long time and usually lurk and don't post. However, I had to jump in to tell you how wrong & on a some level irresponsible this post is.

First off, RTTS has been getting updates year over year, so that argument mean very little. Second, I don't think that you are understanding the plight of the users here at all. We aren't asking for big updates or even for a similar feature set to offline. We are asking for game breaking bugs that prevent us from completing seasons and brick our universes to be fixed. Moreover, some of us aren't even asking for that; We are asking for a confirmation that our mode is a member of the walking dead so that we can save our $60 if we choose to go that route. For a game/studio that touts it's transparency with it's users, That's not a lot.

I also don't understand your logic in saying that Online Franchise being "on the bottom of the pile" for every sports franchise. That's just not true. Rex has been saying all year since Madden 17 came out that "CFM is not where we need it to be" and that work would be going into it. (If you say well, that's Offline as well, my answer would be that's great, do that in the Show and this thread doesn't have a reason to exist.) NBA2k finally gave us a mode that worked, even if it was an imperfect version, and I enjoyed the living hell out of it this year. It's not a dead mode, it's one that SDS has made a conscious decision to leave behind. I don't like that decision, but I don't begrudge it either. What I find a little offensive is the constant side stepping they do of direct questions about it, leaving fans in the dark. Just tell us, "No new features but we fixed some bugs" or even "Listen, it hasn't been touched at all and isn't a priority right now. Expect the same experience as '16." That way, no one goes into the game on the 28th with unreasonable expectations and a reason to be so angry.

Lastly, I'm sorry but to tell people who post here that their anger is not justified (as long as it is presented in a adult, responsible manner) is a bad look from a moderator. A year ago, a different moderator was protecting this thread from outsiders telling us that it was our place to converse about our mode and that people should leave it be. This year, you are offering up nothing for us and telling us that our feelings aren't justified and making us sound like unreasonable trolls. I find that troubling. As a moderator, you should be patrolling for offensive content or rules violations. If you start policing thought, based on what you feel is or isn't productive, then there is no point of these boards. SDS is makes a great game but they don't need to be protected from people when they do things that are less than above board and that is what happened here. As long as that is presented by users with an amount of respect, People shouldn't be told to "put away their anger."

Please consider this point as we continue to try and make OS a home for everyone, not just those you agree with you.

First - I'm not a moderator. I'm the forum admin. So the direction of this forum is mine as are the moderator decisions. A mod protected this thread last year on my request because the thread was actually productive. This year it's been destructive when this site has ALWAYS said it shouldn't be.

Second - Rex said CFM isn't where it need to be. That's says NOTHING about the amount of gamers playing the mode. Apples to oranges, and Sony has ALWAYS been more 'close to the vest' with design decisions. That isn't the devs fault - they can't talk about what they aren't allowed to talk about.

Third - I'm not policing thought. I'm giving you a point to of view on game design decisions. What I police is how you handle your thoughts on this website. I'm not protecting SIE. This specific website does not allow people to voice their anger in destructive ways. Never has and never will. I will give you links to places you can do that if you want, and gladly send you there.

Most of the anger hasn't been presented in an adult manner, it's been presented as attacks on developers. Appreciate the time you put into your post but your thoughts have some invalid points in them when referring to OS.

Oh - and regarding RTTS - read every review of 16. Most will tell you "RTTS is showing its age and sorely in need of an update".

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[ssj3alucard]

Re: Online Franchise

First - I'm not a moderator. I'm the forum admin. So the direction of this forum is mine as are the moderator decisions. A mod protected this thread last year on my request because the thread was actually productive. This year it's been destructive when this site has ALWAYS said it shouldn't be.

Second - Rex said CFM isn't where it need to be. That's says NOTHING about the amount of gamers playing the mode. Apples to oranges, and Sony has ALWAYS been more 'close to the vest' with design decisions. That isn't the devs fault - they can't talk about what they aren't allowed to talk about.

Third - I'm not policing thought. I'm giving you a point to of view on game design decisions. What I police is how you handle your thoughts on this website. I'm not protecting SIE. This specific website does not allow people to voice their anger in destructive ways. Never has and never will. I will give you links to places you can do that if you want, and gladly send you there.

Most of the anger hasn't been presented in an adult manner, it's been presented as attacks on developers. Appreciate the time you put into your post but your thoughts have some invalid points in them when referring to OS.

Oh - and regarding RTTS - read every review of 16. Most will tell you "RTTS is showing its age and sorely in need of an update".

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Sir, I feel like you think there is a level of aggression here where there is not. I want to make that clear first. There is not. Pulling Rank or whatever happened in your first paragraph is not the question. There has been a number of people who are not productive but I feel you put the entire thread on notice for a tone that isn't too different from what it was last year. Last year, there were bad apples as well but they don't define the entire thread. Rather than attacking a small percentage of your user base, I would love for you to let the discussion happen more organically even letting a reasonable level of "venting" of our frustration. (Please notice that I said reasonable. All caps and curse words and threats are not reasonable. Saying that the mode has been abandoned, which it is hard to agrue that it has not, is not degrading the developer.) As for other options, sir, I have been on OS since 2005 and have never had a conversation like this before. I think that alone should give you reason to look around and maybe self-evaluate.

Once, again, we aren't talking about the "no one is playing it" narrative because that is going to dissolve into a chicken & egg argument that has no defined solution. Rex said that the mode would continue to get development resources (indirectly, that's not a quote.) That's the point. It isn't an afterthought like you had originally pointed out. However, once again, I want to specify the VERY LITTLE that most are asking for. Simply bug fixes would appease a very large percentage of us. RTTS showed it's age without a doubt. The code was updated however. At least little, but feature based changes. That's the point we are attempting to make. The code for OF has been ignored, outside of fixing one or two bugs last year, that weren't even the biggest ones. That is the frustration.

Lastly, again, I don't have a problem with you policing specific users, the post I quoted my original suggestion sounds an awful lot like a mandate to the users here to quit expecting things. I hope you understand why I believe that is a dangerous precedent for those who have been loyal, loyal, loyal members but might see this thread turning into something we don't love. As I said in my first post, I don't love the decision to abandon the mode, but I accept it and understand it from a sense of opportunity cost for SDS. I just wish there was someone on SDS's side confirming that I should not be EXPECTING changes. That would save me & many others the frustration & in some cases, money. Also, I can't help but feel like I have been lumped in with those people posting irresponsibly, which is not fair to those of us who are providing concise thoughts.

The conversation about this topic should be allowed to happen.

Once again, I ask that rather than feel attacked by this, you use it self-evaluate what you posted originally. OS has long been a home for me and those of my ilk. Please don't break that apart.

Thank you. Have an excellent night.

[Millennium]

Re: Online Franchise

Sir, I feel like you think there is a level of aggression here where there is not. I want to make that clear first. There is not. Pulling Rank or whatever happened in your first paragraph is not the question. There has been a number of people who are not productive but I feel you put the entire thread on notice for a tone that isn't too different from what it was last year. Last year, there were bad apples as well but they don't define the entire thread. Rather than attacking a small percentage of your user base, I would love for you to let the discussion happen more organically even letting a reasonable level of "venting" of our frustration. (Please notice that I said reasonable. All caps and curse words and threats are not reasonable. Saying that the mode has been abandoned, which it is hard to agrue that it has not, is not degrading the developer.) As for other options, sir, I have been on OS since 2005 and have never had a conversation like this before. I think that alone should give you reason to look around and maybe self-evaluate.

Once, again, we aren't talking about the "no one is playing it" narrative because that is going to dissolve into a chicken & egg argument that has no defined solution. Rex said that the mode would continue to get development resources (indirectly, that's not a quote.) That's the point. It isn't an afterthought like you had originally pointed out. However, once again, I want to specify the VERY LITTLE that most are asking for. Simply bug fixes would appease a very large percentage of us. RTTS showed it's age without a doubt. The code was updated however. At least little, but feature based changes. That's the point we are attempting to make. The code for OF has been ignored, outside of fixing one or two bugs last year, that weren't even the biggest ones. That is the frustration.

Lastly, again, I don't have a problem with you policing specific users, the post I quoted my original suggestion sounds an awful lot like a mandate to the users here to quit expecting things. I hope you understand why I believe that is a dangerous precedent for those who have been loyal, loyal, loyal members but might see this thread turning into something we don't love. As I said in my first post, I don't love the decision to abandon the mode, but I accept it and understand it from a sense of opportunity cost for SDS. I just wish there was someone on SDS's side confirming that I should not be EXPECTING changes. That would save me & many others the frustration & in some cases, money. Also, I can't help but feel like I have been lumped in with those people posting irresponsibly, which is not fair to those of us who are providing concise thoughts.

The conversation about this topic should be allowed to happen.

Once again, I ask that rather than feel attacked by this, you use it self-evaluate what you posted originally. OS has long been a home for me and those of my ilk. Please don't break that apart.

Thank you. Have an excellent night.

And here is what I ask - re-read me original post you quoted. Then re-read that last 100 posts in this thread and understand that that productivity of the thread since the LiveStream has been near zero.

I didn't pull rank - you said another moderator "protected" this thread. I was explaining to you that I, as the leader of this forum, had them do that because the nature of the thread was different. Also remember not more than 3 days ago I had to shut this entire forum down due to the negativity and ignoring mods warnings.

This isn't isolated. And this thread was a proper example of that. My explanation is words that needed to be said (as are the ones in the thread at the top of this forum).

Lastly - Madden can update CFM because the multi player and single player of the modes are one and the same. Online and offline franchise in The Show are not. Again - apples to oranges.

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[ssj3alucard]

Re: Online Franchise

And here is what I ask - re-read me original post you quoted. Then re-read that last 100 posts in this thread and understand that that productivity of the thread since the LiveStream has been near zero.

I didn't pull rank - you said another moderator "protected" this thread. I was explaining to you that I, as the leader of this forum, had them do that because the nature of the thread was different. Also remember not more than 3 days ago I had to shut this entire forum down due to the negativity and ignoring mods warnings.

This isn't isolated. And this thread was a proper example of that. My explanation is words that needed to be said (as are the ones in the thread at the top of this forum).

Lastly - Madden can update CFM because the multi player and single player of the modes are one and the same. Online and offline franchise in The Show are not. Again - apples to oranges.

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I don't want to waste both of our times here so, I hope to clear it all up here. I think we have a fundamental disagreement here. I simply don't see a lot of difference between the tone here these last couple of days and last year. There is still good discussion happening between the nonsense, which has always existed.

I understand the difference between Madden CFM & OF in The Show. What I am saying is that the mode is much higher priority for EA. That's it. I very much understand the technical differences, I just want to point out that EA made the choice to make it one mode with the intent to invest in it. Those resources could easily be used for MUT but aren't because that's the choice they made, just like the choice made during the original construction of OF was to keep it separate, and the choice since has been to dedicate very little to it. I also understand the difference in team size but if we can get accurate new balance cleats, we should be able to get some QA and bug fixes.

Moreover, I read the post on the main forum that locked it for an hour. I have to say that I'm disappointed. I saw all the support you received for it but I have to tell you that had I been a part of the discussion at the point, I would have felt like I was being lumped in with trolls and malcontents, which I hope it's clear that I am not. Moreover, I continue to believe that the tone of the discussion, even if that is anger, should not be policed as long as the behavior does not breach a level of reason. If there is that much anger, the answer simply cannot be "These guys don't appreciate anything!" There has to be at least something to it and the conversation can often serve as a bandage for that wound. I would feel a bit betrayed if that was taken away. As for the difference between "positive" & "negative" discussion, you are talking to a guy with a PMA (Positive Mental Attitude) tattoo, but I don't think reasonable people having a discussion about design decisions (which was happening as recently as 3/10 in this thread) is negativity.

I respect both you & SDS. I want to make that clear. You do an amazing amount here and deserve to be applauded for that. I simply think that you may have had a mis-step here. I felt it necessary to try and voice that opinion for those of us who are upset, and may be misrepresented as part of what you are trying to stop.

[Millennium]

Re: Online Franchise

I don't want to waste both of our times here so, I hope to clear it all up here. I think we have a fundamental disagreement here. I simply don't see a lot of difference between the tone here these last couple of days and last year. There is still good discussion happening between the nonsense, which has always existed.

I understand the difference between Madden CFM & OF in The Show. What I am saying is that the mode is much higher priority for EA. That's it. I very much understand the technical differences, I just want to point out that EA made the choice to make it one mode with the intent to invest in it. Those resources could easily be used for MUT but aren't because that's the choice they made, just like the choice made during the original construction of OF was to keep it separate, and the choice since has been to dedicate very little to it. I also understand the difference in team size but if we can get accurate new balance cleats, we should be able to get some QA and bug fixes.

Moreover, I read the post on the main forum that locked it for an hour. I have to say that I'm disappointed. I saw all the support you received for it but I have to tell you that had I been a part of the discussion at the point, I would have felt like I was being lumped in with trolls and malcontents, which I hope it's clear that I am not. Moreover, I continue to believe that the tone of the discussion, even if that is anger, should not be policed as long as the behavior does not breach a level of reason. If there is that much anger, the answer simply cannot be "These guys don't appreciate anything!" There has to be at least something to it and the conversation can often serve as a bandage for that wound. I would feel a bit betrayed if that was taken away. As for the difference between "positive" & "negative" discussion, you are talking to a guy with a PMA (Positive Mental Attitude) tattoo, but I don't think reasonable people having a discussion about design decisions (which was happening as recently as 3/10 in this thread) is negativity.

I respect both you & SDS. I want to make that clear. You do an amazing amount here and deserve to be applauded for that. I simply think that you may have had a mis-step here. I felt it necessary to try and voice that opinion for those of us who are upset, and may be misrepresented as part of what you are trying to stop.

Agreed that we have a disagreement that will not be fixed. You feel it was a mis-step, and I have seen the discussion on this board become more productive since my actions.

Have a good night.

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[eric7064]

Re: Online Franchise

Hmm, I'd like to know where the thread has been destructive this year? Every thread can have a few bad apple that go over the line. And OS does a fine job of letting the person know. By saying it's been destructive this year implies that a lot of the discussion you feel is destructive, which I feel has not been the case.

That's why I made this thread over a year ago. The Online franchise guys would voice there frustration in franchise threads and many offline guys would comment somewhat negatively towards us, as if it didn't matter, or that nobody cared. Even happened this year in some threads. So this is a place where we can talk about it, where we don't have to feel were "annoying " the rest of the franchise community. Which is what the vibe can often feel like.

[redsfan4life]

Re: Online Franchise

Online Franchise supporters are as diehard as it gets. We are frustrated and feel disrespected because it's been so long since they've even addressed the mode. Last year was the absolute WORST it's ever been so I guess alot of us are already not in the mood to deal with much more of the bugs/glitches. I don't think anything I've read here looks out of line tbh. Just my two cents.

[CrimsionXBL]

Re: Online Franchise

We have ALWAYS said that disparaging developers (and even other users) is not tolerated.

We have also ALWAYS said that angry posting is frowned upon.

We have also ALWAYS said that you should be constructive with criticism.

None of this is new, and you've been here for 5 years.

Sir, I feel like you think there is a level of aggression here where there is not. I want to make that clear first. There is not. Pulling Rank or whatever happened in your first paragraph is not the question. There has been a number of people who are not productive but I feel you put the entire thread on notice for a tone that isn't too different from what it was last year. Last year, there were bad apples as well but they don't define the entire thread. Rather than attacking a small percentage of your user base, I would love for you to let the discussion happen more organically even letting a reasonable level of "venting" of our frustration. (Please notice that I said reasonable. All caps and curse words and threats are not reasonable. Saying that the mode has been abandoned, which it is hard to agrue that it has not, is not degrading the developer.) As for other options, sir, I have been on OS since 2005 and have never had a conversation like this before. I think that alone should give you reason to look around and maybe self-evaluate.

Once, again, we aren't talking about the "no one is playing it" narrative because that is going to dissolve into a chicken & egg argument that has no defined solution. Rex said that the mode would continue to get development resources (indirectly, that's not a quote.) That's the point. It isn't an afterthought like you had originally pointed out. However, once again, I want to specify the VERY LITTLE that most are asking for. Simply bug fixes would appease a very large percentage of us. RTTS showed it's age without a doubt. The code was updated however. At least little, but feature based changes. That's the point we are attempting to make. The code for OF has been ignored, outside of fixing one or two bugs last year, that weren't even the biggest ones. That is the frustration.

Lastly, again, I don't have a problem with you policing specific users, the post I quoted my original suggestion sounds an awful lot like a mandate to the users here to quit expecting things. I hope you understand why I believe that is a dangerous precedent for those who have been loyal, loyal, loyal members but might see this thread turning into something we don't love. As I said in my first post, I don't love the decision to abandon the mode, but I accept it and understand it from a sense of opportunity cost for SDS. I just wish there was someone on SDS's side confirming that I should not be EXPECTING changes. That would save me & many others the frustration & in some cases, money. Also, I can't help but feel like I have been lumped in with those people posting irresponsibly, which is not fair to those of us who are providing concise thoughts.

The conversation about this topic should be allowed to happen.

Once again, I ask that rather than feel attacked by this, you use it self-evaluate what you posted originally. OS has long been a home for me and those of my ilk. Please don't break that apart.

Thank you. Have an excellent night.

I understand where you're coming from and as an admin if you feel that it's getting out of hand then we have no choice but to tone it down.

I know you guys keep an eye on this stuff and I appreciate your time and effort put into that, with that being said I hope we can continue to be constructive here and potentially garner some more positive attention from the team and the community

Like you said in a previous post there may still be changes within the mode, the likelihood that they cover them in another stream however I feel is very slim.

Again, just my two cents, I feel as if this thread only shows SDS how important this mode is to us, yes I have been critical of them at times but never dragging them through the mud and back, looking forward to what we can come up with in the future.

[DounteOnlFranchises]

Re: Online Franchise

I have been a member of this site for a long time and usually lurk and don't post. However, I had to jump in to tell you how wrong & on a some level irresponsible this post is.

First off, RTTS has been getting updates year over year, so that argument mean very little. Second, I don't think that you are understanding the plight of the users here at all. We aren't asking for big updates or even for a similar feature set to offline. We are asking for game breaking bugs that prevent us from completing seasons and brick our universes to be fixed. Moreover, some of us aren't even asking for that; We are asking for a confirmation that our mode is a member of the walking dead so that we can save our $60 if we choose to go that route. For a game/studio that touts it's transparency with it's users, That's not a lot.

I also don't understand your logic in saying that Online Franchise being "on the bottom of the pile" for every sports franchise. That's just not true. Rex has been saying all year since Madden 17 came out that "CFM is not where we need it to be" and that work would be going into it. (If you say well, that's Offline as well, my answer would be that's great, do that in the Show and this thread doesn't have a reason to exist.) NBA2k finally gave us a mode that worked, even if it was an imperfect version, and I enjoyed the living hell out of it this year. It's not a dead mode, it's one that SDS has made a conscious decision to leave behind. I don't like that decision, but I don't begrudge it either. What I find a little offensive is the constant side stepping they do of direct questions about it, leaving fans in the dark. Just tell us, "No new features but we fixed some bugs" or even "Listen, it hasn't been touched at all and isn't a priority right now. Expect the same experience as '16." That way, no one goes into the game on the 28th with unreasonable expectations and a reason to be so angry.

Lastly, I'm sorry but to tell people who post here that their anger is not justified (as long as it is presented in a adult, responsible manner) is a bad look from a moderator. A year ago, a different moderator was protecting this thread from outsiders telling us that it was our place to converse about our mode and that people should leave it be. This year, you are offering up nothing for us and telling us that our feelings aren't justified and making us sound like unreasonable trolls. I find that troubling. As a moderator, you should be patrolling for offensive content or rules violations. If you start policing thought, based on what you feel is or isn't productive, then there is no point of these boards. SDS is makes a great game but they don't need to be protected from people when they do things that are less than above board and that is what happened here. As long as that is presented by users with an amount of respect, People shouldn't be told to "put away their anger."

Please consider this point as we continue to try and make OS a home for everyone, not just those you agree with you.

You sir have some big balls lmao.... Ive seen guys get banned for thinking about posting what you just said.... Now, don't get me wrong when I say that moderators/admins shouldn't police important threads like these but seriously, this is a cry... It's our only thread ( ONLINE FRANCHISE COMMUNITY ) to voice our concerns pertaining to this mode... I'm just saying that maybe if guys understand that people are legitimate diehard fans and their passion for this mode may come off a little backwards when it comes to OS rules... Really? You guys should be the first to understand this... Even though guys are constantly jawing about being in bed with Sony SanDiego, it's irrelevant!!! I got banned in the Twitch chat for asking about " CHALLENGING PLAYS " online so I definitely need this thread! Think about it....

[Dolenz]

Re: Online Franchise

while single player franchise is the most and Diamond Dynasty brings in the most revenue. And this isn't skewed numbers because some games are missing the mode - even when NHL had GM Connected it was the least played. Hell - RTTS was not fully updated until the overhaul this year.

Is this correct? I don't think Single player franchise is "the most" played. Didn't Ramone give us stats last year stating that RTTS was the most played with DD coming up fast? I think he also gave us info on the numbers...

From last years Franchise stream at about the 42 minute mark. What I just heard was

- 45,000 people played online franchise while 500,000 played offline.
- There is one programmer that handles both online and offline franchise and the code base for the two versions are completely different.

I don't have time to find the answer to the question about the most played modes. I am not even sure which video it was where it was answered.

[mets718]

Re: Online Franchise

Is this correct? I don't think Single player franchise is "the most" played. Didn't Ramone give us stats last year stating that RTTS was the most played with DD coming up fast? I think he also gave us info on the numbers...



From last years Franchise stream at about the 42 minute mark. What I just heard was



- 45,000 people played online franchise while 500,000 played offline.

- There is one programmer that handles both online and offline franchise and the code base for the two versions are completely different.



I don't have time to find the answer to the question about the most played modes. I am not even sure which video it was where it was answered.

The key note I see here and this is not to bash the programmer who does offline Franchise but why not hire one more guy to the team who can focus on Online Franchise or assist the guy who handles offline Franchise?

I'm pretty sure it can be done without breaking the bank. Haha


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[CrimsionXBL]

Re: Online Franchise

The key note I see here and this is not to bash the programmer who does offline Franchise but why not hire one more guy to the team who can focus on Online Franchise or assist the guy who handles offline Franchise?

I'm pretty sure it can be done without breaking the bank. Haha


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You'd think so, but who knows what the team has inline for a budget and what not and how sales affect how their budget increases or decreases year by year.

Still I suppose we can hold out hope for some of the bugs being addressed, such as DHs not playing while simming games, sending players down to the minors with big contracts and reverting them to small one-year deals, player stamina and injuries, so on and so forth.

Guess we won't find out until we get our hands on it ourselves unless we're lucky enough to get some answers beforehand