MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[kenp86]

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Sorry for the delay guys. as I stated, I'm starting year 3 and looking to get rid of Kyle seager. Can't hit with him through two years and his defense is horrendous.

Here are his numbers from year two:
36/89/.279

What am I looking at value wise for him?

[GamecocksLaw17]

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First year of a new franchise as the Rockies.

Coming up on the deadline, Cardinals are the 2nd Wild Card team. Grichuck is out for the year.

CarGo hitting .313 with 17 HR

Do you think they would part with Reyes for CarGo in a 1 for 1 swap?

I'm having a tough time finding a good landing spot for him.

CarGo isn't going to net you a top-10 prospect like Reyes. You'll have to look a bit lower. Top 100 is absolutely possible, but Reyes is aiming too high

[RogueHominid]

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How likely is it that Baez gets traded?

I'm trying to figure out if the Cubs are trying to pump up his value and ship him off for pitching IRL, or if they're playing him because they're committed to finding a long-term spot for him somewhere.

[nyqu1st]

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How likely is it that Baez gets traded?

I'm trying to figure out if the Cubs are trying to pump up his value and ship him off for pitching IRL, or if they're playing him because they're committed to finding a long-term spot for him somewhere.

Whichever one fits their agenda, I believe. If the right deal comes along then I think the Cubs would pull the trigger as he's sort of a luxury to have with AddRuss at SS and Zobrist still on the books for 4 years at 2B (although he can play elsewhere).

[nyqu1st]

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Hey i ended up making this trade

Archer + Gillaspie

for

Homer + Ventura + Herrera

Are you TB? By 'Homer' did you mean Hosmer? If so then KC got shafted. Bad trade.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Are you TB? By 'Homer' did you mean Hosmer? If so then KC got shafted. Bad trade.

How is a 5 WAR pitcher on team friendly deal for 1.5 years of Hosmer getting shafted?

[rovert22044]

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Are you TB? By 'Homer' did you mean Hosmer? If so then KC got shafted. Bad trade.

Actually seems like TB got shafted, in my opinion.

[AeyJ_23]

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Are you TB? By 'Homer' did you mean Hosmer? If so then KC got shafted. Bad trade.

Hosmer* sorry about the typo. From info i got seemed to be a good trade with the edge kinda going to KC in the deal.

How is a 5 WAR pitcher on team friendly deal for 1.5 years of Hosmer getting shafted?

Thanks for the help

Actually seems like TB got shafted, in my opinion.

i didn't see what more the Rays could have got, this deal got them a first basemen for the next few years IF they can resign him, a young pitcher in Ventura on a team friendly deal with good upside but is down tending now and a back of the bullpen arm that can be the bridge to the 9th inning

The Rays fill 3 holes by sending away its best trade chip. didn't see getting more elsewhere

[RogueHominid]

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Whichever one fits their agenda, I believe. If the right deal comes along then I think the Cubs would pull the trigger as he's sort of a luxury to have with AddRuss at SS and Zobrist still on the books for 4 years at 2B (although he can play elsewhere).

Yeah, I actually think they value Zobrist more, and they have other players who are also going to be competing for any OF spots that become available. Almora, McKinney, Alcantara--all those guys seem to be in the plans. It feels like Baez is the odd man out, despite his talent.

I'm not a Cubs insider, though, so I'm not 100% sure.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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How is a 5 WAR pitcher on team friendly deal for 1.5 years of Hosmer getting shafted?

I don't think you can label a guy who achieved 5 fWAR in exactly one of his 4 MLB seasons so far (he ain't doing it this year obviously) as a "5 WAR pitcher".

I'm not sure why Archer is suddenly the darling of this thread (best pitching value in baseball?, c'mon son..anyone heard of Noah Syndergaard to name just one), but I think people are a bit high on him for a career 3.50 FIP pitcher who only strikes people out at an above average clip while his BB-rate and HR-rate are nothing special whatsoever.

[nyqu1st]

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How is a 5 WAR pitcher on team friendly deal for 1.5 years of Hosmer getting shafted?

Umm.. this wasn't a straight up trade.

Hoz is a top 10 first basemen, and a homegrown talent, who has already openly stated he wants to sign a long-term deal with the Royals. It would be a surprise to see him on the move. Not only that, but trading a younger pitcher with a under 4 career ERA who has shown flashes of being a solid #2 guy along with one of the better relievers in baseball is a bit much imo.

Yes, Archer is good. He's on a long term team friendly contract. He's also 4-7 with an almost 5 ERA right now. You don't give up Hoz+Ventura+Herrera for him. Why would a WS team gut their roster the next year for a guy who has given his word to re-sign, a hometown favorite, and someone who is arguably their best player? KC has proven by winning the WS that their pitching staff can get the job done even when they lack a true ace. Hoz's contract would cripple TB and they aren't contending in 1.5 years even with Hoz. If it aint broke don't fix it, let KC play this year out before you make any drastic changes at least.

[AeyJ_23]

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I don't think you can label a guy who achieved 5 fWAR in exactly one of his 4 MLB seasons so far (he ain't doing it this year obviously) as a "5 WAR pitcher".

I'm not sure why Archer is suddenly the darling of this thread (best pitching value in baseball?, c'mon son..anyone heard of Noah Syndergaard to name just one), but I think people are a bit high on him for a career 3.50 FIP pitcher who only strikes people out at an above average clip while his BB-rate and HR-rate are nothing special whatsoever.

All trades are done with the the hope the players involved get better or start reproducing past success ? If every player is written off after a bad season the turn over rate would be much higher.


Update: He did say that but his agent has a history of NEVER giving HOMETOWN discounts (he just signed Strasburg to a deal before free agency) Hosmer is a stud thats gonna get MASSIVE offers (top 10 1B) on the open market. Strasburg did not have that in his favor but did start pitching lights out so the deal looks great for Washington. Risk / Reward

plus all WS teams end up breaking up some way some how. Not to mention there out of it, can KC get an ACE any other way ???

[nyqu1st]

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All trades are done with the the hope the players involved get better or start reproducing past success ? If every player is written off after a bad season the turn over rate would be much higher..

You should evaluate based on some sort of pattern or average and not just look at an outlier. It's misleading to present Archer as a 5 WAR pitcher.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I don't think you can label a guy who achieved 5 fWAR in exactly one of his 4 MLB seasons so far (he ain't doing it this year obviously) as a "5 WAR pitcher".

I'm not sure why Archer is suddenly the darling of this thread (best pitching value in baseball?, c'mon son..anyone heard of Noah Syndergaard to name just one), but I think people are a bit high on him for a career 3.50 FIP pitcher who only strikes people out at an above average clip while his BB-rate and HR-rate are nothing special whatsoever.

I realize it wasn't a 1 for 1. Archer is under team control through 2021 and has shown he can be an ace. Hosmer is a 1st baseman that has topped 2 WAR twice, never broke 20 HRs and have 1.5 years of team control left. A small market like Tampa wouldn't want to give away all the value in Archer for a year and a half of a good but not "great" first baseman. Archer is likely worth Ventura and Hosmer and I think it was Gillespee is probably about right for Herrara. I was trying to show that KC didn't get "fleeced"

[nyqu1st]

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All trades are done with the the hope the players involved get better or start reproducing past success ? If every player is written off after a bad season the turn over rate would be much higher.


Update: He did say that but his agent has a history of NEVER giving HOMETOWN discounts (he just signed Strasburg to a deal before free agency) Hosmer is a stud thats gonna get MASSIVE offers (top 10 1B) on the open market. Strasburg did not have that in his favor but did start pitching lights out so the deal looks great for Washington. Risk / Reward

plus all WS teams end up breaking up some way some how. Not to mention there out of it, can KC get an ACE any other way ???

If you're so sure Hoz is getting a massive deal - if you think KC won't pony up the money then what make's you think one of the smallest markets in baseball would? Hoz's contract would cripple TB and their payroll. Also, dealing Archer and obtaining Hoz for 1.5 years doesn't put TB over as a World Series contending team, so why would they trade Archer for a rental?