MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[rtwilli4]

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So I made this trade, haven't gone any further so wouldn't mind some feedback from you guys while I could still switch it up if needed.

July 3, Astros lead the West by 11 games and the White Sox are one of the worst teams in the league.

Quintana (1.19 whip, 3.10 era)

For

Frances Martes
Derek Fisher
Miguelangel Sierra

I've read that the Sox are looking for OF bats so could send another OF from the Astros top ten instead of Sierra. I know they are stacked with pitching prospects but I think we all agree Quintana would demand the #1 prospect from any team.

What do you guys think?




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[GamecocksLaw17]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

So I made this trade, haven't gone any further so wouldn't mind some feedback from you guys while I could still switch it up if needed.

July 3, Astros lead the West by 11 games and the White Sox are one of the worst teams in the league.

Quintana (1.19 whip, 3.10 era)

For

Frances Martes
Derek Fisher
Miguelangel Sierra

I've read that the Sox are looking for OF bats so could send another OF from the Astros top ten instead of Sierra. I know they are stacked with pitching prospects but I think we all agree Quintana would demand the #1 prospect from any team.

What do you guys think?




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I think it's a little light. You probably needed to give Chicago a little more talent in return. You only gave one top 100 guy and a few fringe prospects

One 60 FV pitcher and two 45 FV hitters is only worth about $56 million in surplus which is very light for Quintana. That's the type of package that could get you someone like Darvish, a rental thats an ace but not a pitcher with so much cheap team control.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/valui...100-prospects/ (look here to see the values of prospects)
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[rtwilli4]

MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

I think it's a little light. You probably needed to give Chicago a little more talent in return. You only gave one top 100 guy and a few fringe prospects

One 60 FV pitcher and two 45 FV hitters is only worth about $56 million in surplus which is very light for Quintana. That's the type of package that could get you someone like Darvish, a rental thats an ace but not a pitcher with so much cheap team control.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/valui...100-prospects/ (look here to see the values of prospects)
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Thanks for the help and the link. I'll have a look at that Fangraphs article... I've been using the MLB prospect list which has Fisher ranked at #72 but even then, I guess I didn't research Sierra very well; he's not on any top 100 list and is a 50 overall on MLB (20-80). He's a B potential with good ratings in my Hybrid roster though.

Maybe I could replace Sierra with Tucker?


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[GamecocksLaw17]

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Thanks for the help and the link. I'll have a look at that Fangraphs article... I've been using the MLB prospect list which has Fisher ranked at #72 but even then, I guess I didn't research Sierra very well; he's not on any top 100 list and is a 50 overall on MLB (20-80). He's a B potential with good ratings in my Hybrid roster though.

Maybe I could replace Sierra with Tucker?


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The earlier package the Sox wanted was Musgrove or Paulino, Martes and Tucker but the Astros wouldn't do it. I think Martes, Tucker and a lower end arm should do it

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[UNDERTAKER1215]

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As the Red Sox, I'm in the market mainly for a catcher and third baseman, but could also use a utility guy as Josh Rutledge and Brock Holt have both hit very poorly, though Matt Dominguez has provided a spark lately (.421, 3 HR, 9 RBI, 5 R, 9 G). I scouted a handful of players from a select few teams.

White Sox: Central - 9.0 GB/Wild Card - 0.5 GB
C Geovany Soto - 173 AB, 24 R, 8 HR, 26 RBI, 0 SB, .283
3B Todd Frazier - 234 AB, 33 R, 15 HR, 38 RBI, 5 SB, .252 AVG

Phillies: East - 4.5 GB/Wild Card - 2.0 GB
3B Maikel Franco - 243 AB, 36 R, 14 HR, 42 RBI, 0 SB, .255 AVG

Reds: Central - 9.5 GB/Wild Card - 9.5 GB
C Devin Mesoraco - 169 AB, 18 R, 5 HR, 20 RBI, 0 SB, .207 AVG
2B/3B Scooter Gennett - 202 AB, 26 R, 7 HR, 23 RBI, 3 SB, .267 AVG
SS Zack Cosart - 142 AB, 14 R, 2 HR, 14 RBI, 1 SB, .275 AVG
LF Adam Duvall - 236 AB, 27 R, 12 HR, 33 RBI, 0 SB, .220 AVG

Pirates: Central - 1.0 GB/Wild Card - 1.0 GB
2B/3B Josh Harrison - 246 AB, 25 R, 6 HR, 25 RBI, 3 SB, .240 AVG

Diamondbacks: West - 17.5 GB/Wild Card - 5.5 GB
3B Jake Lamb - 228 AB, 27 R, 12 HR, 35 RBI, 1 SB, .224 AVG
2B/3B Brandon Drury - 210 AB, 24 R, 7 HR, 18 RBI, 0 SB, .252 AVG

Padres: West - 22.0 GB/Wild Card - 10.0 GB
2B/3B Yangervis Solarte - 217 AB, 22 R, 7 HR, 20 RBI, 0 SB, .244 AVG
UTIL Cory Spangenberg - 159 AB, 14 R, 6 HR, 16 RBI, 2 SB, .245 AVG

Giants: West - 11.0 GB/Wild Card - Tied with Nationals for 1st
C Nick Hundley - 64 AB, 13 R, 6 HR, 12 RBI, 0 SB, .344 AVG

Now for a few of the players, their main position doesn't fall into C or 3B, but they've played it in the past or have been considered for it.

Gennett would be more a backup to any of the other 3B options, but would be a nice get I think.

Cosart is one of the big fish in this, as some have talked about his ability to play third. If people think he could make the transition, I would love to go after him, and be willing to consider Devers as a return if needed.

The Other big fish, at least for me anyways, is Jake Lamb. He's having a down year, but he's also on a losing team which doesn't help matters.

Duvall has only played four games as third in the majors, but did come up through the minors as a 3B, so I figure the transition back wouldn't be difficult, it would just be a matter of... does he have the range and ability to do it.

The Reds are my preferred trade partner if it makes sense. If it makes sense for both, I would love to get Mesoraco and Cosart, I know it would cost a bunch, but depending on who's in the return package, I would do it.

The Pirates are still in the thick of things so they're less likely, but I wasn't sure where Harrison has struggled, and Alen Hanson has hit well, granted in a limited sample size, whether they would consider moving Harrison to open up playing time for Hanson.

Notable pieces I'd be willing to give up are...

SP Eduardo Rodriguez - 2-6, 64.2 IP, 3 BB, 44 K, 5.01 ERA, 1.30 WHIP
C Blake Swihart
C Christian Vazquez - 72 AB, 6 R, 0 HR, 2 RBI, 0 SB, .222 AVG
C Sandy Leon - 129 AB, 11 R, 1 HR, 8 RBI, 0 SB, .233 AVG
3B Rafael Devers
CF Jackie Bradley Jr. - 240 AB, 25 R, 6 HR, 14 RBI, 18 SB, .275 AVG

E-Rod started the season on fire with a sub-2.75 ERA, but hit a rut in his last few starts, being hammered around. I know Leon doesn't have a ton of trade value, but he does provide an OK bat with two more seasons of control. Swihart has fallen off a bit, but still does have some upside. If I did have to give up Bradley to the Reds, I would need to look for another everyday left fielder as Beni would shift back to center, which could I suppose, turn into Duvall.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

[Worldserieswinner28]

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Could I get kyle schwarber onto the yankees for Tanaka? Schwarber is hitting .226 with 13 HRs 29 RBIs but a terrible amount of 9 errors for an outfielder. Tanaka is 8-4 3.12 ERA which would be the best for the cubs as their pitching staff seems to be in the same slump as IRL. I know Tanaka can opt out of his contract at the end of the year but in my season he has I think 5 years left on his deal before free agency since that is how OSFM rosters have it. Looking to replace holliday since he is out for the season and want a DH and that is where schwarber needs to go be and I think everyone is starting to realize the boy cant play the field.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Could I get kyle schwarber onto the yankees for Tanaka? Schwarber is hitting .226 with 13 HRs 29 RBIs but a terrible amount of 9 errors for an outfielder. Tanaka is 8-4 3.12 ERA which would be the best for the cubs as their pitching staff seems to be in the same slump as IRL. I know Tanaka can opt out of his contract at the end of the year but in my season he has I think 5 years left on his deal before free agency since that is how OSFM rosters have it. Looking to replace holliday since he is out for the season and want a DH and that is where schwarber needs to go be and I think everyone is starting to realize the boy cant play the field.

Not even close. The Cubs aren't trading Schwarber for a pitcher with no team control. They'd move him for Archer instead since Archer is cheaper and better
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[Worldserieswinner28]

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Not even close. The Cubs aren't trading Schwarber for a pitcher with no team control. They'd move him for Archer instead since Archer is cheaper and better
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Tanaka has 5 years left of contract. I had thought Schwarber has lost quite a bit of value with the stat line but if the 5 years of Tanaka is not even close then ill move on to someone else.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Tanaka has 5 years left of contract. I had thought Schwarber has lost quite a bit of value with the stat line but if the 5 years of Tanaka is not even close then ill move on to someone else.

Hard to give fair or realistic opinions with a mythical 5 year contract that isn't real and we have no clue how much it's for.

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[Worldserieswinner28]

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Hard to give fair or realistic opinions with a mythical 5 year contract that isn't real and we have no clue how much it's for.

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It is based off if he does not opt out is probably what OSFM is going off of. I completely get one year of Tanaka is not close but didnt know if the 5 years of him would push the cubs to do the deal with how much of a liability Schwarber is in the game and in real life at that.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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It is based off if he does not opt out is probably what OSFM is going off of.

Okay then his real life deal if he doesn't opt out is 4 years $89 million and a full no trade clause. Archer is 5 years $38.5 million. Which is a whole lot more valuable. But going back to Tanaka he's been a 3.3 WAR pitcher his 3 years in the MLB and he's already 28. Let's say he keeps up that average.

4 x 3.3 x 10 = $132 million - $89 for a surplus of $43 million.

Schwarber is worth a lot more than $43 million in surplus. For a full contract Tanaka you could get a 55FV position prospect and a lotto ticket. He's not as valuable as people would think

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[Worldserieswinner28]

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Okay then his real life deal if he doesn't opt out is 4 years $89 million and a full no trade clause. Archer is 5 years $38.5 million. Which is a whole lot more valuable. But going back to Tanaka he's been a 3.3 WAR pitcher his 3 years in the MLB and he's already 28. Let's say he keeps up that average.

4 x 3.3 x 10 = $132 million - $89 for a surplus of $43 million.

Schwarber is worth a lot more than $43 million in surplus. For a full contract Tanaka you could get a 55FV position prospect and a lotto ticket. He's not as valuable as people would think

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What is Schwarber's value? Steamer has him at 1.2 WAR for this year and I doubt that happens since he currently sits at -.1? Just curious so I get the most accurate trade possible.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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What is Schwarber's value? Steamer has him at 1.2 WAR for this year and I doubt that happens since he currently sits at -.1? Just curious so I get the most accurate trade possible.

The Cubs aren't selling him low. If you want to use real life for him you have to for Tanaka too who is pitching like trash. But the Cubs still view him as an elite hitter and someone they won't want to deal. He's only get traded for an elite pitcher on a multi year contract that's either team friendly or through arbitration

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[Worldserieswinner28]

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The Cubs aren't selling him low. If you want to use real life for him you have to for Tanaka too who is pitching like trash. But the Cubs still view him as an elite hitter and someone there won't deal. He's only get traded for an elite pitcher on a multi year contract that's either team friendly or through arbitration

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Im also using my stats in my game where he sits at .2 WAR. I am wanting to use my franchise stats and contracts since there is no way for me to edit contracts once franchise mode has been started. Schwarber is hitting poorly in my franchise while Tanaka has been actually pretty good. I am just giving you the information I have since this is a harder trade to guage. Like I said if it wouldnt make sense I am not making the trade but since it is difficult I thought I would bring it here to find my answer. If it is not enough then who do I add/or have to trade for him in his current state that I mentioned before.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Im also using my stats in my game where he sits at .2 WAR. I am wanting to use my franchise stats and contracts since there is no way for me to edit contracts once franchise mode has been started. Schwarber is hitting poorly in my franchise while Tanaka has been actually pretty good. I am just giving you the information I have since this is a harder trade to guage. Like I said if it wouldnt make sense I am not making the trade but since it is difficult I thought I would bring it here to find my answer. If it is not enough then who do I add/or have to trade for him in his current state that I mentioned before.

Like i mentioned previously when i gave surplus values Schwarber is more valuable than Tanaka. Tanaka is a very expensive pitcher and teams don't love to take on close to $100 million for a pitcher they didn't sign themselves. The Cubs also have to save some money for signing all their young guys. The Yankees don't have what the Cubs would want for Schwarber

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