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  • JBMillz14
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    • Jan 2017
    • 141

    #346
    Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

    Pretty sure I've seen starters go into the 8th with 2 ER


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    • JBMillz14
      Rookie
      • Jan 2017
      • 141

      #347
      Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

      Not positive though on any of these, but I don't think I've seen any guys get pulled with around 1 ER in the 5th
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      • BobSacamano
        Rookie
        • Feb 2010
        • 324

        #348
        Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

        I'm going to be pretty crushed if this is something they can't or don't want to fix. It's plainly apparent to me that there is an issue with bullpen logic, at the very least when playing Quick Count games. I could post screenshot after screenshot after screenshot of the same poor managerial logic being displayed, but I figure you guys would get sick of me.

        I know "game breaking" is an emotionally charged concept, but franchise mode with Quick Counts is the only way I play the game, and right now my results are really poor. I guess the next move would be to go back to playing full count games. That's not the end of the world, but I'll definitely play much less of the game, and I won't like it nearly as much, and that really bums me out.


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        • CaseIH
          MVP
          • Sep 2013
          • 3945

          #349
          Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

          Originally posted by BobSacamano
          I'm going to be pretty crushed if this is something they can't or don't want to fix. It's plainly apparent to me that there is an issue with bullpen logic, at the very least when playing Quick Count games. I could post screenshot after screenshot after screenshot of the same poor managerial logic being displayed, but I figure you guys would get sick of me.

          I know "game breaking" is an emotionally charged concept, but franchise mode with Quick Counts is the only way I play the game, and right now my results are really poor. I guess the next move would be to go back to playing full count games. That's not the end of the world, but I'll definitely play much less of the game, and I won't like it nearly as much, and that really bums me out.


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          I cant imagine them not fixing this issue. It does seem to be more of a issue with QC, so that tells me it should be able to be fixed, since not using QC, doesnt have the issue as much.

          I will be very disappointed if its not fixed, because I use QC, not so much to save time, I just get better OBP when using it, and I can draw a more realistic amount of walks using it. Without it, I struggle majorly to draw walks.
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          • Bullit
            Bacon is Better
            • Aug 2009
            • 5004

            #350
            Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

            Ok.. I have started a franchise just to test the SP and HR issues and I am sorry guys I am just not seeing it. I know this is a small sample and I will keep playing just to see if anything changes but here is what has happened so far.

            I am playing on All Star Default sliders and I am playing as the Padres.

            Game 1 Kershaw pulled in the Top of the 8th after 103 Pitches with a 2-1 lead. 1 Home run a piece neither over 420.

            Game 2 Hill pulled in the 7th after 85 pitches in a 2-1 game after giving up a walk and a double. 2 home runs both by Gutiérrez @ 442' and 425'

            Game 3 Maeda pulled in the 8th after 92 pitches leading 5-1. 2 Home runs Schimpf 442' and Puig 421'

            Game 4 Ryu pulled in the 7th with one out in a 2-1 ball game after 93 pitches after giving up a single with one out. 2 Home runs Turner for both at 392' and 409'

            Just an observation as well. I don't think some of those HR distances are accurate. According to the post dimensions of the field and where they landed. I think most of them should be 10' to 20' shorter/
            Last edited by Bullit; 04-11-2017, 07:32 AM.
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            • BobSacamano
              Rookie
              • Feb 2010
              • 324

              #351
              CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

              1) Are you playing with Quick Counts on?

              2) In the I'm-not-sure-how-many games that I've played in my franchise, the only pitchers who pitched into the 7th were either a) pitching a shutout, or b) studs like Kershaw.

              I'm not trying to be argumentative at all, it just totally boggles my mind that there are people playing the same game as I am that are not seeing this issue. It's literally every game that the CPU gets their bullpen involved by the 5th or 6th (if I'm lucky) inning. I don't know what to do.
              Last edited by BobSacamano; 04-11-2017, 07:47 AM.

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              • Bullit
                Bacon is Better
                • Aug 2009
                • 5004

                #352
                Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                Originally posted by BobSacamano
                1) Are you playing with Quick Counts on?

                2) In the I'm-not-sure-how-many games that I've played in my franchise, the only pitchers who pitched into the 7th were either a) pitching a shutout, or b) studs like Kershaw.

                I'm not trying to be argumentative at all, it just totally boggles my mind that there are people playing the same game as I am that are not seeing this issue. It's literally every game that the CPU gets their bullpen involved by the 5th or 6th (if I'm lucky) inning. I don't know what to do.
                No Quick Counts, No Quick Manage. Playing every inning default everything at All Star
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                • RogueHominid
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 10900

                  #353
                  Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                  Originally posted by Bullit
                  No Quick Counts, No Quick Manage. Playing every inning default everything at All Star
                  Yes, the QC appears to be the issue.

                  In limited testing with non-QC games, I was seeing what you saw: pitchers going 80+ and even 100 pitches into games, depending on context.

                  That's an encouraging sign, but for QC folks, it's cold comfort.

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                  • RoyceDa59
                    Chillin
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 3830

                    #354
                    Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                    Originally posted by Trojan Man
                    Yes, the QC appears to be the issue.

                    In limited testing with non-QC games, I was seeing what you saw: pitchers going 80+ and even 100 pitches into games, depending on context.

                    That's an encouraging sign, but for QC folks, it's cold comfort.
                    I really didn't notice this issue until I started playing RttS, it happens every game which and it is hindering my enjoyment of that mode a little bit.

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                    • BigOscar
                      MVP
                      • May 2016
                      • 2971

                      #355
                      Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                      Trailing 4-1 in the 9th, Yankees bring in Chapman for the save. Single to lead off, Longo grounds into a double play, Miller gets a single. So it's two outs, 3 run lead in the 9th with a man on first, Rickie Weeks at the plate, so what does the computer do? Pulls Chapman for Tyler Clippard for the righty-righty match up. Ridiculous, just ridiculous

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                      • loganmorrison1
                        Rookie
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 246

                        #356
                        Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                        I think I might have uncovered the problem in QC. When reading the strategy notes, it states that QC logic has to remove some pitches from the count otherwise the pitch count would be to high (I suggest reading the write up for a better description). What seems to have happened this year is that behind the scenes logic isn't working and the pitch counts in QC (not the visual counts we see, but the behind the scene logic) is not working properly


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                        • BeatArmy
                          Rookie
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 431

                          #357
                          Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                          Originally posted by Bullit
                          No Quick Counts, No Quick Manage. Playing every inning default everything at All Star
                          That's likely where the test falls apart: it would appear as though the QC are what's impacting pitcher usage more than anything.

                          I also wonder if it's a carryover thing. Are those of us seeing pitcher issues using a '16 franny?

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                          • BigOscar
                            MVP
                            • May 2016
                            • 2971

                            #358
                            Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                            Originally posted by loganmorrison1
                            I think I might have uncovered the problem in QC. When reading the strategy notes, it states that QC logic has to remove some pitches from the count otherwise the pitch count would be to high (I suggest reading the write up for a better description). What seems to have happened this year is that behind the scenes logic isn't working and the pitch counts in QC (not the visual counts we see, but the behind the scene logic) is not working properly


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                            Not convinced that is the problem to be honest, at least not as simple as that. QC's is designed to not count the final pitch of an at bat, but every other pitch is counted. So potentially that's somewhere between 12 and maybe 18 pitches that aren't counted in 4 innings if the pitcher is pitching well. That many extra pitches shouldn't be causing a pitcher to be tired as early as the 4th or 5th inning if they're going well.

                            If that was the problem, raising the starters stamina would also fix it or at least have a positive effect on it, but it doesn't because the pitcher doesn't seem to be being replaced due to tiredness.
                            Last edited by BigOscar; 04-11-2017, 01:32 PM.

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                            • BeatArmy
                              Rookie
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 431

                              #359
                              Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                              Originally posted by BigOscar
                              Not convinced that is the problem to be honest, at least not as simple as that. QC's is designed to not count the final pitch of an at bat, but every other pitch is counted. So potentially that's somewhere between 12 and maybe 18 pitches that aren't counted in 4 innings if the pitcher is pitching well. That many extra pitches shouldn't be causing a pitcher to be tired as early as the 4th or 5th inning if they're going well.

                              If that was the problem, raising the starters stamina would also fix it or at least have a positive effect on it, but it doesn't because the pitcher doesn't seem to be being replaced due to tiredness.

                              See, and I'm inclined to believe it's the QC accounting that's causing it. Notice that when your pitcher was player of the game in '16 that there'd be this monster pitch count under his name and you pulled him at 100 or so? "Stroman didn't throw 142 pitches, I pulled him at 105!" IF they're 75 in on QC and it's the fifth inning, there's a good chance the game's accounting has him at 100+ and thinks he's done instead of "looking" at the green bar or the game stats.

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                              • CleveCluby
                                Pro
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 808

                                #360
                                Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                                OK. Today I started a new franchise using the newest OSFM 1.5 rosters. Started at first week of season. Not using QC and using stock sliders. The only change I made was Allstar pitching and Veteran batting.

                                I simmed the first five games for all the teams, then picked 10 teams at random and checked the box scores of the five simmed games they played. That's a total of 50 team game box scores.

                                42 out of 50 games the starter went 5 inn or less regardless of score. Now you can debate that all you like. That tells me there is a problem.

                                If you have any doubts. Try this test yourself. It don't take long. I'd love to hear your results. So please, Instead of arguing or defending the SP issue, Try it yourself. Because 42 out of 50 games is absolutely not the normal.

                                Many seem to think that this is just a QC problem. I don't think simming is based on QC. But that is something I can't be sure of.

                                So again, All I ask is those that don't use QC. Do this test. See if you get different results.
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