No Season Mode?

[Blzer]

Re: No Season Mode?

I would have removed Retro Mode and Home Run Derby before removing Season mode and Online Franchise modes that's been there since the beginning.

Whoa whoa whoa, let's not play trade-offs here. I play those modes and would like those to stay as well.

[wheels2121]

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This is not true. They use telemetry statistics and are able to see how many minutes/seconds each mode has been played for.

Now for those who do not connect online, I am sure that may not count, but I highly doubt that number is remotely high enough to alter statistics in this gen of gaming.

I play this game somewhere around 200 hours each year (I play just about every game of the season, and often make the playoffs) and not one second of it is spent online. I'm older, so I bet I'm not the only one. But since they can't measure me or get me to buy their DD cards or whatever they are, I don't matter.

[kehlis]

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I play this game somewhere around 200 hours each year (I play just about every game of the season, and often make the playoffs) and not one second of it is spent online. I'm older, so I bet I'm not the only one. But since they can't measure me or get me to buy their DD cards or whatever they are, I don't matter.

It's not playing online though, it's if your connected at all.

If you are not connected and don't get any of the patches and roster updates your data would not be collected but you'd be in the minority.

Like you, I've only play online. I don't even have PS plus so I couldn't if I wanted to. But I am connected to the internet.

[wheels2121]

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It's not playing online though, it's if your connected at all.

If you are not connected and don't get any of the patches and roster updates your data would not be collected but you'd be in the minority.

Like you, I've only play online. I don't even have PS plus so I couldn't if I wanted to. But I am connected to the internet.

I do my roster updates myself. It always drives me NUTS that the sim engine doesn't keep the batting orders I make for every stinking team half the time.

[kehlis]

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I have to do my roster updates by hand, so I guess I'm in the minority on that part. I didn't even count the hours that takes me.

Yea, if you aren't connected to the internet your data wouldn't be considered but you are in the vast minority of users.

Important to note that there is nothing wrong with that, I would do it myself if I didn't want the patches and other updates but the number of users connected versus not connected is more than sufficient to gather data on that sample size.

[doctemple]

As I said in my post, I have heard SDS say that a large portion of their customers (many more than the “10”  you, bkrich 83, speak of) play season mode and franchise.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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I play this game somewhere around 200 hours each year (I play just about every game of the season, and often make the playoffs) and not one second of it is spent online. I'm older, so I bet I'm not the only one. But since they can't measure me or get me to buy their DD cards or whatever they are, I don't matter.

You don't have to play online mode, is your PS4 connected to the PlayStation Network?

That's how you get patches, rosters, etc., and update the game. The PlayStation Network can measure while you're connected to it what modes you are playing and for how long you're playing for.

You can play Road to the Show or Franchise offline your entire time, and they'll know it the moment you connect to the network.

Regardless, they can get their sample telemetry which would not fluctuate much if those strictly offline users are also counted.

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[kehlis]

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As I said in my post, I have heard SDS say that a large portion of their customers (many more than the “10” *you, bkrich 83, speak of) play season mode and franchise.

Not sure what you mean. No one has suggested that there isn't a large portion of players that play season and franchise.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Sony would do well to communicate exactly why they removed Season mode and why they didn't mention it at all before launch, and to do this before regular launch day on March 27th. If they go on letting people do non-refundable purchases over the weekend and then apologize on, say, March 28th that would make this thing stink even worse.

I think they can salvage this somewhat with: (1) a good, logical reason why they did it; (2) an apology; and (3) a vow to not remove a huge mode/feature again without some sort of warning (or a guarantee that if they do, you can get a refund).

This situation is far from ideal and people have already highlighted the very real reasons they preferred Season mode over the surviving modes, but the outrage will mostly pass as most figure out how to play Franchise mode with very little roster management. Some who wanted roster ports, smaller roster sizes, shorter seasons, etc just don't have any other options, however. That's very unfortunate.

Some will say this is a video game, they didn't shoot your dog or anything, so why so serious? But, misconstruing a product by omission of valuable information is kind of a big deal to consumers in eroding the trust they have in certain companies, brands, and products.

[Houston]

Re: No Season Mode?

Sony would do well to communicate exactly why they removed Season mode and why they didn't mention it at all before launch, and to do this before regular launch day on March 27th. If they go on letting people do non-refundable purchases over the weekend and then apologize on, say, March 28th that would make this thing stink even worse.

I think they can salvage this somewhat with: (1) a good, logical reason why they did it; (2) an apology; and (3) a vow to not remove a huge mode/feature again without some sort of warning (or a guarantee that if they do, you can get a refund).

This situation is far from ideal and people have already highlighted the very real reasons they preferred Season mode over the surviving modes, but the outrage will mostly pass as most figure out how to play Franchise mode with very little roster management. Some who wanted roster ports, smaller roster sizes, shorter seasons, etc just don't have any other options, however. That's very unfortunate.

Some will say this is a video game, they didn't shoot your dog or anything, so why so serious? But, misconstruing a product by omission of valuable information is kind of a big deal to consumers in eroding the trust they have in certain companies, brands, and products.

Well said. Now I get it why phases was done in the first place this year, The knew they were removing season mode never said anything, so they introduce phases to get people to play franchise who don't understand the full mode that preferred to play an easier option. They take away online franchise and season mode and break down franchise mode in phases to get people to either play it or forced to play DD.

[spike83]

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I don’t play season mode, but the fact it was taken out and NOT mentioned on a stream, or anywhere, is disappointing.


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That's what makes this thing rotten; no transparency. All very sinister. If it was announced before hand I believe it's something we could have all accepted (reluctantly) and then moved on.

Plain and simple this was a kick to the community's teeth.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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You don't have to play online mode, is your PS4 connected to the PlayStation Network?

That's how you get patches, rosters, etc., and update the game. The PlayStation Network can measure while you're connected to it what modes you are playing and for how long you're playing for.

You can play Road to the Show or Franchise offline your entire time, and they'll know it the moment you connect to the network.

Regardless, they can get their sample telemetry which would not fluctuate much if those strictly offline users are also counted.

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Not to take us too far off course here, but I keep hearing this telemetry data being referenced. I think we should account for the possibility that it's not actually perfect and that it could be making substantial miscounts. Maybe a small probability of this, but a nonzero one. We have no knowledge of how accurate this data might be. Anything about accuracy is totally speculative on our end.

Case in point, you know how we'd get those reward cards just for logging in and playing the game? Spaced out at certain intervals? In MLB 17, I would often get mine at odd, irregular intervals. Sometimes I would get no cards. Sometimes I would get a bunch of them. The timer that said "xx hr xx min" until next reward was often inaccurate and useless. We know for a fact they have had trouble with online servers and connectivity. Profound ones.

So, while we acknowledge that they are measuring us with this telemetry data (and what legitimate company isn't in the year 2018 lol), we can also acknowledge the possibility that it might or might not be that accurate of a measurement.

[nemesis04]

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Not to take us too far off course here, but I keep hearing this telemetry data being referenced. I think we should account for the possibility that it's not actually perfect and that it could be making substantial miscounts. Maybe a small probability of this, but a nonzero one. We have no knowledge of how accurate this data might be. Anything about accuracy is totally speculative on our end.

Case in point, you know how we'd get those reward cards just for logging in and playing the game? Spaced out at certain intervals? In MLB 17, I would often get mine at odd, irregular intervals. Sometimes I would get no cards. Sometimes I would get a bunch of them. The timer that said "xx hr xx min" until next reward was often inaccurate and useless. We know for a fact they have had trouble with online servers and connectivity. Profound ones.

So, while we acknowledge that they are measuring us with this telemetry data (and what legitimate company isn't in the year 2018 lol), we can also acknowledge the possibility that it might or might not be that accurate of a measurement.

I am sure the data is fine. It's the people analyzing the data and setting the course I question.

[EnigmaNemesis]

Re: No Season Mode?

Not to take us too far off course here, but I keep hearing this telemetry data being referenced. I think we should account for the possibility that it's not actually perfect and that it could be making substantial miscounts. Maybe a small probability of this, but a nonzero one. We have no knowledge of how accurate this data might be. Anything about accuracy is totally speculative on our end.

Case in point, you know how we'd get those reward cards just for logging in and playing the game? Spaced out at certain intervals? In MLB 17, I would often get mine at odd, irregular intervals. Sometimes I would get no cards. Sometimes I would get a bunch of them. The timer that said "xx hr xx min" until next reward was often inaccurate and useless. We know for a fact they have had trouble with online servers and connectivity. Profound ones.

So, while we acknowledge that they are measuring us with this telemetry data (and what legitimate company isn't in the year 2018 lol), we can also acknowledge the possibility that it might or might not be that accurate of a measurement.

I am sure the data is fine. It's the people analyzing the data and setting the course I question.

Just to make things clear, my comment on the telemetry was in no way of defending some of the decisions made (like this one), rather I was saying that they indeed have ways to measure it.

I am definitely bummed that season mode is not in the game. It was the only other mode I played along with RttS.

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[WaitTilNextYear]

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I am sure the data is fine. It's the people analyzing the data and setting the course I question.

I don't share your confidence in the data quality, actually. I feel there have been too many oddities with severs/connectivity over the previous several years to presume their telemetry system is this slick data-collecting behemoth. Based on my own personal experiences that I described above. Too much cognitive dissonance here.

But, I have no hard evidence either way.