AI Bullpen usage logic is the worst

[DarthRambo]

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So are you guys setting up each team with a 7 man bullpen? Or is 8 better?

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[garry1221]

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So are you guys setting up each team with a 7 man bullpen? Or is 8 better?

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Currently I'm sticking with 7. Being purely sim, I like having an extra body on the bench, in case of injury.. And I probably overthink that lol.

I'm extremely happy to see the results and your commentary on your last post. Small sample size that it is, it tells me we're as close as can be without being part of the coding team. I personally had an off year during the 2nd or 3rd yr of a rebuild with my pen and got nervous (2 or 3 rp's had less than 20 IP for the year), so i had to run another sim just to confirm it was my guys and not my setup.

If anyone tries an 8 man pen, feedback is always welcome.

[DarthRambo]

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I'll set up bullpens for 7 man. Did have 8 man in one game and didn't notice anything. I just put the lowest clutch rating as mrp 4.

How many teams irl run with 8 man? I assume it's probably AL teams if any. Maybe choose 3-5 teams randomly to run an 8 man bp.

One other question I have is what do you do when a team doesn't have a lefty reliever? Like not even on the roster unless they are nowhere close to MLB ready. The roster I'm using for after trades, the Red Sox have this issue. I just put the lowest clutch rated RP as SU2. Thinking that will be okay?

Thanks a lot again. I am starting a Braves franchise and will quick manage all cpu vs cpu games and play one random game per series with the Braves. Lost season opener 3-1 to the Phillies last night. Managed the cpu bullpen and it felt great! Even the couple moves the cpu made by themselves were good. I just had to do the lefty vs lefty for them.

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[garry1221]

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I'll set up bullpens for 7 man. Did have 8 man in one game and didn't notice anything. I just put the lowest clutch rating as mrp 4.

How many teams irl run with 8 man? I assume it's probably AL teams if any. Maybe choose 3-5 teams randomly to run an 8 man bp.

One other question I have is what do you do when a team doesn't have a lefty reliever? Like not even on the roster unless they are nowhere close to MLB ready. The roster I'm using for after trades, the Red Sox have this issue. I just put the lowest clutch rated RP as SU2. Thinking that will be okay?

Thanks a lot again. I am starting a Braves franchise and will quick manage all cpu vs cpu games and play one random game per series with the Braves. Lost season opener 3-1 to the Phillies last night. Managed the cpu bullpen and it felt great! Even the couple moves the cpu made by themselves were good. I just had to do the lefty vs lefty for them.

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While I try to keep at least 1 lefty, if a team doesn't have one, I'd probably put 3rd best clutch, or best looking /9's out of who's left. I've got no data to say this is the way to go, just a gut feel. If you can't match handedness, better /9s logically make sense, but so does next best clutch. Idk which I'd rank higher.

Edit: In alot of my older tests, the cpu brought in SU2 in late inning, non save situations quite a bit, if I recall correctly. Food for thought.

[DarthRambo]

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So I've been playing a franchise, and quick managing every game, and actually playing a random game per calendar day. I have to say, the game is 100% better now.

Sometimes I second guess myself and leave a pitcher in, and the ai will bring in the LRP when only down 3-5 runs. But usually I am able to manage it and control the bullpens properly.

It is a little time consuming, but well worth it imo. Usually by the end of 5 innings is when you really have to pay attention closely. Most games each pitcher can make it 5ip without getting completely shelled.

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[lemarflacco]

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I'll set up bullpens for 7 man. Did have 8 man in one game and didn't notice anything. I just put the lowest clutch rating as mrp 4.

How many teams irl run with 8 man? I assume it's probably AL teams if any. Maybe choose 3-5 teams randomly to run an 8 man bp.

One other question I have is what do you do when a team doesn't have a lefty reliever? Like not even on the roster unless they are nowhere close to MLB ready. The roster I'm using for after trades, the Red Sox have this issue. I just put the lowest clutch rated RP as SU2. Thinking that will be okay?

Thanks a lot again. I am starting a Braves franchise and will quick manage all cpu vs cpu games and play one random game per series with the Braves. Lost season opener 3-1 to the Phillies last night. Managed the cpu bullpen and it felt great! Even the couple moves the cpu made by themselves were good. I just had to do the lefty vs lefty for them.

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I found like 2 current teams with a 7 man bullpen. Majority have 8

[DarthRambo]

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I found like 2 current teams with a 7 man bullpen. Majority have 8

Yeah I was looking and noticed the same. Had a game go 15 innings and those teams are gonna want that extra arm for the next week lol.

I think an extra bullpen arm is more valuable to most teams than a pinch hitter.

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[bigmike0077]

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About ti finally give this game a try.

Is the Bullpen Logic fixed at all? Is it worse than it has been in the past?

[countryboy]

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About ti finally give this game a try.

Is the Bullpen Logic fixed at all? Is it worse than it has been in the past?

I know others have had issues with the AI bullpen management, but its been fine for me in my experience. Yes there are times I scratch my head at a decision, but I do that in real life as well.

IMO, for whatever that's worth, is that the bullpen management is better than it has been in year's past, as the AI does a better job, not perfect, of matching up relievers to hitters.

If you've played the series before, I don't think that its any worse than it has been in prior years.

[Brewers 15]

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[QUOTE=countryboy;2049974072]I know others have had issues with the AI bullpen management, but its been fine for me in my experience. Yes there are times I scratch my head at a decision, but I do that in real life as well.

IMO, for whatever that's worth, is that the bullpen management is better than it has been in year's past, as the AI does a better job, not perfect, of matching up relievers to hitters.

If you've played the series before, I don't think that its any worse than it has been in prior years.[/QUOTE

Maybe not worse but it’s really bad , I just played game 24 of my franchise and the reliever that the cpu brought in was making his 17th appearance of the season lol . I hope he pre scheduled his Tommy John surgery

[TheWarmWind]

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About ti finally give this game a try.

Is the Bullpen Logic fixed at all? Is it worse than it has been in the past?

It's definitely better, and sliders can make it better still, but it's certainly not perfect. You still get those times where the CPU leaves a dead tired pitcher in to get destroyed. Not as often as before, but often enough to be annoying.

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[garry1221]

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About ti finally give this game a try.

Is the Bullpen Logic fixed at all? Is it worse than it has been in the past?

My most realistic results are with reliever stamina @ 0. I've got everything else default. Imo, you still have to place your relievers in the right slot, the cpu doesn't quite have the auto placement yet.

Here's my setup
LR1: SP6 or RP w/ 40+ Sta.
MR1: 2nd best PC
MR2: 3rd best PC
MR3: 4th best PC
SU1: Best PC
SU2: Best LHP

If my 2 most clutch are lefties, I slot the most clutch RHP in SU1, most clutch in MR1, next in SU2.

[moTIGS]

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My most realistic results are with reliever stamina @ 0. I've got everything else default. Imo, you still have to place your relievers in the right slot, the cpu doesn't quite have the auto placement yet.

Here's my setup
LR1: SP6 or RP w/ 40+ Sta.
MR1: 2nd best PC
MR2: 3rd best PC
MR3: 4th best PC
SU1: Best PC
SU2: Best LHP

If my 2 most clutch are lefties, I slot the most clutch RHP in SU1, most clutch in MR1, next in SU2.

Does MR1 vs. MR2 vs. MR3 really make a difference? The game doesn't make it easy to switch those guys around, so I've always figured it was fairly meaningless.

[GainzBro]

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I've played about 130 games of the Show 19 and haven't had any significant issues with CPU bullpen usage. In fact I've enjoyed it. It is far from the worst as this thread is titled.

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[KnightTemplar]

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I've played about 130 games of the Show 19 and haven't had any significant issues with CPU bullpen usage. In fact I've enjoyed it. It is far from the worst as this thread is titled.

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Sort of a mixed bag for me. When I play a series I can almost predict who the other team is going to be bringing in in each game of the series, sort of like set in stone. I haven’t tried messing with attributes/sliders/slots in the pitching rotation though. This is something SDS needs to figure out, no the gamer. Heck just a one batter lefty/lefty match up would be a start.