Another Year of the Show Completely Wasted

[ML]

Re: Another Year of the Show Completely Wasted

Please explain my agenda, other than to improve the game and make it a more realistic representation of baseball?

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You have had threads since April about the same exact thing (this April thread was closed).

You also posted the a drawn out thread complaining about about last year's game.

I'm not even sure I've seen any solutions offered other than "do not cater to the DD crowd". For what it's worth, even though I am enjoying the hell out of this game as I do every year, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a true overhaul of the entire game next-gen, down to it's actual core coding.

I'm going to avoid this thread now since this one too will be inevitably closed. I'm all for having different opinions about a video game, but I think that some optimism would go a long way for all of us.

Cheers!

[JayhawkerStL]

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Smart enough? I love baseball. I have a child. I have a job. I run an online website. My time is limited so I play the games that try to represent the sports I enjoy.

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The fact that you think this rebuts what I said, is pretty much proves my point.

[KnightTemplar]

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I've actually said NUMEROUS times that it WASN'T “comeback code” and that it was a “boost in attributes”.

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Sort of reminds me when it was “global warming” and that didn’t work, so they are now trying “climate change”.

[Padgoi]

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Sort of reminds me when it was “global warming” and that didn’t work, so they are now trying “climate change”.

Thing is, many people agree on the attribute boost.

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[JayhawkerStL]

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Sort of reminds me when it was “global warming” and that didn’t work, so they are now trying “climate change”.

Climate change is more accurate, because the rising temperature cause extreme weather, not just warmer weather.

One reason the rising temperature can cause cold is the melting glaciers have disrupted a warm jet stream of ocean water in the, resulting in more severe cold at certain times and certain places.

The issue is the rising global temperature, but because it get old explaining why that can cause extreme cold. The impact on humans is the changing climate, which also includes more severe weather.

With comeback code and increased attributes, both are fictional to explain why sim gamers that don’t understand stat distribution, and how late game strategy and player fatigue can make closing out games harder. Just like the guys in the NHL series don’t understand how changing strategies by their opponent, and their failure to adjust, or just an inability to play well under different strategies makes them believe that series has comeback code.

You would think baseball guys would get this, and understand sample size and such, but reading any sports forum, gaming or real life, and you realize many just don’t.

[kehlis]

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Let's not get into Climate change/global warming. It had no place being brought up in the first place.

[bronxbombers21325]

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Once again, it's November and I find myself searching for a game to play. Why? Because once again, the Show has failed to deliver for me what I would consider a realistic, organic representation of baseball. This has literally become an annual happenstance for me and the worst part is that it could EASILY be avoided. Let me list what I feel is absolutely dragging this title down, in no particular order:

Patches - I'm the kind of guy that won't play unless the game feels realistic to me. What frustrates me to NO END is when the developers release a patch, I rework my sliders, finally get to the point where I feel the game is playing well, and they release ANOTHER 20 patches up through November, all of which CLEARLY affect gameplay even thought the patch notes make no mention of it. And before some of you say that the patches don't affect gameplay, let me just say that when patch 1.22 landed, I was playing on Legend with pitch speed at 5 and it was solid. After patch 1.23, I had to raise pitch speed . . . TO TEN!!! I didn't just magically get 5 notches better. That patch CLEARLY affected gameplay, even though the patch notes didn't mention it at all. And because of that, I now have to stop, rework my DAMN SLIDERS IN NOVEMBER, PLAY MORE PRACTICE GAMES TO MAKE SURE THE DAMN SLIDERS ARE GOOD, and then continue? I'm not going through that in November when the next game releases in less than 4 months.

Team Rankings - they simply dictate too much. If you're using a team like the Yankees, guess what - you're doing well. You can play like absolute dirt, it won't matter. Your pitchers will be unhittable. You will be successful. Why? Because the Yankees are a highly ranked team.

Game Engine - honestly, I'm done with it. You can tell me until you're blue in the face that there isn't any type of mechanism involved that boosts the skill level of the losing team, but it is literally EVIDENT IN EVERY SINGLE GAME I PLAY. Now, this is NOT catchup AI, no no. The developers are too smart for that. The losing team gets a boost, it's that simple. If you're up 1-0, it's not as evident, but if you're up 2-0 or more, that's when it becomes very obvious. Umpires squeezing their zones on you. Ground balls conveniently taking tricky hops and getting past infielders. Wild pitches. Perfectly timed batted balls ALL going right to fielders for literally AN ENTIRE GAME! It doesn't matter. The losing team has a boost in ratings to make the game more competitive. It's the same if you're losing. All of a sudden, the CPU can't throw a strike (I've literally had 5 consecutive walks issues to me to try and get back in the game) or the CPU starts throwing meatballs. This isn't every 5 games. It's EVERY SINGLE GAME. The engine honestly is BROKEN. The AI needs a complete and utter overhaul because as currently constructed, the game feels about as inorganic as RBI baseball. I'm happy some of you are having fun with the game, but on Legend difficulty, the game is plain bad. And I've tried other difficulties . . . the CPU is just way too dumb for my tastes on lower levels. They play with zero urgency.

The worst part about ALL of this is that the game, every year, plays great when you first buy it, but the damn patches make it play like last year's version because the tweenie boppers complain and naturally the developers have to listen to their largest demographic to appease their DD populace. Honestly, I've had it. Another year down the tubes.

See you guys in March.

Dude, seriously, it’s a video game. If you hate it that much then stop playing it. It’s a simple solution.

[Padgoi]

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Climate change is more accurate, because the rising temperature cause extreme weather, not just warmer weather.



One reason the rising temperature can cause cold is the melting glaciers have disrupted a warm jet stream of ocean water in the, resulting in more severe cold at certain times and certain places.



The issue is the rising global temperature, but because it get old explaining why that can cause extreme cold. The impact on humans is the changing climate, which also includes more severe weather.



With comeback code and increased attributes, both are fictional to explain why sim gamers that don’t understand stat distribution, and how late game strategy and player fatigue can make closing out games harder. Just like the guys in the NHL series don’t understand how changing strategies by their opponent, and their failure to adjust, or just an inability to play well under different strategies makes them believe that series has comeback code.



You would think baseball guys would get this, and understand sample size and such, but reading any sports forum, gaming or real life, and you realize many just don’t.

Some baseball guys just don't care about climate change.

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[Woodweaver]

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I've actually said NUMEROUS times that it WASN'T comeback code and that it was a boost in attributes, but people have implied I was referring to comeback code. I've actually been saying it's an attribute boost for quite some time now.

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Doesn't matter what you call it. You're still wrong.

[Caulfield]

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Doesn't matter what you call it. You're still wrong.

apologies for going off-topic but it's fantastic that people with their finger on the very pulse of the Show still peruse this operation.

[Padgoi]

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Doesn't matter what you call it. You're still wrong.

I'll believe what I see. I've seen enough over the years to know that there's clearly a boost. As a matter of fact, do you recall that PM you and I had where you admitted that the developers see it too but can't attribute it to anything in the game code? That's what I'm talking about. That little thing you can't seem to explain. But thanks for the response. Cool that developers still respond on occasion.

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[Caulfield]

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If any boost is rearing its ugly head, its a clutch attribute. Could be minor on its own but when combining a pitchers clutch and a batters clutch, you're going to eventually see some peculiar happenings. sometimes in the latter stages of a game I get a gut feeling to change my modus operandi or the cpu is going to pounce. if you dont have a sixth sense in this game, you better build an insurmountable lead early. I'd say this sixth sense is like football in that you HAVE to keep your head on a swivel or things can get ugly in a hurry.

[Woodweaver]

Another Year of the Show Completely Wasted

I'll believe what I see. I've seen enough over the years to know that there's clearly a boost. As a matter of fact, do you recall that PM you and I had where you admitted that the developers see it too but can't attribute it to anything in the game code? That's what I'm talking about. That little thing you can't seem to explain. But thanks for the response. Cool that developers still respond on occasion.

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No, I do not recall saying that or anything close.

I do recall saying something to the effect that everyone has seen late inning come backs that are just part of baseball (or any game really), and bullpen management, pinch hitting, etc are all strategies to focus on to combat them.

[Padgoi]

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If any boost is rearing its ugly head, its a clutch attribute. Could be minor on its own but when combining a pitchers clutch and a batters clutch, you're going to eventually see some peculiar happenings. sometimes in the latter stages of a game I get a gut feeling to change my modus operandi or the cpu is going to pounce. if you dont have a sixth sense in this game, you better build an insurmountable lead early. I'd say this sixth sense is like football in that you HAVE to keep your head on a swivel or things can get ugly in a hurry.

Interesting point. It's possible the clutch attribute is just more significant than it should be (in my opinion).

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[JayhawkerStL]

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If any boost is rearing its ugly head, its a clutch attribute. Could be minor on its own but when combining a pitchers clutch and a batters clutch, you're going to eventually see some peculiar happenings. sometimes in the latter stages of a game I get a gut feeling to change my modus operandi or the cpu is going to pounce. if you dont have a sixth sense in this game, you better build an insurmountable lead early. I'd say this sixth sense is like football in that you HAVE to keep your head on a swivel or things can get ugly in a hurry.

This! When a game starts doing something like this to me, I start trying to figure out what I should change to avoid it, to account for what I'm obviously not prepared for. Am I leaving a pitcher in too long? Am I choosing relievers poorly? Has my pitch selection gotten too conservative or predictable? Same with other games, which I where I really learned the benefits of using the strategy adjustments on the fly in NHL, at the same time other solved the "comeback code" by using the sliders to turn the CPU strategy adjustment to zero, which defeats the entire point of sim sports gaming.

I play a ton of poker online, too. You see the same crap, with losing players always claiming the decks are rigged. they aren't. But bad players, which is what you will find more of when playing free poker, stay too long with hands, which means when you have a lot of players like that, the number of suckouts increases. There are ways to play to avoid getting sucked out on.

But you will notice the same pattern, over and over, in every game. Players think the AI is cheating when they lose, but never notice an issue when they win. But they quickly look for something to explain away their losses.