Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Not sure it’s possible but was wondering if the Phillies would be able to get Keaton Hiura? Wouldn’t Give up Bohm or Howard but all other prospects available. Would only give up Kingery if I had to.

Thanks

I do not see any way you could acquire Hiura and keep Bohm and Howard. You have to give up real value to get good cost controlled players and you just eliminated your two best trade assests

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Not sure it’s possible but was wondering if the Phillies would be able to get Keaton Hiura? Wouldn’t Give up Bohm or Howard but all other prospects available. Would only give up Kingery if I had to.

Thanks

I know I already posted on this but I wanted to further elaborate. Ask yourself how the Phillies would react if someone came to them and said I want to get Alec Bohm from you but I won't give up my most valuable young assets, only the guys I deem expendable.

The Phillies wouldn't be very receptive to that idea, and that is how the Brewers would react to trading away Hiura.

[kinsmen7]

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I know I already posted on this but I wanted to further elaborate. Ask yourself how the Phillies would react if someone came to them and said I want to get Alec Bohm from you but I won't give up my most valuable young assets, only the guys I deem expendable.

The Phillies wouldn't be very receptive to that idea, and that is how the Brewers would react to trading away Hiura.

Agreed. The next most valuable player on the Phillies is worth something like 30% of Hiura, which isn't a great way to start the conversation.

[JWDixon120]

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Not sure if this is allowed or not but for those who maybe keep a spreadsheet for stats and all, I've made an excel workbook with the trade formula found on the first page of this thread. It is incredibly easy to use and has color coding to make things a little easier visually.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YNP7RI8XMiT10EsrLW8mm8EUimM-O5S8/view?usp=sharing

[franch1se]

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just curious, how many of this years deadline deals would have gone through using the formula you guys use to evaluate trades?

[JWDixon120]

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just curious, how many of this years deadline deals would have gone through using the formula you guys use to evaluate trades?

I haven’t ran any numbers but I think this year would be an exception to the formula because of such a weird season.

[UNDERTAKER1215]

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Would I be able to pull off another Dodgers-Red Sox mega-trade if we ignore the real life current messed up season (no Sale injury, JD playing to standards)? I know we usually count real life but Sale is playing in my franchise, and JD has been the usual.

Something along the lines of...

Dodgers Receive: Chris Sale, J.D. Martinez, Matt Barnes

Red Sox Receive: A.J.Pollock, Dustin May, Mitchell White, Keibert Ruiz, D.J. Peters

I know I’m probably way off from the return I would get but it shows my interests. Also, there is a universal DH, so JD could avoid the outfield.

I don’t mind taking money back so Joe Kelly, Pollock, and Joc Pederson are fine by me.


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[Mattchu12]

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Alrighty, I'm a month into my 2020 season and I flat out cannot pitch with JA Happ. We don't seem to get along and I've gotta get him out of here. I just demoted him to the bullpen. Obviously with his salary, it's a bad contract swap at best and a flat out release at worst. Putting him in the bullpen makes his stats take an even bigger nose-dive thanks to morale, so wanted to see what you guys thought was fair?

Similar contracts are Samardzija (but he's having a decent year so far), Wade Davis (killing it), Mike Leake (been pretty average, low 4 ERA), Ryan Braun (horrendous start to the year), Jon Lester (decent year so far), Mark Melancon (getting real roughed up), Shin-Soo Choo (solid so far), Jordan Zimmerman (pretty average out of the bullpen for Detroit), Ken Giles (short on cash, but he's been horrendous for TOR).

Leake, Braun, Melancon, and Giles seem like the most reasonable bets if at all.

But honestly, the dude who stands out to me is Robinson Cano. He's a person (and fan) favorite, he'd be solid off the bench and as a DH if needed (I'm playing with real-life Yankee injuries to start out so my lineup has taken a beating), lefty bat balances things out, but $24M/YR for four years is rough. Is there a Happ for Cano + something that makes it hurt less that isn't totally out of left field like adding Syndergaard (Or is that as crazy as it sounds in my head?) or something?

Thoughts?

[Jhack99]

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Alrighty, I'm a month into my 2020 season and I flat out cannot pitch with JA Happ. We don't seem to get along and I've gotta get him out of here. I just demoted him to the bullpen. Obviously with his salary, it's a bad contract swap at best and a flat out release at worst. Putting him in the bullpen makes his stats take an even bigger nose-dive thanks to morale, so wanted to see what you guys thought was fair?

Similar contracts are Samardzija (but he's having a decent year so far), Wade Davis (killing it), Mike Leake (been pretty average, low 4 ERA), Ryan Braun (horrendous start to the year), Jon Lester (decent year so far), Mark Melancon (getting real roughed up), Shin-Soo Choo (solid so far), Jordan Zimmerman (pretty average out of the bullpen for Detroit), Ken Giles (short on cash, but he's been horrendous for TOR).

Leake, Braun, Melancon, and Giles seem like the most reasonable bets if at all.

But honestly, the dude who stands out to me is Robinson Cano. He's a person (and fan) favorite, he'd be solid off the bench and as a DH if needed (I'm playing with real-life Yankee injuries to start out so my lineup has taken a beating), lefty bat balances things out, but $24M/YR for four years is rough. Is there a Happ for Cano + something that makes it hurt less that isn't totally out of left field like adding Syndergaard (Or is that as crazy as it sounds in my head?) or something?

Thoughts?

You could do what the Yankees did in my franchise and trade him back to where he started. Philly. As for Cano, not sure if you should take him. He's my third option at best off the bench. Hes regressed so much I only use him maybe twice a week (maybe 3). Hes hitting very little for me. In my offseason I plan on trading him away. He still has another three years left on his contract after the 20' season. So Im gonna take whatever prospect I can get for him. If I were you I'd see where Pittsburgh is at and see if you can get Adam Frazier. Lefty off the bench (better hitter) plays everywhere.

[Mattchu12]

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You could do what the Yankees did in my franchise and trade him back to where he started. Philly. As for Cano, not sure if you should take him. He's my third option at best off the bench. Hes regressed so much I only use him maybe twice a week (maybe 3). Hes hitting very little for me. In my offseason I plan on trading him away. He still has another three years left on his contract after the 20' season. So Im gonna take whatever prospect I can get for him. If I were you I'd see where Pittsburgh is at and see if you can get Adam Frazier. Lefty off the bench (better hitter) plays everywhere.

I guess my thought here is that unless I’m getting back a bad contract, I might as well release the guy because I don’t think anyone would offer a prospect for him.

[UNDERTAKER1215]

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Would I be able to pull off another Dodgers-Red Sox mega-trade if we ignore the real life current messed up season (no Sale injury, JD playing to standards)? I know we usually count real life but Sale is playing in my franchise, and JD has been the usual.

Something along the lines of...

Dodgers Receive: Chris Sale, J.D. Martinez, Matt Barnes

Red Sox Receive: A.J.Pollock, Dustin May, Mitchell White, Keibert Ruiz, D.J. Peters

I know I’m probably way off from the return I would get but it shows my interests. Also, there is a universal DH, so JD could avoid the outfield.

I don’t mind taking money back so Joe Kelly, Pollock, and Joc Pederson are fine by me.


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To add to this...

I thought of a couple other teams that MIGHT be interested given the money and their current championship goals, and that would be the Padres and Phillies. So I came up with these deals to get things started.

Padres Receive: Chris Sale, J.D. Martinez, Matt Barnes

Red Sox Receive: Joey Lucchesi, Luis Patino, Francisco Mejia/Luis Campusano, Jorge Mateo

Same thing, I can take back money but the only real big money guys that would/could get traded is Garrett Richards and Eric Hosmer, but Richards is only making about $9M and Hosmer is a turn off because of the years remaining, although if I did take him back, I would want more in return, which I don't feel is realistic.

Phillies Receive: Chris Sale, J.D. Martinez, Matt Barnes

Red Sox Receive: Scott Kingery, Adonis Medina, Enyel De Los Santos, Mickey Moniak, Odubel Herrera

I know Herrera is pretty much done, at least in Philly, but I'd take a flyer on him. The Phillies don't have a ton of prospect depth once you eliminate Spencer Howard and Alec Bohm (killing it in the majors in-game). I have a feeling they wouldn't move Bryson Stott. I would be willing to take back someone like Jake Arrieta, Jay Bruce, or David Robertson if it meant getting Stott or Howard back.

[Mattchu12]

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I guess my thought here is that unless I’m getting back a bad contract, I might as well release the guy because I don’t think anyone would offer a prospect for him.

And on that note, just to clarify what I was saying at the end of my OP, I was referring to Happ for Cano with a recovering-from-Tommy-John-potentially-soured-relationship-with-Mets Noah Syndergaard was the kind of crazy idea I was throwing out to offset the burden of Cano's three additional years.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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To add to this...

I thought of a couple other teams that MIGHT be interested given the money and their current championship goals, and that would be the Padres and Phillies. So I came up with these deals to get things started.

Padres Receive: Chris Sale, J.D. Martinez, Matt Barnes

Red Sox Receive: Joey Lucchesi, Luis Patino, Francisco Mejia/Luis Campusano, Jorge Mateo

Same thing, I can take back money but the only real big money guys that would/could get traded is Garrett Richards and Eric Hosmer, but Richards is only making about $9M and Hosmer is a turn off because of the years remaining, although if I did take him back, I would want more in return, which I don't feel is realistic.

Phillies Receive: Chris Sale, J.D. Martinez, Matt Barnes

Red Sox Receive: Scott Kingery, Adonis Medina, Enyel De Los Santos, Mickey Moniak, Odubel Herrera

I know Herrera is pretty much done, at least in Philly, but I'd take a flyer on him. The Phillies don't have a ton of prospect depth once you eliminate Spencer Howard and Alec Bohm (killing it in the majors in-game). I have a feeling they wouldn't move Bryson Stott. I would be willing to take back someone like Jake Arrieta, Jay Bruce, or David Robertson if it meant getting Stott or Howard back.

I haven't run the numbers yet but you're aiming far too high. JD Martinez has limited value as an aging DH. Chris Sale is amazing but paid accordingly so he has limited value. And Barnes is a decent reliever who wouldn't bring all that much back.

Basically I don't think you could get Dustin May for all three, let alone a larger package. Short version is I don't see a way for you to get anything close to a top prospect for this group.

Look at what JD got in a trade when he was younger and cheaper. Some of the value in the original Chris Sale trade was his incredibly affordable contract, and like I said Barnes has negligible value

[kinsmen7]

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I haven't run the numbers yet but you're aiming far too high. JD Martinez has limited value as an aging DH. Chris Sale is amazing but paid accordingly so he has limited value. And Barnes is a decent reliever who wouldn't bring all that much back.

Basically I don't think you could get Dustin May for all three, let alone a larger package. Short version is I don't see a way for you to get anything close to a top prospect for this group.

Look at what JD got in a trade when he was younger and cheaper. Some of the value in the original Chris Sale trade was his incredibly affordable contract, and like I said Barnes has negligible value

I think I saw Sale as being a -$20 mil on baseballtradevalues.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I think I saw Sale as being a -$20 mil on baseballtradevalues.

That probably factors in the injury and JD Martinez also was around -$20 mil. But lets say Sale was healthy and worth $20 million. His value basically cancels out JD Martinez (If you assume injury) If you assume healthy you would be looking at a little bit of value since has 2 years and $39 million remaining and you could expect him to maybe be a 3 fWAR guy going forward which would give something like 54-39 = $15 million in value. And this is being quite optimistic.

So with Red Sox colored glasses you might get to some sort of math that gets Sale + Martinez + Barnes as $35 million in value. Dustin May is worth $55. Ruiz $23.4, White $3.3, Peters $2.4 and Pollock -$14.5.

So the original offer would be:
Red Sox ($35 million)
Dodgers ($78 million)

The Padres one is actually a lot worse. Luchessi $10.6, Patino $52.5, Campusano $32.1 and Mateo $2

Red Sox ($35 million)
Padres ($97 million)