Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

[boxboy99]

Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

Been working to complete my Cubs 19 carry over season. Trailed the Cardinals the entire season until the last two weeks. Ended up winning 101 games and the division. The Cards feel apart the last two weeks of the season

Simmed the last 4 after winning the division. Faced the Cardinals in the NLDS.

Game 1 - Got my butt kicked.
Game 2 - won in 10 innings.
Game 3 - lost close
Game 4 - walk off win
Game 5 - tie at 1, bottom of the 9th Rizzo walk off HR to win the series.

I’ll have to upload the clip. 5 season of my carryover. Never won it all. Had so much post season drama though

Nats up in the NLCS.

Have to laugh at the Reds. Had about a 7 game wildcard cushion very late in the season. Totally collapsed in the last month and didn’t make the playoffs. The Marlins caught them and they were playing mediocre ball. No one wanted that last WC spot.

Played with various setting throughout the season. Using Amour’s sliders for playoffs. Great games


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[boxboy99]

Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

Couldn’t sleep. Just realized I posted in the trade thread instead of the franchise thread. 🤦


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[Councilmann_Jamm]

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Just gauging some thoughts on possible players I could trade. I'm in the 5th year of a carry over franchise started from The Show 18. I'm in the off-season going into 2022 Season. Coming off a 105 Win season and losing in the ALCS 4-2.

I'm going to withhold names of players so that doesn't skew any thoughts.


2nd Baseman - 30 Years Old- 1 Year left on contract - 15.4 Million dollars
I have some guys in the minors who are ready to step up. Figured I could replenish the farm system.

2021 Stats - 130 game, 88 Runs, 149 Hits, 26 doubles, 4 triples, 41 hr, 91RBI, 32 BB, 127 SO , .295 AVG, 5.9WAR - ALL STAR

2020 Stats - 100 Games, 57 Runs, 126 Hits , 23 Doubles, 2 Triples, 24 HR, 56 RBI, 31BB, 92 SO, .318 AVG, 3.8 WAR

LF/1B/DH - 25 Years Old - 1 Renew / 3 Arb Years Left - 2.8 Million right now
Former Top 30 Prospect. I would like to keep him on my team, but I have a logjam in the OF and DH positions. Figured I could trade him off for SP/RP or Prospect

2021 Stats - 113 Games, 60 Runs, 100 Hits, 24 Doubles, 0 Triples, 26 HR, 63 RBI, 28 BB, 104 SO, .258 AVG, 2.8 WAR

2020 Stats - 109 Games, 51 Runs, 116 Hits, 18 Doubles, 1 Triples, 23 HR, 72 RBI, 27 BB, 91 SO, .277 AVG, 2 WAR

LHP - 29 Years Old - Year 1/3 ARB - 2 Million

2021 Stats -25 G, 13 W, 8 L, 154.1 IP, 3.56 ERA, 2.1 WAR

2020 Stats - 28 G, 12 Wins, 9 L, 153 IP, 4.65 ERA, 0.8 WAR

[GamecocksLaw17]

Re: Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

How so?

Trade calculator says a minor overpay, and I think you have to overpay at least slightly when you're getting a guy of Merrifield's caliber for 3 years + for like $12m.

Check out this site: https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

Merrifield is in his 30's and will be expected to decline over the coming years. He's also coming off a 2.9 fWAR season. The expectation is you lose roughly 0.5 fWAR per year every year after 30. That would mean over the next 4 years you could expect 2.4, 1.9, 1.4, 0.9 for a total of 6.6 fWAR over 4 years or an average of 1.66 per season. Now lets just say thats a bit low and round him up to 7 fWAR for his 4 years remaining on the contract. That gets you to $63 million in value provided and salary obligations of $21 million. So best case Merrifield has $42 million in value. Spencer Howard is a 55fv pitcher which will get you somewhere around $40 million in value.

So basically it was a tiny bit hyperbole to say Howard is more valuable, but it is also extremely rare for a 1 for 1 trade where the prospect carries as much value as the big leaguer. Usually the best prospect in the trade is worth somewhere between 50-70% of the return.

[Mackrel829]

Re: Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

Check out this site: https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

Merrifield is in his 30's and will be expected to decline over the coming years. He's also coming off a 2.9 fWAR season. The expectation is you lose roughly 0.5 fWAR per year every year after 30. That would mean over the next 4 years you could expect 2.4, 1.9, 1.4, 0.9 for a total of 6.6 fWAR over 4 years or an average of 1.66 per season. Now lets just say thats a bit low and round him up to 7 fWAR for his 4 years remaining on the contract. That gets you to $63 million in value provided and salary obligations of $21 million. So best case Merrifield has $42 million in value. Spencer Howard is a 55fv pitcher which will get you somewhere around $40 million in value.

So basically it was a tiny bit hyperbole to say Howard is more valuable, but it is also extremely rare for a 1 for 1 trade where the prospect carries as much value as the big leaguer. Usually the best prospect in the trade is worth somewhere between 50-70% of the return.

That's the trade calculator that I was referring to.

The numbers are extremely close, and that's without taking into account any contact that may be present in the franchise mode. You constantly see teams overpay for players far more than the Phillies might be here if they think that it will make them materially better in the short term.

I think Merrifield is something of a unique case too. He is, as you say, in his 30s, but he's making $4m a year. Usually older guys have less value because their service time and reputation has earned them much larger contracts. He's making as much as a veteran role player but playing at a much higher level. Getting a player of Merrifield'd caliber on a contract as cost controlled as his usually only occurs when teams hit on draft picks. Some of Merrifield's value lies in the fact that you get him + your draft picks for far less money than it should be costing you.

It might be a little more than some people would be willing to pull the trigger on but I think it's a perfectly reasonable and plausible suggestion.

[GamecocksLaw17]

Re: Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

That's the trade calculator that I was referring to.

The numbers are extremely close, and that's without taking into account any contact that may be present in the franchise mode. You constantly see teams overpay for players far more than the Phillies might be here if they think that it will make them materially better in the short term.

It might be a little more than some people would be willing to pull the trigger on but I think it's a perfectly reasonable and plausible suggestion.

It's your franchise do what you want. But I cannot see a team giving up a top-25 prospect in baseball to get 4 years of a 31 year old utility player as good as Whit has been.

[kinsmen7]

Re: Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

That's the trade calculator that I was referring to.

The numbers are extremely close, and that's without taking into account any contact that may be present in the franchise mode. You constantly see teams overpay for players far more than the Phillies might be here if they think that it will make them materially better in the short term.

I think Merrifield is something of a unique case too. He is, as you say, in his 30s, but he's making $4m a year. Usually older guys have less value because their service time and reputation has earned them much larger contracts. He's making as much as a veteran role player but playing at a much higher level. Getting a player of Merrifield'd caliber on a contract as cost controlled as his usually only occurs when teams hit on draft picks. Some of Merrifield's value lies in the fact that you get him + your draft picks for far less money than it should be costing you.

It might be a little more than some people would be willing to pull the trigger on but I think it's a perfectly reasonable and plausible suggestion.

I mean, I can see both sides of this, but I really think the team that has a desperate lack of starting pitching depth, especially when there's not a lot to go around, probably keeps him over taking Whit.

If you're trading a Howard type guy, you're packaging him to get yourself a top of the rotation arm.

[Mackrel829]

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It's your franchise do what you want. But I cannot see a team giving up a top-25 prospect in baseball to get 4 years of a 31 year old utility player as good as Whit has been.

I've done it and I'm happy with it. Just debating its merits. I think your position is perfectly reasonable.

[GamecocksLaw17]

Re: Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

I've done it and I'm happy with it. Just debating its merits. I think your position is perfectly reasonable.

Would you trade Bobby Witt Jr. for a player like Whit Merrifield? Someone like Brian Anderson or Brian Reynolds or Corey Seager? If the answer is no, then that helps explain why I argued the trade wouldn't happen.

[Mackrel829]

Re: Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

Would you trade Bobby Witt Jr. for a player like Whit Merrifield? Someone like Brian Anderson or Brian Reynolds or Corey Seager? If the answer is no, then that helps explain why I argued the trade wouldn't happen.

I understand why you argued against it. As I said, I think your argument is perfectly reasonable.

[Councilmann_Jamm]

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I think in 2021 Off-Season of my franchise I traded Whit to the Phillies for Luis Garcia, JoJo Romero, and I want to say Francisco Morales

[Coldarmy13]

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Was thinking of starting a Mariner franchise, but would like to add one masher in the line up with the younger players. Would it be possible to add JD Martinez if the Sox are in a salary dump situation?

[decga]

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Was thinking of starting a Mariner franchise, but would like to add one masher in the line up with the younger players. Would it be possible to add JD Martinez if the Sox are in a salary dump situation?

I am to be honest, I don't know how this game AI engine rolls. In my off-season I wanted to get Arenado from the Rockies. I offered a MLB level SP & 3B POT(A), plus a Minor Level POT(A). The Rockies still didn't budge. It took me packaging 1B Freeman, 3B Riley and SP to get Arenado. I wanted him on my Braves team. Deal done. That is with budget ON and no 30-team control. You might have to give Seager or Dee Gordon to get that deal done, but it's possible... Go for it!

[nydteaton]

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Guys looking to start up a new franchise and mirror kinda the contenders, rebuilding teams from this season and real life (obviously this shortened season isn’t duplicatable in the game).

I’m planning to run with the Giants and I’m looking for some realistic trade scenarios for the following players (or teams who might have interest in them based on real life team needs);

Jonny Cueto
Evan Longoria
Donovan Solano
* Brandon Belt
* Brandon Crawford

* most likely that offer doesn’t exist


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[kinsmen7]

Re: Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

Guys looking to start up a new franchise and mirror kinda the contenders, rebuilding teams from this season and real life (obviously this shortened season isn’t duplicatable in the game).

I’m planning to run with the Giants and I’m looking for some realistic trade scenarios for the following players (or teams who might have interest in them based on real life team needs);

Jonny Cueto
Evan Longoria
Donovan Solano
* Brandon Belt
* Brandon Crawford

* most likely that offer doesn’t exist


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I've got some really bad news for you, my friend...

Of the guys that you listed, the only one that has positive surplus value is Donavan Solano, and it's $0.8 mil...that's likely enough to get you a low C prospect and a bag of balls.

Of the rest, Longo is the least valuable, at -$46.3 mil (meaning it would take that much in prospect capital just to get rid of him), Cueto is second at -$25.5, Crawford is right behind at -$13.8, and Belt is the most valuable of the bunch, sitting at a meager -$8 mil.

To be honest, that's most likely the Giants haven't moved any of those guys. They'd essentially have to eat 100% of their contracts to even move them.