MLB The Show 21: Stadium Creator and Next-Gen Details

[Keirik]

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It is possible to also acknowledge that the Stadium Creator is a nice new feature, but also acknowledge that other areas wre neglected. You don't have to be 100% happy or 100% disappointed.

I'm beyond glad the game is on GamePass/Xbox now. I'm excited to create some stadiums. I'm disappointed in how franchise mode got a new UI and some logic tuning and nothing more. I'm excited to see the improvements to the on field gameplay, I hate that the off field gameplay is once again neglected for the most part.

The Show already plays amazing on the field and I could live without that even being touched this year. The off field franchise gameplay is pretty poor and it didn't really see any changes outside of some small logic changes. To me, 21 is not a big upgrade over 20 for that reason and it is why I wasn't going to buy the game, but since it'll be on GamePass I'll be playing it since I already sub to GamePass. While I can acknowledge how big of an addition Stadium Creator is, i can also acknowledge how little franchise was touched. I think if everyone could acknowledge that and understand where the franchise only people are coming from they'd understand the disappointment you're seeing around the internet with this game.

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We are all entitled to an opinion. I feel for someone that isn’t excited for the game. I just think what they did this specific year was so important to the future of this game and baseball on the other console. Just think of how long Xbox users have been waiting for this game. It’s crazy.

[jeffy777]

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It is possible to also acknowledge that the Stadium Creator is a nice new feature, but also acknowledge that other areas wre neglected. You don't have to be 100% happy or 100% disappointed.

I'm beyond glad the game is on GamePass/Xbox now. I'm excited to create some stadiums. I'm disappointed in how franchise mode got a new UI and some logic tuning and nothing more. I'm excited to see the improvements to the on field gameplay, I hate that the off field gameplay is once again neglected for the most part.

The Show already plays amazing on the field and I could live without that even being touched this year. The off field franchise gameplay is pretty poor and it didn't really see any changes outside of some small logic changes. To me, 21 is not a big upgrade over 20 for that reason and it is why I wasn't going to buy the game, but since it'll be on GamePass I'll be playing it since I already sub to GamePass. While I can acknowledge how big of an addition Stadium Creator is, i can also acknowledge how little franchise was touched. I think if everyone could acknowledge that and understand where the franchise only people are coming from they'd understand the disappointment you're seeing around the internet with this game.

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Well said. I'm nowhere near 100% disappointed. I was only responding to the question about Stadium Creator specifically. I'm truly thrilled that they're going cross platform. Honestly if they would just add back a few features that they removed (Online Co-op, Season Mode, and Online Franchise or at least add CPU teams to leagues), then I'd be on be on cloud nine. They need to stop taking pages out of EA's playbook with the removal of features and weak franchise updates, but as far as the gameplay and cross platform goes, hats off to them.

[canes21]

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We are all entitled to an opinion. I feel for someone that isn’t excited for the game. I just think what they did this specific year was so important to the future of this game and baseball on the other console. Just think of how long Xbox users have been waiting for this game. It’s crazy.

That's cool and all that they brought the game over to Xbox when the MLB forced them to. That doesn't add anything new to the game that gives current 20 players any reason to buy the new game which is my argument. Each new addition should be improved enough to give you a reason to buy the new game. For existing players who play franchise mode and don't care about the stadium creator, what was done this year to give them a reason to upgrade? That's all I am saying, the people like that have a right to be disappointed and shouldn't receive flak for being disappointed because they have a perfectly rational reason to be disappointed.

Again, we can acknowledge that it is a good move to have the game on Xbox and that that took lots of work more than likely. At the end of the day we are consumers and them moving to Xbox doesn't add anything to the game that would make existing users have a reason to buy the new version.

It's like how people can say that SDS is building for the future in franchise mode. I hope they are. That doesn't change that they didn't really do anything to the mode this year to give a franchise user a reason to upgrade. If it pays off in the future and the mode sees improvement then in those years you'll have a reason to upgrade, but this year when the mode's biggest addition was a new depth chart the franchise crowd has a reason to express disappointment.

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[Funkycorm]

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I don't think it was a bad stream. I would have liked to see some focus on these presentation changes they talked about.

I am ok with stadium creator but am more excited about the 30 generic stadiums they put in. I don't want to build new stadiums but now I can replace some. Plan on using the premade template stadiums to replace TOR, TB, OAK, and maybe a few in the NL as well though that depends on what I do franchise plan wise with an NL team.

I will wait to judge the true next gen feel myself as it will look and feel different with a controller in my hand.

[Smallville102001]

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i feel like NBA2k has made people think sports games need to have massive graphic jumps between generations. Madden barely changed between ps4 and ps5 imo (besides jersey detail it seems), and no one really complained. so why are people angry about the show when it looks solid already? and the gameplay is also solid and looks to be improved? its also the first year, it's only gonna go up from here. the show 14 wasnt the peak of the show graphics on the ps4, and the show 21 wont be on ps5

Normally when you go from a older system to a new one you do see a big jump in graphics both on sports games and games that are not sports games. I have not played madden on ps5 but the jump in graphics from madden ps3 to ps4 and for nba 2k from ps3 to ps4 was also big. The jump for the show form ps3 to ps4 was pretty small on the other hand and MLB plays so good to has for years that really I would say graphics are its biggest issue where madden on the other hand has a lot of issues.

[Blzer]

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See this is the kind of thing I just don't understand. Probably the two BIGGEST things people have asked for for nearly a decade (or more in case 2) are;
1. Stadium Creator

2. bring the game to Xbox

So both are done YEAR ONE of next gen and some people are saying "you know i have a right to be disappointed.' Seriously? How many features, not improvements to features already in the game, do you expect to be implemented to a game in year one of a new system? Year ONE. I've bought this game nearly every year for playstation and even I can see how big of a deal this year's game is just for stadium creator let alone the fact that so many people that never had the game now can actually have the game. Hell, I even bought it for the Series X this year even though I also have a ps5 just so i can see the difference.

I swear, these companies can't win. You get a good company that actually listens and improves a game every year and it still gets met as if this were EA or some other company that literally mails it in every year with roster patches only.

You're missing a lurking variable, though. Maybe some people don't think Stadium Creator is up to snuff yet, at least not in its current form.

Again, I hope it keeps improving years to come, because based on what I see they still have a long way to go if they can't make the "modern day ballpark." I'm glad they have something, but just because it's in doesn't mean it's quite there yet either.

Just like Batting Stance Creator... the difference being that they didn't improve on that feature after putting it in.

[Keirik]

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You're missing a lurking variable, though. Maybe some people don't think Stadium Creator is up to snuff yet, at least not in its current form.

Again, I hope it keeps improving years to come, because based on what I see they still have a long way to go if they can't make the "modern day ballpark." I'm glad they have something, but just because it's in doesn't mean it's quite there yet either.

Just like Batting Stance Creator... the difference being that they didn't improve on that feature after putting it in.

Well I guess but it’s year one of it. I imagine it’ll get tweaked and added to. At least I hope so.

[Keirik]

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That's cool and all that they brought the game over to Xbox when the MLB forced them to. That doesn't add anything new to the game that gives current 20 players any reason to buy the new game which is my argument. Each new addition should be improved enough to give you a reason to buy the new game. For existing players who play franchise mode and don't care about the stadium creator, what was done this year to give them a reason to upgrade? That's all I am saying, the people like that have a right to be disappointed and shouldn't receive flak for being disappointed because they have a perfectly rational reason to be disappointed.

Again, we can acknowledge that it is a good move to have the game on Xbox and that that took lots of work more than likely. At the end of the day we are consumers and them moving to Xbox doesn't add anything to the game that would make existing users have a reason to buy the new version.

It's like how people can say that SDS is building for the future in franchise mode. I hope they are. That doesn't change that they didn't really do anything to the mode this year to give a franchise user a reason to upgrade. If it pays off in the future and the mode sees improvement then in those years you'll have a reason to upgrade, but this year when the mode's biggest addition was a new depth chart the franchise crowd has a reason to express disappointment.

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I thought there were also a list of changes to franchise? Under the hood improvements, depth chart addition, reworking on the budget, etc? No? Or you meant like an entire overhaul of it?

[canes21]

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I thought there were also a list of changes to franchise? Under the hood improvements, depth chart addition, reworking on the budget, etc? No? Or you meant like an entire overhaul of it?

We got a reworked depth chart, logic tweaks, the budget is going back to an annual format. Nothing major which is where the disappointment comes from.

[BA2929]

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^ This exactly... I just don't understand how you can sell this game as next-gen when 'stadium-creator' is 99% of it...I understand the main 2 takeaways for 2021 are:

1. Game is now on XBOX
2. Stadium-creator in-game

It's just a bit disappointing that these devs have had their hands on the next-gen hardware for quite some time and this is all they could come up with; albeit, there isn't much pressure from any competitors (RBI Baseball isn't even in the same breath).

And yes, some of us are graphics-whores / )

Player models & player movement need an overhaul in my opinion...hoping it is in the framework down the line as SDS continues to push the new consoles to their max. I'll be interested to see the comparisons between the PS4 Pro and the PS5 (XBX).

You're forgetting 60fps and 4k visuals standard on new consoles, plus Dualsense support on PS5 (Which could be massive). If you've taken the time to watch 4k/60 footage of 21 on YouTube the "next gen" feel and look sort of sells itself, at least imo. The stadium creator is just icing on the cake.

Honestly, I wouldn't have expected much for a next gen version of a sports game when they're still creating a game on old gen for 75% of their client base. 4k/60 and a pretty deep stadium creator is a pretty good start.

Spoiler alert: Player models and movement aren't getting upgraded until they shelve full support for old-gen. Once old-gen just starts getting rehashed games with roster updates is when you'll start to see a full next-gen experience. SDS isn't ditching 75% of their player base this quick.

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[TheBleedingRed21]

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The dude really said “stadium creator is all they could come up with”. He ain’t the same guy who said creating stadiums wasn’t “sim” is he??

This thread has some priceless posts in it. Oh, if only he knew what it took to just come up with stadium creator. LOL. Keep em coming.

[SmashMan]

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The dude really said “stadium creator is all they could come up with”. He ain’t the same guy who said creating stadiums wasn’t “sim” is he??

This thread has some priceless posts in it. Oh, if only he knew what it took to just come up with stadium creator. LOL. Keep em coming.

All they could come up with was this heavily-requested feature?!

If it's just not something that someone's interested in, that's fair...but some of these takes that have to diminish the work involved, or that it satisfies a long-time request, or imply that it's solely to blame for some vague "other" improvements missing are just...yeah.

Stadium Creator wasn't anywhere near the top of my wishlist and I don't own a PS5 so I'm not even going to use the damn thing, but some of you guys have to take a step back from the "franchise or death!" OS bubble every once in a while and take the pulse of the game and community as a whole.

[Keirik]

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All they could come up with was this heavily-requested feature?!

If it's just not something that someone's interested in, that's fair...but some of these takes that have to diminish the work involved, or that it satisfies a long-time request, or imply that it's solely to blame for some vague "other" improvements missing are just...yeah.

Stadium Creator wasn't anywhere near the top of my wishlist and I don't own a PS5 so I'm not even going to use the damn thing, but some of you guys have to take a step back from the "franchise or death!" OS bubble every once in a while and take the pulse of the game and community as a whole.

And honestly, there are guys like me that are looking forward to using custom stadiums in franchise itself. I’m sure some historical roster people are looking forward to creating and using shared historical stadiums in franchise. Some fictional roster people using created stadiums in franchise, etc..

[breakfastcat]

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I think the people who are dismissing the stadium creator are missing the big picture here. They probably think "I'm never going to create a stadium so this whole mode is useless to me", or "They could have improved franchise or Rtts instead."

I'd argue that Stadium Creator does improve those modes by making them more realistic and immersive. There are tons of very creative people out there. They will create literally every minor league stadium, spring training stadium, classic stadium, and potential future stadium you can think of. And they will all be available through the vault.

Playing a franchise 10 years down the line? Looks like the As and Rays have new stadiums. Classic rosters? Heres Ebbetts Field and Baker Bowl. Playing RTTS? Play in your AA team's real park. Hell, spring training just got more interesting because I can play in Tempe Diablo Stadium.

I don't see how this huge feature is seen as a disappointment. You don't even need to be creative or sink a bunch of time into it to reap its benefits. It has the potential to improve nearly every part of the game.

[Blzer]

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I'd argue that Stadium Creator does improve those modes by making them more realistic and immersive. There are tons of very creative people out there. They will create literally every minor league stadium, spring training stadium, classic stadium, and potential future stadium you can think of. And they will all be available through the vault.

With its current limitations, I'm sure that's plenty doubtful. I think some can be made and some can be close, but I don't think you'll get really many of any replicas, especially with the limited number of backdrops (see: farm). Remember, bullpens can't be placed out of play either, so that changes that whole dynamic.

But of course, I'm hoping for improvements in future installments. I know the UFO's and dinosaurs are for some crowd, but I'm not a part of that. For every "unrealistic" object they provided, I'm going to at least sit and pretend those resources could've been better used elsewhere in the Stadium Creator.