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  • jcar0725
    "ADAPT OR DIE"
    • Aug 2010
    • 3821

    #376
    Re: MLB The Show 23 Franchise, MTO, Presentation and Commentary Feature Premiere Brea

    Originally posted by countryboy
    One thing that I've seen mentioned in regards to the draft that I wanted to speak to was the AI logic.

    My biggest concern with how current structure of rosters (93 players) was that the AI would just draft the best rated players based on their MLB rank in the game, versus trying to address needs of depth at a particular position. That their independent organization prospect rankings would match those of the MLB rankings.

    In the few AI drafts I've seen, the AI does appear to have an independent strategy set up to draft players that help provide depth throughout the organization, and ranks prospects based on their own scouting.
    If that's true then maybe the AI also would behave that way in free agency and trades more often than in the past versions.

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    • countryboy
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      • Sep 2003
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      #377
      Re: MLB The Show 23 Franchise, MTO, Presentation and Commentary Feature Premiere Brea

      Originally posted by jcar0725
      If that's true then maybe the AI also would behave that way in free agency and trades more often than in the past versions.

      Sent from my thoughts
      I personally think that until rosters expand, free agency and trades are going to feel at times "off" due to limited roster space. Teams don't have exceptional depth of young talent to trade as prospects for a veteran player to fill a void for a postseason run.

      I'm hoping that 119 man (125 is my dream) rosters become a thing where there are 26 man rosters at MLB thru A ball and then 15 slots for rookie ball. I think getting to this roster size would allow the draft to be expanded past 6 rounds (plus competitive balance picks) to afford teams the ability to draft more young talent to develop and also store for future trades as needed.

      It would also allow teams to sign more journeymen in free agency to fill out rosters so that young prospects aren't forced into action while lower rated, have bad seasons, that potentially effect how they progress.
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      • jcar0725
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        • Aug 2010
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        #378
        Re: MLB The Show 23 Franchise, MTO, Presentation and Commentary Feature Premiere Brea

        Originally posted by countryboy
        I personally think that until rosters expand, free agency and trades are going to feel at times "off" due to limited roster space. Teams don't have exceptional depth of young talent to trade as prospects for a veteran player to fill a void for a postseason run.

        I'm hoping that 119 man (125 is my dream) rosters become a thing where there are 26 man rosters at MLB thru A ball and then 15 slots for rookie ball. I think getting to this roster size would allow the draft to be expanded past 6 rounds (plus competitive balance picks) to afford teams the ability to draft more young talent to develop and also store for future trades as needed.

        It would also allow teams to sign more journeymen in free agency to fill out rosters so that young prospects aren't forced into action while lower rated, have bad seasons, that potentially effect how they progress.
        Good points here. Probably correct.

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        • bryanm1982
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          • Nov 2016
          • 3793

          #379
          Re: MLB The Show 23 Franchise, MTO, Presentation and Commentary Feature Premiere Brea

          I am in the playoffs and this is only my 2nd time playing the playoffs in 22. But I was kind of disappointed that ho don’t hear Boog Or Singleton mention anything about playoffs during the game. It is only the beginning and the end of the games. So I’m hoping 23 will improve that. But I have only played in the ALDS so maybe it changes in the LCS and World Series?

          But I believe Vasgersian and Derosa never did either.
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          • Jeffrey Smith
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            • Apr 2014
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            #380
            Re: MLB The Show 23 Franchise, MTO, Presentation and Commentary Feature Premiere Brea

            Originally posted by bryanm1982
            I am in the playoffs and this is only my 2nd time playing the playoffs in 22. But I was kind of disappointed that ho don’t hear Boog Or Singleton mention anything about playoffs during the game. It is only the beginning and the end of the games. So I’m hoping 23 will improve that. But I have only played in the ALDS so maybe it changes in the LCS and World Series?

            But I believe Vasgersian and Derosa never did either.

            Big games feel too much like a regular game IMO. Presentation should include more than just pre game. Hopefully it’s something that they continue to improve.


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            • Caulfield
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              • Apr 2011
              • 10986

              #381
              Re: MLB The Show 23 Franchise, MTO, Presentation and Commentary Feature Premiere Brea

              Originally posted by countryboy
              I personally think that until rosters expand, free agency and trades are going to feel at times "off" due to limited roster space. Teams don't have exceptional depth of young talent to trade as prospects for a veteran player to fill a void for a postseason run.

              I'm hoping that 119 man (125 is my dream) rosters become a thing where there are 26 man rosters at MLB thru A ball and then 15 slots for rookie ball. I think getting to this roster size would allow the draft to be expanded past 6 rounds (plus competitive balance picks) to afford teams the ability to draft more young talent to develop and also store for future trades as needed.

              It would also allow teams to sign more journeymen in free agency to fill out rosters so that young prospects aren't forced into action while lower rated, have bad seasons, that potentially effect how they progress.
              and even if only Triple A & Double A are the only two that remain playable,
              a more fleshed out and full minor league organisation is sorely needed
              plus at least 15 rounds of drafting.
              if they can eventually pull this off AND bring back y2y carry-over saves,
              I'll go back to playing multiple year franchises.

              otherwise, I only need a functioning AAA level to get through a season,
              and Double A and the draft are overkill for me personally
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              • LegendKillerOne
                MVP
                • Jan 2019
                • 1764

                #382
                Re: MLB The Show 23 Franchise, MTO, Presentation and Commentary Feature Premiere Brea

                Originally posted by countryboy
                I personally think that until rosters expand, free agency and trades are going to feel at times "off" due to limited roster space. Teams don't have exceptional depth of young talent to trade as prospects for a veteran player to fill a void for a postseason run.

                I'm hoping that 119 man (125 is my dream) rosters become a thing where there are 26 man rosters at MLB thru A ball and then 15 slots for rookie ball. I think getting to this roster size would allow the draft to be expanded past 6 rounds (plus competitive balance picks) to afford teams the ability to draft more young talent to develop and also store for future trades as needed.

                It would also allow teams to sign more journeymen in free agency to fill out rosters so that young prospects aren't forced into action while lower rated, have bad seasons, that potentially effect how they progress.
                Spot on I feel on size. Also the roster creators would have so much freedom with all the extra players and could add some depth to the rosters. These days they know they have to give 10 spots to the top 10 prospects and go from there. This would eliminate the need to leave so many other minor league guys out for the top 10 guys
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                • tessl
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                  • Apr 2007
                  • 5685

                  #383
                  Re: MLB The Show 23 Franchise, MTO, Presentation and Commentary Feature Premiere Brea

                  I didn't watch the video. Did they explain why they failed to include year to year saves?

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                  • Funkycorm
                    Cleveland Baseball Guru
                    • Nov 2016
                    • 3159

                    #384
                    Re: MLB The Show 23 Franchise, MTO, Presentation and Commentary Feature Premiere Brea

                    Originally posted by tessl
                    I didn't watch the video. Did they explain why they failed to include year to year saves?
                    About a year or so ago, one of the devs did an interview about year to year saves amongst other things. Essentially it was very hard to do year to year. It's on YouTube somewhere.

                    I think for the foreseeable future that y2y will not be a feature in the game. It stinks but that is the reality.

                    We are 3 years removed from it being a feature in the game and have to assume it is a thing of the past. I think if we want any chance of franchise mode moving forward, y2y has to be left out.
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                    • ninertravel
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                      • Aug 2015
                      • 4833

                      #385
                      Re: MLB The Show 23 Franchise, MTO, Presentation and Commentary Feature Premiere Brea

                      Originally posted by Funkycorm
                      About a year or so ago, one of the devs did an interview about year to year saves amongst other things. Essentially it was very hard to do year to year. It's on YouTube somewhere.

                      I think for the foreseeable future that y2y will not be a feature in the game. It stinks but that is the reality.

                      We are 3 years removed from it being a feature in the game and have to assume it is a thing of the past. I think if we want any chance of franchise mode moving forward, y2y has to be left out.
                      Yep and when it came to other consoles that probably created more work too.

                      I think though importing older rosters would be good to have and possible. it only made it into 20 and never seen again, it's a shame roster creators would love it then spend months of work again particularly the classic roster guys. I have to keep mlb 22 installed using up space on my drive just so I can load it up for to take videos to bring players across to 22. I wish I could just remove the game but I can't even run it off the external drive it has to sit there all year. it is what it is.

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                      • tessl
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                        • Apr 2007
                        • 5685

                        #386
                        Re: MLB The Show 23 Franchise, MTO, Presentation and Commentary Feature Premiere Brea

                        Originally posted by Funkycorm
                        About a year or so ago, one of the devs did an interview about year to year saves amongst other things. Essentially it was very hard to do year to year. It's on YouTube somewhere.

                        I think for the foreseeable future that y2y will not be a feature in the game. It stinks but that is the reality.

                        We are 3 years removed from it being a feature in the game and have to assume it is a thing of the past. I think if we want any chance of franchise mode moving forward, y2y has to be left out.
                        As you indicated it used to be in the game. It is doable. They simply don't want to spend the time to do it.

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                        • countryboy
                          Growing pains
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 52789

                          #387
                          Re: MLB The Show 23 Franchise, MTO, Presentation and Commentary Feature Premiere Brea

                          Originally posted by tessl
                          As you indicated it used to be in the game. It is doable. They simply don't want to spend the time to do it.
                          There is a reason why franchise mode became extremely stagnant when Y2Y saves were in the game.

                          And that reason being that it is extremely difficult to do any major changes (overhaul of draft) and get it to work properly with old save files.
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                          • CBoller1331
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                            • Dec 2013
                            • 3082

                            #388
                            Re: MLB The Show 23 Franchise, MTO, Presentation and Commentary Feature Premiere Brea

                            Originally posted by tessl
                            As you indicated it used to be in the game. It is doable. They simply don't want to spend the time to do it.
                            I don't think its that they don't want to spend the time, its more that its much more difficult to make any significant changes to the mode if they have to keep it compatible with previous versions of the game.
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                            • Funkycorm
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                              • Nov 2016
                              • 3159

                              #389
                              Re: MLB The Show 23 Franchise, MTO, Presentation and Commentary Feature Premiere Brea

                              Originally posted by tessl
                              As you indicated it used to be in the game. It is doable. They simply don't want to spend the time to do it.
                              I think they had to make a difficult decision and this was the best choice. Either hold franchise back or continue to support y2y but never improve franchise.

                              The dev in that interview said they want it back. But that there is a lot of work behind it.

                              It is not a simple spend the time or not spend the time issue. There were multiple factors that played into it. It wasn't a simple choice.

                              And don't get me wrong, I miss it. A lot. Many of us do. But we have to look from a different perspective.

                              Would someone rather have an improved franchise experience and one day get bigger rosters or do we want to carryover our franchises to the next stagnant version.
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                              • Armor and Sword
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                                • Sep 2010
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                                #390
                                Re: MLB The Show 23 Franchise, MTO, Presentation and Commentary Feature Premiere Brea

                                The only real tangible way Franchise mode gets to a better place is if they expand rosters to full A ball as well as 15 slots for international free agents or non roster invitees.

                                Until that happens I really don’t see how it can get a lot better. Yeah they could add QOL for league history page, full minor league historical stats etc. but a larger roster base would allow scouting and tue draft and team building AI to breath a lot better and become most likely deeper.

                                And I am one who throughly enjoys the mode already. Probably more than most.

                                Y2Y was an incredible feature. So hopefully once they feel they have done what they want to do with Franchise mode…..it can return.

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