Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

**EnigmaNemesis** · 03-12-2009, 05:45 PM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Originally posted by pbz06

Another thing I noticed is that I ground out into a lot of double plays. After the first couple times, I was furious and blamed the game's "code" or AI to always get the convenient double play when they need it.

But then I realized, wait a minute....I ground out regularly the whole game every game, bases empty or with runners on..lol. So I figured I just need to work on my hitting a bit before blaming the game.

:wink:

Somebody is starting to get it.

**jim416** · 03-12-2009, 05:46 PM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Originally posted by bears5122

I'm just saying you should take a step back and participate in the threads you enjoy. Let others do the same.

Wait a minute. A lot of gamers depend on honest/objective critiques of this game. This thread leaves a LOT to be desired in that area. So if you can't discuss this type of thread on their terms, just stay out? Don't think so.

**bears5122** · 03-12-2009, 05:48 PM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Originally posted by jim416

Wait a minute. A lot of gamers depend on honest/objective critiques of this game. This thread leaves a LOT to be desired in that area. So if you can't discuss this type of thread on their terms, just stay out? Don't think so.

I'm sure they do. And I think it's important that everyone discuss whether they are seeing this issue or not. My objection was to those demanding the thread be closed because they didn't like the content of it.

**jim416** · 03-12-2009, 05:50 PM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Originally posted by bears5122

I'm sure they do. And I think it's important that everyone discuss whether they are seeing this issue or not. My objective was to those demanding the thread be closed because they didn't like the content of it.

Well, when the dev has said repeatedly there is no comeback code in this game and people imply they aren't telling the truth, I think the thread has run it's course.

**baa7** · 03-12-2009, 05:54 PM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Originally posted by bears5122

I'm sure they do. And I think it's important that everyone discuss whether they are seeing this issue or not. My objective was to those demanding the thread be closed because they didn't like the content of it.

The problem once again is a few people are making things personal, talking about other posters having agendas, etc. The problem once again is that some people apparently don't understand the difference between commenting on the topic at hand, and critiqueing and commenting on other peoples' comments. At that point, it's no longer a discussion. So what's the point of keeping the thread open?

**bears5122** · 03-12-2009, 05:56 PM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Originally posted by jim416

Well, when the dev has said repeatedly there is no comeback code in this game and people imply they aren't telling the truth, I think the thread has run it's course.

While I believe the dev and SCEA has been very upfront with the community, I think it sets a bad precedent to just close thrads because a dev says so. Imagine what that would do to the Madden forums.

**SoxFan01605** · 03-12-2009, 05:56 PM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Originally posted by bears5122

I'm sure they do. And I think it's important that everyone discuss whether they are seeing this issue or not. My objection was to those demanding the thread be closed because they didn't like the content of it.

I think the issue some people have isn't the discussion of how the game plays out, it's the ascertation that there HAS TO BE "comeback AI" at play because some people feel there is.

It's the conspiracy theorists who, even after Russell came in here and gave an emphatic "NO!" and saw evidence that people are finishing out games with no influence of such, continue to scream "CHEAT" from the rooftops.

THAT is not a discussion. It's argumentative. If people feel something out of the ordinary is happening in late innings and wish to discuss potential reasoning and solutions, then that's productive. Reading through though, that's not what's happening here.

What IS happening , is people are claiming there is comeback code and then defiantly ignoring anyone who tries to offer alternative suggestion, including an SCEA rep. They claim it bears out over time, yet refuse to test these suggestions over the same time. THAT'S the disconnect here.

I'm not saying that's the case for everyone (and I'm not applying that to you either

), but it's almost like some took it personally that the developer shot down their theory.

I'm also not saying that people who believe it to be false haven't had purely argumentative posts on their side of things either (they have). That's the point...it stopped being a real "discussion" a while ago.

People will believe what they want, but to discuss it ONLY under the banner of "comeback AI" is never going to be productive

Just my two pennies.

**EnigmaNemesis** · 03-12-2009, 05:59 PM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Man SoxFan, your discussions are so good sometimes, it is almost scary.

I proclaim you the Jebus of Discourse!

Not a knock, I really always enjoy your writings. Good show!

**bears5122** · 03-12-2009, 06:00 PM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis

It is one thing to debate color of socks or helmets because that is fact, another to debate something that does not exist when they are told by a developer it does not exist.

Devs have also said that the doubles issue is fixed from last year. Do you believe we should shut down all the sliders threads that are making efforts to increase doubles since a dev says the problem doesn't exist?

I honestly just don't get why some of you get so upset over this thread. Why not offer some helpful advice to people who are having trouble holding leads?

**VanillaGorilla** · 03-12-2009, 06:01 PM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

I scoffed at this notion too, until last night, when I was giving up 4 pitch walks on perfectly executed pitches with Joe Nathan, and my infielders refused to even bend at the waist to pick up ground balls.

**EnigmaNemesis** · 03-12-2009, 06:03 PM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Originally posted by bears5122

I honestly just don't get why some of you get so upset over this thread. Why not offer some helpful advice to people who are having trouble holding leads?

Did you only read the last few pages? We have done that, and people have scoffed at us for it, and were stubborn to say it was AI comeback code.

Read what SoxFan wrote, this is why it turned out this way.

You can never tell people if they are making mistakes while playing, because they all know baseball, how to play, pitching and batter tendencies and perfectly execute everything. I am willing to bet 90% that are complaining and slinging venom, don't even hit the select button and study the stats of the game.

**bears5122** · 03-12-2009, 06:04 PM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Originally posted by SoxFan01605

I think the issue some people have isn't the discussion of how the game plays out, it's the ascertation that there HAS TO BE "comeback AI" at play because some people feel there is.

It's the conspiracy theorists who, even after Russell came in here and gave an emphatic "NO!" and saw evidence that people are finishing out games with no influence of such, continue to scream "CHEAT" from the rooftops.

THAT is not a discussion. It's argumentative. If people feel something out of the ordinary is happening in late innings and wish to discuss potential reasoning and solutions, then that's productive. Reading through though, that's not what's happening here.

What IS happening , is people are claiming there is comeback code and then defiantly ignoring anyone who tries to offer alternative suggestion, including an SCEA rep. They claim it bears out over time, yet refuse to test these suggestions over the same time. THAT'S the disconnect here.

I'm not saying that's the case for everyone (and I'm not applying that to you either

), but it's almost like some took it personally that the developer shot down their theory.

I'm also not saying that people who believe it to be false haven't had purely argumentative posts on their side of things either (they have). That's the point...it stopped being a real "discussion" a while ago.

People will believe what they want, but to discuss it ONLY under the banner of "comeback AI" is never going to be productive

Just my two pennies.

And I'm saying who cares if some people want to argue about a non-existent comeback AI? It doesn't detract from my experience with the game or have any impact on my life. Let them run around in circles.

**EnigmaNemesis** · 03-12-2009, 06:06 PM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Originally posted by bears5122

And I'm saying who cares if some people want to argue about a non-existent comeback AI? It doesn't detract from my experience with the game or have any impact on my life. Let them run around in circles.

It detracts from this community, which never dealt with these things in the past.

And is a slap to the devs face when they are called liars straight up. And would not be surprised if these types of things are allowed to continue, that the interaction with them will not.

**countryboy** · 03-12-2009, 06:09 PM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Originally posted by countryboy

For those seeing "comeback AI":

* Is it happening every game?

* Does difficulty level matter?

* Do slider adjustments matter?

* Not sure if its an option, but does turning off clutch make a difference?

* Do you ever win?

* Does it happen in a certain inning?

* Does it happen when the score differential is at a certain mark?

* Does changing pitchers make a difference?

* Does using mound visits make a difference?

* Have you tried saving the game and reloading when you feel its happening?

If you could provide some in detail facts as to when its happening maybe the devs could take a look and see if maybe something inadvertantly is turning comeback code on?

Has anyone thats seen it tried to duplicate it multiple times? The reason I ask is that, maybe there is something happening thats triggering the comeback ai to kick in. Maybe its a glitch thats turning it on?

I personally have not seen it, but that doesn't mean it can't be there. I think what someone should do is take the same two teams, with the same two starting pitchers and play 10 games in a row between the two and take notes of what happens.

The reason I say this, is if you're playing franchise or random games, you have other factors that come into play. Maybe you're team(bullpen) is in a slump during franchise, maybe you just happen to stumble across two game in a row where the bullpen of the random teams your playing as just blow up. You have to try and eliminate as many outside factors as you can.

Just my .02 and I'll toss a nickel by saying that these conspiracy theories and this bickering back and forth isn't going to find a solution.

**SoxFan01605** · 03-12-2009, 06:10 PM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Originally posted by bears5122

And I'm saying who cares if some people want to argue about a non-existent comeback AI? It doesn't detract from my experience with the game or have any impact on my life. Let them run around in circles.

I'm guessing people who are honestly seeking some form of aide to their late-inning situation care quite a bit. Tough to get any form of help when wading through the all the slain horses of this little turf war about "comeback code."

Whatever though...not my fight and this is only going to further clutter things.

Enjoy the game

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