Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

[bears5122]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Here is my question - if they programmed the AI to cheat, then why did they add a "Comeback" option to the game?

I think the word cheat is being misused, as well as comeback. A lot of people were noticing an anamolly where it seemed like leads would vanish very quickly no matter what you did or who was pitching. It obviously hit enough people that they thought something odd was going on. The thread should be about why a lot of people are seeing this, what may be the reason (if any), and if there is a way to fix it.

I personally don't believe it's a "comeback AI". It doesn't necessarily act as one since large leads don't diminish. It seems to only impact close games for me. Going through my box scores, it's fairly obvious from my perspective. The see-saw late in games is beyond what you'd find in a normal baseball game. I'm also seeing that pitchers who work in close games late are getting hit much harder than those who are pitching in garbage time. The ones pitching in close games are also much better pitchers obviously.

My 3 thoughts are this:

1) Clutch. It's in the game for a reason and many relievers have low levels of it. Perhaps this lowers their ability to perform in close games late (would make sense, right?). Many of us have noticed star closers coming in and not being able to hit their spots.

2) The losing team changes their approach. Perhaps they are more patient, swing for power more often, or whatever else.

3) It is just a weird coincidence a lot of us are seeing and will even out over time.

For now, I think clutch has some role in this and may be the reason people are having tough times closing out games and holding leads.

[twiztiddarkangelman]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Nobody is hammering anyone or degrading them or WE WOULD HAVE BEEN disciplined. And you of all should check your post history on constructive discourse or not before you call the kettle black.

We made suggestions way back in this threads infant state, which got us bashed because nobody can rationally step outside their box for a minute and take in some constructive feedback.

Instead they act as most humans on the globe, and that is reactionary posting. Playing 5 games out of 100+ game marathon all of a sudden constitutes comeback AI and anomalies the devs are lying to us about.

No. . . most were just saying what they were running into while playing, and before anyone takes that statement apart. I said most, not all.

[EnigmaNemesis]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

No. . . most were just saying what they were running into while playing, and before anyone takes that statement apart. I said most, not all.

And as did we. I have screenshots posted and testing to prove otherwise as well.

But of course, all that gets forgotten 10 pages back of the now heated, hurt feeling, lashings.

And devs not being called liars, but we just dont believe them postings.

[countryboy]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Ok, we know that the devs have set it up so that, unless you have the comeback option on, then its non-existent. Therefore, if this "comeback ai" is indeed happening, then it has to be a glitch that is triggering the option to kick in.

My question is this, is anyone putting this game through testing to see what might be triggering this glitch, assuming there is one? Is there a constant in the games that you've witnessed "comeback ai"? (same score differential, same inning, same sequence of events, same team, same venue, etc...)

I see a lot of bickering back and forth but very little "investigative gaming" to see what might be causing this glitch, again assuming its actually happening.

[twiztiddarkangelman]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

I can only say what I have run into in 14 games on HOF. Playing as the Mets 12 of those 14 games were decided by 1 run 1 game by 2 runs and 1 game by 4 runs. the games with the 2 and 4 run difference are games I lost. They scored early and I never really posed any threat. in the rest of the games all low scoring affairs in 5 of those I held the lead until the 8th and 9th innings 3 of them blown saves by KRod 2 of them after 2 were out. And in just about all of these games any time I scored, the very next half inning the cpu scored. All I can say about this, is that its odd, I doubt it has anything to do with some "comeback AI" But it is odd and there are plenty of people who post here and in other threads who have experienced it. And that's all I'll say about it. I love the way this game looks and plays otherwise, but I do believe its pointless to Attack people.

[countryboy]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

I can only say what I have run into in 14 games on HOF. Playing as the Mets 12 of those 14 games were decided by 1 run 1 game by 2 runs and 1 game by 4 runs. the games with the 2 and 4 run difference are games I lost. They scored early and I never really posed any threat. in the rest of the games all low scoring affairs in 5 of those I held the lead until the 8th and 9th innings 3 of them blown saves by KRod 2 of them after 2 were out. And in just about all of these games any time I scored, the very next half inning the cpu scored. All I can say about this, is that its odd, I doubt it has anything to do with some "comeback AI" But it is odd and there are plenty of people who post here and in other threads who have experienced it. And that's all I'll say about it. I love the way this game looks and plays otherwise, but I do believe its pointless to Attack people.

Were these franchise mode games?

[K_GUN]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Ok, we know that the devs have set it up so that, unless you have the comeback option on, then its non-existent. Therefore, if this "comeback ai" is indeed happening, then it has to be a glitch that is triggering the option to kick in.

My question is this, is anyone putting this game through testing to see what might be triggering this glitch, assuming there is one? Is there a constant in the games that you've witnessed "comeback ai"? (same score differential, same inning, same sequence of events, same team, same venue, etc...)

I see a lot of bickering back and forth but very little "investigative gaming" to see what might be causing this glitch, again assuming its actually happening.

my question(s) to the DEVS would be..........

.....why even have a 'comeback option' in the first place?

what are you hoping to accomplish with that feature 'visible'?

you guys (the DEVS) just set yourselves up with this whole thing

[twiztiddarkangelman]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Were these franchise mode games?

Yes they were Country.

[countryboy]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Yes they were Country.

Is there any chance that player morale and/or fatigue could've played a part in the blown saves?

Also, do you change up your pitch routine to the batters?

[twiztiddarkangelman]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

No both KRod and Putz was rested. What really pissed me off was Livan Hernandez was pitching a 3 hit shutout through 7 and I took him out because he was drained. Putz came in, in the 8th quickly got the first 2 outs, then gave up a bomb, then k'd the next batter. In the 9th KRod came in and on a 0-2 count hit the batter, then a double, k'd the next batter, then gave up a 3 run bomb. game over. I've brought him in twice and each time he blew the save.

[twiztiddarkangelman]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

I pitch, high and tight and low and away

[SoxFan01605]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

I pitch, high and tight and low and away

Is that a general rule of thumb, of a basic pattern you follow?

If the latter, it's likely too patterned and could be your problem late in games. Try mixing in some stuff down-and-in and up-and-away. Also, check the hot/cold zones for the hitters. You may be playing into some hitter's strengths there.

Sorry to jump in, but that "pattern" (if indeed that's how you're using it) jumped out at me. The AI will KILL those kind of habits if you follow it too regularly.

[countryboy]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

No both KRod and Putz was rested. What really pissed me off was Livan Hernandez was pitching a 3 hit shutout through 7 and I took him out because he was drained. Putz came in, in the 8th quickly got the first 2 outs, then gave up a bomb, then k'd the next batter. In the 9th KRod came in and on a 0-2 count hit the batter, then a double, k'd the next batter, then gave up a 3 run bomb. game over. I've brought him in twice and each time he blew the save.

In that instance, of course on the outside looking in, I would say that KRod became rattled a bit after hitting a batter on a 0-2 count and then giving up the double. Either that are he wasn't really spotting his pitches all that well that night. Again, this is from the outside looking in.

Were you able to spot his pitches with good accuracy? Quick question, do you use meter or classic pitching? Did you try to settle him down after the double?

Was the 2nd blown save in similar manner? Was there anything that happened exactly the same in the first blown save and the second? Were they against the same team?

[DallasRocks]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

No both KRod and Putz was rested. What really pissed me off was Livan Hernandez was pitching a 3 hit shutout through 7 and I took him out because he was drained. Putz came in, in the 8th quickly got the first 2 outs, then gave up a bomb, then k'd the next batter. In the 9th KRod came in and on a 0-2 count hit the batter, then a double, k'd the next batter, then gave up a 3 run bomb. game over. I've brought him in twice and each time he blew the save.

No thats just K-Rod being K-Rod lol Being an Angel fan I'm glad to see him leave. But seriously I've been having the same problems mentioned in this thread and I play on veteran and still see it. Same story every game, Starter pitches 7 solid innings and the pen comes in and blows it or makes it entirely to close. My last 10 games have all been a 1 or 2 run game

[countryboy]

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

I pitch, high and tight and low and away

Do you do this every batter, every time?