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  • phillyfan23
    MVP
    • Feb 2005
    • 2319

    #706
    Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

    Originally posted by VanillaGorilla
    Yeah, there is just too much of a coincidence with the stuff I am seeing. It would be different if, my pitchers were tired, and I walked a guy, gave up a bloop single, then a 3 run bomb. But I go from pitching great in a close game, to opening up a decent lead on offense, then getting absolutely shelled the next inning. And it doesn't matter where I am throwing it, or how. Even singles are rocket shots up the middle. Players who couldn't hit lefties worth a damn, and have every single hitting zone Blue, are crushing balls into the gap. Even if I hit the pitching meter perfectly. Then, all of a sudden, as soon as the game is back within their reach, they go back to hitting realistically. I'm going to try it with Comeback ON next time.
    what took you so long to try this man? heheh I ate this up the second I saw it. Maybe you only started to see the comeback trends lately eh?

    anyways, I experienced the same EXACT thing, scrubs were hitting doubles on pitches that were high and in...just unrealistic things.

    Hope you have a better experience with it ON just like me and others here.

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    • Chai2112
      Pro
      • Mar 2007
      • 574

      #707
      Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

      Davewins, thanks for sharing your theory.

      I haven't turned comeback ON, but here are a few frustrating games I just played with comeback OFF (default). 4 Losses in a row, all coming by way of late inning comebacks by the computer. One game I was pitching a 2-hitter into the 9th, leading 4-2, then got shell shocked. 3 straight hits and a grand slam to end it. Then the next game I was pitching a 3-hitter in the 8th, leading 3-1. The computer ties it up. Then in the top of the ninth I hit a homerun to go up 4-3. Next inning first batter - computer ties it up with a homerun. Then in the 12th, computer gets 3 straight hits to win it. I think I'm gonna play a few more and if this continues I will definitely try turning Comeback ON. Wow, these kind of losses are annoying to say the least.

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      • davewins
        MVP
        • Sep 2005
        • 1913

        #708
        Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

        Originally posted by Tommy03xxx
        I still agree with davewins too. This has saved the game for my brother and me. We also both had to delete and reinstall the game from our systems because we had the issue of the game getting the difficulty levels mixed up or confused or something.

        Believe me, my brother is the hardest person in the world to convince to try something like this. In his mind, it's, "F*** this game. It's bs. Get me some updated rosters for '08 so I can go back to it. This game is f'd up."

        He finally is a believer after about a week of playing with comeback turned on.

        BTW, davewins, I forgot to thank you before. So, thanks a million for trying this and reporting your findings. I doubt I would have tried it if it weren't for you. I was almost ready to give up and go back to '08 too.

        So, in closing, I don't think there is a clear cut right or wrong. There seem to be a lot of inconsistencies from one gamer to the next. Like dave said, play it whichever way works best for you. For me, it's with comeback turned on.
        You are very welcome. Thank YOU for posting your findings here!

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        • jpup
          MVP
          • Feb 2003
          • 4571

          #709
          Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

          Originally posted by Chai2112
          Davewins, thanks for sharing your theory.

          I haven't turned comeback ON, but here are a few frustrating games I just played with comeback OFF (default). 4 Losses in a row, all coming by way of late inning comebacks by the computer. One game I was pitching a 2-hitter into the 9th, leading 4-2, then got shell shocked. 3 straight hits and a grand slam to end it. Then the next game I was pitching a 3-hitter in the 8th, leading 3-1. The computer ties it up. Then in the top of the ninth I hit a homerun to go up 4-3. Next inning first batter - computer ties it up with a homerun. Then in the 12th, computer gets 3 straight hits to win it. I think I'm gonna play a few more and if this continues I will definitely try turning Comeback ON. Wow, these kind of losses are annoying to say the least.
          It's definitely there. Whether there is a big difference with it off or on is another question, but there is an AI rubberband in there. I'm not sure why we aren't allowed to disagree because when you play all these games and continually see it, then something is going on. I have played this series for years and have never witnessed anything like what I am seeing.

          I'll continually fiddle with it and try it off again, but I want to keep playing with it on and see what happens. As soon as I turned it on, I felt like someone took the handcuffs off.
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          • mfbball04
            Rookie
            • Jan 2009
            • 367

            #710
            Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

            wow, the only reason i came on this forum tonight was to see if anyone was having this problem, and wow thank god... i havent visited OS since i got the game, and 2 smashed controllers (put back together) haha here i am... i definitely have to try this, i was seriously thinking about giving up on this game, the comeback logic was absolutely ridiculous... if im playing with mariano rivera and a no name rookie takes my inside cutter opposite field for a 3 run blast to win, yeah thats b.s., i have seriously probably played about 15 different franchises with different teams to see if it was just me playing bad.. i even tried trading all stars to my team and had all the best players on my team and the cpu still came back.. many times ive had a 1,2,3 hitter going into late innings then give up 3-4 runs and end up losing... i'll def try this out..thanks guys
            Last edited by mfbball04; 03-27-2009, 01:19 AM.

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            • swaldo
              MVP
              • Jul 2002
              • 1268

              #711
              Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

              Yesterday I was playing all star comeback OFF and Lackey cruised through 2 shutout innings. I then went on a tear and jumped out to a 9-0 lead. Instead of thinking how great this was I thought "Oh no! What's the CPU going to do?"

              In this situation real life pitchers would challenge hitters throwing lots of strikes to get the ball in play so everyone can go home (especially on "get away" day). Tried that and HR, HR so I had to get cute and paint corners the whole game. The CPU didn't chase anything - 0-2 counts and just missing with ensuing pitches? No check swing, no protecting the plate etc. I threw everything at them including the kitchen sink and they just kept fighting their way back. Meanwhile my offense shut down as if they had to face Nolan Ryan for 7 innings. Final score 9-7 but I would've lost if it weren't for 3 baserunning glitches that ended up in my favor. Uggh!

              For anyone just reading this thread all star level comeback on is no better - every game the CPU came charging back on me. It seems legend players are the only ones happy here.
              Last edited by swaldo; 03-27-2009, 02:22 AM.

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              • JoeC
                Look Watch
                • Mar 2003
                • 289

                #712
                Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                I havent had any problems with crazy cpu comebacks at least not yet. I have played close to 30 games and have not seen anything out of the ordinary. I am playing on All Star with a few slider adjustments. The last game I played I beat the Giants with the Dodgers 7-2 and both of the Giants runs came before the 6th off of Kuroda. Wade had a 1-2-3 7th, Saito gave up a single in the 8th and then Broxton struck out the side in the 9th. I have had many games go this way with my pen shutting things down. I have also had them get rocked but thats baseball. I have been shut down several times by the cpu pen and have rocked them a couple of times. My biggest win has been 10-1 and my biggest loss has been 11-3. I have had 2 shutouts 1 with Sabathia and 1 with Lincecum. I have been shutout twice also one by Oswalt and one was a group effort by the Cardinals. All of this is with cpu comebacks set to off I have not touched that setting once. Now I am not saying that everyone on here is dreaming what they are seeing I am not saying that at all. Just wanted to throw the results that I am having into the discussion.

                Oh and all of my games have been exibition games dont know if that makes a difference or not.
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                • brunnoce
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 4133

                  #713
                  Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                  Originally posted by swaldo
                  Yesterday I was playing all star comeback OFF and Lackey cruised through 2 shutout innings. I then went on a tear and jumped out to a 9-0 lead. Instead of thinking how great this was I thought "Oh no! What's the CPU going to do?"

                  In this situation real life pitchers would challenge hitters throwing lots of strikes to get the ball in play so everyone can go home (especially on "get away" day). Tried that and HR, HR so I had to get cute and paint corners the whole game. The CPU didn't chase anything - 0-2 counts and just missing with ensuing pitches? No check swing, no protecting the plate etc. I threw everything at them including the kitchen sink and they just kept fighting their way back. Meanwhile my offense shut down as if they had to face Nolan Ryan for 7 innings. Final score 9-7 but I would've lost if it weren't for 3 baserunning glitches that ended up in my favor. Uggh!

                  For anyone just reading this thread all star level comeback on is no better - every game the CPU came charging back on me. It seems legend players are the only ones happy here.

                  wait, u said u played this game with comeback OFF right?
                  becasue this sounds as a classical exemple off what i had when i had OFF too..now with ON i dont get those annoying games anymore(not everytime at least)...and am not talking only about games im winning but i would aways comeback on the AI once they had a big lead over me too.
                  Last edited by brunnoce; 03-27-2009, 06:28 AM.
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                  • brunnoce
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 4133

                    #714
                    Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                    Originally posted by jpup
                    It's definitely there. Whether there is a big difference with it off or on is another question, but there is an AI rubberband in there. I'm not sure why we aren't allowed to disagree because when you play all these games and continually see it, then something is going on. I have played this series for years and have never witnessed anything like what I am seeing.

                    I'll continually fiddle with it and try it off again, but I want to keep playing with it on and see what happens. As soon as I turned it on, I felt like someone took the handcuffs off.

                    couldnt agree more man...
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                    • davewins
                      MVP
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 1913

                      #715
                      Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                      Originally posted by JoeC
                      I havent had any problems with crazy cpu comebacks at least not yet. I have played close to 30 games and have not seen anything out of the ordinary. I am playing on All Star with a few slider adjustments. The last game I played I beat the Giants with the Dodgers 7-2 and both of the Giants runs came before the 6th off of Kuroda. Wade had a 1-2-3 7th, Saito gave up a single in the 8th and then Broxton struck out the side in the 9th. I have had many games go this way with my pen shutting things down. I have also had them get rocked but thats baseball. I have been shut down several times by the cpu pen and have rocked them a couple of times. My biggest win has been 10-1 and my biggest loss has been 11-3. I have had 2 shutouts 1 with Sabathia and 1 with Lincecum. I have been shutout twice also one by Oswalt and one was a group effort by the Cardinals. All of this is with cpu comebacks set to off I have not touched that setting once. Now I am not saying that everyone on here is dreaming what they are seeing I am not saying that at all. Just wanted to throw the results that I am having into the discussion.

                      Oh and all of my games have been exibition games dont know if that makes a difference or not.
                      Hey man thanx for your input. It's nice to hear from both sides of this and you did in a very respectful manner. Glad you are enjoying the game!

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                      • davewins
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 1913

                        #716
                        Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                        Originally posted by swaldo
                        Yesterday I was playing all star comeback OFF and Lackey cruised through 2 shutout innings. I then went on a tear and jumped out to a 9-0 lead. Instead of thinking how great this was I thought "Oh no! What's the CPU going to do?"

                        In this situation real life pitchers would challenge hitters throwing lots of strikes to get the ball in play so everyone can go home (especially on "get away" day). Tried that and HR, HR so I had to get cute and paint corners the whole game. The CPU didn't chase anything - 0-2 counts and just missing with ensuing pitches? No check swing, no protecting the plate etc. I threw everything at them including the kitchen sink and they just kept fighting their way back. Meanwhile my offense shut down as if they had to face Nolan Ryan for 7 innings. Final score 9-7 but I would've lost if it weren't for 3 baserunning glitches that ended up in my favor. Uggh!

                        For anyone just reading this thread all star level comeback on is no better - every game the CPU came charging back on me. It seems legend players are the only ones happy here.
                        Ok, THIS is THE biggest thing that I notice when I play with comeback option turned ON. The CPU bats more humanlike the entire game. If I make a mistake or my guy is getting tired and I give up some runs then it all feels organic. I have struck out the CPU batters on hanging curves that caught a lot of the zone looking and swinging. I have struck them out on check swing appeals. I have gotten them to swing at JUNK and I mean JUNK. Balls 1 foot outside. They either foul them off weakly or hit a weak ground ball. This is the main thing that I see when I turn this ON. It's too vague of an "issue" to completley determine if there is comeback built in but it is not vague at all to see the difference in how the CPU batters behave.

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                        • Yankees_CT
                          Greatest "Show" on Earth!
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 248

                          #717
                          Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                          Well, I didn’t want to join in this thread but I could no longer resist. I don’t know if there is this dramatic comeback AI or not and I will not oppose those that say they are seeing it. I only know that for myself, I have NEVER played a baseball video game where the computer AI can keep it so close and that, to me, is exciting and keeps me coming back for more. I have played 63 games in my chise and I am 39-24. Usually at this point, on the highest difficulty level of any baseball game I have ever played I would probably have only lost 5 games and would be cruising right on to the series. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>
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                          Not here though, and lets think about why that is. After a few games of every past baseball experience we familiarize ourselves with the pitching mechanics and are dominant from there on out. We can’t be touched, our ERA’s with everyone on the staff are in the 1’s and even if we have a terrible hitting day our pitching would always save us. I say if there is a cheat/comeback for the AI, I hate to say it but I welcome it. I don’t know if I am going to win or lose going into every game. I think we have become so use to eventually just winning and winning with ease that we come to expect it out of our sports games, baseball specifically.<o></o>
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                          Well that’s my 2 cents, again I don’t want to tell anyone that they are right or wrong, because there is no right or wrong but I don’t want them to patch or change this game either, I have never had this much fun with a baseball video game. On or Off, comeback or no comeback, roided up computer AI or not….I’m lovin’ it!<o></o>

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                          • davewins
                            MVP
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 1913

                            #718
                            Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                            Originally posted by Yankees_CT
                            Well, I didn’t want to join in this thread but I could no longer resist. I don’t know if there is this dramatic comeback AI or not and I will not oppose those that say they are seeing it. I only know that for myself, I have NEVER played a baseball video game where the computer AI can keep it so close and that, to me, is exciting and keeps me coming back for more. I have played 63 games in my chise and I am 39-24. Usually at this point, on the highest difficulty level of any baseball game I have ever played I would probably have only lost 5 games and would be cruising right on to the series. ffice:office" /><O></O>
                            <O> </O>
                            Not here though, and lets think about why that is. After a few games of every past baseball experience we familiarize ourselves with the pitching mechanics and are dominant from there on out. We can’t be touched, our ERA’s with everyone on the staff are in the 1’s and even if we have a terrible hitting day our pitching would always save us. I say if there is a cheat/comeback for the AI, I hate to say it but I welcome it. I don’t know if I am going to win or lose going into every game. I think we have become so use to eventually just winning and winning with ease that we come to expect it out of our sports games, baseball specifically.<O></O>
                            <O> </O>
                            Well that’s my 2 cents, again I don’t want to tell anyone that they are right or wrong, because there is no right or wrong but I don’t want them to patch or change this game either, I have never had this much fun with a baseball video game. On or Off, comeback or no comeback, roided up computer AI or not….I’m lovin’ it!<O></O>
                            Funny thing is for me personally I was having the most exciting games of baseball ever played on any baseball video game of my entire life with this set to OFF prior to trying with it ON. I posted so many threads about my games because I had to share them with somebody. I was compelled to tell my friends about some of these exciting games that don't even play video games. They thought I was nuts. I actually think I honestly had a better winning percentage with this option OFF then ON but the thing was for me personally a lot of my wins felt cheap. I felt like I didn't even time my swing that good and the CPU just made so many more mistakes when they were up big that something had to be up. It actually plays tougher for me anyway with it set to ON. But tougher in a realistic way.

                            Bottom line....I'm glad you are enjoying the game and I know exactly where you are coming from.

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                            • brunnoce
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 4133

                              #719
                              Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                              Originally posted by Yankees_CT
                              Well, I didn’t want to join in this thread but I could no longer resist. I don’t know if there is this dramatic comeback AI or not and I will not oppose those that say they are seeing it. I only know that for myself, I have NEVER played a baseball video game where the computer AI can keep it so close and that, to me, is exciting and keeps me coming back for more. I have played 63 games in my chise and I am 39-24. Usually at this point, on the highest difficulty level of any baseball game I have ever played I would probably have only lost 5 games and would be cruising right on to the series. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>
                              <o> </o>
                              Not here though, and lets think about why that is. After a few games of every past baseball experience we familiarize ourselves with the pitching mechanics and are dominant from there on out. We can’t be touched, our ERA’s with everyone on the staff are in the 1’s and even if we have a terrible hitting day our pitching would always save us. I say if there is a cheat/comeback for the AI, I hate to say it but I welcome it. I don’t know if I am going to win or lose going into every game. I think we have become so use to eventually just winning and winning with ease that we come to expect it out of our sports games, baseball specifically.<o></o>
                              <o> </o>
                              Well that’s my 2 cents, again I don’t want to tell anyone that they are right or wrong, because there is no right or wrong but I don’t want them to patch or change this game either, I have never had this much fun with a baseball video game. On or Off, comeback or no comeback, roided up computer AI or not….I’m lovin’ it!<o></o>
                              We all are!

                              btw, great post!
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                              • phillyfan23
                                MVP
                                • Feb 2005
                                • 2319

                                #720
                                Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                                Originally posted by brunnoce
                                We all are!

                                btw, great post!

                                hehe more people are seeing the light !! no more arguments....if u like it on play with it on, klike it off play with it off. we both win!
                                Last edited by phillyfan23; 03-27-2009, 12:16 PM.

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