What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

[Knight165]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Here is the problem and shortsightedness of the "PERFECT/PERFECT" aspect brought up on hitting so far.
You are only looking at one side of the coin.
You guys are completely dismissing and leaving out the PITCHING side of the situation.
If the PITCHER throws a "PERFECT/PERFECT" pitch...and the batter hits it "PERFECT/PERFECT"....and you are saying that it should ALWAYS be hit hard and never for a pop out of weak grounder or anything except a line drive-deep fly-up the middle-or pulled ball than your theory is RIDICULOUSLY UNREALISTIC.
You're not hitting a P/P off of a tee fellas.
To give the hitter the nod in that situation every time out is NOT realistic. No way...no how.


M.K.
Knight165

[acts238shaun]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

SB's in RTTS, add A ball, rookie ball and give us the opton to start of where we want in rtts.

[BlackBetty15]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Here is the problem and shortsightedness of the "PERFECT/PERFECT" aspect brought up on hitting so far.
You are only looking at one side of the coin.
You guys are completely dismissing and leaving out the PITCHING side of the situation.
If the PITCHER throws a "PERFECT/PERFECT" pitch...and the batter hits it "PERFECT/PERFECT"....and you are saying that it should ALWAYS be hit hard and never for a pop out of weak grounder or anything except a line drive-deep fly-up the middle-or pulled ball than your theory is RIDICULOUSLY UNREALISTIC.
You're not hitting a P/P off of a tee fellas.
To give the hitter the nod in that situation every time out is NOT realistic. No way...no how.


M.K.
Knight165

All this talk about hitting engines has me weirdly interested. I, as of now dont like the hitting as it is. I remember back in ASB days with the N64 where the bat reticle was how you hit and you could intentionally angle the reticle to try for HR's or Grounders. That was pretty cool. My only problem with that is, it makes the batters eye busy as far as things goin on in the middle of the screen. I like the MVP hitting style where you took the pitch wherever it was pitched to you. Like a pitch low inside you would aim the analog low and inside and hit the button and the ratings equation would then happen. I love the analog swing stick that 2K has, my wish is that they would do timing like 2k8's swing stick. I think that added a batters skill where you had to time the hitters step witht he pitch and then contact to ball. If the incorperated the MVP let stick analog bat location witht he 2k8 hitting mechanic then I would be in sim baseball heaven. Thats just me though.

[rancid13]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

i really think customizable views need to be looked at, especially for pitching and hitting. also an option to turn off all the displays while hitting and pitching - like what happens sometimes after coming out of the pause menu, and have them pop up when you press L3 or something similar.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Here is the problem and shortsightedness of the "PERFECT/PERFECT" aspect brought up on hitting so far.
You are only looking at one side of the coin.
You guys are completely dismissing and leaving out the PITCHING side of the situation.
If the PITCHER throws a "PERFECT/PERFECT" pitch...and the batter hits it "PERFECT/PERFECT"....and you are saying that it should ALWAYS be hit hard and never for a pop out of weak grounder or anything except a line drive-deep fly-up the middle-or pulled ball than your theory is RIDICULOUSLY UNREALISTIC.
You're not hitting a P/P off of a tee fellas.
To give the hitter the nod in that situation every time out is NOT realistic. No way...no how.


M.K.
Knight165

This is a great point.

Knight, look through my last few posts. I mentioned what I believed to be the other factors, which were similar to this that should be considered too.

I did fail to mention the pitcher's perfect/perfect, but I listed out some other batter and non-batter related factors to consider in why perfect/perfect should NOT always result in bases.

Knight...you always shed some truth in complex discussion! Thank you for pointing this out. Very well put!

[BobSacamano]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Knight is definitely right with his take on the hitting system. I will add that in my opinion all they really need to do is tone down how much impact pitcher confidence has on the hitting equation. In my admittedly unscientific opinion it seems to be the one factor that tilts the pitcher-batter match-up disproportionately. I truly don't think "confidence" (or whatever that means) plays much of a role in baseball. Either a pitcher's good or he's not. Sure, there are times when a guy's stuff just isn't there or he's a little rattled but his natural ability should still control 95% of the time.

[EnigmaNemesis]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Knight is definitely right with his take on the hitting system. I will add that in my opinion all they really need to do is tone down how much impact pitcher confidence has on the hitting equation. In my admittedly unscientific opinion it seems to be the one factor that tilts the pitcher-batter match-up disproportionately. I truly don't think "confidence" (or whatever that means) plays much of a role in baseball. Either a pitcher's good or he's not. Sure, there are times when a guy's stuff just isn't there or he's a little rattled but his natural ability should still control 95% of the time.

I can definitely agree about the pitcher confidence thing. It should be in the game still, because some guys can be "on" or "off" in a game of baseball, even the worst #5 starter will have at least one "on" game in the season.

Working on refining/tweaking it though should definitely not be out of the question.

[Crash Davis]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

I can definitely agree about the pitcher confidence thing. It should be in the game still, because some guys can be "on" or "off" in a game of baseball, even the worst #5 starter will have at least one "on" game in the season.

Working on refining/tweaking it though should definitely not be out of the question.

I just read this and this only, but to whoever was complaining, pitcher confidence is an option soooo..... no big deal leave it the way it is.

[EnigmaNemesis]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

I just read this and this only, but to whoever was complaining, pitcher confidence is an option soooo..... no big deal leave it the way it is.

Option or not, it still needs to be tweaked a bit. There is always room for improvement for every aspect added to almost any game.

And I have full confidence in SCEA to do so, sine they are always refining this beauty.

[countryboy]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

I just read this and this only, but to whoever was complaining, pitcher confidence is an option soooo..... no big deal leave it the way it is.

pitcher confidence is not optional, at least not overall pitcher confidence. The confidence you turn off is in regards to individual pitches.

[Kearnzo]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

First of all, I can't help but laugh at the "P/P should be a lined shot every time" argument. That is just absolutely, positively not how it works in real life.

As far as things getting changed, i'd honestly be happy with the animations/results of certain animations being worked on. That was the one thing that ultimately did me in with 10. So many instances of horrid animations resulting in big innings that should have been prevented. I understand that big innings happen all the time off defender miscues, but when I see the same animation of the pitcher taking forever to get a squibber in front of the mound to first base resulting in an infield hit, I get frustrated. The biggest problem is, a play like that has just as much of a negative effect on confidence as a rocket to the gap, resulting in my pitcher completely losing his nerve regardless of how good he is.

I really wish there was a rating that more or less effected how shaken up a pitcher would get after giving up a few hits in a row, or a big home run. A guy like Roy Halladay is not going to start completely missing spots and leave pitches belt high down the middle just because he gave up two singles in a row. Now, a guy like Oliver Perez is going to crumple up into the fetal position in the same situation. If there was a rating that effected how much confidence a pitcher lost depending on certain outcomes, or at least reduce the amount of control a pitcher loses when his confidence drops. We've all seen Roy Halladay have rough starts to games, only to fire off 6 or 7 scoreless innings to finish off a complete game. It doesn't work like that for every pitcher, but if there were a better way to differentiate ace's on certain teams, then i'm all for it.

I often times feel like when i'm pitching with a guy like Felix Hernandez, he just doesn't feel dominant enough, as he should in real life. He constantly induces extremely weak contact and swings and misses, just due to how filthy his stuff is. It doesn't seem as though that is the way it is portrayed in the game, as he gets hit as hard as any other pitcher. Similarly, a guy like Brandon Webb should not be giving up as many fly balls as he does. Someone with a dominant sinker should induce ground balls over and over, which is something I just don't see. I even influenced ratings to try and get a more desired result with guys like Webb by jacking up his sinker ratings, and I was still giving up flyball after flyball.

As it is, the Show has the best pitcher/batter showdown of any baseball game I have ever played, and it's not even close. I just wish there was a way to REALLY differentiate pitching styles between guys with different repertoires. If i'm pitching with Felix, I want weak contact more often than not. If i'm pitching with Webb, I want groundballs over and over. If i'm pitching with Josh Beckett, I want off and on dominance (this was actually the case last year with guys that had low H/9 and high K/9 ratings). If i'm pitching with Cliff Lee, I want pinpoint control, but a lot of contact. The Show 10 had a LOT of these things right, but really seperating dominant aces from the rest of the pack would make it so much more meaningful to how the game "felt". The stats I got with aces were reflective of how good they were, but when pitching with them, I never felt confident that I had a very good chance of throwing a gem.

[zippy2212]

you hit the nail on the head for me. My biggest, really only major complaint is the fielding animations. SCEA does a great job to make them look great however I hate when they take over causing you to give up a hit. For me its usually a routine ball to short or third that I start to charge and then the CPU kicks in, stops my player and its a base hit. Happens way too many times. I love scea's animations but they really need to give us complete control so when their is a slow chopper or grounder we can make the correct play on the ball and get the out. And of course I won't even get into the players hugging the wall or taking there sweet time throwing the ball back in after cpu extra base hits.

[Comduklakis]

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yeah the fielding animations are not doing this game any favors. I've about had it with the third baseman. I use the tigers and Brandon Inge has some pretty good range over there. sick and tired of balls going under his glove to his right. I also realize that sometimes the animations don't match up with how the play should result, but it's also frustrating when my OF gets to the ball fast enough to throw out the runner going for two, but because realistically that shouldn't have happened the animation then either makes my OF do a weird shimmy and take forever to throw the ball or the throw has a bizarre lag. And finally the plays at the plate. I could count on one hand the number of guys I've thrown out at the plate in the last two seasons of my franchise (probably played about 160 or so of the games). Every throw is on the 1st base side and it just seems almost impossible to cut down a guy at the plate. Way too many throws way up the line (although that might be me overthrowing or the accuracy of my ofs, but I don't believe so). I'd really like to see the 3b issue fixed and more realistic plays at the plate.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Kearnzo,

Great post, man.

We had some discussion of top tier/mid tier pitchers in here a few months back. I couldn't agree more on adding a bit more differential between aces and number 4 guys.

This goes for the User pitchers, and Cpu pitchers.

Don't get me wrong. When I have killer outings, it's usually with Sabathia, and not Sergio Mitre.

A confidence tweaking could probably address this. SCEA definitely does a wonderful job with the batter/pitcher experience. Like every year, I'm confident they're refining their current system.

[CardsGamer5]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

First of all, I can't help but laugh at the "P/P should be a lined shot every time" argument. That is just absolutely, positively not how it works in real life.

As far as things getting changed, i'd honestly be happy with the animations/results of certain animations being worked on. That was the one thing that ultimately did me in with 10. So many instances of horrid animations resulting in big innings that should have been prevented. I understand that big innings happen all the time off defender miscues, but when I see the same animation of the pitcher taking forever to get a squibber in front of the mound to first base resulting in an infield hit, I get frustrated. The biggest problem is, a play like that has just as much of a negative effect on confidence as a rocket to the gap, resulting in my pitcher completely losing his nerve regardless of how good he is.

I really wish there was a rating that more or less effected how shaken up a pitcher would get after giving up a few hits in a row, or a big home run. A guy like Roy Halladay is not going to start completely missing spots and leave pitches belt high down the middle just because he gave up two singles in a row. Now, a guy like Oliver Perez is going to crumple up into the fetal position in the same situation. If there was a rating that effected how much confidence a pitcher lost depending on certain outcomes, or at least reduce the amount of control a pitcher loses when his confidence drops. We've all seen Roy Halladay have rough starts to games, only to fire off 6 or 7 scoreless innings to finish off a complete game. It doesn't work like that for every pitcher, but if there were a better way to differentiate ace's on certain teams, then i'm all for it.

I often times feel like when i'm pitching with a guy like Felix Hernandez, he just doesn't feel dominant enough, as he should in real life. He constantly induces extremely weak contact and swings and misses, just due to how filthy his stuff is. It doesn't seem as though that is the way it is portrayed in the game, as he gets hit as hard as any other pitcher. Similarly, a guy like Brandon Webb should not be giving up as many fly balls as he does. Someone with a dominant sinker should induce ground balls over and over, which is something I just don't see. I even influenced ratings to try and get a more desired result with guys like Webb by jacking up his sinker ratings, and I was still giving up flyball after flyball.

As it is, the Show has the best pitcher/batter showdown of any baseball game I have ever played, and it's not even close. I just wish there was a way to REALLY differentiate pitching styles between guys with different repertoires. If i'm pitching with Felix, I want weak contact more often than not. If i'm pitching with Webb, I want groundballs over and over. If i'm pitching with Josh Beckett, I want off and on dominance (this was actually the case last year with guys that had low H/9 and high K/9 ratings). If i'm pitching with Cliff Lee, I want pinpoint control, but a lot of contact. The Show 10 had a LOT of these things right, but really seperating dominant aces from the rest of the pack would make it so much more meaningful to how the game "felt". The stats I got with aces were reflective of how good they were, but when pitching with them, I never felt confident that I had a very good chance of throwing a gem.

+1000
That's a perfect post, and has a ton of good points.