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  • Heroesandvillains
    MVP
    • May 2009
    • 5974

    #241
    Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

    Originally posted by Knight165
    Oh...and Player X is....

    A.H.

    M.K.
    Knight165
    Unless this is Aubrey Huff, I am absolutely stumped!

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    • Heroesandvillains
      MVP
      • May 2009
      • 5974

      #242
      Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

      Originally posted by Shakedowncapo
      Show me where I said to have no ratings. I clearly said scrap the portion that makes it hilariously unrealistic.

      Something is wrong when Ryan Howard consistantly hits .300+ in a franchise..The PCI system is flawed in a lot of areas.
      As I've mentioned before, I love the current ratings system, and I love the PCI (now that I get how/why it works).

      But, Shakedowncapo does make one valid point.

      Knight, I'm curious to get your feedback on this too, because you seem to put things in a way that I really understand...

      Am I the only one that thinks something within the power rating can inflate a player's batting average? It's not "ridiculous" by any means, so I don't want any of you to misunderstand what I'm saying.

      Hitting .300 just seems easier with a low contact/high power guy, than it is with a high contact/low power guy.

      No, this isn't scientific...And my stats, all in all, are very balanced and realistic looking. I just think this is something that could be looked at in the future.

      I guess it just seems that high power guys have a leg up in the singles department. Obviously, a hard hit ball is more likely to get through the infield. But, nonetheless, I think the factors that determine batting average could get a tweaking.

      It's no real biggy, though. Just an observation...

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      • Shakedowncapo
        MVP
        • Aug 2002
        • 4031

        #243
        Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

        Saying "best to date" is purely subjective(PYS hitting system easily trumps it, see how easy I can do that?). The only thing we agree on is the actual physics(the way is bounces and plays off grass/turf) of the ball are better in The Show.

        System A: A hitting system solely based off ratings and roll of the computer logic dice. A system where one player could be looking up and and the pitch be down and still smack it out of the park on higher difficulties just because his ratings say he can. In simpler terms, unrealistic and flawed. The SYSTEM THAT DETERMINES THE OUTCOME.

        System B: A hitting system where you're given an actual bat reticule(that varies in size depending on the hitter). A system where if you were to hit the same pitch 100 times in the same spot, at the same time, you would get the same result each time...Just because that's how the game of baseball works. Its not like a certain game where PERFECT/PERFECT = Infield Fly; giving you no information as to why you got under it (because its a flawed computer hitting logic deciding that game).

        Give me the game that lets me dicate the result(s) due to my actual skill against certain pitchers. Not some over-inflated ratings logic that has me hitting 75 HRs in my 7th year of RTTS.

        In short, PYS's hitting outclasses The Shows and it isn't even close. Some people need to stick to what they know best....Like MOM mode.
        Last edited by Shakedowncapo; 11-25-2010, 10:14 PM.

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        • Joey
          Pr*
          • Mar 2004
          • 1836

          #244
          Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

          I think the arguments of how it doesn't matter where you swing on The Show tend to be grossly overexaggerated. I can almost guarantee that if I'm looking for a fastball up and it's a breaking ball, I'm beating it into the ground. Same way for looking down and getting one up in the zone, popup or fly ball.

          Perfect/Perfect doesn't guarantee a HR, nor should it. It only means you made solid contact. Likewise, a batter can, in their minds, "miss" a pitch and still hit it hard as well - even hit it out on occasion. It shouldn't happen all the time, but it doesn't on The Show [unless you're an overexaggerate(r)]. (Did I just make up a word?)

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          • Shakedowncapo
            MVP
            • Aug 2002
            • 4031

            #245
            Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

            I think everyone here understands PERFECT/PERFECT shouldn't always equal a HR...But like I said, it sometime turns into a weak infield fly, which is just ridiculous. There should be three results for that scenario and weak pop fly isn't one of them.

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            • Knight165
              *ll St*r
              • Feb 2003
              • 24964

              #246
              Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

              Originally posted by Shakedowncapo
              Saying "best to date" is purely subjective(PYS hitting system easily trumps it, see how easy I can do that?). The only thing we agree on is the actual physics(the way is bounces and plays off grass/turf) of the ball are better in The Show.

              System A: A hitting system solely based off ratings and roll of the computer logic dice. A system where one player could be looking up and and the pitch be down and still smack it out of the park on higher difficulties just because his ratings say he can. In simpler terms, unrealistic and flawed. The SYSTEM THAT DETERMINES THE OUTCOME.

              System B: A hitting system where you're given an actual bat reticule(that varies in size depending on the hitter). A system where if you were to hit the same pitch 100 times in the same spot, at the same time, you would get the same result each time...Just because that's how the game of baseball works. Its not like a certain game where PERFECT/PERFECT = Infield Fly; giving you no information as to why you got under it (because its a flawed computer hitting logic deciding that game).

              Give me the game that lets me dicate the result(s) due to my actual skill against certain pitchers. Not some over-inflated ratings logic that has me hitting 75 HRs in my 7th year of RTTS.

              In short, PYS's hitting outclasses The Shows and it isn't even close. Some people need to stick to what they know best....Like MOM mode.
              Okay Shake...you're awesome and correct.
              How can I argue with you?
              Enjoy PSY and hitting homers with...Sadah........oh he retired.....sorry....I mean Kevin Mit...no he retired too....ah..you know those guys.

              M.K.
              Knight165
              All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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              • Joey
                Pr*
                • Mar 2004
                • 1836

                #247
                Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

                I'm not so sure "everyone" does.

                Originally posted by Shakedowncapo
                I think everyone here understands PERFECT/PERFECT shouldn't always equal a HR.

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                • Crash Davis
                  Banned
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 1321

                  #248
                  Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

                  Originally posted by Shakedowncapo
                  I think everyone here understands PERFECT/PERFECT shouldn't always equal a HR...But like I said, it sometime turns into a weak infield fly, which is just ridiculous. There should be three results for that scenario and weak pop fly isn't one of them.
                  Agreed, Playing real baseball if square it up "PERFECT/PERFECT" (assuming im pretty sure i know what youre saying with the game) the ball in real life will be executed with brutal force, a line out ok that'll happen a frozen rope that gets snagged thats rough too, but the pop ups sometimes are a bit much in MLB,

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                  • tommyjesus
                    Rookie
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 96

                    #249
                    Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

                    Originally posted by Shakedowncapo
                    I think everyone here understands PERFECT/PERFECT shouldn't always equal a HR...But like I said, it sometime turns into a weak infield fly, which is just ridiculous. There should be three results for that scenario and weak pop fly isn't one of them.
                    totally agree.

                    if you hit the ball with perfect timing and perfect location, there is no way you should get a pop up. it's not possible. you can still hit outs, but it should never be a weak pop up or grounder.

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                    • El_MaYiMbE
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 1427

                      #250
                      Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

                      Originally posted by tommyjesus
                      totally agree.

                      if you hit the ball with perfect timing and perfect location, there is no way you should get a pop up. it's not possible. you can still hit outs, but it should never be a weak pop up or grounder.

                      I think they just need to stop telling us how we did, and let the results be evidence of that. You should not be able to check where your swing was and have text stating your timing. The only way you should be able to see if you were late or early or etc. would be to see replay and see where and how you hit ball (like in real life).

                      I think the response and how is recorded usually fits the way you actually hit ball in game, but it doesn't fit the text and hitters eye circle.

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                      • Scooter3
                        MVP
                        • Nov 2005
                        • 2680

                        #251
                        names

                        I hope SCEA considers adding the following names:


                        FIRST NAMES:


                        Stan
                        Sandy
                        Dutch
                        Kirby
                        Enos
                        Nap
                        Brooks
                        Tippy
                        Storm
                        Milt
                        Sherm
                        Herb
                        Shoeless Joe
                        Bubba
                        Pop Boy
                        Snuffy
                        Chief
                        Yo Yo
                        Rod
                        Audie
                        Gene
                        Rube
                        Rogers
                        Gaylord
                        Kid
                        Cookie
                        Granny
                        Jumbo
                        Eppa
                        Turk
                        Connie
                        Pie
                        Arky
                        Vic
                        Ewell



                        LAST NAMES:


                        Kazanski
                        Luzinski
                        Waner
                        Maranville
                        Gowdy
                        Boozer
                        Warstler
                        Geronimo
                        Cuyler
                        Clemente
                        Traynor
                        Wheat
                        Hershiser
                        Valenzuela
                        Pappas
                        Warstler
                        Lazzerri
                        Gossage
                        Minoso
                        Lollar
                        Appling
                        Colavito
                        Mossi
                        Joss
                        Stirnweiss
                        Coveleski
                        Staub
                        Lolich
                        Davalillo
                        Canseco
                        Campaneris



                        scooter...

                        P.S.

                        Please combine first & last names to one list on the name database that can be used for both first or last names on our created players. Many names overlap.


                        Incorporate all active Players names to the database and all Legendary players names
                        "The More The Merrier"


                        Thanks,
                        scooter...
                        Last edited by Scooter3; 11-27-2010, 11:42 AM.
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                        • Heroesandvillains
                          MVP
                          • May 2009
                          • 5974

                          #252
                          Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

                          Originally posted by Shakedowncapo
                          I think everyone here understands PERFECT/PERFECT shouldn't always equal a HR...But like I said, it sometime turns into a weak infield fly, which is just ridiculous. There should be three results for that scenario and weak pop fly isn't one of them.
                          An argument like this only makes sense if the bat and ball were the only two factors in determining hits/outs.

                          Player ability (ratings), wind velocity, pitch movement (ratings), and the 8 men in the field that want nothing more than to record an out have to be considered.

                          A PERFECT/PERFECT, you have to agree here, is going to be different with Brett Garndner and Albert Pujols.

                          Their has to be an underlying variable (pitcher confidence, batter hot/cold, pitch ratings, hot cold hitters zones) to keep simply mastering the PCI from turning all players into the same person, and all games 13 hit slugfests.

                          I personally don't always want to be rewarded for good timing.

                          Real baseball generally yields 1 homerun, 2 doubles, and 9 hits per team per game. It seems to me that some video game enthusiasts either (a.) don't know this, or (b.) don't care to experience this.

                          This is completely okay. But for those of us that like to re-create real to life averages, I'd prefer SCEA keeps things close to where they're currently at.

                          I love seeing Nick Swisher hit .250 for me! Yeah, it's frustrating sometimes when I got the pitch I was looking for, but that's baseball!...

                          Regardless of what the timing says.

                          I'm a Yankees fan. I couldn't tell you how often after a real life game, when Susan Waldman interviews a struggling hitter and the player says something similar to:

                          "Kevin Long and I have spent extra time in the cage, and we feel like my swing is good, and that I'm picking up the ball well. We know eventually, if I continue doing what I'm doing, those balls are gonna get through."

                          The Show replicates this extraordinarily well, in my opinion. Not all, heck; not even most well hit balls are hits.

                          And during a real life game, how many pop ups to the infield is there?

                          In the games I watch: A ton.

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                          • countryboy
                            Growing pains
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 52704

                            #253
                            Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

                            I love arguments about how ratings do/don't work properly.
                            I can't shave with my eyes closed, meaning each day I have to look at myself in the mirror and respect who I see.

                            I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


                            Louisville Cardinals/St.Louis Cardinals

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                            • MLB01
                              Banned
                              • May 2010
                              • 537

                              #254
                              Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

                              Originally posted by BrownsFan72
                              How about Online actually working correctly for once. Disgrace how bad the online has always been.
                              Be more specific cause I play against my brother online a lot and it's always a great experience.

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                              • MLB01
                                Banned
                                • May 2010
                                • 537

                                #255
                                Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

                                Originally posted by Shakedowncapo
                                System B: A hitting system where you're given an actual bat reticule(that varies in size depending on the hitter). A system where if you were to hit the same pitch 100 times in the same spot, at the same time, you would get the same result each time...Just because that's how the game of baseball works. Its not like a certain game where PERFECT/PERFECT = Infield Fly; giving you no information as to why you got under it (because its a flawed computer hitting logic deciding that game).

                                In short, PYS's hitting outclasses The Shows and it isn't even close. Some people need to stick to what they know best....Like MOM mode.
                                I like PYS's hitting style, but what I put in bold is just not how the game of baseball works, man. Physics isn't like that when one rounded object ( the bat ) hits another round object ( the ball ).

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