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  • slyfox
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    • Sep 2003
    • 232

    #136
    Re: Diamond Dynasty speculation

    I would think some of the previous community day participants 'might' have a little insight into this mode. They may not even realize it yet. At some point the devs may have mentioned certain things/features they were working on in previous versions but hadn't yet implemented....even if they didn't identify them as 'Diamond Dynasty' mode. Knight could be holding out on us....surely he has enough 'inside info' to formulate a theory as to what this mode could be.

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    • nomo17k
      Permanently Banned
      • Feb 2011
      • 5735

      #137
      Re: Diamond Dynasty speculation

      Originally posted by slyfox
      I would think some of the previous community day participants 'might' have a little insight into this mode. They may not even realize it yet. At some point the devs may have mentioned certain things/features they were working on in previous versions but hadn't yet implemented....even if they didn't identify them as 'Diamond Dynasty' mode. Knight could be holding out on us....surely he has enough 'inside info' to formulate a theory as to what this mode could be.
      There's always this NDA thing...
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      • slyfox
        Rookie
        • Sep 2003
        • 232

        #138
        Re: Diamond Dynasty speculation

        Originally posted by nomo17k
        There's always this NDA thing...
        Ah, yes.....never even thought of that.

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        • Knight165
          *ll St*r
          • Feb 2003
          • 24964

          #139
          Re: Diamond Dynasty speculation

          In my best Sgt. Schultz voice(I'm dating myself here....Hogan's Heroes for those who have no idea)...

          "I know nothink!!!!nothink!!(German accent)

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          • Pared
            Legen - WAIT FOR IT
            • Feb 2003
            • 39337

            #140
            Re: Diamond Dynasty speculation

            Originally posted by slyfox
            They may not even realize it yet.
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            • Armor and Sword
              The Lama
              • Sep 2010
              • 21794

              #141
              Re: Diamond Dynasty speculation

              The suspense is killing me.
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              • JoeCoolMan24
                MVP
                • Jul 2005
                • 1255

                #142
                Re: Diamond Dynasty speculation

                I honestly can't help but think this is not going to be a major feature, or a game changing idea. I think if it was such a huge thing, they would have been bringing it up a lot more in interviews and media stories. The only announcement we have seen has been from that interview Ramone did, right? I would think in every interview we would hear about this mysterious new mode that have been 4-years in the process. It's just weird how little it has been mentioned if it's truly going to be groundbreaking.

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                • Blzer
                  Resident film pundit
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 42520

                  #143
                  Re: Diamond Dynasty speculation

                  Originally posted by JoeCoolMan24
                  I honestly can't help but think this is not going to be a major feature, or a game changing idea. I think if it was such a huge thing, they would have been bringing it up a lot more in interviews and media stories. The only announcement we have seen has been from that interview Ramone did, right? I would think in every interview we would hear about this mysterious new mode that have been 4-years in the process. It's just weird how little it has been mentioned if it's truly going to be groundbreaking.
                  I don't want to get into semantics, but I don't think anybody ever said that it was going to be groundbreaking. That doesn't mean it won't be novelty.
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                  • nomo17k
                    Permanently Banned
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 5735

                    #144
                    Re: Diamond Dynasty speculation

                    Originally posted by Blzer
                    I don't want to get into semantics, but I don't think anybody ever said that it was going to be groundbreaking. That doesn't mean it won't be novelty.
                    But from the way Ramone implied things, it is going to be at least Earth-shattering though perhaps not ground-breaking.

                    Whether you should be playing PS3 while Earth gets shattered depends on how much of a gamer you are...



                    The word dynasty certainly makes us think of some sort of team-oriented, franchise-related feature, but just about anything in these areas have been covered by some games it seems... so I'm thinking it must be something that, after revealed, everyone goes "why have people never thought about that!?" RTTS plus franchise?? Some sport games have covered that as well, it appears...
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                    • Blzer
                      Resident film pundit
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 42520

                      #145
                      Re: Diamond Dynasty speculation

                      Well, not to make it sound like I'm tooting my own horn or anything, but the most recent idea that I came up with just might be that be that kind of mode in that it will get a heck of a lot of playing time.

                      If you can get a mode that challenges people to not only win so they accumulate new players, but also win so that you make sure you don't lose your best players (remember, you lose them for good in that you cannot win them back), I can't think of a bigger incentive for showing off your "skills" by what kind of team you have, both with in-game skill and managerial skill (choosing the right guys, etc).

                      Essentially, if my speculating on what Diamond Dynasty isn't actually what it is, I can see this kind of mode being used in sports video games regardless. It seems like the right kind of competition that we would love to have, either online or offline.
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                      • EnigmaNemesis
                        Animal Liberation
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 12216

                        #146
                        Ramone never implied "earth shattering" or "ground breaking".

                        You guys are getting yourselves all hyped up, and now putting words and escalating things said.

                        Just saying, because if it is something you may not care for, you don't need to finger point at him, when all everyone is doing is over-speculating.

                        Things have marketing and legal timelines for a reason. Patience. February is a short 2 weeks away.

                        We do not have to go into "negative" reasons as to why it is not talked about yet. Your average gamer is not even thinking baseball at the moment. Pitchers and catchers have yet to report.
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                        • nomo17k
                          Permanently Banned
                          • Feb 2011
                          • 5735

                          #147
                          Re: Diamond Dynasty speculation

                          Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis
                          Ramone never implied "earth shattering" or "ground breaking".

                          You guys are getting yourselves all hyped up, and now putting words and escalating things said.

                          Just saying, because if it is something you may not care for, you don't need to finger point at him, when all everyone is doing is over-speculating.

                          Things have marketing and legal timelines for a reason. Patience. February is a short 2 weeks away.
                          Oh no, I was just joking about the wording... guess I have to start using icons again... text-only just looks so serious i guess..



                          and I'm just speculating for the enjoyment of speculating. I have no intention of accusing of anyone if the mode is not something to hyped up for... unless it's simulation-oriented mode, I probably won't spend too much time on it anyways...
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                          • nomo17k
                            Permanently Banned
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 5735

                            #148
                            Re: Diamond Dynasty speculation

                            Originally posted by Blzer
                            Another wild idea, but would be kind of cool as well:

                            So you start off by creating a team (yes, they give you the option to actually create a team, maybe with a generic logo and stadium and stuff) and you draft/are given a random pool of either generic or pretty poor players.

                            Through playing games (let's say it's online), you earn credits/cash. You spend what you earn to buy MLB players of your choice (assuming you can afford them). Players that are extremely good will obviously cost a lot of money. Eventually some online users will get these guys, and this is important for the next part of this mode...

                            Here's the big kicker: any time that you beat a team, you may now choose to take a player from their team, any player that you would like, and you will now give them one of your players. Now your team is assumed to be a bit more bolstered, and their team will be that much worse.

                            Here are the little catches of the player selection, though:

                            - If both of you have the same player (say you both have Jay Bruce), you cannot take another of that same [Jay Bruce] player for your team. You also cannot give your opponent that player if he already has him.

                            - If you have already had a player taken away from your team (not given away, big difference), you cannot ever take that player for your team again (not be given, big difference lol). So let's use Bruce again. Say that you lose a game, and that guy opts to take Jay Bruce off your team and gives you Edgar Gonzalez. If you ever played that guy again (or someone else who has faced a similar scenario) and you win, you are not allowed to claim Jay Bruce back on your team anymore. Likewise, if they beat you again, they are allowed to take back Edgar Gonzalez if they want to, because they gave him away, he wasn't taken away. They are even allowed to give you back Jay Bruce (you just can't take him yourself)... though that probably isn't the best idea haha.

                            The reason for the first ordeal is obvious, and the reason for the second one is almost as simple: it makes you think twice about what players you want for your team early on when you're trying to win ball games. If you are a crap team but beat a team that has Alex Rodriguez and then decide to take him, you have to remember that you're still a crap team... so now if you lose, you'll be in some trouble, because somebody else might take him away from your team, and now you can't have him anymore. You also aren't allowed to purchase him.

                            I'm thinking we can make exception to this somehow, like maybe you can purchase them if you pay twice their value, or maybe every day there is a pool of five players or so that they'll let you re-purchase, but just for those 24 hours.

                            Anyway, eventually you start building up a dynasty with your team, but you just have to be careful not to lose.

                            The second way this could go is that you can start off with whatever MLB team that you want, and same rules apply. Of course, if you choose somebody like the Red Sox, once you lose and Adrian Gonzalez is taken from your team, you can't get him back again.

                            I don't know why this would necessarily take four years to design, but this certainly is competitive, intuitive, and a whole new way to play the game (not the game itself, but it takes on a whole new meaning), and it's something that no sports game has ever done before. It could also work offline, but the AI would have to be pretty smart. I suppose that's worth four years of development right there.
                            This is an interesting idea, but there might be a couple things that could go wrong.

                            (1) As you noted, against CPU, trading AI must be good enough to be enjoyable... and trading players to build a dynasty is essentially similar to what you do with the regular franchise mode, so not sure if such a new mode can stand out.

                            (2) Where I see such a mode can be enjoyable is online... However, online, game balance may become an issue. You suggest a couple restrictions on trading players, but not sure if that end up working well. When you play online, a vast majority of gamers choose a small set of teams (like the Yanks, BoSox) and players (they usually only use aces on the mound). So the entire roster (that is, the collection of all players in the mode) can end up consisting a lot of the same players and a smaller number of various other players. So there might be situations where reasonable transactions cannot be made. If all players are generic with no conflicts, this is a mute point but I presume most gamers want to use existing MLB players if available.

                            Again, I'm just speculating for the sake of speculating, just because I just don't know and am curious about what new way you can enjoy baseball, haha.
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                            • EnigmaNemesis
                              Animal Liberation
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 12216

                              #149
                              Originally posted by nomo17k
                              Oh no, I was just joking about the wording... guess I have to start using icons again... text-only just looks so serious i guess..



                              and I'm just speculating for the enjoyment of speculating. I have no intention of accusing of anyone if the mode is not something to hyped up for... unless it's simulation-oriented mode, I probably won't spend too much time on it anyways...
                              Gotcha.

                              Just don't want anyone getting all doom and gloom when it is so close for their info to be rolling out.

                              Exciting times!
                              Boston Red Sox | Miami Dolphins

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                              • aldon_47
                                Rookie
                                • Jun 2010
                                • 117

                                #150
                                Re: Diamond Dynasty speculation

                                Originally posted by Knight165
                                In my best Sgt. Schultz voice(I'm dating myself here....Hogan's Heroes for those who have no idea)...

                                "I know nothink!!!!nothink!!(German accent)

                                M.K.
                                Knight165
                                Jolly joker!!!
                                I have all 6 seasons on dvd, Im a Hogans Heroes nerd!


                                As far as the new game mode goes, maybe something involving college players/prospects?

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